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Wow I guess reverse psychology actually does work :^)Garven wrote:
I didnt care before, but now its quite tempting. Thanks for.the heads up, Woddles.Woddles wrote:
garven dont you dare
Index was ranked 4th 50% the way through the map. Crazy 
Will every map with difficulty curve so broken be ranked in the future?
I don't know what the glorious pp algorithm may say, but for players who are skilled enough for this map the 5-circled extraordinarily spaced streams are the worst while the rest is relatively easy.
00:45:145 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - In case you didn't know what part it is. (I put aside the fact that it's ctrl+c'd ctrl+v'd later)
Perhaps mappers and some average players won't notice it, but the angle at which these streams are shaped is totally unnatural and incredibly uncomfortable. The best thing one could do is to imagine how the cursor would have to move. Is this playable? Yeah, once in 30 tries
This applies to 100% of the said players, making the map look like this: (yes, index and hvick included)
EZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZZzZzZzZzZzZzZ-HARD-FUCKMYLIFE5X
You simply play a map casually and out of sudden you miss in a calm part of the song because fk you.
I was pretty sure it was established that difficult parts in a map should appear when the part's music is intense, the only intense parts are chorus (which is among the easiest parts) and the very end (fair enough, it's hard as it should be). This map throws away any possible logic when it comes to mapping-for-gameplay. I'm aware gameplay no longer is taken into account though. This map is a piece ofcopypaste art and should remain like that.... in graveyard. It is somehow fun because of the streams, it is a great warm-up, but ranking a map where luck is required the most in order to get a full combo is unnecessary. I could even say it's plain wrong. Ranking introduces some kind of competition, but the competition in this case is as fair as watermelon splitting contest.
I don't see this map being unqualified, this post is to show my (and not only) opinion about this map and perhaps some others which have been ranked recently. We saw a deluge of some very difficult maps ranked quite comfortably in quick successions. But nobody bothers... if the spacing is right, overmap isn't visible and it looks okay - go ranked mate! This is something that rarely (if ever) happened 1 year ago. What I'd like to ask is to put more heart into such maps and possibly cooperate with more over-average players. Call me an elitist, but I can't possibly trust that 6+ star should be ranked so easily when among beatmap nominators there are less than 5 capable players (who would at least pass this map here, for instance).
Thank you and start mapping HW, stop copypaste
I don't know what the glorious pp algorithm may say, but for players who are skilled enough for this map the 5-circled extraordinarily spaced streams are the worst while the rest is relatively easy.
00:45:145 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5) - In case you didn't know what part it is. (I put aside the fact that it's ctrl+c'd ctrl+v'd later)
Perhaps mappers and some average players won't notice it, but the angle at which these streams are shaped is totally unnatural and incredibly uncomfortable. The best thing one could do is to imagine how the cursor would have to move. Is this playable? Yeah, once in 30 tries
This applies to 100% of the said players, making the map look like this: (yes, index and hvick included)
EZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZZzZzZzZzZzZzZ-HARD-FUCKMYLIFE5X
You simply play a map casually and out of sudden you miss in a calm part of the song because fk you.
I was pretty sure it was established that difficult parts in a map should appear when the part's music is intense, the only intense parts are chorus (which is among the easiest parts) and the very end (fair enough, it's hard as it should be). This map throws away any possible logic when it comes to mapping-for-gameplay. I'm aware gameplay no longer is taken into account though. This map is a piece of
I don't see this map being unqualified, this post is to show my (and not only) opinion about this map and perhaps some others which have been ranked recently. We saw a deluge of some very difficult maps ranked quite comfortably in quick successions. But nobody bothers... if the spacing is right, overmap isn't visible and it looks okay - go ranked mate! This is something that rarely (if ever) happened 1 year ago. What I'd like to ask is to put more heart into such maps and possibly cooperate with more over-average players. Call me an elitist, but I can't possibly trust that 6+ star should be ranked so easily when among beatmap nominators there are less than 5 capable players (who would at least pass this map here, for instance).
Thank you and start mapping HW, stop copypaste
AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
Thank you and start mapping HW, stop copypaste
Amai, you don't need to play it if you don't like it or are unable to FC it.
This is a map that many many people really like and wanted to be ranked, even when they know they can't pass it. This is a game, and games are played for the enjoyment. If you can't FC it, then so what? Lower difficulties can be made. Rhythm games should always have crazy hard maps.
