can't wait to see how you're going to celebrate the 69th pageZare wrote:
huh
yay page 64 let's celebrate
can't wait to see how you're going to celebrate the 69th pageZare wrote:
huh
yay page 64 let's celebrate
GoldenWolf wrote:
can't wait to see how you're going to celebrate the 69th pageZare wrote:
huh
yay page 64 let's celebrate
Who said I can't improve while I farm pp?Sancheese wrote:
But there is something i dont get. If your goal is Cookiezi-tier skill why are you farming pp
That's like, your opinionNarrillNezzurh wrote:
Because he's not really serious about shooting for cookiezi-tier.
Zare wrote:
huh
yay page 64 let's celebrate
...Woobowiz wrote:
That's like, your opinion
If you're serious about going cookiezi-tier in a reasonable amount of time, you'll stop caring about pp altogether and work on strengthening the areas in which you're weak, and pp gains will happen naturally as a result. This self-improvement cycle will begin to slow down over time as your speed outpaces your aim and reading, and it will not be pleasant for you to have to make the transition from 230bpm AR8 DT plays to 140bpm CS5.2 HR plays 20k plays from now to learn AR10. You're just digging yourself a deeper hole by pp farming.Woobowiz wrote:
I'd say I'm always farming because at the moment my current skill level as determined by pp is ever so slightly behind (by about 100-150 pp I'd estimate). And when I farm the pp needed to match that specific skill level, I've already improved to a point past that level and the cycle continues like some sort of weird improvement cycle.
When you 100% know that you cannot improve any further even after training (usually mental).Sancheese wrote:
Oh and what is skill cap off
My speed and aim have been dominant since the day I started using a tablet. And as far as I know, I don't see much signs of slowing down (yet).NarrillNezzurh wrote:
This self-improvement cycle will begin to slow down over time as your speed outpaces your aim and reading, and it will not be pleasant for you to have to make the transition from 230bpm AR8 DT plays to 140bpm CS5.2 HR plays 20k plays from now to learn AR10.
Subjective and fallacious unless proven otherwise. (sorry for being difficult, but clearly we're of two different mindsets when it comes to improvement)NarrillNezzurh wrote:
You're just digging yourself a deeper hole by pp farming.
When you 100% know that you cannot improve any further even after training (usually mental).Woobowiz wrote:
Sancheese wrote:
Oh and what is skill cap off
It's not subjective at all. pp farming, by definition, impedes progress. You'll obviously still be improving because of the way ppv2 works, but you won't improve as fast as someone who pushes themself without regard for pp, and you'll only improve on things you're already good at. That means that while your speed will continue to get better over time, you'll eventually reach a point where your aim, reading, and accuracy are all laughable for your rank because all your peers won't have pigeonholed themselves so hard.Woobowiz wrote:
Subjective and fallacious unless proven otherwise. (sorry for being difficult, but clearly we're of two different mindsets when it comes to improvement)
You're correct, but only because of what "prove" entails. Given that skill is in no way dependent on pp, it should be obvious that the only effect pp farming of any kind can have on your rate of improvement is negative.Woobowiz wrote:
You can't really prove that it improves some faster.
I beg to differ, accuracy is the most rewardedZare wrote:
the issue is that pp rewards Speed and Aim only.
So you're rewarded for doing what you're expected to do at the bare minimum. But no matter what, with two similar plays with different accuracies, be it a 1x miss run or an FC, the higher accuracy run will give more pp overall, therefore pp is rewarded the most.NarrillNezzurh wrote:
Zare is correct, and I've said this before. Speed and aim become irrelevant once you have enough of both to play the map, but accuracy doesn't become relevant until after that point. It's less important than speed and aim, as it should be.
Or the beginning (that would be one regretful play)Pettanko wrote:
aim is the most important because no fc = no pp unless the miss is towards the end
You're confusing player aim, speed, and accuracy with their corresponding stats. Accuracy needs to be accounted for in all three categories because deficiencies in all three skills can cause you to lose points of accuracy on the map. You can lose accuracy for bad aim or low speed just as easily (if not more easily) as for bad accuracy. This actually works in my favor, not yours.Woobowiz wrote:
And yet you claim accuracy isn't valued the most?
bamZare wrote:
Woobi-chan, you're entirely missing my original point
What I was saying was
You can keep going at current pace and push speed and aim higher and higher
you will get pp like hell
you will eventually be called pro
and reach elite ranks on par with sayo and dungeon
but dont ever expect to FC 4D like this
I agree with this. I've recently been playing a lot of long maps of intermediate difficulty, and trying to FC them, with the purpose of increasing my consistency. Obviously I don't even play online so I can't be farming.winber1 wrote:
you guys realize you are spewing bullshit out, right?
pp farming, by definition, does not impede progress, because by definition it does not mean that. anyway, this so-called "pp farming" is extremely important in becoming a pro player, not because of the pp, but because of the consistency aspect of osu! "Dumb mistakes" generally happen less as you practice fc-ing maps more. People who rarely ever try to FC maps and who push themselves without limiting themselves to the idea of FC-ing and potential pp end being more inconsistent than those who are accuracy whores and those who do this so-called "pp-farming" and FC-ing maps. And those people will never even have a chance in becoming pro unless they crack down and fix that problem. And trust me there are players who are like this. In my opinion, even jesus, king of g&r, suffers from this a bit.
It's one thing to be able to play something, which is usually what happens when people push themselves on maps they can barely pass, and it's another thing to master something, which is to be able to consistently play well and accurately, which comes from strengthening your foundations, i.e. playing and fc-ing the maps that aren't challenging, but not overly easy to full combo. You need to first push your limits a bit, but then back track (once you are able to read and play it) to master it.
And woobowiz is already doing this. He's fcing a bunch of maps, but he's also playing a bunch other maps that aren't in his videos. I can't say how hard the maps he's playing are, or how much he's pushing himself, but he's obviously playing more maps than the ones in this thread.
And all pros have done this. They do this so-called "pp farming" even before pp was created, while also playing whatever they felt like, generally without any agenda. They played maps which they found fun, which usually were hard ones (because people generally like looking cool and awesome by playing hard maps).
That depends on your definition. I think the most sensible definition would be something along the lines of "amassing as much pp as possible as quickly as possible by maximizing pp returns on time." As most people don't like to play the long game, maximizing pp returns on time generally involves not spending time developing weak skills and instead playing maps that lend themselves to your strong skills, such as AR8 DT TV-sizes for Woobowiz.winber1 wrote:
pp farming, by definition, does not impede progress, because by definition it does not mean that.
are you for realdarkmiz wrote:
all these four digit rank people trying to teach him to reach "top tier" please stop, and get some real advice from top 100 pros.
I don't think your post is contributing much.darkmiz wrote:
four digit people only proved they can reach four digits and nothing else
wow, you're like jesus. Please preach to us more, we need your wisdomdarkmiz wrote:
four digit people only proved they can reach four digits and nothing else