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Ipas

Joined September 2013

Ipas 2015-09-06T02:53:19+00:00

Sorry...

[Fort's Finale]

00:22:654 (5,6,7) - I feel weird to hit triplets here, feels way more better with reversed 1/4 slider here than those circles that force you to hit more while the music are very linear and vocals doesn't correlate with hitting those circles
00:27:549 (5,6,7) - I don't like how it's going, vocals here 00:27:707 - needs to have emphasis too and those 1/4 sounds weird because you played it in this way . First, try to delete 00:27:786 (6) - . After that, switch rhythm between 00:27:549 (5,6) - . Getting rid of 1/4 here is right since they sounded bad in my opinion
00:31:180 (6,7) - Switch rhythm here, because I feel vocals on 00:31:180 - needs particular emphasis by using 1/2 slider
1. 00:35:759 (7,8) -
2. 00:38:444 (3,4) -
00:39:786 (5) - Delete? Music are going linear here and 1/4 wouldn't fits in my opinion
00:45:865 (7,8) - Make it same with 00:45:233 (5,6) - sounds better to give right emphasis towards the music, since vocals here 00:46:023 - feels needs more emphasis than this beat 00:46:180 - . With this pattern too, you can give more emphasis to this drum 00:46:496 - , since they looks capable for being hit
00:55:812 (7,8,9) - Jump from (7)>(8) could done with bigger jump than (8)>(9), because (8) have a bit big support from the vocals at (7), which are nice to have it more jumpy than transition to (9) which have a straight vocals/similar than the others . Or if you want to keep jump to (9), consider to lower the jump, because they looks excessive
01:01:180 (8) - You can give the same emphasis to this vocal like 00:59:917 (3) - , I mean, use 1/1 slider to emphasize it, because feels weird to hit this beat 01:01:496 - since it has lower sound than the others over the sequence
SPOILER
01:06:233 (7) - No, don't ignore those 1/4 . You've done it on 01:08:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - which have a little similar with this extended slider
01:10:180 - Fill please, looks nice to hit this beat since it's rather important here
01:40:654 (5,6) - Switch rhythm? Vocals getting nice to hold and drums with a single hit

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I feel weird, about cymbals that always appears every 2 measures at kiai section . Why don't you try to give a hitsound to correlate it with the cymbal on the background sound? Maybe, use Additional normal-hitfinish into them . Otherwise, diffs really nice as I stated before
Good Luck on re-qualifying process!

Ciyus Miapah

3,011 posts

Joined June 2013

Ciyus Miapah 2015-09-06T13:30:14+00:00

Ipas wrote:
Sorry...

[Fort's Finale]
00:22:654 (5,6,7) - I feel weird to hit triplets here, feels way more better with reversed 1/4 slider here than those circles that force you to hit more while the music are very linear and vocals doesn't correlate with hitting those circles
00:27:549 (5,6,7) - I don't like how it's going, vocals here 00:27:707 - needs to have emphasis too and those 1/4 sounds weird because you played it in this way . First, try to delete 00:27:786 (6) - . After that, switch rhythm between 00:27:549 (5,6) - . Getting rid of 1/4 here is right since they sounded bad in my opinion
00:31:180 (6,7) - Switch rhythm here, because I feel vocals on 00:31:180 - needs particular emphasis by using 1/2 slider i think it looks okay if i didnt do this
00:35:759 (7,8) -
00:38:444 (3,4) -
00:39:786 (5) - Delete? Music are going linear here and 1/4 wouldn't fits in my opinion
00:45:865 (7,8) - Make it same with 00:45:233 (5,6) - sounds better to give right emphasis towards the music, since vocals here 00:46:023 - feels needs more emphasis than this beat 00:46:180 - . With this pattern too, you can give more emphasis to this drum 00:46:496 - , since they looks capable for being hit but im but some 1/1 pattern there it clearly readable D:
00:55:812 (7,8,9) - Jump from (7)>(8) could done with bigger jump than (8)>(9), because (8) have a bit big support from the vocals at (7), which are nice to have it more jumpy than transition to (9) which have a straight vocals/similar than the others . Or if you want to keep jump to (9), consider to lower the jump, because they looks excessive it can be reasonable enough because 00:55:970 (8) - has strong snare sound, so keep this it's okay
01:01:180 (8) - You can give the same emphasis to this vocal like 00:59:917 (3) - , I mean, use 1/1 slider to emphasize it, because feels weird to hit this beat 01:01:496 - since it has lower sound than the others over the sequence 01:01:338 (9) - you got trolled with this one lol
SPOILER
01:06:233 (7) - No, don't ignore those 1/4 . You've done it on 01:08:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - which have a little similar with this extended slider not yet on this pattern, it can be vocal or intrumental sound
01:10:180 - Fill please, looks nice to hit this beat since it's rather important here idk how to fix this, because it has nice vocal sound and jump pattern
01:40:654 (5,6) - Switch rhythm? Vocals getting nice to hold and drums with a single hit hummmm~ not sure about this one because im put that one is right on snare sound
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I feel weird, about cymbals that always appears every 2 measures at kiai section . Why don't you try to give a hitsound to correlate it with the cymbal on the background sound? Maybe, use Additional normal-hitfinish into them . Otherwise, diffs really nice as I stated before you will get adapted to this i think
Good Luck on re-qualifying process!

