OstrichSupreme wrote:

M4M here

Easy

00:16:322 (7) - New combo ( adjust the rest of the next combo accordingly) fixed
00:56:952 (4) - this note is half off the playing field, some players with smaller resolutions may be cut off fixed
01:02:144 - add a note here for flow fixed
01:05:929 - ^ fixed
Due to this song not having any distinct break area, I think the break should end here > 01:17:267 sorry, no change
If not, the only appropriate way to break would be for it to end here > 01:29:078 - , but that is a LONG break!

Normal

00:23:645 - Add note here fixed
00:24:590 - ^ fixed
00:27:425 (2) - Flows well with this slider repeating once, adjusting spacing after would be wise you're right, fixed


Hard

00:33:330 (6) - New combo fixed
00:36:519 (2) - bad spacing, even for a hard diff, this is usually what would happen in insane sorry, no change - even if it's Hard, it is still the biggest difficulty, so I have to do it a little bit harder than a usual Hard diff
There are a few spacing issues on this diff, so just be careful to not go overboard with your spacing thank you for your advice

GL

[ Karen ] wrote:

M4M here

[Easy]
00:35:220 (2) - Distance fixed
01:11:126 (5) - New combo (Easy difficulty is not suitable for) fixed (I put the NC earlier due to rhythm)
00:45:614 (1) - Distance fixed
00:58:842 (1) - ^ ^
01:25:299 (1) - ^ ^
01:29:078 (1) - ^? ^
01:38:527 (2) - ^? ^

>> Good rhythm and a good clean placement thank you ^^

[Normal]
No problem

[Hard]
00:54:708 (3) - The distance is too far.. fixed
01:54:118 - 01:56:952 - rhythm is good but monotonous placement

Feverie wrote:

[Easy]

00:09:708 (1) - Slider is not that neat, consider fixing fixed
00:11:598 (3) - Fix the end of the slider fixed
00:11:598 (3) - and 00:13:960 (5) - overlap slightly try moving 00:13:960 (5) sorry, no change
00:38:055 (1) - Try to change the begging of the slider to make it look better. sorry, no change
00:57:897 (5,6,1) - Make these go across the x axis in a straight line fixed
01:01:677 (3) - Try to line this up with to. It is slightly off at the moment fixed
01:12:070 (4,5) - Not lined up completely sorry, no change
01:39:472 (3,4) - overlap, please fix fixed

Good Luck

Yuyuko suki wrote:

Normal:
00:14:433 (2) - Reduce radian sorry, no change
00:21:519 (6) - To do better and consider end of 00:19:630 (4) fixed
01:02:622 (1) - Reduce radian sorry, no change
01:29:078 (1) - surrond 01:28:606 (2) fixed

Good Luck!

