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Timing is easy now! (Tempora public beta)

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kongehund
229 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
kongehund

Tempora is now available to everyone in public beta!


Tempora is a program designed to make it fast and easy to time variable-BPM songs that need a gazillion timing points to be timed correctly.

Please see the video below which explains what it is and how to use it:



Download

I hope Tempora lets the mapping community explore songs with complex timing that would have otherwise been avoided.

Enjoy!
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Miku Hatsune
36 posts
Joined November 2017
Miku Hatsune
cool
Nevo
Global Moderator
1,193 posts
Joined November 2015
Nevo
neat :3c
xDololow
478 posts
Joined July 2014
xDololow
I can't open a specific mp3 in the tempora, it just does nothing. Here's mp3 https://files.xxxd.org/revo1/MotedUzE00.mp3
kongehund
229 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
kongehund

xDololow wrote:

I can't open a specific mp3 in the tempora, it just does nothing. Here's mp3 https://files.xxxd.org/revo1/MotedUzE00.mp3
Try saving it in Audacity for now (will fix later :) )
Aurele
Global Moderator
7,606 posts
Joined January 2011
Aurele
waitt that's so fun. thanks for sharing this tool here!
spaceman_atlas
osu!dev
810 posts
Joined July 2013
spaceman_atlas
No source code? Not even via github profile stalking? :( Hoping we can have something like that in-client eventually in lazer maybe if we can fit it somewhere.

That said I do wonder how you're handling the apparent known discrepancy between how waveforms look and how people have come to time beatmaps - just visually looking at the waveform isn't going to yield what people refer as "correct timing". For this purpose lazer applies a "visual offset" of ~20ms to the waveform so that the timing sounds as people expect it to. (See https://github.com/ppy/osu/issues/21947 for more on this.)
kongehund
229 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
kongehund

spaceman_atlas wrote:

No source code? Not even via github profile stalking? :( Hoping we can have something like that in-client eventually in lazer maybe if we can fit it somewhere.
I decided to open-source it.
https://github.com/teamkongehund/Tempora
BlueChinchompa
800 posts
Joined May 2019
BlueChinchompa
this will be huge
DeletedUser_2024727
DeletedUser_2024727

spaceman_atlas wrote:

No source code? Not even via github profile stalking? :( Hoping we can have something like that in-client eventually in lazer maybe if we can fit it somewhere.

That said I do wonder how you're handling the apparent known discrepancy between how waveforms look and how people have come to time beatmaps - just visually looking at the waveform isn't going to yield what people refer as "correct timing". For this purpose lazer applies a "visual offset" of ~20ms to the waveform so that the timing sounds as people expect it to. (See https://github.com/ppy/osu/issues/21947 for more on this.)
thank god I saw this post, now I know for sure I'm not going crazy when I'm converting from .sm to .osu out of arrowvortex. literally everything has been off by that amount and I thought I was fucking something up rofl

being able to visually chart music with dynamic/variable tempos rules and if ppl actually start using this to get stuff ranked, you're about to see a shift in charting meta
if I can use this to properly fix my converted garbage, hoo boy
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MonsieurSebas
94 posts
Joined March 2020
MonsieurSebas
this is awesome
Shiyzo
845 posts
Joined April 2014
Shiyzo
amazing
Ravener
15 posts
Joined June 2022
Ravener
damn that website though, as a dev myself, let me know if I can help
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mapping
42 posts
Joined July 2022
mapping
interesting
VectorMS
237 posts
Joined December 2017
VectorMS
wow, Bro that's incredible!!! Thank you!
AshleyMadison
6 posts
Joined May 2015
AshleyMadison
Doing the Lord's work. Appreciated
oatmilk
9 posts
Joined March 2020
oatmilk
wow
Aranel
489 posts
Joined January 2017
Aranel
revolutionizing timing wp
Waifu
37 posts
Joined May 2020
Waifu
Looks pretty helpful, especially for longer songs with inconsistent beat
Florescence
200 posts
Joined May 2015
Florescence
!
Mahlzeit
57 posts
Joined February 2018
Mahlzeit
sick
a bat
98 posts
Joined December 2018
a bat
lovely
snomi
161 posts
Joined May 2019
snomi
this is awesome but i would love to see some waveform highpass/lowpass filter options as well as some built in waveform delay to adjust for the 25 ms (exact) delay that osu! has on timing vs. the waveform
-infinite-
241 posts
Joined October 2018
-infinite-
I'm not a person doing complex timings but nevertheless tried this a bit. I think it could be beneficial to add spectrogram display. In some music the sounds barely correlate with the appearance of the waveform, but are extremely obvious in the spectrogram (distinct vertical lines).

also the program don't seem to support high DPI scaling so the texts are extremely small on my monitor
floppaosu
102 posts
Joined March 2020
floppaosu

-infinite- wrote:

I'm not a person doing complex timings but nevertheless tried this a bit. I think it could be beneficial to add spectrogram display. In some music the sounds barely correlate with the appearance of the waveform, but are extremely obvious in the spectrogram (distinct vertical lines).

also the program don't seem to support high DPI scaling so the texts are extremely small on my monitor
+1 to this, that's my exact takeaway after trying to time a complex song.

regardless, holy crap this is revolutionary, great job and can't wait for full release!!!
McEndu
1,406 posts
Joined March 2019
McEndu
bump
CLICKMACHINE
531 posts
Joined March 2023
CLICKMACHINE
I'm crying ToT

I guess it's a no go for low end pc
Reset_676
10 posts
Joined January 2016
Reset_676
round to nearest 0.1 bpm + alt wheel on not first timing point === instant crash

but pretty cool tool nonetheless


However, I don't understand how to set it up to have multiple timing points in single measure like in the demonstration. In the first min of the vid we see how its normally and then in demonstration is set to multiple timing points.

Also really needs option to snap the timing points, as if I'm clicking near the previous bpm it should just snap itself to the same bpm instead of having to micro adjust every new point.
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kongehund
229 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
kongehund

Reset_676 wrote:

round to nearest 0.1 bpm + alt wheel on not first timing point === instant crash
Will be fixed later :)

Regarding how to use it, I DM'ed you, but to anyone else reading - the YouTube video has a 40-minute tutorial linked in description.
Reset_676
10 posts
Joined January 2016
Reset_676
To all the re* like me here is the link https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x9buc3w


and to everyone else u just change the beat snap divisor at the top. Do not change it at the left.

Change it at the top and then proceed to timing.
TOMMASO
36 posts
Joined September 2018
TOMMASO
It doesn't open any .mp3 file
Just saved the song I wanted to time on Audacity just like you said and it worked
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zigizigiefe
956 posts
Joined March 2013
zigizigiefe
as a mapper who knows the struggles of timing very well, I can't even express how grateful I am with mere words. you dropped your crown, king.
Firebool
734 posts
Joined March 2015
Firebool
In general, the idea is good with one big BUT. In this editor, i can say that it is almost impossible to set, for example, accelerating or decelerating bpm sections. The interface is not very user-friendly and relies only on keyboard shortcuts, which do not always work (at some points I just can not change the bpm, just does not work). Any audio format programs make such moments clickable, and keyboard shortcuts are used for actions. I would like to make all such moments as choosing a bpm and setting a timing point as easy as possible, without keyboard shortcuts and scrolling. Fast and clumsy, it greatly simplifies the process.

In the current format, the editor is difficult to use for multitiming, where there are not 3-5 sections with different bpm, but 50 sections with a difference of a couple of seconds. In the simpler case, using it is pointless, since the basic editor in the game either copes as well or better, since there are simply more user-friendly.
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