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Get rid the mentality of "This is just a 4* map, i SUPPOSED to be able to FC this!".
It's damaging. You will only putting too much unnecesary preasure on yourself while in reality you can do much more.
And play less. There's no point of being competitive if you aren't enjoying playing the game in the first place
It's damaging. You will only putting too much unnecesary preasure on yourself while in reality you can do much more.
And play less. There's no point of being competitive if you aren't enjoying playing the game in the first place
you're not that bad of course, but you should absolutely play less because play more doesn't help at all
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you say that until you saw that I missaim every jumps ever created, fingerlock on every triples, and don't even mention streams.Anaxii wrote:
you're not that bad of course
I'm really fucking pessimistic about my own improvement. There's no improvement at all, I'm not joking. Even those "slight improvement" is just a fucking false hope since the next time I played I will become the shittiest fucking 5 digit in the community.
Not gonna lie though, these past 2 week since I've posted this thread, I've been hella enjoying this game. I don't mind the misses and stuff, but I'm definitely still craving for AT LEAST SOME improvement. Which, you guessed it, I became worse. "Be happy even if you get 0.01% acc higher, or less 100s or 50s or misses", but what if I doubled the 100s, 50s, and misses, while having a C rank on a map I could easily get an A rank 2 days ago?
I really am enjoying this game, but I definitely still want an improvement. What did I do wrong? What did I do so much different than other people? Even my (osu) friends has stopped trying to make me feel better since there's no fucking thing they could praise. Should I just give up on this improvement bullshit?
it's because of this mindset that you will never improve. if you don't tell yourself that you're going to set some scores (even small ones), then what's the point of improving? setting small goals can be really helpful because it means that you're climbing the improvement ladder. it's definitely better than just be like "ok now i'm going to FC that map for XXX pp"rematyar wrote:
you say that until you saw that I missaim every jumps ever created, fingerlock on every triples, and don't even mention streams.Anaxii wrote:
you're not that bad of course
I'm really fucking pessimistic about my own improvement. There's no improvement at all, I'm not joking. Even those "slight improvement" is just a fucking false hope since the next time I played I will become the shittiest fucking 5 digit in the community.
Not gonna lie though, these past 2 week since I've posted this thread, I've been hella enjoying this game. I don't mind the misses and stuff, but I'm definitely still craving for AT LEAST SOME improvement. Which, you guessed it, I became worse. "Be happy even if you get 0.01% acc higher, or less 100s or 50s or misses", but what if I doubled the 100s, 50s, and misses, while having a C rank on a map I could easily get an A rank 2 days ago?
I really am enjoying this game, but I definitely still want an improvement. What did I do wrong? What did I do so much different than other people? Even my (osu) friends has stopped trying to make me feel better since there's no fucking thing they could praise. Should I just give up on this improvement bullshit?
One thing you can do right now as a small boost of confidence : 98 - 99% hard to insane maps or setting a new highscore on maps you like. This kind of stuff is improvement in a way much more meaningful than chasing after pp and ranks ever will beAnaxii wrote:
it's because of this mindset that you will never improve. if you don't tell yourself that you're going to set some scores (even small ones), then what's the point of improving? setting small goals can be really helpful because it means that you're climbing the improvement ladder. it's definitely better than just be like "ok now i'm going to FC that map for XXX pp"rematyar wrote:
you say that until you saw that I missaim every jumps ever created, fingerlock on every triples, and don't even mention streams.Anaxii wrote:
you're not that bad of course
I'm really fucking pessimistic about my own improvement. There's no improvement at all, I'm not joking. Even those "slight improvement" is just a fucking false hope since the next time I played I will become the shittiest fucking 5 digit in the community.
Not gonna lie though, these past 2 week since I've posted this thread, I've been hella enjoying this game. I don't mind the misses and stuff, but I'm definitely still craving for AT LEAST SOME improvement. Which, you guessed it, I became worse. "Be happy even if you get 0.01% acc higher, or less 100s or 50s or misses", but what if I doubled the 100s, 50s, and misses, while having a C rank on a map I could easily get an A rank 2 days ago?
I really am enjoying this game, but I definitely still want an improvement. What did I do wrong? What did I do so much different than other people? Even my (osu) friends has stopped trying to make me feel better since there's no fucking thing they could praise. Should I just give up on this improvement bullshit?
fix that, try to hit the circle better, try to tap them better.rematyar wrote:
you say that until you saw that I missaim every jumps ever created, fingerlock on every triples, and don't even mention streams.
move your cursor on the circle.
if you want to improve, that is.
trying to get better score is not trying to improve. try to do the gameplay better.rematyar wrote:
but I definitely still want an improvement.
it's like trying to get 10/A in a test isn't learning. try to learn/use the things is learning.
focus on gameplay, not stuff that is irrelevantrematyar wrote:
9th of august 2021 i was 53k. and now, 2nd of december 2023 I AM 43K. 10K RANK DIFFERENCE IN 2 YEARS? THAT'S EVEN HELPED BY THE PP REWORK.
why want improve fast, improve is like the best thing of game for this do it slow for be rewarding when you got...