18:01 -Bakari-: hey!
18:01 deejaydray: hello ^^
18:02 -Bakari-: will you mind a little IRC mod? :)
18:02 *-Bakari- is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/354337 Alexandra Stan - Mr. Saxobeat [Hard]]
18:02 deejaydray: oh, sure no problem, but i have a question ;s
18:02 -Bakari-: yeah, feel free to ask anything you want :)
18:02 deejaydray: can u tell me some details, i've never participated in a IRC mod before
18:02 deejaydray: e.e
18:03 -Bakari-: i'll make some quick in-game suggsteions 
18:03 -Bakari-: and then post the log in the thread
18:04 deejaydray: oh , cool ^^
18:04 -Bakari-: first of all, let's start with some general things
18:04 -Bakari-: remove "alexandra stan mr saxobeat album" from the tags. there's no need to keep them here!
18:05 -Bakari-: I don't think that you really need to keep the word "album" here, it's not really related to the song
18:05 deejaydray: oh, because the name is already the same ?
18:05 -Bakari-: yeah
18:05 deejaydray: okay ^^
18:06 -Bakari-: it'd be better to find a 1024x768 or 1366x768 BG because these are recommended sizes for the backgrounds
18:07 -Bakari-: the next thing that REALLY needs to be fixed is the combo colours. :< they're different now, you can fix them by editing your .osu files
18:07 deejaydray: I could find that one, but [ in my screen at least ] when i play the song, the picture is zoomed in 
18:08 -Bakari-: was it a 16:9 bg or..?
18:09 deejaydray: it was 700 x 700, but i had to edit it, so i mad it 800 x 700 adding some black color on the outside
18:09 deejaydray: because of that zoom in 
18:09 -Bakari-: that's because osu! conflicts with this kind of BGs :(
18:09 deejaydray: anyway, I will check a 1024x768 wallpaper, dont worry ^^
18:10 -Bakari-: cool, now let's go on, then
18:10 deejaydray: oh and btw
18:10 deejaydray: what's with the colors ? o.o
18:10 deejaydray: they can't be differet ?
18:10 deejaydray: different*
18:10 -Bakari-: they can ONLY IF you use different backgrounds or have guest diffs
18:11 -Bakari-: otherwise, it's a rule, and you have to keep them consistent :(
18:11 deejaydray: oh i see... i'm gonna fix them :)
18:12 -Bakari-: we're done with the general part, now let's move to the [Easy] :)
18:12 -Bakari-: I've already testplayed it and I didn't really liked it because of "too linear" patterns 
18:13 -Bakari-: sorry, but I'm just sharing my opinion and trying to be honest
18:13 -Bakari-: don't worry, I will try to explain what can we improve :)
18:13 deejaydray: oh... ;c but "linear" patterns are my fav...
18:14 -Bakari-: it's your style, that's okay ><
18:14 -Bakari-: but we can make them a bit prettier!
18:15 deejaydray: ok ^^
18:15 -Bakari-: speaking about your easy diff, I'd reduce Hp drain by one tick to make it a bit easier. so beginners won't have so many problems with passing it
18:15 -Bakari-: 00:19:157 (3,4,5) - doesn't looks really intuitive/readable for a beginne, I think. 
18:16 -Bakari-: Basically, what beginners do is clicking on the nearest object they see and trying to do it to the beat. 
18:16 -Bakari-: So, they might miss (4) just because (5) is closer :<
18:16 deejaydray: oh i see
18:16 deejaydray: yes, indeed... i'm fixing now
18:17 -Bakari-: 00:28:133 (2,3,4) - well, it's not even a suggestion, but still
18:17 -Bakari-: we can clearly hear "DOWN" in the lyrics
18:17 -Bakari-: so, it'd be logical to move (4) down or make it a slider and make it go down :D
18:18 -Bakari-: so, try to follow not only the beat, but match it with the lyrics as well. but don't go too far, playability should be on the 1st place :)
18:18 deejaydray: lol
18:18 deejaydray: i've never thought about that XD
18:20 -Bakari-: 01:06:401 (1,2) - I'm not a big fan of such sliders, because playres normally don't expect the second repeat and it's pretty hard to notice it in time ><
18:20 -Bakari-: nevertheless, it actually fits the song and it's rankable. so, if you want to keep them - do it. wanna change - go ahead and make me happy! <3
18:21 deejaydray: hmm, i can replace the second repeat part with a circle, so there shouldn't be any problems ^^
18:21 -Bakari-: 01:24:826 (4,1,2,3) - well, this pattern doesn't look linear at all! I think it looks kinda unusual here and may confuse players