This is a map that many many people really like and wanted to be ranked, even when they know they can't pass it. This is a game, and games are played for the enjoyment. If you can't FC it, then so what? Lower difficulties can be made. Rhythm games should always have crazy hard maps.
I saw this kind of post comingAsh Marley wrote:
Amai, you don't need to play it if you don't like it or are unable to FC it.
This is a map that many many people really like and wanted to be ranked, even when they know they can't pass it. This is a game, and games are played for the enjoyment. If you can't FC it, then so what? Lower difficulties can be made. Rhythm games should always have crazy hard maps.
How can you like a map you can't play? Maps are for playing, not for admiring. Maps are not (supposed to be) ranked because they look nice. Plus there are some rules governing the ranking procedure and I can see dozens of maps which are of better quality yet they are not ranked. If you took your time and read my post, you would've understood that it's not the "difficulty" itself that is the problem. It's the difficulty curve and the kind of pattern which makes this map TROLL, not difficult. Without the said pattern it wouldn't fall below 6.5 stars. I'm strongly against maps which are ranked because hype.... hype led by people who know nothing about the game and mapping. This is like gov election. It seems that you did NOT read my post carefully, so let me quote myself.
this post is to show my (and not only) opinion about this map and perhaps some others which have been ranked recently.saying the constantly-repeated "if you don't like it, don't do it" phrase is out of place.
Uhh, "don't read my criticism if you're unable to acknowledge it"
I hereby demand Elementalia and Big Prizes ranked.
It's playable, and it's not impossible. It doesn't need to be FCable by everyone, since other difficulties can be made. I'd understand if parts of the maps required a hundred taps per second, making it impossible. I'd understand if it's physically impossible to move the cursor fast enough on a section. It does seem out of place at parts, like streams that don't go with the music. But it seems just the difficulty changing at different points you don't agree with. Is that not just like saying "it's too hard for me"? It's not an easy/medium/hard/insane map, so I don't see what's the problem, since these kinds of difficulties are usually less flowing to be more challenging.
3/4 of maps are like thisAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
EZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZEZEZEZEZ-HARDER-FUCKMYLIFE-EZEZEZEZZzZzZzZzZzZzZ-HARD-FUCKMYLIFE5X
Every map have harder section
so what's wrong with it?
it's typical "omg i hate this map because it hard"
can pass =/= can playAmaiHachimitsu wrote:
How can you like a map you can't play?Ash Marley wrote:
This is a map that many many people really like and wanted to be ranked, even when they know they can't pass it. This is a game, and games are played for the enjoyment.
If you have enough skill, being lucky is not requirement.AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
but ranking a map where luck is required the most in order to get a full combo is unnecessary. I could even say it's plain wrong. Ranking introduces some kind of competition, but the competition in this case is as fair as watermelon splitting contest.
About copypaste, this thing is in mapping for long years and nobody complains about it. look at Lust's maps
Beatmap Nominators are asking for testplays/opinions good players if they can't play the map (if not, they should lol, but I believe they do o.o)AmaiHachimitsu wrote:
What I'd like to ask is to put more heart into such maps and possibly cooperate with more over-average players. Call me an elitist, but I can't possibly trust that 6+ star should be ranked so easily when among beatmap nominators there are less than 5 capable players (who would at least pass this map here, for instance).
pozdrawjam qwq
Not hating, this map is somewhat fun to play, but I can clearly see HW's motivation for this: "this is the song I really like, but it's too calm, the map would be too easy, better throw some spaced streams and fast sliders all over it".
Also, where's Loctav? Did his stance on this changed?
Also, where's Loctav? Did his stance on this changed?
iif u don't like the map plz just vote 1 and don't play it
Plz don't judge the mapper
Mapping is a hard thing, and mappers put a lot of effort in every map, specially this mapper
Plz don't judge the mapper
Mapping is a hard thing, and mappers put a lot of effort in every map, specially this mapper
Congrats for making it past qualification HW!
