Mapping on lazer is unusable. I know. But, why do so many osu! players still use stable? lazer does everything better.

AFAIK my custom anime waifu skin don't work on lazer. I mean, the gameplay elements are there but not the UI elements. Which sucks.

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

Average gooner osu! stable user smh my head
Also song select skinning is in the works. Just stop being a gooner tho lol

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

This and slider head accuracy for me. Just my opinion though

FIrstly, why I totally understand why they added slider-head accuracy, as an SS player I really like the added cushion I get for being late or early on a slider-head saving my SS runs, so there's that.

Second, I personally haven't really felt like Stable has been such a bad thing that I need to switch.

Third, the way they changed the scoring is annoying and the fact the classic mod is not an exact usage of the old scoring calculation and is instead just an estimation personally infuriates me.

Voidedosu wrote:

FIrstly, why I totally understand why they added slider-head accuracy, as an SS player I really like the added cushion I get for being late or early on a slider-head saving my SS runs, so there's that.

Second, I personally haven't really felt like Stable has been such a bad thing that I need to switch.

Third, the way they changed the scoring is annoying and the fact the classic mod is not an exact usage of the old scoring calculation and is instead just an estimation personally infuriates me.

just git gud lol

lazer is definitely serviceable these days as a client for regular or competitive play, provided you aren't one of those that have hardware issues with it (an unfortunately large group still). but, there are both a good amount of missing features from stable and so many areas where you may just prefer the behavior or look of stable's counterparts... it's hard to take posts like this seriously when that point seems fairly obvious

personally lazer is the main client I play on now, but I'm not a big fan of the visual direction of it. the homebrew vibe that stable built so well over its active development period is lost. I'm hoping that more skinning features will help resolve this for me though

oh yeah ima switch to lazer for the 20 mods that i will never use, useless gameplay changes and unpractical song select

why would i do that
what "awesome" features does lazer offer apart from changing the gameplay in a way that i dont even want

it feels like osu and osu lazer are 2 different games and you cant convince me otherwise
i just want to play osu what the hell would i need the barrel roll mod and slider head acc for in my chill after school session

StalkyBoi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

Average gooner osu! stable user smh my head
Also song select skinning is in the works. Just stop being a gooner tho lol

permaedging to sliderhead acc lazer fanboy

Slider acc isn't fun, feature creep isn't fun, and messed up and unfair leaderboards aren't fun.

i just cant be bothered switching to it
also the ui is so shitty
also cant sort by rank achieved and difficulty at same time (the thing i sort by most on stable)
also it runs worse for some reason
also cant be bothered importing maps
also its not even any better than stable so no reason to switch
also slider accuracy is bad

Weird-ish UI
Still bit buggy
Importing everything takes a whole day (100k maps + 30 skins + local scores)


I'll only switch, when the song import is as basic as drag-and-drop to lazer folder, press F5 and wait for 1h for maps to be imported

StalkyBoi wrote:

Voidedosu wrote:

FIrstly, why I totally understand why they added slider-head accuracy, as an SS player I really like the added cushion I get for being late or early on a slider-head saving my SS runs, so there's that.

Second, I personally haven't really felt like Stable has been such a bad thing that I need to switch.

Third, the way they changed the scoring is annoying and the fact the classic mod is not an exact usage of the old scoring calculation and is instead just an estimation personally infuriates me.

just git gud lol

I'm already better than you and could adjust to slider acc. if I wanted to.

I just choose not to.

StalkyBoi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

Average gooner osu! stable user smh my head
Also song select skinning is in the works. Just stop being a gooner tho lol

Having anime waifu as an encouragement to play better works. Look at top player skins (Mathi, Cookiezi, Arnold etc.) And not having a customisable song selection and song result screen is a downgrade in general.

For now, I can only see 3 use cases for lazer. First is ppl who wanna try something new. Second is ppl who wanna download a song from the game client itself (and don't want to pay for supporter). And third is linux users cuz it's packaged nicely into AppImages as opposed to 69,420 steps you have to take to get normal osu! working

Jangsoodlor wrote:

StalkyBoi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

Average gooner osu! stable user smh my head
Also song select skinning is in the works. Just stop being a gooner tho lol

Having anime waifu as an encouragement to play better works. Look at top player skins (Mathi, Cookiezi, Arnold etc.) And not having a customisable song selection and song result screen is a downgrade in general.