18:23 -Bakari-: if you choose some style, try to follow it through the whole diff/map. otherwise some patterns appear random :(
18:24 -Bakari-: 02:15:377 (3,4,5) - the same thing about "clicking on the nearest circle" happens here, I guess
18:24 deejaydray: i'm gonna reverse this 01:26:244 (2) then
18:25 -Bakari-: 02:01:204 (1,2,3,4) - I guess you've used some copy-paste here, haven't you? :c
18:26 deejaydray: yup but it's mirrored
18:26 deejaydray: :3
18:26 -Bakari-: that's okay, but I'd prefer to see something different here instead. even though this part sounds just like the previous kiai, it'd be better to make something different
18:26 -Bakari-: anyway, just try to note it for your future maps, please 
18:26 deejaydray: okay ^^
18:26 -Bakari-: uh, and a couple more things
18:27 -Bakari-: your comboing seems to be a bit irregular
18:27 -Bakari-: if I'm not mistaken, you're trying to follow the background music
18:28 deejaydray: yep, i dont follow the lyrics
18:28 deejaydray: i follow the beats
18:28 deejaydray: but that is not "irregular"
18:28 deejaydray: o.o
18:28 -Bakari-: it's cool, but it's better if you try to keep combos ~the same length
18:29 -Bakari-: 00:16:322 (1,2) - this short combo actually feels kinda "extra" here
18:29 deejaydray: it looks "extra" because there is a little break behind
18:29 deejaydray: :]
18:30 deejaydray: the combo would be too long if i didnt use "NC" there...
18:30 -Bakari-: technically, it's okay. so let's leave it as it is :) 
18:32 -Bakari-: by the way, how about a few suggestions which will probably help you to make your patterns a bit mre playable? 
18:33 -Bakari-: I'm asking, because it's a kinda controversal thing and people still argue about flow in maps :D
18:33 deejaydray: sure, i'm listening
18:33 -Bakari-: 00:43:724 (3,4,1) - this pattern is actuall fie and rankable, but for some reason it doesn't plays very good to me
18:35 -Bakari-: here it is important to think about flow
18:35 -Bakari-: it is quite natural for players, to go on moving their hands like [http://puu.sh/6lHNo.jpg this]
18:35 deejaydray: oh ... wow
18:36 -Bakari-: and it feels kinda unpleasant to "change" the direction of a move so fast as it happens in your pattern
18:36 deejaydray: there are so many "hard" things to remember for an Easy diff
18:36 deejaydray: XD
18:36 deejaydray: kinda ironic 
18:36 -Bakari-: well, it applys to every diff, I think
18:36 deejaydray: i dont think this would be a problem in a hard diff for example
18:37 -Bakari-: take a look at this https://osu.ppy.sh/news/61334266941
18:39 deejaydray: oh, didnt see that before
18:43 deejaydray: i'm going to accept most of the things that look good to me as well, especially because i have no experience in modding
18:44 deejaydray: so it would be better for me to listen to others' opinions :)
18:48 deejaydray: i've seen maps that have a very "nice looking" flow, but i've also seen maps that don't have a flow at all, but still ranked >.>
18:48 deejaydray: it's so frustrating
18:49 -Bakari-: rules changes, and so do patterns :P
18:50 -Bakari-: of course, it's better to improve your style by looking at newwer maps, but no one can't stop you from enjoying elder ones :)
18:51 deejaydray: hehe, true
18:51 deejaydray: oh btw
18:51 deejaydray: how did u find this map  ? :]
18:51 -Bakari-: oh well, i got carried away from the map, sorry. I guess you'd prefer to read something helpful about your map 
18:52 -Bakari-: the Easy diff is pretty sweet, but I can't say the same about your hard ;_;
18:52 deejaydray: so "hard" is salty XDD
18:53 -Bakari-: let me test it once again, maybe I didn't get something :D
18:54 deejaydray: ok, meantime i'm gonna search a new BG ^^
18:56 deejaydray: oh i have a question about SB
18:57 deejaydray: can i put my name on the BG image? i saw that others do this :]
18:57 -Bakari-: people normally do it when they make collab maps
18:57 -Bakari-: so, people know who made which part
18:57 deejaydray: oh i see
18:57 -Bakari-: here, when the whole map is done by yourself, it would be strange :P
18:58 deejaydray: what do u think about this BG ?
18:58 deejaydray: http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/1024x768/alexandra-stan-with-akg-headphones.jpg
18:58 -Bakari-: awww, that's perfect
18:58 deejaydray: ^^
