I lolled. I knew that CTs was medium and called out ALL the scums on D1 lol.
Also CB sayin not to search for association.. I pretty much don't have to for Sakura because Sakura herself was suspicious due to 180flip. No better reads on scum partner isn't exactly right if I called out all the scums on D1. lol.

Just so you knew. I pretty much was planning to keep Leader alive because 3PRs kill in a row is impossible.....
GIF don't you dare fake roleclaim :< you had me suspecting Leader like no tmr until I figured ^out.



GoogleDocSheet:Nobody gives a fuck anymore for N4 and onwards... LOL
probably one of the easiest no-reveal game ever.... if I trusted my D1 reads Q.Q Sry Irre :<

When did I fakeclaim?
All I said was I may or may not be a doctor

Also it was obvious that I wasnt a cop since I dropped a big "hey guys im not a cop" tell D1.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

When did I fakeclaim?
All I said was I may or may not be a doctor

Saying that is literally suicide for Leader because I SUSPECT everything said.. and you were conf town because of your NK so I knid of thought that you might be doc Q.Q I'm just glad I figured out that it's almost impossible for 3PRs to die in a row during night phase..........

If I was actually a doc I wouldn't have done that to pull a possible miracle doc dave.

So yeah.
I dropped that to eat a nk instead of claimed pr.

Finally!

Actually, I lol'd so hard when I was NK.
but good job on lynching wolf N1 everyone.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

So yeah.
I dropped that to eat a nk instead of claimed pr.

You don't see me eating a nightkill lol"(Scums never ever intended to NK me off I bet)... I'm going to bet that ANY game that I play in except IRC(from now on) I'm going to survive till near end-game because I "seem scummy

I just find it weird.. how the Seer role was useless this game even if the Seer survived. CB was like for sure going to get lynched off D3 and Seer couldn't investigate D0 to find out that Nav is scum.

You're not actually scummy.

You're one of those "hilariously anti-town yet obvtown who is very good to keep alive"

actually, "crazy" fits better than "anti-town"

setsuen is good at killing activity with his walls of text that nobody's willing to read

Sephibro wrote:

setsuen is good at killing activity with his walls of text that nobody's willing to read

That's insulting considering that I already called out the entire scum team D1 <.<

Mafia's a team game.
Getting a correct read is one thing, but the ability to effectively communicate is also an important aspect of playing mafia.

Sephibro wrote:

setsuen is good at killing activity with his walls of text that nobody's willing to read

tl;dr lel

Setsuen wrote:

That's insulting considering that I randomly called out the entire scum team D1 <.<

i fixed that for you

yea if nobody believes you your reads are worth less than shit.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Mafia's a team game.
Getting a correct read is one thing, but the ability to effectively communicate is also an important aspect of playing mafia.

Navizel wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

setsuen is good at killing activity with his walls of text that nobody's willing to read

tl;dr lel

Sephibro wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

That's insulting considering that I randomly called out the entire scum team D1 <.<

i fixed that for you

Tanzklaue wrote:

yea if nobody believes you your reads are worth less than shit.

GIF confirmed nicest guy in this thread.

GuyInFreezer wrote:

GIF confirmed nicest guy in this thread.

*Gives GIF nice guy award*

Actually after CB got lynched and no NK occured I was one of the most pro-town player left so they shoudl have pretty much trusted my reads <.<

Sephibro wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

That's insulting considering that I randomly called out the entire scum team D1 <.<

i fixed that for you

I didn't randomly call it out. I kind of knew that they were attacking me to keep me as an easy lynch or to lynch me off D1. I did state that I was suspecting Nav on D1 lol. You DON'T see me suspecting anyone else that much on D1(not enough to call them out as scum team anyway)

I actually derphammered 1 wolf, yay. GG town~

Setsuen wrote:

I lolled. I knew that CTs was medium and called out ALL the scums on D1 lol.
Also CB sayin not to search for association.. I pretty much don't have to for Sakura because Sakura herself was suspicious due to 180flip. No better reads on scum partner isn't exactly right if I called out all the scums on D1. lol.

Just so you knew. I pretty much was planning to keep Leader alive because 3PRs kill in a row is impossible.....
GIF don't you dare fake roleclaim :< you had me suspecting Leader like no tmr until I figured ^out.



