If there's a scum among me, Gumica, and SNB, that would be Gumica. Either he forgot that I claim VT in Carbon-14 or just wants to make me look even more scum.

Say, what does your claim in carbon has to do with the current game?
also, give me your reasons for suspecting SNB

It means I'm not lying on my claim. Heck, I even full claimed in Touhou Upick even though I'm scum.

I included SNB because I was referring to redo's reads.

Right, by that accord, my claims should always be truthful then too, but you're still doubting me. How ironic.
This was the kind of scepticism i was reffering to in one of my previous posts.

What specificly bothers you about SNB?

Navizel wrote:

It means I'm not lying on my claim. Heck, I even full claimed in Touhou Upick even though I'm scum.

I included SNB because I was referring to redo's reads.

so I just searched the last newbie & TouhouUPick where he was scum in both of them and realised some things
1.Nav is still lurking in all of them. Much surprise?
2.Nav DOESN'T claim VT in both of them. wow much surprise.

and seriously if I compare Gumica & Nav, Gumica is way more suspicious because Nav probably isn't scum by meta <.<

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I don't know about that, I'd rather keep my mouth shut for now. Even the smallest whoops-a-daisies result to this kind of consequences, I see (even though it's mainly coming from NH).

I kind of have to think that you just try to pressure me, throwing in faux-FoS and so. I don't see any votes my way, you know.

and seriously SNB is just super suspicious right now. It's like he/she is backing out of the discussion so that we can't further suspect him/her based on his/her post <.<

and btw SNB your first few posts looks like you got a PR role in the same row/column with Tracker(slightly similar role to watcher) Why am I outing this? 1.You are either town PR or mafia most likely and 2.If you're town PR, mafia WOULD have figure out your role ANYWAY <.< #How NOT to play town PR if you're one.

Gimme PR role plx. Or am I a PR this game? hmmmmmmmmmm~

Why would I claim VT if I'm not one?


@Gumica, like I said, I was referring to redo's reads where he thinks one of us is scum.

Setsuen, don't speculate about roles, please.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Setsuen, don't speculate about roles, please.

in b4 Role speculation is against rules and I get modkilled trolololol(brb copying NH tactic somewhere in this post)

but seriously I don't think scum would be crazy enough to believe me. If they do that means I can literally control who I want them to kill which is stupid. VT massacre and I'm the last one standing anyone? ;3(ÿet again, am I really not PR? hm.........)

oh I forgot to add something everyone. I only saw that I got a role PM from tn. I didn't even see what was inside the role PM. But not to worry I'll check N1 whether I'm PR or not ;3 Seriously though you should have known that I didn't check my role PM when I'm saying ""or am I PR" but whatever ;3

DakeDekaane wrote:

Don't disappoint me Setsuen.

did I disappoint you already ;c? I didn't read my role PM at all. OR DID I?

game is going to slow brb thinking of more ways to jazz up gameplay here.

Gumica wrote:

also, give me your reasons for suspecting SNB

Well played. If "SNB" right there was some other name from here, and you got lynched and turned out to be a mafia, I would have my highest suspicions at the person in your post. Basically, if you die and turn out to be a mafia, I'm 100% sure to be the next one dead. Think about it.

I haven't defended you at all. I was merely asking Nav of his actions

Also, why are you so defensive? People are already suspecting you of being a PR, and posts like your last are just confirming it.

You're kinda implying:
>Yeah so.. if you die, you also killed me fag, so don't do it.

Gumica wrote:

Also, why are you so defensive? People are already suspecting you of being a PR, and posts like your last are just confirming it.

This post stinks. A lot.

Gumica wrote:

I haven't defended you at all. I was merely asking Nav of his actions

I never said you have. Your post just gives that atmosphere way too strongly.

I can tell reaction gathering tactic don't work anymore. Hey NH time to find to new tactic. Your tactic is ineffective now.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Gumica wrote:

also, give me your reasons for suspecting SNB

Well played. If "SNB" right there was some other name from here, and you got lynched and turned out to be a mafia, I would have my highest suspicions at the person in your post. Basically, if you die and turn out to be a mafia, I'm 100% sure to be the next one dead. Think about it.

I'm glad Chaos in dummyville finished. #Why did I get Nightkilled over conf town?

Gumica wrote:

Also, why are you so defensive? People are already suspecting you of being a PR, and posts like your last are just confirming it.

You're kinda implying:
>Yeah so.. if you die, you also killed me fag, so don't do it.