ty for mod, ipas. im fix allsuggestion except red one :3

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moph

1,147 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2015-09-06T13:53:13+00:00

updated
ty for the mods :3

Mercurial

Mercurial 2015-09-07T04:09:18+00:00

Go for it.

sheela

2,651 posts

Joined October 2011

sheela 2015-09-08T01:10:38+00:00

Okay, I'm back! Sorry about the delay!

Fort's Extra

01:04:496 to 01:12:075 - This is less dense before you remapped everything until the first kiai. This part and the part 01:55:023 to 02:02:601 have the rhythm in the music, but have a different density, which could make an inconsistency. I'd like you to edit the first part to something a bit more intense, like the second part.

I guess I could only find this. But in the intro, there are some big jumpy patterns which I don't think it would follow the music, such as 00:20:128 (5,6,7) - 00:32:128 (4,5,6) . They're large, but the intensity is not the same as what will come. Yet it still makes a fit due to the difficulty in my opinion, but I think you should put that in consideration.

Just call me back if Fort has applied my point. I going to check it again.

Ciyus Miapah

3,011 posts

Joined June 2013

Ciyus Miapah 2015-09-08T06:52:25+00:00

sheela901 wrote:
Okay, I'm back! Sorry about the delay!

Fort's Extra
01:04:496 to 01:12:075 - This is less dense before you remapped everything until the first kiai. This part and the part 01:55:023 to 02:02:601 have the rhythm in the music, but have a different density, which could make an inconsistency. I'd like you to edit the first part to something a bit more intense, like the second part.
I guess I could only find this. But in the intro, there are some big jumpy patterns which I don't think it would follow the music, such as 00:20:128 (5,6,7) - 00:32:128 (4,5,6) . They're large, but the intensity is not the same as what will come. Yet it still makes a fit due to the difficulty in my opinion, but I think you should put that in consideration.
Just call me back if Fort has applied my point. I going to check it again.

i will tell something about this map
1. You will never play this part 01:55:023 - if you didnt play 01:04:496 - this part. it can be more dense if im doing something like 2nd beat pattern like that (because i didnt put much jumps at first part, the jumps is far but not too much)

2. im put some sudden jumps to makes player more concentrate with this map, because if im put boring pattern and boring part it can be a little bit boring

3. this map is focusing on jumps and aim skill, so i think it just a little jumps to make player didnt feel suddenly jumping

okay maybe that's all i can say, okay im fixing something there
here we go

Finale

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moph

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

moph 2015-09-08T08:03:42+00:00

okay updated Fort's diff
also fixed a green line in Easy, Normal and Advanced

Yuii-

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Joined July 2013

Yuii- 2015-09-08T16:21:42+00:00

I am here because I feel this is interesting

Arphimigon

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Joined December 2014

Arphimigon 2015-09-08T21:24:21+00:00

Yuii- wrote:
I feel ~~this is~~ interesting

You may not have ranked it FIRST try, but hopefully this may be the last!

sheela

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Joined October 2011

sheela 2015-09-09T00:23:22+00:00

Fort wrote:
i will tell something about this map
1. You will never play this part 01:55:023 - if you didnt play 01:04:496 - this part. it can be more dense if im doing something like 2nd beat pattern like that (because i didnt put much jumps at first part, the jumps is far but not too much)[/color]

Hmm... it still looks weird to me. Both parts have a same tonality, so if you have a different density on one of the two parts, that would make an inconsistency to me. I guess what you want is to have the first part less intense then the second part, like with the second and last kiai. The last kiai, well, is the last kiai of the whole difficulty, and adding intensity will fit with with the map. I also feel that the vocals have added more tone. For the post-choruses, it's "meh" to me, as they are not similar to the kiais. Maybe another opinion about this could be added, but it's not obligatory. This is only my personal opinion though.