I'm strongly against maps which are ranked because hype.... hype led by people who know nothing about the game and mapping.
it's hard because you never dedicate yourself to mapping. If you do map, you'd understand that this is ridiculous. Stop crying over judgements, you're obviously a child if you really think judging is wrong. Judging is what humans do to excel and it's HILARIOUS to think that you won't get judgements or criticism from publishing something, even a map in a rhythm game.Alex Li wrote:
iif u don't like the map plz just vote 1 and don't play it
Plz don't judge the mapper
Mapping is a hard thing, and mappers put a lot of effort in every map, specially this mapper
Talking about FCing things and enjoyment.. Enjoyment is a very subjective matter, bringing that is definitely a no, and even if he can't FC it, what makes you think that he shouldn't criticize on the map and express what he believes in? You have 4 times less PP than him so don't talk about difficulty with him because you're in no way experienced enough to touch on this subject... He's seen and played more terrible maps than you do. I agree that rhythm games should always have crazy maps but not forced ones like this map.Ash Marley wrote:
Amai, you don't need to play it if you don't like it or are unable to FC it.
This is a map that many many people really like and wanted to be ranked, even when they know they can't pass it. This is a game, and games are played for the enjoyment. If you can't FC it, then so what? Lower difficulties can be made. Rhythm games should always have crazy hard maps.
can you guys not
You're free to express your opinion on the map, but if it's going to be directed at someone you should probably take it somewhere else.
You're free to express your opinion on the map, but if it's going to be directed at someone you should probably take it somewhere else.
you're obviously a child like you mention,just like a crazy always criticise.stop shitting post and get out plz jk[ Madoka ] wrote:
it's hard because you never dedicate yourself to mapping. If you do map, you'd understand that this is ridiculous. Stop crying over judgements, you're obviously a child if you really think judging is wrong. Judging is what humans do to excel and it's HILARIOUS to think that you won't get judgements or criticism from publishing something, even a map in a rhythm game.
hilarious kid
Awh god, this map has survived.
Even though i'm not really fan of your maps. Just have my respects.
Even though i'm not really fan of your maps. Just have my respects.
HW!!!!!!!!!!!
Grats HW, respect to you
too bad that i do map[ Madoka ] wrote:
it's hard because you never dedicate yourself to mapping. If you do map, you'd understand that this is ridiculous. Stop crying over judgements, you're obviously a child if you really think judging is wrong. Judging is what humans do to excel and it's HILARIOUS to think that you won't get judgements or criticism from publishing something, even a map in a rhythm game.Alex Li wrote:
iif u don't like the map plz just vote 1 and don't play it
Plz don't judge the mapper
Mapping is a hard thing, and mappers put a lot of effort in every map, specially this mapper
and i didnt say that "judging" is wrong
i just that the map has no problem at all, why judge on people's style because you hate it
judge is for fixing, not judging, THANKS
can you map the song i created??
After seeing this map I think you'll have the talent to do so!
http://puu.sh/haAND/bb6e996454.mp3
just kidding~
After seeing this map I think you'll have the talent to do so!
http://puu.sh/haAND/bb6e996454.mp3
just kidding~
I'm telling them to get over it if someone judges a map. It's only natural if you get judgmental people commenting on maps, after all, what's good or bad is debatable. How am I a child or a hypocrite of what I said? If someone said my maps are crap, sure, I'll take it. I'll prolly ignore them if they're not very constructive and I'm not going to get all depressed and cry in the corner over it.Sellenite wrote:
you're obviously a child like you mention,just like a crazy always criticise.stop shitting post and get out plz jk
hilarious kid
I know you map, but you talk like as if it's an achievement. Mapping's not hard, but ranking is. He did point out what he thought was wrong. the copy paste and sharp turn in streams. Isn't that a judgement for fixing? Are you illiterate?Alex Li wrote:
too bad that i do map
and i didnt say that "judging" is wrong
i just that the map has no problem at all, why judge on people's style because you hate it
judge is for fixing, not judging, THANKS
HW go go, 'happy30 - Untitled (Extended Mix)'happy30 wrote:
can you map the song i created??