I have NO IDEA how you inferred that SNB confirmed PR with that post. THAT post in particular had NOTHING indicative of PR at all <.<
SNB is implying that if you flipped maf he will be killed next because he will be VERY obv town(that + I PR read him a little) because I'm pretty sure SNB isn't bussing anything <.<

Yes, but why would anyone go this defensive over making a question to another player? I would assume that it would be because that person has background reasons -> hiding something. And that in this case being PR or Mafia

Gumica wrote:

Yes, but why would anyone go this defensive over making a question to another player? I would assume that it would be because that person has background reasons -> hiding something. And that in this case being PR or Mafia

SNB's reply wasn't even a question. It's stating common sense. Lets look back at Chaos in dummyville since it ended. Look what happened about Nyquil got lynched. tn got killed because he was ALMOST conf town <.< what SNB is stating is that it's a fact. He isn't bussing and if you flip maf, he WILL be killed <.<

I go OMGus & defensive in so many games and what am I? a poor VT in them so lol wut? If people are hiding something, they usually lurk or try to make sure no one stumble upon it by joining in on town's accusation at someone <.<

I was reffering to Navizel, not SNB

Gumica wrote:

I was reffering to Navizel, not SNB

and I can tell you Navizel's reply wasn't even that defensive. You want defensive see my walls in lupus against CB lolllllll <.<

@mod:Pls tn5421 is at L-0 how can you not see that? Can't see you Zexion,mine,farto,rEdo,Gumica,NH, SNB,Nav & DD votes on him? Heck he's at L negative 4 sheesh how can you NOT see that?

Vote:tn5421

pls notis this mod

This is what happens when I'm at school doing a project and there's no new posts to infer about <.<

Actually I hate to admit this, but Setsuen's post about Navizel's VT makes some sense. I've always maintained that scum generally go for PR claims especially when there are no series of claims yet.

Unvote

And you misunderstood me once again.I guess you really can't read me Setsuen, lol

Gumica wrote:

And you misunderstood me once again.I guess you really can't read me Setsuen, lol

Your posts are ten times more confusing than my WALLS.

I'm only gonna comment on some stuff that I found funny/interesting.

Setsuen wrote:

Biased lynch order atm:farto>Static>Nav>Zexion>rEdo>Gumica>DD>NH
Of course one of the scum will be in front of the list. The other will be someone in the middle of the list. Watch as my town reads try to leech off this reads if they're scum cause why not.

If the scum is in the middle of your to-lynch list, this implies that you want to lynch Town first over scum. Why not put scum in the first pooting place then? This is absolutely silly.

Also damn, you haven't read me as scum a few days ago when we were 'arguing' (as you call it) and later on you went full retard on me? I haven't posted for 4 days, what changed your mind? Also, you have no case on me.

Next. Navizel is obvious scum. Easy lynch easy life.

Zexion could be scum, especially for that vote on Gumica. Dragging away attention from Navizel clumsily, the reasoning was damn weak as well.

No matter how annoying Setsuen's playstyle is, he's most likely Town. Prejudice over me already after first day, I don't really care about this. His reasoning is stupid and the whole playstyle is, but that doesn't affect my perceiving of his alignment. At least not for now. By the way, walling is a damn bad meta-smoother. I will surely notice if you're scum next game if you keep walling like this.

I'm not touching SNB for the time being. He's playing a typical newbie-observational game, nothing else. Could be anything.

Not gonna comment on everyone since it doesn't matter as I already commented on the most important cases (Navizel and Zexion).

Navizel should be lynched.

Vote: Navizel

By the way, I haven't been prodded.

Just curious, what other reasons are there for Zexion being suspected, other than that he went V/LA and kept the vote? Have I missed something or simply forgotten something obvious here? Or is it completely something that isn't there?

fartownik wrote:

I'm only gonna comment on some stuff that I found funny/interesting.

Also damn, you haven't read me as scum a few days ago when we were 'arguing' (as you call it) and later on you went full retard on me? I haven't posted for 4 days, what changed your mind? Also, you have no case on me.

Next. Navizel is obvious scum. Easy lynch easy life.

Zexion could be scum, especially for that vote on Gumica. Dragging away attention from Navizel clumsily, the reasoning was damn weak as well.

No matter how annoying Setsuen's playstyle is, he's most likely Town. Prejudice over me already after first day, I don't really care about this. His reasoning is stupid and the whole playstyle is, but that doesn't affect my perceiving of his alignment. At least not for now. By the way, walling is a damn bad meta-smoother. I will surely notice if you're scum next game if you keep walling like this.

I'm not touching SNB for the time being. He's playing a typical newbie-observational game, nothing else. Could be anything.

Not gonna comment on everyone since it doesn't matter as I already commented on the most important cases (Navizel and Zexion).

Navizel should be lynched.

Vote: Navizel

1.Cause I'm a biased person and I don't like you so I'm willing to go against wincon to lynch you. I have no qualm with doing this as town at all. Not reading you as scum doesn't mean I want you to live <.< You obviously haven't seen my biasness in Lupus where I went for Irre D4 after both WW died..