Also, 01:06:233 (7) currently sounds weird, since you skip the drum beats. You didn't do that to 01:08:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 01:11:128 (6,7,8,9,10,11) . They are noticeable beats like the ones I mentionned, so I think that clickable objects are worth for that.

@moph: Let me know again if Fort changed anything or not, and I'll might move this map further again!

Ciyus Miapah

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Joined June 2013

Ciyus Miapah 2015-09-09T13:06:36+00:00

sheela901 wrote:
Fort wrote:
i will tell something about this map
1. You will never play this part 01:55:023 - if you didnt play 01:04:496 - this part. it can be more dense if im doing something like 2nd beat pattern like that (because i didnt put much jumps at first part, the jumps is far but not too much)[/color]
Hmm... it still looks weird to me. Both parts have a same tonality, so if you have a different density on one of the two parts, that would make an inconsistency to me. I guess what you want is to have the first part less intense then the second part, like with the second and last kiai. The last kiai, well, is the last kiai of the whole difficulty, and adding intensity will fit with with the map. I also feel that the vocals have added more tone. For the post-choruses, it's "meh" to me, as they are not similar to the kiais. Maybe another opinion about this could be added, but it's not obligatory. This is only my personal opinion though.

Also, 01:06:233 (7) currently sounds weird, since you skip the drum beats. You didn't do that to 01:08:759 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1) - 01:11:128 (6,7,8,9,10,11) . They are noticeable beats like the ones I mentionned, so I think that clickable objects are worth for that.

ummm looks interesting i think since you said this thing for second time, okay i get something there
updated!

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sheela

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Joined October 2011

sheela 2015-09-10T23:27:11+00:00

Close enough, but I don't have any problem for the current update now! The mapset looks still good as new, so hopefully this will be the last time!

moph

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moph 2015-09-10T23:38:35+00:00

hopefully third time's the charm
thanks again you two

Yuii-

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Yuii- 2015-09-10T23:41:05+00:00

YES!
Please, make it the last one.

-Sh1n1-

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-Sh1n1- 2015-09-11T01:19:09+00:00

re-re-reGratz xDD

Mercurial

Mercurial 2015-09-11T01:54:49+00:00

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Starfy

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Starfy 2015-09-11T02:59:38+00:00

!

Beomsan

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Beomsan 2015-09-11T07:04:10+00:00

YES YES YES!

Flask

Beatmap Nominator

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Flask 2015-09-11T09:49:51+00:00

PLEASESURVIVE

Arphimigon

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Arphimigon 2015-09-11T15:10:58+00:00

~~Re-grats~~
Pls pass

Huskatron

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Huskatron 2015-09-11T16:11:52+00:00

PLEASE <3

Irreversible

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Irreversible 2015-09-15T21:51:20+00:00

Fort, it's honestly disappointing how you treated your map.

00:20:128 (5,6,7) - What has this huge jump to do in the beginning section? How does it fit in any way?
00:22:022 (3,4) - This antijump honestly fits to a really small extent.
00:24:075 (1) - Where is the emphasis? Shouldn't a jump actually be here, where a dominant sound is?
00:25:891 (8) - Now that is a way worse triplet than all of the others you had before.
00:34:654 (3) - Hitsound error (shouldn't be on tail i guess)
00:36:707 (1,2) - Looks like you've run out of ideas or patterns, but this tiny overlap, well.
00:41:444 (1) - Why is the hitsound so loud all of a sudden?
00:43:023 (1) - Somewhat not emphasized enough compared to the objects.
01:06:075 (7) - Again, missing hitsound.

Sadly, that's just subjective stuff and it's even more sad that you remapped your great intro to this and I don't see why Moph wanted to keep the new version as this is.. ugh.

Neliel

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Neliel 2015-09-16T16:47:17+00:00

Tbh. it is sad that the previous version got disqualified. There weren't "unreadable" parts like it was stated in the DQ. Readability is also subjective and should be treated like that. The current beginning seems unpolished and also plays like that. I love how the difficulty in the parts after the beginning was increased. That was well done. But the current beginning doesnt play nice and imo. it needs more modding. I tried to help out, but I am not experienced enough in modding to mod it as much as it needs.

Mercurial

Mercurial 2015-09-16T23:06:51+00:00

Irreversible wrote:
Fort, it's honestly disappointing how you treated your map.

