[Disqualified] Conchita Wurst - Rise Like A Phoenix [O|T|C] · forum

Lanturn

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Lanturn 2014-11-14T16:57:55+00:00

Standard / Taiko / Catch the Beat / Timing

Map Link: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/174240
Thread Link: t/208204

Reason for Unqualify:

OnosakiHito wrote:
Reason for Disqualification

Disqualified for quality concerns in the Taiko difficulties.
- (Oni) Overlaps due to SV / timing changes ( 00:48:098 - )
- (Oni) Sudden speedups which are not supported by anything ( 01:23:801 - )
- (Oni) Unfitting barlines or odd movements of notes ( 01:31:860 - )
- (Muzukashii) Wrong snapped kiai ( 00:57:124 - )
- (Muzukashii) 1/8 sliders ( 01:41:959 (211) - )
Taiko Criteria Wrote wrote:
Drumrolls (Sliders)

Use sparingly within a map and keep a 1/2 beat space between them and any other object. Avoid using sliders for 125 BPM songs or lower (as the ticks change to 1/8) unless the music calls for it. Use a tick rate of 3 if the song self is snapped on 1/3.
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Most of the problems are due to odd BPM but also because of odd use of inherited timing sections. Beside that, the general SV doesn't fit in the Oni with 2.2. Atm the scrollspeed is really insane - in some parts as if it is an converted osu difficulty. Intention by mapper was probably to rise it due to low BPM but didn't work here really well. In Muzu it's also questionable if 1.6 really fits here, but I will check that later.

And before everyone wents po pi po:
BPM in general is really questionable as well, so the disqualification doesn't lie only on Taiko. Having 3 colums after , is rather questionable and makes Taiko mapping not easier. Odd timing changes requier odd inherited timlines which make the scrollspeed look really messy and hard to fix. Timing concerns will be discussed in team.

Sorry for not giving longer explanations, but I'm in hurry right now. I will do it later once again and give some timing fixes / suggestions later, so it is better understandable.

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I've looked at the standard, but the timing seems a bit questionable on my end as well as Ono has said. We also need a CtB BAT to re-check this afterwards for re-qualfiy.

OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2014-11-15T00:24:47+00:00

Let's use this forum in a proper way, shall we?

So, I'm trying at the moment to get some proper timing in this set, yet, I must admit, it is really hard to get a well fitting and approximately right timing. So far I got something which can be maybe worked with, but it needs to be refined and checked before it can be used for ranking.

In this case, opinions and help is requiered to have a timing which can be approved. This is what I got so far:

[TimingPoints]
1278,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0
48107,722.89156626506,4,1,0,55,1,0
59673,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0
61136,750,4,1,0,55,1,0
62636,833.333333333333,4,1,0,55,1,0
64302,923.076923076923,4,1,0,55,1,0
66310,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0
78017,722.89156626506,4,1,0,55,1,0
93648,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0
96574,750,4,1,0,55,1,0
97324,937.5,4,1,0,55,1,0
98261,1034.48275862069,4,1,0,55,1,0

Since the drummer is the one who gives the tact / timing / metronom in a song, I followed this princip here as well. Please note following:
At 01:29:583 - Is no timing given yet.
And 01:33:648 - hasn't been refinined and checked once again by me.
But 00:59:673 - should work better now.

Gonna wait for help here. Yet, let me remind that this is the BAT forum. Hence, this should be handled mainly by BATs. I'm just support at this point.

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Lanturn

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Lanturn 2014-11-15T03:40:14+00:00

I probably shouldn't be attempting timing, but I tried out the timing you had Ono and noticed that it gets off at around 00:10:038 - for one measure.

I'm not certain on the offset, but it seems like the BPM doesn't change:

Try adding this in and let me know what you guys think. It might need to be adjusted due to my poor timing skills though.

10041,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0
12985,731.707317073171,4,1,0,55,1,0

Myxo

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Myxo 2014-11-15T08:26:08+00:00

I'd try to help here, but honestly I think the old timing was correct and the new one is off at most parts where the old one included more red sections...
It would have been nice if someone could have pointed out something that was off in old timing or something similar except just saying that it's wrong, because I know that a few people confirmed and improved the timing after I made it (long time ago) and it seemed to be fine.

For the new one, some parts of the chorus are definitely off, most extreme is 01:17:285 -
The beginning sounds a bit weird too but that might be cause I was used to the old timing.

Good luck fixing this >< I hope you can make it perfect

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TicClick 2014-11-15T08:37:42+00:00

Once again, Ono, could you please stop forcing unnecessary timing change? What you're trying to post is incorrect and gives mistimed hits; it's noticeable even without testing after 00:55:335.

You can time spinner to whatever you want, because it doesn't affect standard gameplay at all, but please ensure that the rest of hit objects are on spot before posting.

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OnosakiHito

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OnosakiHito 2014-11-15T11:55:44+00:00

At this point you misunderstood me TicClick. I didn't disqualify for timing issues as you can see in my disqualify post. I'm here to mention it and get confirmation about it. I do not force anyone here. It's just important for me to stay in contact with you guys to prevent doing wrong moves. That's my main intention here.

If you say the timing is fine and many other people can confirm that, that's absolutely fine. But currently, I do not believe it is. Having such odd timings is rather questionable to me.
And as I said, in Taiko this brings up more problems than benefits. Odd timings requier odd inherited timelines.

And let me once again mention that I timed to the drummer in the background. Not the vocalist, even though the osu-mapper mapped to the vocal. Yet, to me it seems like it fits even with the vocalist.

Maybe Charles can help at this point.
Maybe it's more an offset problem.

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Stefan

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Stefan 2014-11-29T08:17:39+00:00

Could this finally be checked by a highly experienced user in puncto Timing? I want to fix the issues into my Difficulty but still waiting for confirmation..