2.How is Nav obv scum. <.<
3.What makes you think you'll stand me long enough this game to make you want to /in on any other games that I join? I mean look at what happened to Irre

4.Nav playstyle on this game isn't even similar to the last Newbie mafia/Chaos in dummyville and by probability, the chances of Nav getting scum role again is LOW as heck. Do you see Nav super aggressively fighting me? No. Seriously the only big suspicious part was him whining that I was walling b4 24hrs was even up <.<

5.WHY should YOU worry about me placing the 2nd scum in the middle of the list when we haven't even lynched ONE scum yet? A LOT of people won't understand my reads since I do it this way but that just adds to the WIFOM purpose of my playing style. I see no need to concentrate on the 2nd scum and I usually DON'T get killed early game so I CAN leave my reads jumbled up and if they DO kill me it's still dumb because the chances of me being VT is higher than the chances of me being PR <.<(more reasons found below)


Real FOS on Farto ;< The only way I can be wrong is if it's rEdo/NH/+Nav scum team <.< and seriously I'm more likely to believe Zexion scum than Nav scum right now <.< and part of the reason is that Nav scum WILL eventually out himself via lurking/POE.

tn5421 wrote:

I'm sorry, did something happen?

you missed the part where I wanna be a 3rd party who can kill 3people in a row. If I hit both maf I win by myself and town loses cause why not. Now anyone reading this would think:Oh he must have a boring role..... must be VT but then now that I'm stating this, do you STILL think I'm VT? #MindRekt

I love how scum can't kill me because 1.If I'm VT, they're letting PR live 2.They're killing off the only huge source of WIFOM so they're "exposed" because there's no WIFOM to hide behind 3.If they actually kill me because I state this they're truly pathetic because I already gave my gut reads and someone in the front of it will most likely flip scum <.<

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Just curious, what other reasons are there for Zexion being suspected, other than that he went V/LA and kept the vote? Have I missed something or simply forgotten something obvious here? Or is it completely something that isn't there?

Zexion wrote:

I facepalmed so hard, claiming a non-existing role and moreover, N0 only allowed mafia to talk. So yeah, I can't even begin to...

Setsuen is walling already which doesn't bother me at all since I'm already used to his walls of text. I wouldn't like to get in an argument with him again tho.

and did anyone notice the slip? I'm pretty sure this is NEWBIE mafia and Zexion is a newbie. So how the heck did he figure out N0 was for scum chat without being a scum? Note that I never knew N0 was for scum to chat UNTIL I was in WeNeedAFifth and as we all know, Zexion hasn't been maf YET.

Zexion doesn't want to get into an argument with me. That is understandable seeing how Chaos in dummyville turned out but did NO ONE suspect any hidden intention behind it? i.e not letting me get a good read on him?

______________________________________________________________
If you want a REALLY PARANOID TOWN:

Zexion wrote:

Setsuen, I simply said I did not want to argue with you again, and there's isn't much to talk about. I dislike reaction tests, you can never get accuarate results because even proper town players can act like scum even once in a while. So yeah, agreeing with NH to bring someone to L-1 so we might get some info.

Oh sure but you forgot there's a proper town player here who is obv town right now. I can't believe you're using this argument. This is just so freaking suspicious. Bringing someone to L-1 being info? That sure DIDN'T work in Lupus where I self-voted and went to L-1 and I only claimed my role in UPick when I reached L-1 and waited until DL was reached <.< TBH who knows you might be lying about v.la so you can lurk it out until near DL. Oh btw Zexion, there's a LOT to talk about now and no accurate results? HA scums just LOVE to do minor slip here and there. I BLAME town for not inferring enough into it. The 1way my results aren't accurate is IF I go against my intial results. i.e Sakura in Lupus, pieguy in Chaos in dummyville.Other than that random guesswork such as lets lynch Sephi & Nyquil in MyLo STILL worked fine.. if town cooperated <.<

Oh, yeah. I didn't really take that in account. Fair enough, justifies the suspicions quite well.

I still have my gut feeling for Gumica, and it's increasing by every post by them.

For now, I'd rather leave the voting stuff in peace, since Zexion is not even here at the moment. But mark my words, either (or both?) of Gumica and Zexion is mafia.

Actually, never mind.

Rules wrote:

There will be a 12 hour Night 0 so the Mafia team has time to co-ordinate. Nobody will be allowed to use their role during night 0. This is purely so Mafia can discuss tactics.

I started remembering things. You see, even Zexion wouldn't be dumb enough to slip that, if that was top secret information. Basically, he knew "N0 was for scum chat without being a scum" by reading the rules.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Actually, never mind.

Rules wrote:

There will be a 12 hour Night 0 so the Mafia team has time to co-ordinate. Nobody will be allowed to use their role during night 0. This is purely so Mafia can discuss tactics.

I started remembering things. You see, even Zexion wouldn't be dumb enough to slip that, if that was top secret information. Basically, he knew "N0 was for scum chat without being a scum" by reading the rules.

Read the entire Lupus where I argued with CB about whether Myth showed up as scum to the other town PR. A slip is still possible. Read the last newbie mafia where I thought scum had day chat. A slip is still possible. and seriously, I doubt anyone check the rules/role sample PM these days.
Also it's near DL and there's absolutely no indication of Zexion being PR at all so there's no way I'm going to town read him. The fact that he only argued about what lurking means. Also don't forget to include in the fact that he just voted Gumica because "Gumica's silly reason" which is exactly like Nav's random vote on me at the start of D1 in the last newbie mafia(I don't even want to elaborate this. My index fingers is starting to hurt probably from typing and tapping on osu <.<)

Navizel wrote:

If there's a scum among me, Gumica, and SNB, that would be Gumica. Either he forgot that I claim VT in Carbon-14 or just wants to make me look even more scum.