GoogleDocSheet:Nobody gives a fuck anymore for N4 and onwards... LOL
probably one of the easiest no-reveal game ever.... if I trusted my D1 reads Q.Q Sry Irre :<

You didn't have to search for my associations, yet you spent like 20 posts doing it. If doing that takes you in 50 different tangents, it's a sign you should completely discount it.

BTW, I thought Sakura had figured out I was a wolf on D1 when she suddenly switched to wagoning Setsuen. That's why I never really bothered to try hinting it.

That said, I agree that play overall was horrible. The first three lynches were horrible. The lynch on Navizel was the least horrible one, but it grew out of nothing so fast that it was much more likely to be on town than scum. The lynches on -kevincela- and me were even worse because they literally were just flash wagons out of nothing. This play is immensely anti-town and it would have been nearly impossible for town to win had we been able to take better advantage of this.

Just to get this out there:

Setsuen, you were never going to be nightkilled. If scum had won this game, you would have been MVP. You were literally WIFOMing the town to death after I died. I wouldn't want to trust your reads when you're going in circles and getting six different conclusions by the end of it. I'd much more likely just discount your reads entirely and focus on everyone else.

BTW, Setsuen, you were nowhere near confirmed town when I died. Anyone who knows my scumgame would know that I'm not going to hesitate to kill a partner to win the game. If anything, that makes you more obvscum than obvtown.

One last thing. Whenever I call someone obvtown as either alignment and I've been around for a while (or will blindly tunnel it to the ground), they're not going to flip scum. This has only ever been wrong in a completed game once, and that was when I was town.

Setsuen wrote:

I didn't randomly call it out. I kind of knew that they were attacking me to keep me as an easy lynch or to lynch me off D1. I did state that I was suspecting Nav on D1 lol. You DON'T see me suspecting anyone else that much on D1(not enough to call them out as scum team anyway)

Your reads were based on basically OMGUS and very little else. You got a scumread on Sakura once she turned on you.

EDIT:

I also played that basically as I would as town. The only significant difference is that I would've cut off the wall war faster as town instead of going on. The only reason I ever stopped was because I was getting fed up and losing interest in the game because of it.

wtf

I know for a fact I noticed something Sakura said that was a fatal scumslip because it randomly hit me while I was at work that day. I can't find it anymore, though.

I actually thought you were town and wanted to buddy you on D1 because your arguments made sense, that's also why I lynched you D3 i didnt realize you were a wolf at all.
Tbh i thought my partner was DD all that time until you died and NKs stopped happening...

The fact that there's a player that wins with wolves but doesnt know who they are and can't NK even if they are dead makes it pretty harsh because it's easy for the mytho to lynch the wolves on accident and then get screwed up due to the innability to NK the most town players, if i could NK i'd have Night killed Setsuen N4 >.>

I gave you the best chance to win I could. I thought it was definitely possible to win when I turned up dead.

I fail to see how ppl didn't realize that DD was obvious town this whole game.

CalignoBot wrote:

I gave you the best chance to win I could. I thought it was definitely possible to win when I turned up dead.

I know you did, but it wasn't enough since i couldn't kill off people like Leader or Setsuen during the night, so the bigger the townbloc formed, the harder it was for me to win since i couldn't do anything about it.

That's why non-nk scum sucks. It's way too challenging, especially if you're the only scum left.

Also night start is pretty bad, Nyquill didn't even get to play!

Still tho no regrets on conceding the game, there's just as much I can do to win, but this setup was just bleh for scum, specially for my role =/

You shouldve claimed a pr.

This set-up needs work in general to fit forum-mafia.

Doctor needs a heavy nerf. Claiming doctor is completely anti-town and the fact that one exists in the set-up at all (dead or alive, doesn't matter) means that cop has free reign to confirm the entire game without fear. Either letting mafia know the role they kill (or even just giving them a one-shot ability to) would help this greatly.

Similar to the above, the town power roles are way too powerful together. A doctor that is effective even after it's killed off along with two information roles, of which one will be 100% confirmed once both wolves are dead (assuming that wolves will end up killing one off). Mafia traitor can't kill, so they're effectively stranded in a mountainous set-up.

I'd suggest two changes:

1. Mafia get to see the roles of the players they kill.
2. Mafia team gets reversed. Traitor keeps their bonuses, but they know who the mafia are as well. Mafia don't know who the traitor is, but they will recruit the traitor if they night-kill them (which loses the traitor bonuses). If both wolves die and traitor is not recruited, they get a night-kill.

