learning to not bottom out is hard
why is this game so hardddd
why is this game so hardddd
The shit you say. Elitist please go.Wishy wrote:
if you are a bad player you will stay there no matter what you use.
Browns + o-rings = op for learning to not bottom out.Soulg wrote:
learning to not bottom out is hard
why is this game so hardddd
Are you even trying? Due to the lack of information in your post I'm going to make a plausible assumption: this fucker uses a special technique that takes advantage of browns and their thing with feeling the keys register. Switching to reds will naturally throw him of for a bit so he'll have to make some effort to adopt in order to get the full potential of reds. If my assumption is correc then his half-assed attempt at "trying reds" doesn't show jackshit.YayMii wrote:
All of the points you've been making are completely irrelevant to the original topic in question. OP asked for Reds vs Browns, not Reds vs Blues. As far as I know, none of the pros you've mentioned use Browns (except for WWW, but that's beside the point).
And if all you're going to do is use pro players as examples for your argument, I'll do the same:
Meet Staiain. He's considered one of, if not the best StepMania and osu!mania 4K player in the world, although he does play a bit of standard mode on the side (not quite pro level though). He uses Browns.
Here's a video of him FCing an unranked endless-stream version of Freedom Dive on osu!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecyNfc4cA7Y (you can find more impressive SM plays on his channel)
I'll just throw this quote in here too: "The thing with brown is, you can feel when the key registers, so you can play fast stuff without bottoming out the buttons while still having control. this is harder with red and black." (control is more important in SM though, since there's 4 individual note keys and the timing windows work differently)
He also said it himself that he plays faster with Browns than with Reds, although comparing the two are pretty much personal preference (due to them being identical aside from the bump).
The shit you say. Elitist please go.Stop being a pussy and accept that you are terrible. The world doesn't revolve around you and isn't forced to suck on your dick 24/7.
All switches are good in their own respects really. Blues give that click which some players use to help reinforce their timing. Blacks due to their weight can help you hit slower to hit more consistently. Browns have a smooth bump which can be felt to not bottom out and conserve energy and go faster. Reds just don't have anything to prevent your fingers from doing what they do so a lot of people enjoy them because of this freedom. Of course nothing is going to make you better, but stuff that isn't comfortable for you to play with can really hold you back. Reds aren't the best switch because everyone plays differently. Everything has their strength and weaknesses. With blues that click can irritate some people, with blacks the switches can be too heavy and nerf your stamina a lot, browns can feel a bit sticky on the inputs at times. Reds can feel like it's giving no feedback so it's really difficult to control what your fingers are doing plus you can waste a lot of energy due to bottoming out since there's nothing to stop you.No, they aren't. reds are best, read previous posts before posting.
i think sm players are best with blues. (only few people use red.) personally i prefer red sw.YayMii wrote:
All of the points you've been making are completely irrelevant to the original topic in question. OP asked for Reds vs Browns, not Reds vs Blues. As far as I know, none of the pros you've mentioned use Browns (except for WWW, but that's beside the point).
And if all you're going to do is use pro players as examples for your argument, I'll do the same:
Meet Staiain. He's considered one of, if not the best StepMania and osu!mania 4K player in the world, although he does play a bit of standard mode on the side (not quite pro level though). He uses Browns.
Here's a video of him FCing an unranked endless-stream version of Freedom Dive on osu!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecyNfc4cA7Y (you can find more impressive SM plays on his channel)
I'll just throw this quote in here too: "The thing with brown is, you can feel when the key registers, so you can play fast stuff without bottoming out the buttons while still having control. this is harder with red and black." (control is more important in SM though, since there's 4 individual note keys and the timing windows work differently)
He also said it himself that he plays faster with Browns than with Reds, although comparing the two are pretty much personal preference (due to them being identical aside from the bump).
Look through his YouTube videos. He did use a Corsair Vengeance K95 (Red) exclusively for several months, and you can see that he made several videos while using them, before reaffirming his preference for his Qpad MK-50 (Brown). I would hardly consider that much time as a "half-assed attempt".StormR1d3r wrote:
Are you even trying? Due to the lack of information in your post I'm going to make a plausible assumption: this fucker uses a special technique that takes advantage of browns and their thing with feeling the keys register. Switching to reds will naturally throw him of for a bit so he'll have to make some effort to adopt in order to get the full potential of reds. If my assumption is correc then his half-assed attempt at "trying reds" doesn't show jackshit.
Yeah, Freedom Dive is actually quite slow compared to a lot of stuff you can find on SM (which can reach somewhere around 260-270bpm IIRC).[FX] AEM wrote:
i think sm players are best with blues. (only few people use red.) personally i prefer red sw.
freedomdive only 220bpm. << i must say this is easy for him.