Is there any other evidence that makes you think he's scum, or is that scumread just purely for self-defence purposes?

Also, Setsusen, stop making yourself look so silly, it starts to be disturbing x.x

fartownik wrote:

Easy lynch easy life.

why are you doing this xd

On-topic: Would you mind outing your current read on Gumica, farto?

Setsuen wrote:

I doubt anyone check the rules/role sample PM these days.

I did, though this is still only my second game ever (and the first one in English). So, I'm probably the only one newbie enough to have to read the rules

Anyway, yeah, the vote is still really dumb. Not what I'd see as an obvious mafia, but I guess I should trust the professionals, or...?

@SNB: t/189774 is a good place to start if you haven't yet.

@Setsuen: I do read the rules every time I enter a game. I'm sure a lot of people do.

fartownik wrote:

Next. Navizel is obvious scum. Easy lynch easy life.

come again? Exactly why am I an obvious scum? Even though I lurk no matter what my role is, there are still difference on what I post.

Setsuen wrote:

4.Nav playstyle on this game isn't even similar to the last Newbie mafia/Chaos in dummyville and by probability, the chances of Nav getting scum role again is LOW as heck. Do you see Nav super aggressively fighting me? No. Seriously the only big suspicious part was him whining that I was walling b4 24hrs was even up <.<

^

rEdo wrote:

Navizel wrote:

If there's a scum among me, Gumica, and SNB, that would be Gumica. Either he forgot that I claim VT in Carbon-14 or just wants to make me look even more scum.

Is there any other evidence that makes you think he's scum, or is that scumread just purely for self-defence purposes?

For now, it's self-defense. Unless Gumica is going to explain his latest posts clearly.

Guys, ride Gumica's train, ty.

Sorry for my inactivity. Will get home in about 3 hours, so expect a post by then. I will stay active after that.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Guys, ride Gumica's train, ty.

Can I trust you on this one

Vote: Gumica

Well, Gumica still is the main target for my FoS, but I don't know about voting right away after one request.

I'll think about in the morning in a deeper manner. Rather tired atm.

Well deadline is quite close, and we should have something to discuss on next day, no lynching doesn't give us as much info as a lynch, even in a town, so we can analyze the voting pattern.

Right, I'm back and just read the new pages in my absense. First of all:

Unvote

Also If I had still time on my V/LA I'm obviously back so no need to keep it.

Setsuen wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Actually, never mind.
I started remembering things. You see, even Zexion wouldn't be dumb enough to slip that, if that was top secret information. Basically, he knew "N0 was for scum chat without being a scum" by reading the rules.

Read the entire Lupus where I argued with CB about whether Myth showed up as scum to the other town PR. A slip is still possible. Read the last newbie mafia where I thought scum had day chat. A slip is still possible. and seriously, I doubt anyone check the rules/role sample PM these days.
Also it's near DL and there's absolutely no indication of Zexion being PR at all so there's no way I'm going to town read him. The fact that he only argued about what lurking means. Also don't forget to include in the fact that he just voted Gumica because "Gumica's silly reason" which is exactly like Nav's random vote on me at the start of D1 in the last newbie mafia(I don't even want to elaborate this. My index fingers is starting to hurt probably from typing and tapping on osu <.<)

This post wasn't directed towards me, but I'm replying it anyways. Setsuen: the rules of the game clearly states that there will be a N0 for scum to talk. I take my time to read each game's rules in order to see what I can do and what I can't. About my vote on Gumica while I was away, I'll have be honest: I left that vote on purpose, but I didn't really think the consequences of doing that. This was my first time going V/LA so I was unsure of whether leave that vote or remove it, and didn't have time to read the meta on that.

And the bolded part is just pure BS. I guess I don't even have to explain that. If that's your reason for claiming I'm scum... just lol.

Right now I'm townreading Setsuen because he's doing basically the same as usual, little relevance walls and always using meta and past games as a reason to do everything.

Setsuen wrote:

This is just so freaking suspicious. Bringing someone to L-1 being info? That sure DIDN'T work in Lupus where I self-voted and went to L-1 and I only claimed my role in UPick when I reached L-1 and waited until DL was reached <.< TBH who knows you might be lying about v.la so you can lurk it out until near DL. Oh btw Zexion, there's a LOT to talk about now and no accurate results? HA scums just LOVE to do minor slip here and there.

Well you probably realized I was V/LA at that stage and think about bringing someone to L-1:
-There's no plurality lynch. So even we we would "miss" the deadline with someone still at L-1 nothing would happen.
-If someone hammers without a valid reason, they're most likely scum and can be pressured afterwards.
-Scums are much more likely to slip (and everyone for that matter) with a lot of pressure.

So what was the problem with following NH's strategy again if nothing happens, so be it. But something is much more likely to happen but... this was a lots of post ago so yeah. I'm kinda late on this.