18:59 -Bakari-: try to remove that "downloaded from" from your bg ;_;/
19:00 deejaydray: already did
19:00 deejaydray: XDD
19:00 deejaydray: but i cannot remove "alexandra stan"
19:00 deejaydray: because it's on her hand LOL
19:01 -Bakari-: ok, I've figured out why it was so confusing :D
19:01 -Bakari-: you didn't change slider velocity at all :D 
19:01 -Bakari-: all three diffs has the same SV, whyyy? ;_;
19:02 deejaydray: i didn't know i must change the SV 
19:02 deejaydray: o.o
19:02 deejaydray: i thought i can let the same SV
19:02 -Bakari-: well, yes, but WHY? ;_;
19:03 -Bakari-: it's actually boring for experienced players to play somewthing with SV 1.2 
19:04 -Bakari-: it is technically rankable, but I don't think that people would rank it :<
19:04 deejaydray: mehhh seriously? .___.
19:04 deejaydray: i cant change it now because it would mean i have to rework the entire diff
19:05 -Bakari-: well, I'd ask some BATs for a testplay and then I'd ask them if it's actually possible to get it ranked
19:05 deejaydray: most of BATs would say "sry no time"...
19:05 -Bakari-: but come ooon, there're so many reasons to avoid using that SV
19:05 -Bakari-: first of all
19:06 -Bakari-: SV/AR are UNBALLANCED. Totally! D: Circles appear really quickly and then sliders go reeeeeeeeeeally slow
19:07 deejaydray: 1.2 is not "reaaaaaaly slow" XDD
19:07 deejaydray: it's not like i used 0.8 or smth
19:08 -Bakari-: for majority of the community, it is :D
19:08 -Bakari-: oh, and what's up with these spacing changes? 01:41:362 (2,3,4,1) - here, for example
19:09 deejaydray: well i thought i can use any space i want on hard diff
19:09 deejaydray: it's the most difficult diff on this mapset afterall...
19:11 -Bakari-: well, you should keep the spacing changes reasonable and intuitive
19:11 -Bakari-: and pleeeeeeease, don't make them too hard. It's still a Hard diff, not Insane! 
19:11 deejaydray: "intuitive" in hard ??? lol
19:11 deejaydray: i've never seen this
19:12 deejaydray: yes but in my case, this hard is like a hard-insane
19:12 deejaydray: something between hard and insane...
19:12 deejaydray: if i used only the normal distance snap, it would be the boringest hard ever
19:12 deejaydray: e,e
19:13 -Bakari-: that's because of the SV :D
19:13 -Bakari-: It's okay to use jumps/antijumps but they should fit with the music/vocals!
19:14 deejaydray: so what SV should i use on hard/insane diffs ?
19:15 -Bakari-: I can't tell you the exact Sv, but I'd make it a bit faster. 
19:15 -Bakari-: oh, and about making patterns intuitive
19:15 -Bakari-: does [http://puu.sh/6lJcf.jpg this] look intuite/readable to you? :)
19:16 deejaydray: yes it does
19:17 -Bakari-: that's what I'm talking about, the structure
19:17 -Bakari-: your diff isn't really easy to undestand, huh? :)
19:18 deejaydray: that was my point, to make it harder , harder than a normal HARD diff...
19:18 deejaydray: thats why i used "un-readable" and "un-intuitive" objects
19:18 -Bakari-: usually, we use SV and 1/4 patterns :P
19:20 deejaydray: so i guess i will have to re-work the hard...
19:20 deejaydray: perfect >.>
19:20 -Bakari-: 01:04:039 - 01:04:984 - 01:05:929 - why didn't you map these beats, btw?
19:20 deejaydray: because i wanted it to sound just like the sliders before them :]
19:21 deejaydray: 00:59:315 (2,3,4,5) - 
19:21 deejaydray: like these
19:21 -Bakari-: well, that's clearly not what players are used to :D
19:22 -Bakari-: 00:13:960 - 00:14:905 - well, that'd be a nice idea to place a circle here. so, it'll be a triplet 
19:23 deejaydray: it doesnt sound good to me :s
19:23 -Bakari-: I'm telling you, that it'd be a good idea to use different SV for a Hard diff and to re-work it, yeah
19:24 -Bakari-: but I'm not forcing you to do it :<
19:24 deejaydray: you're not, but the BAT will  XDD
19:24 -Bakari-: well, I hate saying that kind of stuff
19:25 deejaydray: ok, so i got it, bigger SV and not so many -weird jumps- except these, what should i change?
19:26 -Bakari-: well, if you still feel like keeping your linar style, nothing else. :P
19:27 deejaydray: ok, gonna start the rework soon ;3
19:27 -Bakari-: keep looking at other people's maps and try to experiment with your patterns!
19:28 deejaydray: k i will ^^
19:28 -Bakari-: hope you understand it a bit better now ><

