i think a lot of the issue is that many people dont think its mapped to the song well enoughDesperate-kun wrote:
It makes me so sad reading this top ;w; Imagine you were HanzeR and you were bashed with those comments... It would be pretty frustrating, wouldn't it?
You finally map for yourself, not for others, or do you? And if he likes it like that, he should do it. And if he wants to rank it like that, he should do it, as long as there are no unrankable issues, which are obviously not, as all these patterns (or similar ones) can be found in other ranked maps. If you don't like it, don't play it.
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Hey, just wanted to add some little things!
First of all, gratz Hanzer for your map being approved, I hope you'll be able to carry your map even higher.
I'll try to give my impression about what happened and my feeling about some parts in your beatmap.
I was pretty sad to see some people saying the map was bad (or insults.) without giving any arguments but it was the same for people who were talking about 'art' and saying bullshit like "if you can't read it, you're bad."
I think everybody noticed that you wanted to do something fun and unusual to play. For me, you reached this objective but there is some things which I disagree in your beatmap. I think peppy pointed out very well the problems.
You've some parts which are soooooo fun to play like the second kiai's beginning (03:38:629) which may be hard but it's readable.
Nevertheless, there are some other parts which are really weird imo. You're doing weird stackings sometimes like 04:14:993 (1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - (moreover, you're using double on this pattern which is even harder to read but I'll talk about this in my second part).
I think you've did a good/really good job with this map, but I just feel you killed all your work by trying to increase the difficulty with things which are unreadable (or really hard to read). It may comes from 3 things : stacking, really high spacing, double hit circles.
peppy resumed for stacking and high spacing so let's talk about double hit circles.
Generally, I love doubles but here, I just don't like it sometimes. I remember the one of fanzhen's map (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/261524 [Another]) in the first 10 seconds. It's a little bit the same principle but there is two things which allow this to be readable.
- The spacing isn't so high (I mean x0.2 to x2.3, it hurts a lot). The spacing in the timeline is the same so, for me, it shouldn't be like that.
- There is a flow here which isn't the case on your map. Things like 00:51:811 (1,2,1,2) - or 03:53:629 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - is 'ok' for me, 02:33:629 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this isn't. And even more because 02:35:220 (3,4) - is the same thing that your double but with high spacing. I know that if some guys are doing this on their map, they're just insulted by modders x)
Anyway, I'm waiting to see what will be ppy's mod :3 I'll be happy if you answer to my post (when you'll be able to post lelelel :p) to know exactly your feelings about it. I'm definitely looking forward to this and be able to discover soon a really good map. GL.
First of all, gratz Hanzer for your map being approved, I hope you'll be able to carry your map even higher.
I'll try to give my impression about what happened and my feeling about some parts in your beatmap.
I was pretty sad to see some people saying the map was bad (or insults.) without giving any arguments but it was the same for people who were talking about 'art' and saying bullshit like "if you can't read it, you're bad."
I think everybody noticed that you wanted to do something fun and unusual to play. For me, you reached this objective but there is some things which I disagree in your beatmap. I think peppy pointed out very well the problems.
You've some parts which are soooooo fun to play like the second kiai's beginning (03:38:629) which may be hard but it's readable.
Nevertheless, there are some other parts which are really weird imo. You're doing weird stackings sometimes like 04:14:993 (1,1,2,1,2,3,1,2) - (moreover, you're using double on this pattern which is even harder to read but I'll talk about this in my second part).
I think you've did a good/really good job with this map, but I just feel you killed all your work by trying to increase the difficulty with things which are unreadable (or really hard to read). It may comes from 3 things : stacking, really high spacing, double hit circles.
peppy resumed for stacking and high spacing so let's talk about double hit circles.
Generally, I love doubles but here, I just don't like it sometimes. I remember the one of fanzhen's map (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/261524 [Another]) in the first 10 seconds. It's a little bit the same principle but there is two things which allow this to be readable.
- The spacing isn't so high (I mean x0.2 to x2.3, it hurts a lot). The spacing in the timeline is the same so, for me, it shouldn't be like that.