What was the case on Navizel again? Something about being too much defensive? I've read this several times but failed to see the point... sorry I'm tired orz

DakeDekaane wrote:

Guys, ride Gumica's train, ty.

Just because lulz?

I'm pretty sure a Navizel flip would give us much more information. I mean, just look how Navi is all happy with voting Gumica right here... I'm fine with lynching either, but give me reasons why Gumica over Navizel.

Scum(?) flip>town flip
Gumica>Navizel

What kind of reason is that?

Explain your previous posts first. Like the one with me being defensive or whatever

Did Navizel just jump on Gumica trying to avoid being lynched?

So the last post by Zexion proves that he's town..... kind of.......... if you have no idea why WOW you lack inference skills ggo back to inference 101 b4 comnig back plz.

and I don't like how Nav just quote whatever I say to defend himself <.< couldn't he come up with that argument to defend himself EARLIER? <.<

DakeDekaane wrote:

Did Navizel just jump on Gumica trying to avoid being lynched?

This seems like a repeat of Lupus D1 but with two different people lol. Now if you imagine this was Lupus who would you REALLY vote for? Gumica or Nav?

rEdo wrote:

@SNB: https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/189774 is a good place to start if you haven't yet.

@Setsuen: I do read the rules every time I enter a game. I'm sure a lot of people do.

brb still wondering why people read rules for a newbie game that's following a standard procedure and thus the rules are SIMPLE as heck.

Navizel wrote:

DakeDekaane wrote:

Guys, ride Gumica's train, ty.

Can I trust you on this one

Vote: Gumica

If this was meant to imply DD+Nav scum team incase Nav got lynched and flipped scum, you just made DD seem more like conf town <.<

Zexion wrote:

Well you probably realized I was V/LA at that stage and think about bringing someone to L-1:
-There's no plurality lynch. So even we we would "miss" the deadline with someone still at L-1 nothing would happen.
-If someone hammers without a valid reason, they're most likely scum and can be pressured afterwards.
-Scums are much more likely to slip (and everyone for that matter) with a lot of pressure.

So what was the problem with following NH's strategy again if nothing happens, so be it. But something is much more likely to happen but... this was a lots of post ago so yeah. I'm kinda late on this.

What was the case on Navizel again? Something about being too much defensive? I've read this several times but failed to see the point... sorry I'm tired orz

1.What makes you think I won't lolhammer just because everyone did it in Lupus?
2.What makes you think anyone would want to pressure me if I lolhammer
3.I can't slip but it's fine. I wall more under pressure so I guess we can see some people asking to be modkilled due to my walls.
Would you want to accidentally bring a PR down to L-1 and force them to claim cause it's the only way to avoid being lynch because there' will probably be 2scums trying to convince ONE last town to hammer? <.<

Nav being defensive is a little suspicious because why would town need to be so defensive(of course excluding me because I will wall fight and I won't stop arguing until you stop first) but then, Nav have been pulling this defensive things for a lot of games. I will admit that Nav wasn't that defensive at Carbon-14 but then I wasn't in there to put any big pressure <.<

1FunFact:Nav and I have never been in the same alignment YET. Nothing much to do with this game. Would you prefer to think that he's scum because of this or would you prefer to think he's the same alignment with me now because being totally different alignment 3times is not possible.(Just like WW CAN'T hit all 3PRs in a row in Lupus argument)

DakeDekaane wrote:

Did Navizel just jump on Gumica trying to avoid being lynched?

Pretty sure. Gotta say, Gumica stayed smart by not jumping in on the emergency lynch train. Guess I should be more suspicious at Navizel rn?

Setsuen wrote:

If this was meant to imply DD+Nav scum team incase Nav got lynched and flipped scum, you just made DD seem more like conf town <.<

What if I flipped town then?

okay

Unvote

I'll wait for Gumica's response first.

... When I made my gambit earlier I didn't even realize there was ACTUALLY a N0.
I have to ask whether or not people actually saw that rule.

My previous read on Zexion may change based on that.
Also, I find it a bit interesting that SNB answered in Zexion's defense. Possible link there

Vote: Gumica

WHERE is the goddamn ISO thread?

Also @rEdo: Gumica is townish for me at the moment.

Navizel wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Next. Navizel is obvious scum. Easy lynch easy life.

come again? Exactly why am I an obvious scum? Even though I lurk no matter what my role is, there are still difference on what I post.

Wow meta calls such reliable many alignment

As far as now, I've been playing this game without knowing the playstyle or anything about half the people of this game, and it stays like that until I have more time for research, as it takes lots of it when processing huge amounts of information (especially Setsuen's games). I'm gonna stick to pure reading without second prejudice from past games.

Also goddammit everytime I try reading a Setsuen wall it's the same bad as any else.

Oh my previous post? the one setsuen was incapable of reading?

It meant how SNB reacted to my question that meant for you

Gumica wrote:

also, give me your reasons for suspecting SNB

with which he replied with;

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Well played. If "SNB" right there was some other name from here, and you got lynched and turned out to be a mafia, I would have my highest suspicions at the person in your post. Basically, if you die and turn out to be a mafia, I'm 100% sure to be the next one dead. Think about it.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Gumica wrote:

I haven't defended you at all. I was merely asking Nav of his actions

I never said you have. Your post just gives that atmosphere way too strongly.

