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[added] [Proposal - osu!taiko] Adjusting HP guidelines for Kantan/Futsuu & Lower note counts

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aceticke
Title is self-explanatory, I believe the current suggested guidelines in the current ranking criteria lean a little too low for the easiest difficulties and more clarification can be added for every difficulty.

For example, in a Kantan, the current HP guideline is as follows:

HP Drain Rate should be 6 or more. In cases of higher note count, HP Drain Rate could be slightly adjusted to lower than 6.

and my suggestion is to adjust it to the following:

HP Drain Rate should be 8 or more. In cases of higher note count, HP Drain Rate could be slightly adjusted to lower than 8.

This proposal aims to adjust the guideline to what most recent ranked maps are using today, I believe in the case for most beatmaps, this evens out to around +2 to the current guidelines, although a case can also be made for +1.

In a separate but similar proposal, another note could be added for maps of low note counts, similar to the one we already have for beatmaps with higher note counts.

This could be achieved like so:

HP Drain Rate should be 8 or more. In cases of higher note count, HP Drain Rate could be slightly adjusted to lower than 8, and vice versa for lower note counts.

I want to avoid using wording like "higher or lower note counts" as it can be confusing where the HP adjustments apply. Of course, this would apply to all difficulties, not just Kantan and Futsuu.
-Flashlight-
agree
op45667
+1 agreege
maxie
Seems like a good change cuz it would actually be reflective of modern mapping
Ryu Sei
If that's the current standard on taiko mapping, why not?
Hivie
sure
Jonarwhal
agree
BlackBN
7 or more would be better?
Topic Starter
aceticke

BlackBN wrote:

7 or more would be better?
hp7 isn't very common for the majority of kantans tbh (futsuu more likely) but it seems already covered by what's there for maps with higher notes counts
enneya
sounds good
Greenshell
sounds goodge
Burak
it totally makes sense and I agree however before its pushed I'd remove the "slightly" from the wording to not allow misinterpretions, we don't know if people will think its a problem to change the hp by +-2 in cases it makes sense so the new wording would be

HP Drain Rate should be 8 or more. In cases of higher note count, HP Drain Rate could be adjusted to lower than 8.
Topic Starter
aceticke

Burak wrote:

it totally makes sense and I agree however before its pushed I'd remove the "slightly" from the wording to not allow misinterpretions, we don't know if people will think its a problem to change the hp by +-2 in cases it makes sense so the new wording would be

HP Drain Rate should be 8 or more. In cases of higher note count, HP Drain Rate could be adjusted to lower than 8.
Perhaps, however it's been in the RC for a while, will discuss when it gets made into a PR
Hivie
after some internal discussion, the taiko nat decided to expand on this proposal to include kantan/futsuu od and muzu hp, because implementing this as-is doesn't solve the bigger problem which is the RC being misrepresentative of suggested diff settings:

current settings: (very inaccurate)
- kantan: od4 hp6
- futsuu: od5 hp5
- muzu: od5 hp5

settings + this proposal as-is: (still inaccurate + weird progression)
- kantan: od4 hp8
- futsuu: od5 hp7
- muzu: od5 hp5

proposed change: (matches this proposal + our current standards)
- kantan: od3 hp8
- futsuu: od4 hp7
- muzu: od5 hp6
Hivie
is merged
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