- There is a flow here which isn't the case on your map. Things like 00:51:811 (1,2,1,2) - or 03:53:629 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - is 'ok' for me, 02:33:629 (1,2,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - this isn't. And even more because 02:35:220 (3,4) - is the same thing that your double but with high spacing. I know that if some guys are doing this on their map, they're just insulted by modders x)
Anyway, I'm waiting to see what will be ppy's mod :3 I'll be happy if you answer to my post (when you'll be able to post lelelel :p) to know exactly your feelings about it. I'm definitely looking forward to this and be able to discover soon a really good map. GL.
the magic of no stack leniency
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Why are you acting like we're saying "boohoo, this is different and this is why I hate it, I want everything to keep exactly as we always do"? Most people here who complain about the map quality have brought their own points. Saying that kind of stuff only makes you look like you aren't paying attention to the discussion and that you're desperately trying to defend the map/mapper in every possible way.captin1 wrote:
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Repeating my already-said-enough-times opinion about this map: kudos to the mapper for being original and creative; I don't think the map's unreadable, but I extremely dislike the usage of 1/4 inconsistent jumps; not my kind of map, but still not unrankable in any way.
Please keep the discussion healthy and stop making useless posts of "11t is god" or "^".
I wasn't trying to imply that any particular person was talking about the map in the way you suggested, but I still think that it is a very thought provoking case that does ring true in the reaction to the map.
isnt it a bit pointless to try to mod since the creator seems to have been ripped a new one
or at least wait a while, and spend some time fine tuning them
or at least wait a while, and spend some time fine tuning them
"within humanly achievable limits"
Eh
This map has a star rating of 3.45, it's not even an Expert difficulty map, of course it's within humanly achievable limits. The reason there's only one FC is because it's a a really long map. Give it some time, the scoreboard will get more and more FCs over time.
Eh
This map has a star rating of 3.45, it's not even an Expert difficulty map, of course it's within humanly achievable limits. The reason there's only one FC is because it's a a really long map. Give it some time, the scoreboard will get more and more FCs over time.
This map is the perfect example of the beginning of a new mapping era.
I don't really like to map like this, it's just my opinion, i just want to be simple, but osu! needs more diversity at beatmapping !
I don't really like to map like this, it's just my opinion, i just want to be simple, but osu! needs more diversity at beatmapping !
I hope not.Cherry Blossom wrote:
This map is the perfect example of the beginning of a new mapping era.
i hope it isSieg wrote:
I hope not.Cherry Blossom wrote:
This map is the perfect example of the beginning of a new mapping era.
I would definitely take the star rating with a grain of salt here - much like some high bpm val maps, this feels a bit underrated. If I had to personally rate it, I'd put it closer to 3.6-3.8 as it feels more like an expert map (even Tom thinks it's at least a bit underrated). Definitely FC'able for sure and we will see more of them, but I think it's quite a bit harder than the star rating suggests.Zare wrote:
This map has a star rating of 3.45, it's not even an Expert difficulty map, of course it's within humanly achievable limits. The reason there's only one FC is because it's a a really long map. Give it some time, the scoreboard will get more and more FCs over time.
I may yet disqualify this one to get the issues I have fixed, if I find the time (the next week is very busy for me). Settling for below-perfection is not something I do.
It'd be even better if the mapper could agree that the points I mention could/should be fixed.
It'd be even better if the mapper could agree that the points I mention could/should be fixed.
heh well thats not happening any time soon i guess you could try hitting him up on his ask.fm though lolpeppy wrote:
I may yet disqualify this one to get the issues I have fixed, if I find the time (the next week is very busy for me). Settling for below-perfection is not something I do.
It'd be even better if the mapper could agree that the points I mention could/should be fixed.
Mikarunoel131_DELETED
This!Desperate-kun wrote:
It makes me so sad reading this top ;w; Imagine you were HanzeR and you were bashed with those comments... It would be pretty frustrating, wouldn't it?
You finally map for yourself, not for others, or do you? And if he likes it like that, he should do it. And if he wants to rank it like that, he should do it, as long as there are no unrankable issues, which are obviously not, as all these patterns (or similar ones) can be found in other ranked maps. If you don't like it, don't play it.
Kodora
Why is this ranked, not approved?
There is no formal approval option anymore. All maps will be formally ranked.
Good map! Even though there are some little parts which concerned me a little (and it's more something personal rather than anything else :p) the map itself is well done and quite creative. I especially like the kiais, good job on these parts 
What new era?Cherry Blossom wrote:
This map is the perfect example of the beginning of a new mapping era.