After that, Setsuen went viral with his random posting about the above quotes, like;

Setsuen wrote:

Gumica wrote:

Yes, but why would anyone go this defensive over making a question to another player? I would assume that it would be because that person has background reasons -> hiding something. And that in this case being PR or Mafia

SNB's reply wasn't even a question.[...]

Setsuen wrote:

Gumica wrote:

I was reffering to Navizel, not SNB

and I can tell you Navizel's reply wasn't even that defensive. You want defensive see my walls in lupus against CB lolllllll <.<

So, does that explain it Nav?

All I want to say to farto is I find it freaking suspicious how you're just town reading Gumica and not even trying to read Nav who is MUCH MORE EASIER to read.

and lol since when were meta call bad.? I can sheeping bad though after what happened with Tanz in MyLo <.<

did anyone even understand Gumica here

NoHitter wrote:

... When I made my gambit earlier I didn't even realize there was ACTUALLY a N0.
I have to ask whether or not people actually saw that rule.

My previous read on Zexion may change based on that.
Also, I find it a bit interesting that SNB answered in Zexion's defense. Possible link there

Vote: Gumica

I don't know if that's good or bad. So what are you reading me now?

Also, if we're gonna start judging people based on whether they read the rules or not, all following logic is going to be really awful. Any player should have read the rules of the game, for instance, have you guys noticed that "Bah!" posts aren't allowed here? That's just an example to show that everyone should read the rules to make sure you aren't doing anything that is forbidden.

#No need to read rules. I don't type Bah post after I died anyway. Oh wait I usually don't get nightkilled.............

of course it could be different this game with farto & all the others.

rEdo wrote:

did anyone even understand Gumica here

no. #Nav weird questioning style+Gumica weird answering style > My walls

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

I doubt anyone check the rules/role sample PM these days.

I did, though this is still only my second game ever (and the first one in English). So, I'm probably the only one newbie enough to have to read the rules

Anyway, yeah, the vote is still really dumb. Not what I'd see as an obvious mafia, but I guess I should trust the professionals, or...?

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Pretty sure. Gotta say, Gumica stayed smart by not jumping in on the emergency lynch train. Guess I should be more suspicious at Navizel rn?

#Stop random sheeping & trusting and read Lupus my first game where town pwned Werewolf in a D1 lynch with me self-voting myself. THEN realise you need to scum hunt and lynch scum off using your own reads <.<
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Some fun gut guesses that'll probably be true is the condition is reached:IF both scum have already voted and is on Nav/Gumica I'm pretty sure they're both on DIFFERENT wagon.
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PARANOID TOWNIE TIME

rEdo wrote:

I'm pretty sure a Navizel flip would give us much more information. I mean, just look how Navi is all happy with voting Gumica right here... I'm fine with lynching either, but give me reasons why Gumica over Navizel.

So what are the possibility that rEdo is scum who knows Nav/Gumica isn't scum and wants to accuse whoever is for a Gumica over Nav lynch AFTER we lynch Gumica? Nav flip will give more information what. The only time it really helped was in Lupus was Nav sheeped CB like no tmr on the attack on me. LF sheeping post from Nav pls.

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Oh god took me ages to find this but another fun fact!

Setsuen wrote:

Biased lynch order atm:farto>Static>Nav>Zexion>rEdo>Gumica>DD>NH

Guess who're the people in the middle on my lynch list? By miracle it's Zexion & rEdo much wow. Yes the list is biased which is why you should also subconciously include farto in.(#Do not be the first to argue with me each game I''m in)

I'm willing to go for Zexion lynch along with Nav/Gumica right now. He doesn't give off the Cop/PR vibes he did in Chaos in dummyville at all so.... losing one VERY questionable VT/mafia goon isn't much(ok not really..... <.<)

@Mod:Have you tried reading every post I made to make sure I didn't break any rules? Cause I don't think half the players here do so I want you to do it.. ;3

Just what the fuck Setsuen.

btw

Rules wrote:

Pretending to break a rule will count as breaking the rule.

Also I'm happy with my vote atm. Lynch Navizel next if Gumica flips town.

@NH: In almost all games I've been in, scum has pre-game talk, so I wasn't surprised about Zexion saying that, same about most if the other rules.

EBWOP: if ->of

Stupid phone

Breaking news: Questions = Sheeping.

Setsuen, get your shit together.

*sigh*

Unvote
Vote: Gumica

If he doesn't even want to defend himself, it either means he's scum or a townie that doesn't even care about his wincon. Win or win for us.