Lolwhat.dung eater wrote:
trying to get better score is not trying to improve. try to do the gameplay better.rematyar wrote:
but I definitely still want an improvement.
it's like trying to get 10/A in a test isn't learning. try to learn/use the things is learning.focus on gameplay, not stuff that is irrelevantrematyar wrote:
9th of august 2021 i was 53k. and now, 2nd of december 2023 I AM 43K. 10K RANK DIFFERENCE IN 2 YEARS? THAT'S EVEN HELPED BY THE PP REWORK.
FIrst of all, a better score can be improvement. Going from 7M to 25M on a 30M-max song NM is an improvement.
Secondly, getting an A on a test is still learning. You are more correct in that it's not really the right kind of learning (memorization rather than actual application), but it still requires you to actually have some retention of what you were taught. And sometimes the test itself is applying what you learned.
Thirdly, I wouldn't call 2 years and only 10K ranks irrelevant, assuming semi-frequent activity across that time. Rema just needs to change his attitude toward the game first.
It might help to have more intention when you play. Figure out what your bottleneck is then focus on fixing it.
Hey, we're almost identical in rank. That's a rarity in these types of threads for me. I don't have a particular advice. osu!'s success is 90% mentality.
One thing I've learned through over 10 years of lurking here and there - rank isn't corelated with skill. Rank is a reward for skill. To give you a bit more insight - if you take a look at my profile, you'll notice that I came back to playing the game after a year of not playing. And through the last three months my rank didn't budge.
But let me tell you, I've improved, like, a lot. The biggest improvements I got was when I didn't get any pp.
And one more thing - if you struggle on a map, shitmiss, misread - leave the map. Find a new one. And another. You have no idea how many maps there are in osu!. I mean, you have but I only really understood it recently.
Notice these little moments, the patterns you've nailed, the map you've already aced, the score you achieved. About a month ago you've got your top 4th score on Uso no Hibana. That's impressive, buddy.
And remember, "pls enjoy game".
One thing I've learned through over 10 years of lurking here and there - rank isn't corelated with skill. Rank is a reward for skill. To give you a bit more insight - if you take a look at my profile, you'll notice that I came back to playing the game after a year of not playing. And through the last three months my rank didn't budge.
But let me tell you, I've improved, like, a lot. The biggest improvements I got was when I didn't get any pp.
And one more thing - if you struggle on a map, shitmiss, misread - leave the map. Find a new one. And another. You have no idea how many maps there are in osu!. I mean, you have but I only really understood it recently.
Notice these little moments, the patterns you've nailed, the map you've already aced, the score you achieved. About a month ago you've got your top 4th score on Uso no Hibana. That's impressive, buddy.
And remember, "pls enjoy game".
Topic Starter
I haven't felt any improvement at all in the past 6 months or so. You can tell where I'm coming from, alright?xgamer1013 wrote:
why want improve fast, improve is like the best thing of game for this do it slow for be rewarding when you got...
If I can describe how I've improved, it's like a lag spike and I'm playing on an ass laptop. There would be times where I feel like I could do everything and thought "Oh shit, I've improved!" And the next day I got fucked by reality once again.
And I've read all the advices, I'll try to integrate it, whether it's gameplay wise or mindset. Thanks!
Well articulated and elegantly put. I second this too as an advise. Rank is the reward for skill gainedTamako Lumisade wrote:
Hey, we're almost identical in rank. That's a rarity in these types of threads for me. I don't have a particular advice. osu!'s success is 90% mentality.
One thing I've learned through over 10 years of lurking here and there - rank isn't corelated with skill. Rank is a reward for skill. To give you a bit more insight - if you take a look at my profile, you'll notice that I came back to playing the game after a year of not playing. And through the last three months my rank didn't budge.
But let me tell you, I've improved, like, a lot. The biggest improvements I got was when I didn't get any pp.
And one more thing - if you struggle on a map, shitmiss, misread - leave the map. Find a new one. And another. You have no idea how many maps there are in osu!. I mean, you have but I only really understood it recently.
Notice these little moments, the patterns you've nailed, the map you've already aced, the score you achieved. About a month ago you've got your top 4th score on Uso no Hibana. That's impressive, buddy.