-Bakari- wrote:

We've done an IRC mod.

IRC log

18:01 -Bakari-: hey!
18:01 deejaydray: hello ^^
18:02 -Bakari-: will you mind a little IRC mod? :)
18:02 *-Bakari- is editing [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/354337 Alexandra Stan - Mr. Saxobeat [Hard]]
18:02 deejaydray: oh, sure no problem, but i have a question ;s
18:02 -Bakari-: yeah, feel free to ask anything you want :)
18:02 deejaydray: can u tell me some details, i've never participated in a IRC mod before
18:02 deejaydray: e.e
18:03 -Bakari-: i'll make some quick in-game suggsteions 
18:03 -Bakari-: and then post the log in the thread
18:04 deejaydray: oh , cool ^^
18:04 -Bakari-: first of all, let's start with some general things
18:04 -Bakari-: remove "alexandra stan mr saxobeat album" from the tags. there's no need to keep them here!
18:05 -Bakari-: I don't think that you really need to keep the word "album" here, it's not really related to the song
18:05 deejaydray: oh, because the name is already the same ?
18:05 -Bakari-: yeah
18:05 deejaydray: okay ^^
18:06 -Bakari-: it'd be better to find a 1024x768 or 1366x768 BG because these are recommended sizes for the backgrounds
18:07 -Bakari-: the next thing that REALLY needs to be fixed is the combo colours. :< they're different now, you can fix them by editing your .osu files
18:07 deejaydray: I could find that one, but [ in my screen at least ] when i play the song, the picture is zoomed in 
18:08 -Bakari-: was it a 16:9 bg or..?
18:09 deejaydray: it was 700 x 700, but i had to edit it, so i mad it 800 x 700 adding some black color on the outside
18:09 deejaydray: because of that zoom in 
18:09 -Bakari-: that's because osu! conflicts with this kind of BGs :(
18:09 deejaydray: anyway, I will check a 1024x768 wallpaper, dont worry ^^
18:10 -Bakari-: cool, now let's go on, then
18:10 deejaydray: oh and btw
18:10 deejaydray: what's with the colors ? o.o
18:10 deejaydray: they can't be differet ?
18:10 deejaydray: different*
18:10 -Bakari-: they can ONLY IF you use different backgrounds or have guest diffs
18:11 -Bakari-: otherwise, it's a rule, and you have to keep them consistent :(
18:11 deejaydray: oh i see... i'm gonna fix them :)
18:12 -Bakari-: we're done with the general part, now let's move to the [Easy] :)
18:12 -Bakari-: I've already testplayed it and I didn't really liked it because of "too linear" patterns 
18:13 -Bakari-: sorry, but I'm just sharing my opinion and trying to be honest
18:13 -Bakari-: don't worry, I will try to explain what can we improve :)
18:13 deejaydray: oh... ;c but "linear" patterns are my fav...
18:14 -Bakari-: it's your style, that's okay ><
18:14 -Bakari-: but we can make them a bit prettier!
18:15 deejaydray: ok ^^
18:15 -Bakari-: speaking about your easy diff, I'd reduce Hp drain by one tick to make it a bit easier. so beginners won't have so many problems with passing it
18:15 -Bakari-: 00:19:157 (3,4,5) - doesn't looks really intuitive/readable for a beginne, I think. 
18:16 -Bakari-: Basically, what beginners do is clicking on the nearest object they see and trying to do it to the beat. 
18:16 -Bakari-: So, they might miss (4) just because (5) is closer :<
18:16 deejaydray: oh i see
18:16 deejaydray: yes, indeed... i'm fixing now
18:17 -Bakari-: 00:28:133 (2,3,4) - well, it's not even a suggestion, but still
18:17 -Bakari-: we can clearly hear "DOWN" in the lyrics
18:17 -Bakari-: so, it'd be logical to move (4) down or make it a slider and make it go down :D
18:18 -Bakari-: so, try to follow not only the beat, but match it with the lyrics as well. but don't go too far, playability should be on the 1st place :)
18:18 deejaydray: lol
18:18 deejaydray: i've never thought about that XD
18:20 -Bakari-: 01:06:401 (1,2) - I'm not a big fan of such sliders, because playres normally don't expect the second repeat and it's pretty hard to notice it in time ><
18:20 -Bakari-: nevertheless, it actually fits the song and it's rankable. so, if you want to keep them - do it. wanna change - go ahead and make me happy! <3
18:21 deejaydray: hmm, i can replace the second repeat part with a circle, so there shouldn't be any problems ^^
18:21 -Bakari-: 01:24:826 (4,1,2,3) - well, this pattern doesn't look linear at all! I think it looks kinda unusual here and may confuse players