No, you're just being a tard for not understanding. My post clearly shows what i meant with SMB replying defensivly to a post that wans't even meant for him.
So, is there any other reason that your voting me, or are you just a scum looking for an easy bait?

a) I've had you as my suspect since the beginning of the day.
b) "Pressing" NH that actually was a trap you have fallen into. Your tries to get out of it were remarkable. If you know what I mean.
c) Defending yourself ONLY when being talked to directly. People are talking about you for quite a while and you respond like only when somebody either votes you or wants something from you. Zero contribution from your own will.
d) And when you actually contribute, it's usually so messed up and full of blackmailing that it's just wrong.
e) Throwing accusations at Navizel (click!) and DD (click!) for no particular/a shitty reason, mainly to try redirecting attention from your persona.
f) A SHITTON of role fishing, like here and especially here. If you wanna do it just because you're a fucking curious Townie, then quit it.

If you wanna prove yourself as a Townie, tell me what the fuck did you do to help us. Or at least try to prove me wrong.

Gumica wrote:

Yes, but why would anyone go this defensive over making a question to another player? I would assume that it would be because that person has background reasons -> hiding something. And that in this case being PR or Mafia

Gumica wrote:

I was reffering to Navizel, not SNB

You're saying that I'm being defensive, yes? I'm not even.

Hai, typing from work. Cant do it for a long time though so just few notices about current events.

Navizel is still scum.
NH is slightly scum.
Anyone on Gumica wagon is slightly scum.
Setsuen's playstyle is still stupid and super annoying.

I sense farto + gumica scum team

Don't get cocky, you can still be scum if Gumica is town.

farto had to pull a suspicious move, though I can't say I didn't fall into doing similar things myself. Basically, a possible scum, in case Gumica is.

Also, NH's mere lurking hasn't been mentioned (besides the farto post I'm still referring to). He's not giving a proper scum vibe if he's not giving a single vibe at all.

Aaaaand Navizel needs an eye on to keep. We might let a bigger scum possibility slide away easily because of the Gumica train - besides farto's latest post, there have been no posts related to that case lately, and even then that wasn't really related to the case. Though, like some wise man once said, first Gumica, then Navizel, no matter what the case is.

But yeah, let's play this card.
Vote: Gumica

Everyone prefers Gumica first? He's clearly Town then.

Like, no one at all besides me is opposing his lynch, so obviously scum wants him lynched and they're not stopping it because they have no reason to (he's Town so a mislynch, which is good for them).

Also my slight scumread on NH is not because lurking, it's this post especially and some other stuff.

Let's play a game. Find the thing I picked up to in that post. If you guess correctly you might have a free townread from me.

Ah and I'm obviously getting NK'd because I will be fucking obvtown when Gumica flips Town so it will be the best scum can do at that moment.

No pls, scum should kill Setsuen to make the game more enjoyable, unless he stops being that bad.

UNLESS you want a flashlynch on Navizel, I'm okay with either of them.

Also farto, that post has nothing wrong for me, it may be a slight scumpaint if something.

rEdo wrote:

a) I've had you as my suspect since the beginning of the day.
b) "Pressing" NH that actually was a trap you have fallen into. Your tries to get out of it were remarkable. If you know what I mean.
c) Defending yourself ONLY when being talked to directly. People are talking about you for quite a while and you respond like only when somebody either votes you or wants something from you. Zero contribution from your own will.
d) And when you actually contribute, it's usually so messed up and full of blackmailing that it's just wrong.
e) Throwing accusations at Navizel (click!) and DD (click!) for no particular/a shitty reason, mainly to try redirecting attention from your persona.
f) A SHITTON of role fishing, like here and especially here. If you wanna do it just because you're a fucking curious Townie, then quit it.

If you wanna prove yourself as a Townie, tell me what the fuck did you do to help us. Or at least try to prove me wrong.

1.How come you even start suspecting someone who is so difficult to read at the start
2.I fell for just about the same trap NH did in the last newbie mafia only I was OBV TOWN once it reached 3way LyLo
3.Ok fine but HE DID scum hunt a little like I did call out Nav for lurking on the last newbie mafia <.<
4.Sounds like my playstyle wut............
5.That seems like a scum slip and that sounds like someone calling someone out for lurking. =.=
6.What rolefish. People LIKE to hint their role to me. Why else would I be able to guess their roles so easily sheesh. Ask dem PR to stop hinting first <.<

yes I'm defending Gumica. like wut. Most of these argument could be used against me too. #Failed logic

fartownik wrote:

Hai, typing from work. Cant do it for a long time though so just few notices about current events.

Navizel is still scum.
NH is slightly scum.
Anyone on Gumica wagon is slightly scum.
Setsuen's playstyle is still stupid and super annoying.

YOU KNOW, I'M PRETTY SURE I USED THIS KIND OF "typing/replying" style in UPick where I rolled scum. I'M NOT JOKING this is suspicious as heck OMG.

Navizel wrote:

I sense farto + gumica scum team

farto yes. Gumica no. farto is just trying to save Gumica for NOW. Like I did in UPick where I townreaded CB until NH died then..... GOODBYE CB <3

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Aaaaand Navizel needs an eye on to keep. We might let a bigger scum possibility slide away easily because of the Gumica train - besides farto's latest post, there have been no posts related to that case lately, and even then that wasn't really related to the case. Though, like some wise man once said, first Gumica, then Navizel, no matter what the case is.