And remember, "pls enjoy game".
a big part of the bad attitude may be too much focus on results/perfomance metrics and forgetting to focus on the actual gameplay, what the scores and stuff comes from. you do get better if you do a thing repeatedly, but you get better faster if you try to do it better. trying to get a better score misses the point of knowing what you are trying to improve at - score is not relevant at all to anything in the present where you have to try to click the circles better. knowing the mistakes you tend to do and trying your best to do the gameplay correctly where mistakes you want to fix happen will help.Voidedosu wrote:
Lolwhat.dung eater wrote:
trying to get better score is not trying to improve. try to do the gameplay better.rematyar wrote:
but I definitely still want an improvement.
it's like trying to get 10/A in a test isn't learning. try to learn/use the things is learning.focus on gameplay, not stuff that is irrelevantrematyar wrote:
9th of august 2021 i was 53k. and now, 2nd of december 2023 I AM 43K. 10K RANK DIFFERENCE IN 2 YEARS? THAT'S EVEN HELPED BY THE PP REWORK.
FIrst of all, a better score can be improvement. Going from 7M to 25M on a 30M-max song NM is an improvement.
Secondly, getting an A on a test is still learning. You are more correct in that it's not really the right kind of learning (memorization rather than actual application), but it still requires you to actually have some retention of what you were taught. And sometimes the test itself is applying what you learned.
Thirdly, I wouldn't call 2 years and only 10K ranks irrelevant, assuming semi-frequent activity across that time. Rema just needs to change his attitude toward the game first.
I hardly ever check the forums. I just think it's hilarious that there are tons of players that are better than I'll ever be whining about how they can't get better.
its kinda common to see some 'i cant improve aaa'katsucats wrote:
I hardly ever check the forums. I just think it's hilarious that there are tons of players that are better than I'll ever be whining about how they can't get better.
but i like to help =|
btw, we have almost the same numbers in the profile, kinda rare
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Ngl I'm just too focused on "play more = better" which definitely did nothing, lol. So I'll just retry spam the fuck out of jump maps and hope I would get better at aiming (which I never did at all).katsucats wrote:
I hardly ever check the forums. I just think it's hilarious that there are tons of players that are better than I'll ever be whining about how they can't get better.
And I think you could definitely be better than me if you played more consistently? I see that your playing graph's have a lot of up and downs.
2023 4-6 star maps are different than old 4-6 star maps, from a mapping standpoint, so maybe ur not used to farming these new gen maps
also try these:
physical:
consistent 8 hrs sleep
working out (especially forearms)
clean diet
change your setup so you have optimal posture (that includes lower back, wrists, neck etc.)
mental:
good mindset, believe that you can achieve your goals
divide maps into skillsets, dont just look at pp, use strategy to practice maps, dont just f2 all the time
control your emotions, dont get angry at every little shitmiss
habits:
consistency
low stress lifestyle
tldr have fun play more and remember osu is not ur life so chill
but take with a grain of salt, from a mapper who doesnt play the game anymore lol
also try these:
physical:
consistent 8 hrs sleep
working out (especially forearms)
clean diet
change your setup so you have optimal posture (that includes lower back, wrists, neck etc.)
mental:
good mindset, believe that you can achieve your goals
divide maps into skillsets, dont just look at pp, use strategy to practice maps, dont just f2 all the time
control your emotions, dont get angry at every little shitmiss
habits:
consistency
low stress lifestyle
tldr have fun play more and remember osu is not ur life so chill
but take with a grain of salt, from a mapper who doesnt play the game anymore lol
the last 3 months u have literally improved at an average rate, otherwise your rank would be down. that's what your rank staying the same actually means, it means you are gaining pp and skill. you have several "days ago" scores in your top 100, so even if you are lacking in some areas right now compared to before, you aren't doing particularly worse than anyone else. your short-term standards for yourself are too high and you're shrugging off your own accomplishments as if they're nothing. they're not nothing and they're not luck, they're evidence that you're getting somewhere and that your work is paying off. most people cannot FC everything, I am near your rank and I practically specialize in FCing low diffs, and I still don't FC every map. Hell, even 4 digits can shitmiss on an easy map sometimes. Every map is a potential challenge no matter what the SR is, there is no "I should". The consistency will come in time but not if you keep worrying like this. You have been and are improving, lack of perfection isn't evidence against that. If you want to improve at an above-average rate so that your rank improves, you've got to get rid of that garbage mental. What isn't going to help is giving up after seeing results because you're convinced the results aren't there.
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Yeah the original post was me a little burnt out, I can see where you're coming from. And I have a trash mentality, I agree with that one.Happy Satoko wrote:
the last 3 months u have literally improved at an average rate, otherwise your rank would be down. that's what your rank staying the same actually means, it means you are gaining pp and skill. you have several "days ago" scores in your top 100, so even if you are lacking in some areas right now compared to before, you aren't doing particularly worse than anyone else. your short-term standards for yourself are too high and you're shrugging off your own accomplishments as if they're nothing. they're not nothing and they're not luck, they're evidence that you're getting somewhere and that your work is paying off. most people cannot FC everything, I am near your rank and I practically specialize in FCing low diffs, and I still don't FC every map. Hell, even 4 digits can shitmiss on an easy map sometimes. Every map is a potential challenge no matter what the SR is, there is no "I should". The consistency will come in time but not if you keep worrying like this. You have been and are improving, lack of perfection isn't evidence against that. If you want to improve at an above-average rate so that your rank improves, you've got to get rid of that garbage mental. What isn't going to help is giving up after seeing results because you're convinced the results aren't there.