For now, I can only see 3 use cases for lazer. First is ppl who wanna try something new. Second is ppl who wanna download a song from the game client itself (and don't want to pay for supporter). And third is linux users cuz it's packaged nicely into AppImages as opposed to 69,420 steps you have to take to get normal osu! working

As a Linux user, I installed an AUR package and got stable to work. Just one command. There's a GitHub script too. As for

AUR package for those interested (does not include tweaks, so your experience may be impaired): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/osu

Lazer is the best. The multiplayer spec feature, ingame mod customization. You can download maps without having to go on the webpage(I know you can on stable but you need supporter). Gameplay feels much better tbh.

The main reason why I switched to lazer is theres no notelock and Im using both mouse buttons and 1 key. Most poeple just dont like change, its like this in many games.

Lazer doesn't run well on low-end machines. I have to use 1280x720 to even run the client without massive frame drops so I only use it if I feel like playing daily challenges or if im trying to get a medal that's easier to obtain in lazer, like Mirage or Sanguine. I still get input delay with 1280x720 and it makes the client shift to the left so I cant see part of the screen. Not to mention how low quality it looks with the settings I have to use.

I like stable

Distras wrote:

The main reason why I switched to lazer is theres no notelock and Im using both mouse buttons and 1 key. Most poeple just dont like change, its like this in many games.

*looks at everyone who lists a myriad of valid issues*

"we don't like change". Riiiiiiiiight.

just cant get myself used to sliderhead accuracy :<

Stable is stable.
Lazer is not.

Ymir wrote:

Stable is stable.
Lazer is not.

perfect reply couldn't have said it any better

Voidedosu wrote:

Distras wrote:

The main reason why I switched to lazer is theres no notelock and Im using both mouse buttons and 1 key. Most poeple just dont like change, its like this in many games.

*looks at everyone who lists a myriad of valid issues*

"we don't like change". Riiiiiiiiight.

Someones triggered.

Distras wrote:

Voidedosu wrote:

Distras wrote:

The main reason why I switched to lazer is theres no notelock and Im using both mouse buttons and 1 key. Most poeple just dont like change, its like this in many games.

*looks at everyone who lists a myriad of valid issues*

"we don't like change". Riiiiiiiiight.

Someones triggered.

Might want to hold up the mirror, bud.

People really don't like it when someone has actual issues with a new thing, huh?

StalkyBoi wrote:

Jangsoodlor wrote:

StalkyBoi wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

Average gooner osu! stable user smh my head
Also song select skinning is in the works. Just stop being a gooner tho lol

Having anime waifu as an encouragement to play better works. Look at top player skins (Mathi, Cookiezi, Arnold etc.) And not having a customisable song selection and song result screen is a downgrade in general.

For now, I can only see 3 use cases for lazer. First is ppl who wanna try something new. Second is ppl who wanna download a song from the game client itself (and don't want to pay for supporter). And third is linux users cuz it's packaged nicely into AppImages as opposed to 69,420 steps you have to take to get normal osu! working

As a Linux user, I installed an AUR package and got stable to work. Just one command. There's a GitHub script too. As for

AUR package for those interested (does not include tweaks, so your experience may be impaired): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/osu

That's because you use Arch™(btw) (or its derivatives). For ppl using other distro, the easiest way is to follow this guide. Which is intuitive, but maybe too overwhelming to new and unexperienced users compared to just one-click install the appimage

Voidedosu wrote:

Distras wrote:

Voidedosu wrote:

Distras wrote:

The main reason why I switched to lazer is theres no notelock and Im using both mouse buttons and 1 key. Most poeple just dont like change, its like this in many games.

*looks at everyone who lists a myriad of valid issues*

"we don't like change". Riiiiiiiiight.

Someones triggered.

Might want to hold up the mirror, bud.

People really don't like it when someone has actual issues with a new thing, huh?

There's some truth in what he says. Most of the time, when there are too much changes, people tend to be skeptical about these for valid reasons or not. A big impact on what the player is used to can leave them feeling distant at first if it's something they appreciate, which is a totally normal reaction.