00:20:128 (5,6,7) - What has this huge jump to do in the beginning section? How does it fit in any way?
00:22:022 (3,4) - This antijump honestly fits to a really small extent.
00:24:075 (1) - Where is the emphasis? Shouldn't a jump actually be here, where a dominant sound is?
00:25:891 (8) - Now that is a way worse triplet than all of the others you had before.
00:34:654 (3) - Hitsound error (shouldn't be on tail i guess)
00:36:707 (1,2) - Looks like you've run out of ideas or patterns, but this tiny overlap, well.
00:41:444 (1) - Why is the hitsound so loud all of a sudden?
00:43:023 (1) - Somewhat not emphasized enough compared to the objects.
01:06:075 (7) - Again, missing hitsound.

Sadly, that's just subjective stuff and it's even more sad that you remapped your great intro to this and I don't see why Moph wanted to keep the new version as this is.. ugh.

Try to understand that this isn't only Fort's fault but also people who made a mod in here.

I mean, you can understand perfectly what this map needs, but didn't you come early? Now you come and say this 6 days after the qualification note.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is bad, quite the opposite, but you should know when to make mods and when to not speak at all.

moph

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moph 2015-09-17T07:29:55+00:00

Irreversible wrote:
Fort, it's honestly disappointing how you treated your map.

00:20:128 (5,6,7) - What has this huge jump to do in the beginning section? How does it fit in any way?
00:22:022 (3,4) - This antijump honestly fits to a really small extent.
00:24:075 (1) - Where is the emphasis? Shouldn't a jump actually be here, where a dominant sound is?
00:25:891 (8) - Now that is a way worse triplet than all of the others you had before.
00:34:654 (3) - Hitsound error (shouldn't be on tail i guess)
00:36:707 (1,2) - Looks like you've run out of ideas or patterns, but this tiny overlap, well.
00:41:444 (1) - Why is the hitsound so loud all of a sudden?
00:43:023 (1) - Somewhat not emphasized enough compared to the objects.
01:06:075 (7) - Again, missing hitsound.

Sadly, that's just subjective stuff and it's even more sad that you remapped your great intro to this and I don't see why Moph wanted to keep the new version as this is.. ugh.

I agree with a lot of the points that you have made but at least in my opinion these issues are very minor and aren't that apparent while playing. I prefer the current version over the previous one as this one offers a much more even level of difficulty as Deadlyneliel mentioned. My understanding of the previous disqualifications was that the QAT were unsatisfactory with the intro as a whole so I thought Fort reworking it would be a good thing. Thanks for the input though!

Irreversible

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Irreversible 2015-09-17T15:51:46+00:00

Mercurial wrote:
Irreversible wrote:
Fort, it's honestly disappointing how you treated your map.

00:20:128 (5,6,7) - What has this huge jump to do in the beginning section? How does it fit in any way?
00:22:022 (3,4) - This antijump honestly fits to a really small extent.
00:24:075 (1) - Where is the emphasis? Shouldn't a jump actually be here, where a dominant sound is?
00:25:891 (8) - Now that is a way worse triplet than all of the others you had before.
00:34:654 (3) - Hitsound error (shouldn't be on tail i guess)
00:36:707 (1,2) - Looks like you've run out of ideas or patterns, but this tiny overlap, well.
00:41:444 (1) - Why is the hitsound so loud all of a sudden?
00:43:023 (1) - Somewhat not emphasized enough compared to the objects.
01:06:075 (7) - Again, missing hitsound.

Sadly, that's just subjective stuff and it's even more sad that you remapped your great intro to this and I don't see why Moph wanted to keep the new version as this is.. ugh.
Try to understand that this isn't only Fort's fault but also people who made a mod in here.

I mean, you can understand perfectly what this map needs, but didn't you come early? Now you come and say this 6 days after the qualification note.

I'm not saying that what you're doing is bad, quite the opposite, but you should know when to make mods and when to not speak at all.

I did talk to Fort early, unfortunately I don't have time all the time.. And your points are valid, I suppose.
But anyways, let's just look forward that things, as said, happen earlier next time

Mercurial

Mercurial 2015-09-17T21:49:39+00:00

Yeah, subjetive things aside, this mapset is pretty much done for ranking.

So let's move on and try to learn from our mistake to not repeat them in the future

Mercurial

Mercurial 2015-09-18T01:34:04+00:00

Fucking Finally.

sheela

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sheela 2015-09-18T02:31:20+00:00

Yeya!

CSLM

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CSLM 2015-09-18T03:27:46+00:00