After seeing this map I think you'll have the talent to do so!
http://puu.sh/haAND/bb6e996454.mp3
just kidding~
problem means that everyone think is wrong like timing wrong[ Madoka ] wrote:
I know you map, but you talk like as if it's an achievement. Mapping's not hard, but ranking is. He did point out what he thought was wrong. the copy paste and sharp turn in streams. Isn't that a judgement for fixing? Are you illiterate?Alex Li wrote:
too bad that i do map
and i didnt say that "judging" is wrong
i just that the map has no problem at all, why judge on people's style because you hate it
judge is for fixing, not judging, THANKS
not means that only someone sees as a problem
copy and paste can be seen in a lot of good maps
and yes, thats not a judgement for fixing
im just saying that do not stop people from mapping their map in their style
>that do not stop people from mapping their map in their style.Alex Li wrote:
problem means that everyone think is wrong like timing wrong
not means that only someone sees as a problem
copy and paste can be seen in a lot of good maps
and yes, thats not a judgement for fixing
im just saying that do not stop people from mapping their map in their style
then what's the problem?
I know you map, but you talk like as if it's an achievement. Mapping's not hard, but ranking is. He did point out what he thought was wrong. the copy paste and sharp turn in streams. Isn't that a judgement for fixing? Are you illiterate?
problem means that everyone think is wrong like timing wrong
not means that only someone sees as a problem
copy and paste can be seen in a lot of good maps
and yes, thats not a judgement for fixing
im just saying that do not stop people from mapping their map in their style
i think his point is that, you can map how you want, the map itself just doesnt belong in ranked, its a good fun map, it just shouldnt ranked
If you have a problem with a map, make suggestions before the map is ranked. Insulting the mapper and publically arguing about map quality after the map is ranked helps no one and just makes you look bitter.
mashallah
出狱啦
Slovakia attacked this thread
same
I tried to give this thread a bit more hope but it seems like nothing is gonna change.
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aaaa flame flame flame whi iz ranked flame flameAndrea wrote:
I tried to give this thread a bit more hope but it seems like nothing is gonna change.
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U wu
same tbhSquigly wrote:
aaaa flame flame flame whi iz ranked flame flameAndrea wrote:
I tried to give this thread a bit more hope but it seems like nothing is gonna change.
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U wu
handsome wrote:
mashallah
#BlameAndrea
- Marco - wrote:
#BlameAndrea
lol
I've finally took a look on this map, and I can feel so much effort. Good work. (Though the slider arts weren't awesome at all for me haha)
I don't know how many players this message will reach and whether the mapper themselves is subscribed to the thread, but still.
It may strike you as unexpected, but I came here to apologize to Hollow Wings (and every single person who's been supporting this map) for my past behaviour. During these two years, in my thoughts I've returned to the whole situation around Genryuu Kaiko over and over, over and over, and eventually I felt I couldn't justify decisions I took back then. Moreover, I found them really harmful and, well, let's say it, absolutely pointless and unnecessary. Havind disqualified the map, I;ve stopped following it and left it hanging in the air, I have only made a lame reference to similar events that took place in the past, hell, I haven't even stated in a clear and acceptable way what WAS wrong with the map in the first place. While I should have been busy moderating the ranked maps section, I started censoring it, being convinced that this is the way it should be.
Although this very post has little to no value due to long time passed since the described events, it's sincere. While I still can't say I like Genryuu Kaiko or welcome it, I have to agree that what I've done was absolutely awful and... unfair? Yeah, that was it. I shouldn't have let my personal preferences and views take precedence over everything else.
In other words, I am sorry for what I've done to both the map and Hollow Wings. I also think my post should be public and belong to the thread, just like the cause of it.
It may strike you as unexpected, but I came here to apologize to Hollow Wings (and every single person who's been supporting this map) for my past behaviour. During these two years, in my thoughts I've returned to the whole situation around Genryuu Kaiko over and over, over and over, and eventually I felt I couldn't justify decisions I took back then. Moreover, I found them really harmful and, well, let's say it, absolutely pointless and unnecessary. Havind disqualified the map, I;ve stopped following it and left it hanging in the air, I have only made a lame reference to similar events that took place in the past, hell, I haven't even stated in a clear and acceptable way what WAS wrong with the map in the first place. While I should have been busy moderating the ranked maps section, I started censoring it, being convinced that this is the way it should be.
Although this very post has little to no value due to long time passed since the described events, it's sincere. While I still can't say I like Genryuu Kaiko or welcome it, I have to agree that what I've done was absolutely awful and... unfair? Yeah, that was it. I shouldn't have let my personal preferences and views take precedence over everything else.
In other words, I am sorry for what I've done to both the map and Hollow Wings. I also think my post should be public and belong to the thread, just like the cause of it.