I personally love the lazer experience for many reasons, but I'd be lying if I said I always enjoyed playing that version of osu!.

Except painting it as "most people don't like change" is a bit odd since I've only ever seen complaints about performance.

Ymir wrote:

Except painting it as "most people don't like change" is a bit odd since I've only ever seen complaints about performance.

dont like the change of the thing running worse lul

song select that doesnt show diff name when sorting by difficulty

I've played osu!lazer for about a month, and I've set most of my best scores (and got 5 digit) on osu!lazer (so unfortunately they are invisible unless you have lazer mode enabled :V), but I recently switched back to stable for a few reasons:

- I just like the UI of stable better. Song select is way less cluttered, bancho chat rooms are easier to use and read, and the score screens are nicer (because you get an entire screen with the background rather than just a small card)
- Performance. A lot of the menus in lazer are very laggy. Most notably the song select screen and beatmap download screens dip my game below 50 fps, and gameplay rarely goes above 300fps (on stable i can manage around 480fps; my laptop isn't super powerful so those differences are pretty big)
- Slider accuracy. It improved my unstable rate overall, but I still don't like it. First of all, it completely invalidates any identical score set on stable, because the 'classic' mod has a 0.96x multiplier, which ruins like 20 years of #1's, and secondly, it messes with the flow of some maps that depend on the leniency of sliders to properly express soft sections of a song. Having every slider have the same judgement as a regular circle makes the entire map the same intensity, accuracy wise, and I missed the leniency that stable offers. I think it's a well needed leniency, considering most of the difficulty of sliders is aiming them fully (especially in more technical maps) and other rhythm games have leniency in the same realm as this (like most vertical scrolling rhythm games don't have an accuracy judgement at the end of long notes, although osu!mania does)

That being said, there are a few things I like better about lazer:

- Daily challenge, it's fun.
- Rate change from 0.5x to 2.0x. REALLY good for practice.
- Better notelock system, makes some maps less annoying to play.
- More detailed results screen, showing things like hit positions on a circle, aim pp % / tap pp % / acc pp %, and a bar graph of unstable rate.
- Better replay viewer. You can speed up replays, enable options to show where keys were pressed on the screen, show the position of the cursor on each frame, etc.

Sorry for all the yap. All in all, I still prefer stable, even though lazer has some nice features. #REMOVESLIDERACC

mcosu gang

Jangsoodlor wrote:

AFAIK my custom anime waifu skin don't work on lazer. I mean, the gameplay elements are there but not the UI elements. Which sucks.

exactly

fdfdjfk3 wrote:

I've played osu!lazer for about a month, and I've set most of my best scores (and got 5 digit) on osu!lazer (so unfortunately they are invisible unless you have lazer mode enabled :V), but I recently switched back to stable for a few reasons:

- I just like the UI of stable better. Song select is way less cluttered, bancho chat rooms are easier to use and read, and the score screens are nicer (because you get an entire screen with the background rather than just a small card)
- Performance. A lot of the menus in lazer are very laggy. Most notably the song select screen and beatmap download screens dip my game below 50 fps, and gameplay rarely goes above 300fps (on stable i can manage around 480fps; my laptop isn't super powerful so those differences are pretty big)
- Slider accuracy. It improved my unstable rate overall, but I still don't like it. First of all, it completely invalidates any identical score set on stable, because the 'classic' mod has a 0.96x multiplier, which ruins like 20 years of #1's, and secondly, it messes with the flow of some maps that depend on the leniency of sliders to properly express soft sections of a song. Having every slider have the same judgement as a regular circle makes the entire map the same intensity, accuracy wise, and I missed the leniency that stable offers. I think it's a well needed leniency, considering most of the difficulty of sliders is aiming them fully (especially in more technical maps) and other rhythm games have leniency in the same realm as this (like most vertical scrolling rhythm games don't have an accuracy judgement at the end of long notes, although osu!mania does)

That being said, there are a few things I like better about lazer:

- Daily challenge, it's fun.
- Rate change from 0.5x to 2.0x. REALLY good for practice.
- Better notelock system, makes some maps less annoying to play.
- More detailed results screen, showing things like hit positions on a circle, aim pp % / tap pp % / acc pp %, and a bar graph of unstable rate.
- Better replay viewer. You can speed up replays, enable options to show where keys were pressed on the screen, show the position of the cursor on each frame, etc.

