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[New Rule] Volume changes (Taiko)

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Wafu
Inherited sections which change the volume must be placed before the note which is supposed to have different volume to ensure the volume will apply if the player plays the note earlier or later. Kiai might be still snapped on the note, but if it changes volume, you have to put additional inherited section with same volume before the note.
This is quite an important thing. There are songs where the volume change fits, but if it is exactly on the note, player can play it even just -1ms earlier and this will cause that game will use the volume before the note, because the time has't passed the line on the certain note which should have been muted. Because of this, the intherited section should be earlier than the note that should have volume changed, at least with such gap so the volume change will apply if he hits a note - if he clicks so late or early so he misses the note, there does not have guarantee of the right volume - player is not supposed to play on this place. Basically the 1/4 gap between the note and inherited section is mostly enough. This does not that strictly apply to steams, since you cannot make enough big gap.

I think this should definitely be considered, let's see if this can mve forward. For case it is confusing, feel free to ask. Thanks
OnosakiHito
This rule already applies to Taiko because it is an overall rule. I don't understand what your point is since you only explained the rule above.
Topic Starter
Wafu

OnosakiHito wrote:

This rule already applies to Taiko because it is an overall rule. I don't understand what your point is since you only explained the rule above.
It is not an overall rule and it never was even a rule. I will try to catch you in-game so I can explain it better. It was probably a lot confusing.

Solved, just a confusion because I used quote for Ranking Criteria, my apologizes.
OnosakiHito
I'm not sure if this is so important, but maybe for the completeness of the Taiko Rules this might be not bad. At least as guideline, since there are cases were a single inherited timeline has more functions than only volume changes. Opinions?
Lust
Bump. Giving this a week before I either bubble or flame this. Please continue to discuss!
OnosakiHito
I don't think afterall that this is needed. It could be an addition into some guide, but not guideline or rule. This is up to the mapper and has just small influence in mapping / playing itself.
Topic Starter
Wafu

OnosakiHito wrote:

I don't think afterall that this is needed. It could be an addition into some guide, but not guideline or rule. This is up to the mapper and has just small influence in mapping / playing itself.
Influence on playing depends on how many volume changes are here. But well, it is too complicated for a rule or guideline and would be useful only if mapper used many volume changes or custom hitsounds, which seems to be really rare in taiko mapping as far as I know. Moreover, I should rather consider to make a feature request, that would actually make notes that are hit to actually use the settings from timing point that is on or before it. I think this is much better idea than avoiding wrong volumes and hitsounds by forcing people to follow another rule.

I'm not the one to decide, but as it was my idea, I can admit we don't need more discussion and this can be flamed. :)
Shohei Ohtani

Lust wrote:

Bump. Giving this a week before I either bubble or flame this. Please continue to discuss!
Redon
Topic Starter
Wafu
It is only Taiko issue indeed. And I already said I will make a feature request in my last post.
Raiden
Well in my maps and mods I've done, the volume change inherits were placed on top of the notes, and that note which had the inherit on top DID have different volume, both in Edit and Test mode. So I don't think there is any problem with this...
Topic Starter
Wafu
Yes, but if you click it earlier than you are supposed to, it is using previous volume. Also posted a request in feature requests t/358485
Myxo
With the change of how the Ranking Criteria Subforum works from now on, topics like these are obsolete.
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