But you know, sometimes when I played a full 1 hour session with 0 fcs whatsoever, that would make me a bit stressed. Is it fine? If I played and failed a map that I usually passed with brilliant acc, what should I think to myself? "This map is too hard for me right now, I should play easier maps instead"? Or something else?
But I feel like thinking like that is just running away from problems. I know what's wrong, I know what's the problem, but I don't know how to fix it. Thus, this thread was written (it's a rant)
You don't have to totally avoid these maps but if they're currently Bs and lower or fails you might want to save them for the end of the session and do your biggest skill push right at the end, at least for now. Then your performance on these maps doesn't impact the rest of the session mentally. As for what to tell yourself right in the moment, if a score is really discouraging, I would just go with "I need to warm up some more before I try this again." I mean yeah, if you're failing the map, you should probably play easier maps. But it's not about running away from these maps, it's about preparing for them. So instead of thinking, "Man, I can't play this map how I used to, but if I don't try it, I'm just running away," think like, "I can't play this map how I used to, but I know a pretty similar map that is a little easier. I'll work up to it" Then it becomes a "training" mentality. Easier said than done in this case but that's my idea.rematyar wrote:
Yeah the original post was me a little burnt out, I can see where you're coming from. And I have a trash mentality, I agree with that one.
But you know, sometimes when I played a full 1 hour session with 0 fcs whatsoever, that would make me a bit stressed. Is it fine? If I played and failed a map that I usually passed with brilliant acc, what should I think to myself? "This map is too hard for me right now, I should play easier maps instead"? Or something else?
But I feel like thinking like that is just running away from problems. I know what's wrong, I know what's the problem, but I don't know how to fix it. Thus, this thread was written (it's a rant)
To add to this with the whole maps you fail part; if you still fail the map after warming up, try it again, see how far you can get. Weed out the parts you fail on, and use it as a tool to discover your weak points. Make new difficulties of the map with segments of the difficulty, practice with nofail, but most importantly, give it all you got. Challenging yourself like that makes your brain desperately try to find solutions, and once it finds it, and you hit that one pattern, that's a new neural pathway for your muscle memory ready to be worked out.Happy Satoko wrote:
You don't have to totally avoid these maps but if they're currently Bs and lower or fails you might want to save them for the end of the session and do your biggest skill push right at the end, at least for now. Then your performance on these maps doesn't impact the rest of the session mentally. As for what to tell yourself right in the moment, if a score is really discouraging, I would just go with "I need to warm up some more before I try this again." I mean yeah, if you're failing the map, you should probably play easier maps. But it's not about running away from these maps, it's about preparing for them. So instead of thinking, "Man, I can't play this map how I used to, but if I don't try it, I'm just running away," think like, "I can't play this map how I used to, but I know a pretty similar map that is a little easier. I'll work up to it" Then it becomes a "training" mentality. Easier said than done in this case but that's my idea.rematyar wrote:
Yeah the original post was me a little burnt out, I can see where you're coming from. And I have a trash mentality, I agree with that one.
But you know, sometimes when I played a full 1 hour session with 0 fcs whatsoever, that would make me a bit stressed. Is it fine? If I played and failed a map that I usually passed with brilliant acc, what should I think to myself? "This map is too hard for me right now, I should play easier maps instead"? Or something else?
But I feel like thinking like that is just running away from problems. I know what's wrong, I know what's the problem, but I don't know how to fix it. Thus, this thread was written (it's a rant)
Your brain likes to be in control, and through repetition it becomes an expert. Once you throw in a wild card and your brain doesn't know what to do, it goes into overdrive, and it's forced to go into problem solving mode. That's gold right there for improvement. Just my two cents.
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Nah, now that anything I played, anything I tried is ALWAYS stressful, I think it's just best for me to go leave anything osu related
And I will conclude that improvement is a myth for me (and that I have a negative personality).
I honestly give up, I don't know what to do. I don't enjoy this game anymore. All these advices are great and would definitely work on the right person. It's just not me, I guess. I should fix this mentality for the sake of myself.
And I will conclude that improvement is a myth for me (and that I have a negative personality).
I honestly give up, I don't know what to do. I don't enjoy this game anymore. All these advices are great and would definitely work on the right person. It's just not me, I guess. I should fix this mentality for the sake of myself.