Sorry for all the yap. All in all, I still prefer stable, even though lazer has some nice features. #REMOVESLIDERACC

don't say that, or else you're just averse to change according to some people.

Anemic Witch wrote:

mcosu gang

I miss playing on mcosu

Voidedosu wrote:

fdfdjfk3 wrote:

I've played osu!lazer for about a month, and I've set most of my best scores (and got 5 digit) on osu!lazer (so unfortunately they are invisible unless you have lazer mode enabled :V), but I recently switched back to stable for a few reasons:

- I just like the UI of stable better. Song select is way less cluttered, bancho chat rooms are easier to use and read, and the score screens are nicer (because you get an entire screen with the background rather than just a small card)
- Performance. A lot of the menus in lazer are very laggy. Most notably the song select screen and beatmap download screens dip my game below 50 fps, and gameplay rarely goes above 300fps (on stable i can manage around 480fps; my laptop isn't super powerful so those differences are pretty big)
- Slider accuracy. It improved my unstable rate overall, but I still don't like it. First of all, it completely invalidates any identical score set on stable, because the 'classic' mod has a 0.96x multiplier, which ruins like 20 years of #1's, and secondly, it messes with the flow of some maps that depend on the leniency of sliders to properly express soft sections of a song. Having every slider have the same judgement as a regular circle makes the entire map the same intensity, accuracy wise, and I missed the leniency that stable offers. I think it's a well needed leniency, considering most of the difficulty of sliders is aiming them fully (especially in more technical maps) and other rhythm games have leniency in the same realm as this (like most vertical scrolling rhythm games don't have an accuracy judgement at the end of long notes, although osu!mania does)

That being said, there are a few things I like better about lazer:

- Daily challenge, it's fun.
- Rate change from 0.5x to 2.0x. REALLY good for practice.
- Better notelock system, makes some maps less annoying to play.
- More detailed results screen, showing things like hit positions on a circle, aim pp % / tap pp % / acc pp %, and a bar graph of unstable rate.
- Better replay viewer. You can speed up replays, enable options to show where keys were pressed on the screen, show the position of the cursor on each frame, etc.

Sorry for all the yap. All in all, I still prefer stable, even though lazer has some nice features. #REMOVESLIDERACC

don't say that, or else you're just averse to change according to some people.

lol

Last time I checked Lazer, the file management (maps, skins, etc.) was a nightmare. It felt like some drunkard decided to sort the files by rolling a dice. I did read peppy's github and apparently it is better for processing the files, but for the user it is absolutely not intuitive when everything is randomly placed everywhere.

Copying the files from the stable was really buggy for me.

Also trying to start the lazer caused me to run the installer every time, but I blame the OS, not the lazer.


Also, I am simply used to stable and I like it.

I mainly played lazer it is really nice! Notelock not being a real thing helped me improve so much. Recently went back to stable mainly due to 99% of multiplayer lobbies being 4* and under lobbies which was too boring for me.
What I have noticed in is that stable feels better... IDK why hitting notes feels cleaner it almost seems like there's the slightest input lag in lazer and I truly mean SLIGHTEST.

In stable it feels like you have a fraction longer to hit a note making it easier. For some reason on lazer I struggle with jumps but on stable I hit them and it feels right. I only realized it on black rover TV size. I was able to do it fairly easily on stable before I switched to lozer but once I did I could no longer do the jump sections and would fail. When I went back to stable recently I could hit those jumps easily.

There is something slightly off about lazer... Not sure ideally if stable implemented lazers notelock system or lazer adopted stables whatever it is that makes it feel better it would be perfect. But not sure.

Mapping isn't unusable. In fact, it's largely easier. Taiko and Catch are actually easy to map now!

I have an ubuntu/win10 dual boot, been playing lazer on linux, but on windows it just feels off like others have said, and im having a weird texture issue I cant find the reason for - a random white rectangle sometimes appears in gameplay.

either way, still prefer stable for windows on my machine at least.