18:23 -Bakari-: if you choose some style, try to follow it through the whole diff/map. otherwise some patterns appear random :(
18:24 -Bakari-: 02:15:377 (3,4,5) - the same thing about "clicking on the nearest circle" happens here, I guess
18:24 deejaydray: i'm gonna reverse this 01:26:244 (2) then
18:25 -Bakari-: 02:01:204 (1,2,3,4) - I guess you've used some copy-paste here, haven't you? :c
18:26 deejaydray: yup but it's mirrored
18:26 deejaydray: :3
18:26 -Bakari-: that's okay, but I'd prefer to see something different here instead. even though this part sounds just like the previous kiai, it'd be better to make something different
18:26 -Bakari-: anyway, just try to note it for your future maps, please 
18:26 deejaydray: okay ^^
18:26 -Bakari-: uh, and a couple more things
18:27 -Bakari-: your comboing seems to be a bit irregular
18:27 -Bakari-: if I'm not mistaken, you're trying to follow the background music
18:28 deejaydray: yep, i dont follow the lyrics
18:28 deejaydray: i follow the beats
18:28 deejaydray: but that is not "irregular"
18:28 deejaydray: o.o
18:28 -Bakari-: it's cool, but it's better if you try to keep combos ~the same length
18:29 -Bakari-: 00:16:322 (1,2) - this short combo actually feels kinda "extra" here
18:29 deejaydray: it looks "extra" because there is a little break behind
18:29 deejaydray: :]
18:30 deejaydray: the combo would be too long if i didnt use "NC" there...
18:30 -Bakari-: technically, it's okay. so let's leave it as it is :) 
18:32 -Bakari-: by the way, how about a few suggestions which will probably help you to make your patterns a bit mre playable? 
18:33 -Bakari-: I'm asking, because it's a kinda controversal thing and people still argue about flow in maps :D
18:33 deejaydray: sure, i'm listening
18:33 -Bakari-: 00:43:724 (3,4,1) - this pattern is actuall fie and rankable, but for some reason it doesn't plays very good to me
18:35 -Bakari-: here it is important to think about flow
18:35 -Bakari-: it is quite natural for players, to go on moving their hands like [http://puu.sh/6lHNo.jpg this]
18:35 deejaydray: oh ... wow
18:36 -Bakari-: and it feels kinda unpleasant to "change" the direction of a move so fast as it happens in your pattern
18:36 deejaydray: there are so many "hard" things to remember for an Easy diff
18:36 deejaydray: XD
18:36 deejaydray: kinda ironic 
18:36 -Bakari-: well, it applys to every diff, I think
18:36 deejaydray: i dont think this would be a problem in a hard diff for example
18:37 -Bakari-: take a look at this https://osu.ppy.sh/news/61334266941
18:39 deejaydray: oh, didnt see that before
18:43 deejaydray: i'm going to accept most of the things that look good to me as well, especially because i have no experience in modding
18:44 deejaydray: so it would be better for me to listen to others' opinions :)
18:48 deejaydray: i've seen maps that have a very "nice looking" flow, but i've also seen maps that don't have a flow at all, but still ranked >.>
18:48 deejaydray: it's so frustrating
18:49 -Bakari-: rules changes, and so do patterns :P
18:50 -Bakari-: of course, it's better to improve your style by looking at newwer maps, but no one can't stop you from enjoying elder ones :)
18:51 deejaydray: hehe, true
18:51 deejaydray: oh btw
18:51 deejaydray: how did u find this map  ? :]
18:51 -Bakari-: oh well, i got carried away from the map, sorry. I guess you'd prefer to read something helpful about your map 
18:52 -Bakari-: the Easy diff is pretty sweet, but I can't say the same about your hard ;_;
18:52 deejaydray: so "hard" is salty XDD
18:53 -Bakari-: let me test it once again, maybe I didn't get something :D
18:54 deejaydray: ok, meantime i'm gonna search a new BG ^^
18:56 deejaydray: oh i have a question about SB
18:57 deejaydray: can i put my name on the BG image? i saw that others do this :]
18:57 -Bakari-: people normally do it when they make collab maps
18:57 -Bakari-: so, people know who made which part
18:57 deejaydray: oh i see
18:57 -Bakari-: here, when the whole map is done by yourself, it would be strange :P
18:58 deejaydray: what do u think about this BG ?
18:58 deejaydray: http://wallpaper.pickywallpapers.com/1024x768/alexandra-stan-with-akg-headphones.jpg
18:58 -Bakari-: awww, that's perfect
18:58 deejaydray: ^^