Yep get redsiSpR1Te wrote:
Reds because they are linear and the lightest. Most people will agree that linear switches are best for osu!, but at the end of the day it's preference.
freedomdive only 220bpm. << i must say this is easy for him.222.2*
Stop being a pussy and accept that you are terrible.
He's slower with Reds because he's playing a different rhythm game. As I said, Browns provide more control, which is much more important in StepMania than raw stamina. He's not mashing on 2 buttons that do the same thing, so having keys that have no feedback at the actuation point or that are easy to accidentally press (which is one downside to Reds) would only have a negative effect on his play. He already has stamina that is comparable, if not better than, rrtyui's (who still uses Blues and still has #1 ranks on maps like the Stream Compilation), I don't see why he should be forced to completely relearn how to play just to somehow prove your point.StormR1d3r wrote:
Reds are far more conveniant in terms of stamina due to them being lighter than browns. It seems the only reason he is slower while using reds is because he hasn't adjusted his technique. Using reds for months in no way implies he has made the proper effort to overcome this problem. Your conjecture has done nothing to contradict my thesis.
The stamina benefits from Reds don't mean a thing if you already have more than enough stamina to get through the fastest, most tiring maps in the game without getting fatigued.this.
You could not sound more conceited.StormR1d3r wrote:
Two words: that's irrelevant. We are talking about osu, not stepmania.
Either try again or reword what you said.
What does showing my rank in a terrible system could possibly imply ? Although I doubt it is anything thoughtful or interesting could you explain anyway ?you must be mistaken as to the accuracy of tp
I can get half-assed top50 scores on newly ranked maps and make my tp rank a lot higher. That's an obvious sign of a terrible system.lol and get almost no tp because they are easy
And you still haven't said what this implies. Quit wasting time.
There's more to skill than pressing keys as fast as possible for as long as possible. Control is still needed for osu!, just not to the same extent as Stepmania since you're dealing with two keys that do the same thing. It still helps for things like HardRock, or maps that have unusual rhythm patterns, or simply just going for SSes. Basically, it just benefits overall consistency. Not saying you can't be consistent with Reds though, as proven by players like thelewa.StormR1d3r wrote:
"browns provide more control"
what does "more control" mean in osu?
You said its important in stepmania than stamina but you didn't say if the same is with osu, whatever "control" is.
I can't think of anything more helpful than a speed/stamina boost for your left hand, which reds are better for than browns.
I don't know how he could adjust his technique for more stamina/speed when he's already capable of playing the most straining songs in the game with Reds.StormR1d3r wrote:
"I don't see why he should be forced to completely relearn how to play.."
he needs a bit of time to adjust his technique while using reds if he wants to gain more speed/stamina. Shouldn't take long at all.
Because there is no definitive proof proving that they are. Most of the top-tier players haven't even used Browns. Not because they aren't as good, but because they aren't as common.StormR1d3r wrote:
"I'm not denying that Reds can provide the most stamina."
then why can't you accept that reds > browns for osu ?
Aside from the DoubleTime scores that rrtyui (and very few others) have achieved, there's really nothing that compares to what you can find on StepMania (I'm talking 1hr-2hr long marathon maps with endless streams). The osu! Stream Compilation would probably be one of the only ranked examples that really tests a player's stamina, simply because of how long it is. Other than that, there's the obvious Big Black and Freedom Dive, but those are also demanding on cursor aim, so the scores on there don't purely reflect stamina. There are much more strenuous unranked maps, but a lot of those (like Slotcore is Dead) also require aiming skills, so it isn't fair to use them as examples.StormR1d3r wrote:
"The stamina benefits from Reds don't mean a thing if you already have more than enough stamina to get through the fastest, most tiring maps in the game without getting fatigued."
Ah, more bullshit. Which are the fastest, most tiring maps in osu? Speed and stamina play a major role in osu which reds are better for than browns. That's all that matters.
"And to be completely honest, you really haven't been making any points other than supposedly calling out my "bullshit" and claiming that they're better because of WubWoofWolf and Cookiezi. At least try to defend your position before making accusations."I am, by showing how silly your arguments are.
"There's more to skill than pressing keys as fast as possible for as long as possible. Control is still needed for osu!, just not to the same extent as Stepmania since you're dealing with two keys that do the same thing. It still helps for things like HardRock, or maps that have unusual rhythm patterns, or simply just going for SSes. Basically, it just benefits overall consistency. Not saying you can't be consistent with Reds though, as proven by players like thelewa."So control=consistency? Consistency in what ? Accuracy? that's all in the persons head. Unusual rhythm patters ? that's again all in the persons head.
"I don't know how he could adjust his technique for more stamina/speed when he's already capable of playing the most straining songs in the game with Reds."Then why are you using a guy who never bothered to utilize the full potential of reds in order to somehow prove your point that its "all preference" ?