Octostomp wrote:

Mapping isn't unusable. In fact, it's largely easier. Taiko and Catch are actually easy to map now!

you cannot submit maps tho

StalkyBoi wrote:

Octostomp wrote:

Mapping isn't unusable. In fact, it's largely easier. Taiko and Catch are actually easy to map now!

you cannot submit maps tho

Then you just export them to stable, which takes a minimal amount of time.

i really like lazer but i'd rather play with the look of standard, also sliderhead accuracy is annoying

multi is fun, ugly, less responsive song select, i want to fix some maps with corrupted filenames (video or mp3)

Octostomp wrote:

Mapping isn't unusable. In fact, it's largely easier. Taiko and Catch are actually easy to map now!

However, got to say that mania mapping is almost unusable for me... Seriously, and I'm having trouble placing a single note

+Feels pretty smooth
+It's almost the same as stable
+No notelock!!!!!
+Detailed information of plays at ranking panel
+Sound wave(?) on editor

-Slightly worse perfomance (feels choppy at times)
-UI hot garbo
-Song selection felt slower (by performance)
-Where's my beloved ranking panel? What are these shitty looking cards??
-Just felt alien, maybe not used to it enough
-Song editor is... eh (it looks too simplified while feels so cramped at the same time.)
-Unless you click play>select a song>right click>edit, you can't edit a map

dt score multiplier is x1.10 and hdhr is x1.13 which is absolutely ridiculous

notelock is good

Pokefan005 wrote:

I AM VERY SMART wrote:

Let's be honest, they don't use lazer mainly because of the song selection screen

This and slider head accuracy for me. Just my opinion though

This is exactly why you SHOULD play lazer!

Voidedosu wrote:

FIrstly, why I totally understand why they added slider-head accuracy, as an SS player I really like the added cushion I get for being late or early on a slider-head saving my SS runs, so there's that.

Second, I personally haven't really felt like Stable has been such a bad thing that I need to switch.

Third, the way they changed the scoring is annoying and the fact the classic mod is not an exact usage of the old scoring calculation and is instead just an estimation personally infuriates me.

Fake SS's aren't cool.
I would say to just get used to lazer score

KS Wicher wrote:

oh yeah ima switch to lazer for the 20 mods that i will never use, useless gameplay changes and unpractical song select

why would i do that
what "awesome" features does lazer offer apart from changing the gameplay in a way that i dont even want

it feels like osu and osu lazer are 2 different games and you cant convince me otherwise
i just want to play osu what the hell would i need the barrel roll mod and slider head acc for in my chill after school session

permaedging to sliderhead acc lazer fanboy

What are these "useless" gameplay changes you speak of? Also, sliderhead acc definitely needs to be a thing, just increases the skill expression.

Happy Satoko wrote:

Slider acc isn't fun, feature creep isn't fun, and messed up and unfair leaderboards aren't fun.

Not hitting an object on time and getting perfect acc doesnt sound fun either...

Duck o-o wrote:

i just cant be bothered switching to it
also the ui is so shitty
also cant sort by rank achieved and difficulty at same time (the thing i sort by most on stable)
also it runs worse for some reason
also cant be bothered importing maps
also its not even any better than stable so no reason to switch
also slider accuracy is bad

The scoring is better so thats a reason to switch

Ymir wrote:

Stable is stable.
Lazer is not.

Lately I've had less stability issues on lazer than I did in stable for years. I get a singular stutter in multi per session, I dont know why only one or why it happens, it just does. Then again stable multis were extremely prone to lagging or outright breaking so Id say lazer is more stable

Yeah stable does have it's fair share of issues too, but for me it seems to boil down to my hardware being ignored (not many people play on the specific laptop I have, iirc peppy has openly stated not really caring for fixing those issues).

Lazer is just much worse for me, hopefully I'll be able to give it a proper shot when I buy myself a better setup.

Ymir wrote:

Yeah stable does have it's fair share of issues too, but for me it seems to boil down to my hardware being ignored (not many people play on the specific laptop I have, iirc peppy has openly stated not really caring for fixing those issues).

Lazer is just much worse for me, hopefully I'll be able to give it a proper shot when I buy myself a better setup.

What sort of a toughbook do you have? haha
Also, nice nickname