18:59 -Bakari-: try to remove that "downloaded from" from your bg ;_;/
19:00 deejaydray: already did
19:00 deejaydray: XDD
19:00 deejaydray: but i cannot remove "alexandra stan"
19:00 deejaydray: because it's on her hand LOL
19:01 -Bakari-: ok, I've figured out why it was so confusing :D
19:01 -Bakari-: you didn't change slider velocity at all :D 
19:01 -Bakari-: all three diffs has the same SV, whyyy? ;_;
19:02 deejaydray: i didn't know i must change the SV 
19:02 deejaydray: o.o
19:02 deejaydray: i thought i can let the same SV
19:02 -Bakari-: well, yes, but WHY? ;_;
19:03 -Bakari-: it's actually boring for experienced players to play somewthing with SV 1.2 
19:04 -Bakari-: it is technically rankable, but I don't think that people would rank it :<
19:04 deejaydray: mehhh seriously? .___.
19:04 deejaydray: i cant change it now because it would mean i have to rework the entire diff
19:05 -Bakari-: well, I'd ask some BATs for a testplay and then I'd ask them if it's actually possible to get it ranked
19:05 deejaydray: most of BATs would say "sry no time"...
19:05 -Bakari-: but come ooon, there're so many reasons to avoid using that SV
19:05 -Bakari-: first of all
19:06 -Bakari-: SV/AR are UNBALLANCED. Totally! D: Circles appear really quickly and then sliders go reeeeeeeeeeally slow
19:07 deejaydray: 1.2 is not "reaaaaaaly slow" XDD
19:07 deejaydray: it's not like i used 0.8 or smth
19:08 -Bakari-: for majority of the community, it is :D
19:08 -Bakari-: oh, and what's up with these spacing changes? 01:41:362 (2,3,4,1) - here, for example
19:09 deejaydray: well i thought i can use any space i want on hard diff
19:09 deejaydray: it's the most difficult diff on this mapset afterall...
19:11 -Bakari-: well, you should keep the spacing changes reasonable and intuitive
19:11 -Bakari-: and pleeeeeeease, don't make them too hard. It's still a Hard diff, not Insane! 
19:11 deejaydray: "intuitive" in hard ??? lol
19:11 deejaydray: i've never seen this
19:12 deejaydray: yes but in my case, this hard is like a hard-insane
19:12 deejaydray: something between hard and insane...
19:12 deejaydray: if i used only the normal distance snap, it would be the boringest hard ever
19:12 deejaydray: e,e
19:13 -Bakari-: that's because of the SV :D
19:13 -Bakari-: It's okay to use jumps/antijumps but they should fit with the music/vocals!
19:14 deejaydray: so what SV should i use on hard/insane diffs ?
19:15 -Bakari-: I can't tell you the exact Sv, but I'd make it a bit faster. 
19:15 -Bakari-: oh, and about making patterns intuitive
19:15 -Bakari-: does [http://puu.sh/6lJcf.jpg this] look intuite/readable to you? :)
19:16 deejaydray: yes it does
19:17 -Bakari-: that's what I'm talking about, the structure
19:17 -Bakari-: your diff isn't really easy to undestand, huh? :)
19:18 deejaydray: that was my point, to make it harder , harder than a normal HARD diff...
19:18 deejaydray: thats why i used "un-readable" and "un-intuitive" objects
19:18 -Bakari-: usually, we use SV and 1/4 patterns :P
19:20 deejaydray: so i guess i will have to re-work the hard...
19:20 deejaydray: perfect >.>
19:20 -Bakari-: 01:04:039 - 01:04:984 - 01:05:929 - why didn't you map these beats, btw?
19:20 deejaydray: because i wanted it to sound just like the sliders before them :]
19:21 deejaydray: 00:59:315 (2,3,4,5) - 
19:21 deejaydray: like these
19:21 -Bakari-: well, that's clearly not what players are used to :D
19:22 -Bakari-: 00:13:960 - 00:14:905 - well, that'd be a nice idea to place a circle here. so, it'll be a triplet 
19:23 deejaydray: it doesnt sound good to me :s
19:23 -Bakari-: I'm telling you, that it'd be a good idea to use different SV for a Hard diff and to re-work it, yeah
19:24 -Bakari-: but I'm not forcing you to do it :<
19:24 deejaydray: you're not, but the BAT will  XDD
19:24 -Bakari-: well, I hate saying that kind of stuff
19:25 deejaydray: ok, so i got it, bigger SV and not so many -weird jumps- except these, what should i change?
19:26 -Bakari-: well, if you still feel like keeping your linar style, nothing else. :P
19:27 deejaydray: ok, gonna start the rework soon ;3
19:27 -Bakari-: keep looking at other people's maps and try to experiment with your patterns!
19:28 deejaydray: k i will ^^
19:28 -Bakari-: hope you understand it a bit better now ><

