Ilektrycity wrote:

Well i want to know whether my Osu! skills are good, bad or could be better after one year playing Osu!.

Ilektrycity wrote:

Hey Osu! community *_*
Well i want to know whether my Osu! skills are good, bad or could be better after one year playing Osu!.
At the moment my best performances are based on Hard + DT (+HD,HR).
I also can play Beatmaps till 5 stars...but not with full combo.

To show my skills, i uploaded some videos at Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC30_11 ... L3g/videos

You can find there for example "Renard - I love my internet friends" +DT

You could allso check my Osu! profile to check my skills.

Please show me your skills too and post videos or Pictures/Screenshots :3 Am really interessted in other players :3

I hope you can answer my Question <3 Thanks for your attention <3

~Ilektrycity

B1rd wrote:

if you want someone to tell you, you're not good.

DJPuzzle wrote:

B1rd wrote:

if you want someone to tell you, you're not good.

I disagree entirely.
Being skilled is a relative matter anyways, so your post is pointless.

sukiNathan wrote:

Well nobody is considered good until they reach like top 100 Lol

B1rd wrote:

Relative to other people, your skills are bad.

Pointless? You asked for 'thoughts', didn't you? I guess you were just fishing for compliments.

DJPuzzle wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Relative to other people, your skills are bad.

Pointless? You asked for 'thoughts', didn't you? I guess you were just fishing for compliments.

Relative to whom? That's the point, isn't it? It's pretty obvious that I'm not even close to the best players. I want to know where I stand. Your post provided absolutely no useful information.

B1rd wrote:

d to be judged by, so you can't just then go on to say that my answer was 'pointless' or 'provides no useful information'. I gave an answer based on what the community views as good. It seems you're looking to be judged on some abstract idea based on an 'average osu! player', which doesn't exist. If you want to know how good you are 'relative to most people', well, there's apparently 5.2 million osu! users, and you are rank 35K. Well done.

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DJPuzzle wrote:

It was not at all useful because 1. I disagree entirely with what you said because of cognitive bias. specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2 ... ger_effect
2. Because skill is relative

B1rd wrote:

you're saying that there's some 'cognitive bias' affecting my judgement?

DJPuzzle wrote:

B1rd wrote:

d to be judged by, so you can't just then go on to say that my answer was 'pointless' or 'provides no useful information'. I gave an answer based on what the community views as good. It seems you're looking to be judged on some abstract idea based on an 'average osu! player', which doesn't exist. If you want to know how good you are 'relative to most people', well, there's apparently 5.2 million osu! users, and you are rank 35K. Well done.

It was not at all useful because 1. I disagree entirely with what you said because of cognitive bias. specifically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2 ... ger_effect
2. Because skill is relative, and I'd figure it was entirely obvious that I was not at all good compared to actual good players. Believe it or not, I have watched replays of people at number 1, and the blow me out of the water. Huh. Who would have thought.
Also, how is having an average player an abstract idea? You have people of all skills spanning a certain range, some falling into certain skill categories of others. You do the math on their skill, and you get an average - people in literally EVERY game ever tend to cluster towards a certain skill range.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/League_system majority of players sit at bronze
http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/League_%28StarCraft_II%29 relative majority of players sit at gold - starcraft is weighted specifically so that the majority of players don't cluster up
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/15955974/hearthside-chat-youre-better-than-you-think-9-18-2014?abt=nav1&utm_expid=68589644-24.yOgsCsWhSz-gOSDIbl82Wg.1&utm_referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F vast majority of players sit at rank 16 or under

is it really that abstract for me to think that there is an average skill then? Like I said, I'm new to the community. Even if there isn't (there is) then could I be blamed for that?

As for the 5 million players rank 35k:

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135k ranked plays on one of the default maps for the game. doesn't seem like that number is a very accurate representation of the active community
Beyond that, 90% of the people I see on the forums have a higher rank in Osu than me, so my view is a bit skewed. And PP seems to be widely regarded as NOT a very good determining factor of skill anyways... hence why I posted videos to show my actual skill.
Edit: Granted you did give me your opinion. I apologize for the disagreement.