But yeah, let's play this card.
Vote: Gumica

Well I don't think it's that good an idea since there ARE more suspicious people than Nav/Gumica right now that people are IGNORING =.=
btw GG either you're a sheeper or a town PR who decided to stay undercover and go well majority of the town have to be on this...... <.<
Could you be making your role possibility any more obvious? Haha. Even if Gumica flip town I'm NOT going to scum read Nav that fast.

fartownik wrote:

Like, no one at all besides me is opposing his lynch, so obviously scum wants him lynched and they're not stopping it because they have no reason to (he's Town so a mislynch, which is good for them).

I'm neutral towards Gumica lynch. I want you to be lynched first because what you're doing right now seems like what I did in UPick a little <.<

fartownik wrote:

Ah and I'm obviously getting NK'd because I will be fucking obvtown when Gumica flips Town so it will be the best scum can do at that moment.

lol no. Just no. If you're really town and scums do that, they are dumb. Killing me or you N1 will be a dumb move.

Well just a hunch. I don't think Gumcia was exactly wrong to call out DD for not posting much <.< because I seriously don't think DD can be_________(oh guess what it is? Fill in the blank plox)

tn5421 wrote:

@Setsuen: Absolutely not. Are you insane?

EVERYONE YOU HEARD THIS GUY #BAD MOD 2K14

I'm not voting for Gumica cause I still can't read Gumica properly and I would rather lynch farto/rEdo/Zexion. I mean comeon if not farto at least Zexion? <.< What if Zexion is really scum and we're LETTING HIM GET AWAY WITH IT UNTIL D3 LIKE NAV DID ON THE PREVIOUS NEWBIE MAFIA? =.=(just for your info I scum-readed Nav D1 on that one but no...... town decided to go the Mis-lynch route cause nobody was up for it much wow <.<)

fartownik wrote:

Everyone prefers Gumica first? He's clearly Town then.

Gumica isn't even playing the game. Someone already said that it's a win-win situation if he dies, no matter what the outcome is.

If you really insist, I'm full-on sheeping with getting Navizel lynched next day. inb4 he nightkills me because of this sentence

DakeDekaane wrote:

No pls, scum should kill Setsuen to make the game more enjoyable, unless he stops being that bad.

pls why would scum kill me. I kill activity for them even Irre admitted it.

DakeDekaane wrote:

UNLESS you want a flashlynch on Navizel, I'm okay with either of them.

DD pls. Why not on my gut read on rEdo/Zexion? I mean look how I gut readed Nyquil in Chaos and he WAS indeed scum <.< #Trust in me pls

Static Noise Bird wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Everyone prefers Gumica first? He's clearly Town then.

Gumica isn't even playing the game. Someone already said that it's a win-win situation if he dies, no matter what the outcome is.

If you really insist, I'm full-on sheeping with getting Navizel lynched next day. inb4 he nightkills me because of this sentence

hahaha no. It's not a win-win Gumica is like the NEW target of a mis-lynch BECAUSE people FINALLY realise that they can't mis-lynch on me. okay maybe idk.... <.< In fact I was fine with keeping Gumica alive on Lupus even WITH that playing style <.<

Hence why I want to lynch Zexion/rEdo to make sure a Zexion/rEdo scum team doesn't exist.(In case they ask there's no connection to us. blah blah blah)-Exactly. How did I scum read Nyquil in Chaos in dummyville with only 3posts? plz. <.<

Hold the fuck on, farto may be right, get all those fucking votes from Gumica and vote Navizel now

Navizel wrote:

I sense farto + gumica scum team

This post sucks.

Unvote
Vote: Navizel

farto/Gumica eats rope tomorrow if Navizel is town.

Sure, mislynching town "for good" isn't going to help in late game, but Gumica is just really, REALLY eccentric.

Actually,
Unvote

For now. 9~10 hours to go, or something similar.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Hold the fuck on, farto may be right, get all those fucking votes from Gumica and vote Navizel now

Navizel wrote:

I sense farto + gumica scum team

This post sucks.

Unvote
Vote: Navizel

farto/Gumica eats rope tomorrow if Navizel is town.

DD I hope you realise this sounds scummy as heck if anyone inferred into it <.<

Vote:rEdo
yes I feel like a 3rd faction. I'm all alone with no support <.<

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sure, mislynching town "for good" isn't going to help in late game, but Gumica is just really, REALLY eccentric.

Did I read correctly?

What is scummy in that post?

^@Setsuen

DakeDekaane wrote:

What is scummy in that post?

You wanting to lynch farto/Gumica if Nav flips town.
1.Which scum would help their partner so desperately D1 in the first place.

DakeDekaane wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Sure, mislynching town "for good" isn't going to help in late game, but Gumica is just really, REALLY eccentric.

Did I read correctly?

Lolol. I was referring to farto, once again. It sounds wrong if you don't take that into account, I must admit.

Scum just kill Setsuen and I will give you a cookie as a reward.

You notice that makes no sense?

^@Setsuen