From what I see this map is pretty much same like many others. (The 3/4 Sliders which are not in the music at the start, for example)
Gratz!
Soarezi
Loctav wrote:
There is no formal approval option anymore. All maps will be formally ranked.
then, a map which is longer than 6 minutes should have a full mapset?
I don't think so.. just imagine a whole marathon mapset, lol..Jaumterran wrote:
Loctav wrote:
There is no formal approval option anymore. All maps will be formally ranked.
then, a map which is longer than 6 minutes should have a full mapset?
what about this http://osu.ppy.sh/s/97433Loctav wrote:
There is no formal approval option anymore. All maps will be formally ranked.
Also I demand a heart icon for every map even it 's the old one if this thing is real
I mean rip fire icon
Sieg wrote:
I hope not.Cherry Blossom wrote:
This map is the perfect example of the beginning of a new mapping era.
This song and map are insanely good and mesh so well. If the map lacked the quick slider jumps @ 03:43:629 (1,1,1,1,1) and the earlier one it would be perfect in my eyes. Good job HanzeR. I just wish you left these non-intuitive patterns out <3
someone else finally fc'd it
... so HanZer, do you feel any sense of regret/satisfaction that this map is what led to the chain of events that causes lewa to troll his own account, changing his password/email to random things and never being able to log in again [learned this on his now-deleted ask.fm. that was the only thing on there besides him calling Kynan a cheater...]? Be honest
noone can blame you
... so HanZer, do you feel any sense of regret/satisfaction that this map is what led to the chain of events that causes lewa to troll his own account, changing his password/email to random things and never being able to log in again [learned this on his now-deleted ask.fm. that was the only thing on there besides him calling Kynan a cheater...]? Be honest
noone can blame youI wish we could've all been reasonable here.
What the shit pal.Bassist Vinyl wrote:
someone else finally fc'd it
... so HanZer, do you feel any sense of regret/satisfaction that this map is what led to the chain of events that causes lewa to troll his own account, changing his password/email to random things and never being able to log in again [learned this on his now-deleted ask.fm. that was the only thing on there besides him calling Kynan a cheater...]? Be honest
The map SV changes are just annoying
onotoleonide
The 1/8 sliders are really the only problem, the rest is very nice and fun to play, the map is well made overallonotoleonide wrote:
- ugly overlaps
- there are no jumps, it's just inconistent spacing
- awful 1/8 sliders
- random sv changes
quiz-chan_DELETED
not really that well-made, as onotoleonide said, it's quite inconsistent in many aspects.blahpy wrote:
The 1/8 sliders are really the only problem, the rest is very nice and fun to play, the map is well made overallonotoleonide wrote:
- ugly overlaps
- there are no jumps, it's just inconistent spacing
- awful 1/8 sliders
- random sv changes
I didn't care about the 1/8 sliders (and I DON'T mean I liked them, I just didn't notice them), the SV changes made sense at some points, but really not all of them.
The overlaps aren't soo bad, but it's just the inconsistence that bothers me about this map. Gameplay is nearly unpredictable ("omg what has a lvl69 got to say omg newb") I don't care, I'm not the best mapper, but I sure do have a knowledge, which tells me, something's wrong with this map.
Tried to be constructive. HanzeR, if you actually do care about my opinion, I can tell you what bothers me a little.
Try to respect mapper's work :CZantaria wrote:
I can't FC because I have to vomit during play >.<
With all due respect: How did this map ever get ranked.. It's just so bad
i am a mainstream hater
Could you link the background picture of the beatmap?
Kodora
hey there from 2016
this is meta mapping now
this is meta mapping now
We need more maps like this
They are soo fun/nicely made <3
I'll likely map a 2* diff for this song someday
They are soo fun/nicely made <3
hey from 2016 im pretty sure im gay
pretty awesome map
It indeed is... Awesome map, really; people really talked all that sht about it 2 years ago? lolKibbleru wrote:
hey there from 2016
this is meta mapping now
Skystar saying "1/10" and Shiro with his "this is mainstream mapping for me" when they both can't make half of the awesomeness that this map has....
I don't understand why people always have to find Every little thing to complain about... f*ing thank who spent time on making something for you to play and if you don't like it either give contructive advices of gtfo and make your own map
Btw we need more, HanzeR
hello 2016 
something something pishi's video
also gratz on ur engagement
also gratz on ur engagement