"Aside from the DoubleTime scores that rrtyui (and very few others) have achieved, there's really nothing that compares to what you can find on StepMania (I'm talking 1hr-2hr long marathon maps with endless streams). The osu! Stream Compilation would probably be one of the only ranked examples that really tests a player's stamina, simply because of how long it is. Other than that, there's the obvious Big Black and Freedom Dive, but those are also demanding on cursor aim, so the scores on there don't purely reflect stamina."Big black isn't harsh on stamina and SC has tons of breaks so don't count them in. Nobody aside cookiezi has FCed FD so that shows how harsh this map is stamina-wise. Stamina and speed play a major role in this game and reds benefit them more than browns due to reds being lighter. Unless you point out something that browns help with which is also a major part in this game then you can't prove anything.
Because there is no definitive proof proving that they are. Most of the top-tier players haven't even used Browns. Not because they aren't as good, but because they aren't as common.Reds are lighter than browns which help with stamina, a major aspect of osu. That's your proof and that's all that matters.
And FYI, stamina is not the same as speed.speed comes from stamina tho
I am, by showing how silly your arguments are."lol no youre wrong, heres why i think so based on anecdotal evidence with no actual facts to back it up"
Soulg wrote:
I am, by showing how silly your arguments are."lol no youre wrong, heres why i think so based on anecdotal evidence with no actual facts to back it up"
Like it or not that's true, you are not going to be good just because you change your keyboard or your mouse/tablet, or you think you actually will magically become good because you got red switches instead of blacks?Dexus wrote:
The shit you say. Elitist please go.Wishy wrote:
if you are a bad player you will stay there no matter what you use.
If you can't agree that having an additional sense to determine when your button press is being recognized in the game won't help your accuracy, then there's no point even saying anything more. There's a reason that SM players often recommend Blues for beginners despite them being terrible for stamina (mainly because accuracy is hands-down more important at lower levels than stamina is).StormR1d3r wrote:
"There's more to skill than pressing keys as fast as possible for as long as possible. Control is still needed for osu!, just not to the same extent as Stepmania since you're dealing with two keys that do the same thing. It still helps for things like HardRock, or maps that have unusual rhythm patterns, or simply just going for SSes. Basically, it just benefits overall consistency. Not saying you can't be consistent with Reds though, as proven by players like thelewa."So control=consistency? Consistency in what ? Accuracy? that's all in the persons head. Unusual rhythm patters ? that's again all in the persons head.
SSes ? Same thing, nothing reds or browns help with. Unless you meant something different, and if so, then explain.
I didn't say "why", I said "how". If he can already use both switches for maps that are the most demanding on stamina, there's not really any way he can adjust any further.StormR1d3r wrote:
"I don't know how he could adjust his technique for more stamina/speed when he's already capable of playing the most straining songs in the game with Reds."Then why are you using a guy who never bothered to utilize the full potential of reds in order to somehow prove your point that its "all preference" ?
How does this show any meaningful information ?
Maybe Big Black was a bad example. But I've already made my point about Browns above. Also, Freedom Dive isn't that fair of an example either (as I've already mentioned), as it is entirely just spaced streams, which also require good aim.StormR1d3r wrote:
Big black isn't harsh on stamina and SC has tons of breaks so don't count them in. Nobody aside cookiezi has FCed FD so that shows how harsh this map is stamina-wise. Stamina and speed play a major role in this game and reds benefit them more than browns due to reds being lighter. Unless you point out something that browns help with which is also a major part in this game then you can't prove anything.
Mad Machine is a good example here. This is a very short 270BPM map. This requires speed, but doesn't require stamina. They're not the same thing.StormR1d3r wrote:
And FYI, stamina is not the same as speed.speed comes from stamina tho
Keyboards 4 lyfeSoarezi wrote:
what the fark is going on lmfao
"What should I eat, junk food or healthy real food?"actually a perfect analogy, well done
"Well the best you can do is eat healthy real food yet if you prefer eating junk food then it's up to you, it's gonna be easier to stay healthy if you eat actual food tho, yet you are gonna be able to be healthy anyways by eating on McDonalds."
Exactly, it is in the person's head. If you were to PERFECTLY adapt to reds where you have flawless accuracy with them because you perfectly understand the actuation point, then cool. That's impossible though, and some people will have more trouble than others adapting. Those people that have trouble adapting may use browns better, even in the long run.StormR1d3r wrote:
So control=consistency? Consistency in what ? Accuracy? that's all in the persons head. Unusual rhythm patters ? that's again all in the persons head.
SSes ? Same thing, nothing reds or browns help with. Unless you meant something different, and if so, then explain.
black switch masterraceHula wrote:
I use blacks, can I join?