DJPuzzle wrote:

B1rd wrote:

you're saying that there's some 'cognitive bias' affecting my judgement?

nono. I was simply saying that I disagreed with you BECAUSE people have cognitive bias. That one in particular (Dunning-Kruger effect) says that people who are skilled tend to think they're not and people who aren't tend to think they are - you where saying if I was asking, I couldn't be good. I disagree because that Wikipedia article implies that if I was good, I would think I was bad - obviously I'm aware of the article and that changes things, but I think your statement was too general.

I can agree with everything else you're saying. I really don't know if there is an average skill for players or not, so I certainly won't disagree. Obviously there is a mathematical average; but that's not really realistic and honestly semantics at that point.

cheezstik wrote:

Just think of it this way, if the average person is bad, and you aren't as bad, does that make you good? Sure, you can bring up all this stuff about how the average player is bad, even in league (Where the average player is actually high silver, not bronze I'm pretty sure) if you are gold, just because you are above average, does that make you good at league? Cos I know what I think about gold. Not trying to look down on you, just FYI, I also don't view myself as a good player.

Riince wrote:

That's not as problematic in osu, bad players know theyre bad and good players think theyre bad, pretty much noone thinks theyre good in this game unless they shut their eyes and ears and live in their own little world.

DJPuzzle wrote:

cheezstik wrote:

Just think of it this way, if the average person is bad, and you aren't as bad, does that make you good? Sure, you can bring up all this stuff about how the average player is bad, even in league (Where the average player is actually high silver, not bronze I'm pretty sure) if you are gold, just because you are above average, does that make you good at league? Cos I know what I think about gold. Not trying to look down on you, just FYI, I also don't view myself as a good player.

Well, I mean. I don't want to keep bringing this topic up, but. The points kind of was, that the average player isn't bad. They're... average. Just because you're bronze in league doesn't really mean you're bad if everyone else is the same level as you. Well, it could, it depends how you look at it.

cheezstik wrote:

DJPuzzle wrote:

Did you ever think that average could mean bad? Like I said before, you would sound kinda odd to most people saying that you think gold is good, even if it is above average. Just because everyone else is committing crime, doesn't make it ok for you to commit crime, it is still bad, the average person doing so doesn't make it not bad, it just means that more people are doing it (Not saying being bad at osu is committing a crime lol, don't get the wrong message, just using an analogy).

DJPuzzle wrote:

Nah, I understand, it makes sense. You have a point. But I'm going to keep my ground on the "It depends on how you look at it" opinion because we could argue all day back and fourth about where and how you should judge things like skill and I don't think it'd get anywhere - I think saying the average person is good is as correct as saying the average person is bad, funnily enough.

Riince wrote:

in league terms, diamond 1 50 LP+ is probably where 'good' starts, since considering inflation thats probably around where people are around 1900 hidden elo. the inflation that goes on behind the scenes is quite frankly disgusting, because i kept track of my elo after they hid it after preseason 3, 1867 elo got me initially in plat IV, fine, but when i had lost way more than id won and my elo was down to around 1600 taking an average -/+ 13 per game and factoring in my comparative winloss, i was in plat 1 gaining more LP than i lost per game and barely even clamping, which meant s3 diamond starts at around where old low gold was in season 2. That system is beyond fucked and noone should take it seriously

/off topic rant

Poofie wrote:

For one year progress, you are doing fine ^^

Just keep practicing but don't focus mainly on DT, play HDHR or HR :3 That way your reaction speed and muscle memory increase faster.

Railgyun wrote:

pls enjoy game.

DJPuzzle wrote:

B1rd wrote:

if you want someone to tell you, you're not good.

I disagree entirely.
Being skilled is a relative matter anyways, so your post is pointless.

DJPuzzle wrote:

Riince wrote:

in league terms, diamond 1 50 LP+ is probably where 'good' starts, since considering inflation thats probably around where people are around 1900 hidden elo. the inflation that goes on behind the scenes is quite frankly disgusting, because i kept track of my elo after they hid it after preseason 3, 1867 elo got me initially in plat IV, fine, but when i had lost way more than id won and my elo was down to around 1600 taking an average -/+ 13 per game and factoring in my comparative winloss, i was in plat 1 gaining more LP than i lost per game and barely even clamping, which meant s3 diamond starts at around where old low gold was in season 2. That system is beyond fucked and noone should take it seriously

/off topic rant

wait wat are you serious
That can't be right o.o

Maus wrote:

You're fine just play more. It doesn't matter when you started playing, just the play count counts.