This would give mafia a better chance against these power roles, but also gives the power-roles a reason to exist once there are two dead wolves, since the third might have been recruited.

Sakura wrote:

Also night start is pretty bad, Nyquill didn't even get to play!

I spoke with Sephibro a bit about the set-up, and we compromised on giving mafia a head-start because I saw a strategy by town that there's really no reason not to do.

Cop claims D1. Scum must counter-claim.
Medium claims in turn. Scum must counter-claim.

If scum does not counter-claim both roles, town has a strategy that will more likely than not win the game. At the very least, it would be very dull.

Even so, scum has to out two of their three roles. Doctor should NOT protect until there is a confirmed town.

If scum don't kill any PRs, both cops inspect both mediums without lynching (10 alive after this is all done). Then you lynch a cop. Scum HAS to kill either the other cop or a medium. (Killing anyone else will cause one medium to get both results and the other medium to get at least one. That's so much information that the identities of both scum can be reasoned out. It's even worse if the traitor wasn't a CC, because then they have to survive what... 4 mislynches?)
If the cop survives, lynch it. If there's a nightkill, kill the medium. Now you have five players left alive and a free mislynch. Congratulations. If there's not a nightkill, the last PR is confirmed town and you get a grand total of three lynch attempts to get the traitor. They have a 1/4 chance of surviving with random lynches.
If both mediums survive, lynch one. If there's no nightkill, you have seven players alive. Traitor has 1/6 chance of surviving with random lynches. Good luck with that. If there is a nightkill, lynch the other medium. If there is STILL a nightkill, you reach 3p lylo with a nolynch.

There's not really any reason for town not to do this. With a N0 kill, this strategy doesn't work as well since Cop and Medium aren't automatically confirmed upon claiming without a counter-claim.

Technically that's not actually what I thought of at the time (it was something about Cop claiming D1 and Medium claiming D2...), but I wasn't exactly thinking a whole lot about it at the time.

EDIT: Btw, in case anyone was wondering why scum HAS to counter-claim: It's because they can't let town have a confirmed information role. That can fuck them up far much more easily.

I've never liked night starts tbh.

Hey guys I wasn't scum after all

Sakura wrote:

I've never liked night starts tbh.

I don't think it's possible to really balance this with day start unless you significantly reduce town power.

Make doctor unable to protect the same target twice in a row? Make doctor unconsecutive odd/even night?

Insane Doctor?

(Insane Whore! XD)

I was more thinking reduce the amount of times the information roles can use their abilities (2-shot ish), but that could work too. I'm mostly trying to think of ways that reduces the strategy's effectiveness entirely instead of making it more random whether it works or not. With just doctor nerfs to unconsecutive nights, worst case scenario for scum is that they end up taking four nights to kill both seer and medium, which gives town so many more mislynches.

or you could... you know, remove the doc! or give scum a roleblocker.

-kevincela- wrote:

Hey guys I wasn't scum after all

I didn't even suspect you lol... but no one was up for a CB lynch D2 and we had to lynch someone off so I just went with what the majority thought of @.@

Sakura wrote:

or you could... you know, remove the doc! or give scum a roleblocker.

Maybe replace doc with Sentry(watcher)?

Changing to watcher is probably the best option, actually. Watcher has to go public to be effective, so it becomes more an issue of whether mafia want to possibly sacrifice one of their own to eliminate two power roles or not.

Oh hey, i wasn't scum in the end after all either xD

CalignoBot wrote:

Changing to watcher is probably the best option, actually. Watcher has to go public to be effective, so it becomes more an issue of whether mafia want to possibly sacrifice one of their own to eliminate two power roles or not.

So 3 investigative roles for town?

I'm satisfied that I won my very first game, that was nice. Sorry if my actions may have looked annoying/noob-ish (I really lurked a lot..), I hope my next games will be better :3

Regards, your whore

It's hard for a town doctor to be effective on their first game, at least you didnt die N1 like i did on my first game on MS where I was also Town Doctor.

Why is this still sticky'd *stares at the BATs and GMTs*

Unstickied!

-.- thanks caligno
xD

At the end i really couldn't be bothered to Play anymore, those walls were annoying the shit out of me, so i just hammered myself, because that's what i'm good at hue XD

hey sakura now you know how GIF, Dake and I felt

DakeDekaane wrote:

btw, I'd prefer a Caligno/Navizel lynch than a Setsuen/probably Irre lynch.

We have less than a day so, think it carefully.

I remembered this post and lol'd.