We've done

1. Some general suggestions. Tags, colours and so on.
2. Pattern improvements. (mostly flow suggestions)
3. Some serious suggstions about the hard diff. We were considereing remapping due to low SV.
4. Explanition of some general things.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Best of luck! Feel free to ask any questions whenever you need to ask them!

Sniqht wrote:

Hard

00:39:354 (4,5) - Nested what? o.o
01:13:960 Break must start here sorry, no change (the break starts at the same point in every difficulty)
01:52:228 (1) - Timing is bad sorry, no change (the spinner is snapped, therefore, the timing is not bad)
01:57:425 (1) - ^^ ^^

And I think sliders are ugly ^_^ Good lucks.

(Can you mod my map? All The Right Moves ^_^

Jekate wrote:

hello M4M from your queue~

[General]
Your timing a bit off imo, maybe you can try BPM 127 Ofset 2174, if you follow that don't forget to re-snap all notes fixed

[Easy]

1. CS+1 sorry, no change
2. 00:11:598 (3) - it's better to have same shape with this 00:09:708 (1) - , see the pict fixed
3. 00:21:047 (5) - i'm not sure that slider is allowed for an easy diff since it's not 1/2 or 1/4, it is allowed
4. 00:22:937 (1) - make it a better blanket with this one 00:24:826 (2) - , see the pict fixed
5. ctrl+j this 00:26:716 (1) - and move to x:120 y:316 fixed
6. 00:30:023 (4,1) - make it a better blanket sorry, no change
7. ctrl+h this 00:38:055 (1) - and move to x:432 y:284

fixed

you have many slider shape variation in this diff yet not very neat and i think you over use the finish hitsound imo I've used all the hitsounds to create a new style and rhythm, that's why you feel that "finish" hitsound is overused

[Normal]

1. 00:27:425 (2) - delete the repeat and make it a 1/2 slider like this sorry, no change (that was my initial idea for this slider, but I've changed my mind after that so I wanted it to repeat)
2. 00:36:165 (4) - it's better to have same shape with this 00:34:275 (1) fixed
3. 01:46:795 (2) - delete the repeat and make it a 1/2

01:46:820 (2) - sorry, no change (same as before)

[Hard]

1. 00:54:118 (2,3) - i like that one thanks ^^
2. 01:43:960 (5) - wow nice slider <3 thank you :3
3. 01:46:086 (1,2,3,1,2) - you should find a better pattern for variation hmm, I will re-consider this in the future
4. a circle stream would be cool on this one 02:00:259 (1,2) - and this one 02:04:511 (3,4,5) fixed
5. 02:07:818 (1,2,3,4,1) - wow a star shape, use frequently when you can okay ^^
6. 02:12:543 (1) - reduece one repeat

fixed

well this diff is nice to play but it's kinda boring imo, must be better at flow and patterns, not only put notes vertical and horizontal though
you can use slider shape variation like the easy diff

that's all~
good luck

No_Gu wrote:

M4M from my queue

[Easy]
reconsider your NC set.I suggest 1 NC for 2 downbeats fixed
00:11:598 (3) - copy 1 and ctrl+h maybe? it is already done... (you may have posted this before I had time to update the map)
01:28:606 (4,1) - avoid overlaping in easy please fixed

[Normal]
00:14:433 (2) - a little ugly fixed
totally OK

[Hard]
00:39:354 (4,5) - a little overlap fixed
00:47:976 add a note with clap? fixed
01:33:094 (1,3) - not a good rhythm sorry, no change

hmm.Generally speaking,this map....it'OK but still have some tips to you.try improving your slider shapes.a slider with red points is always not welcomed.imporve your flow,straight flow doesn't play so good. thank you for your advice! ^^
and maybe. offset + 7

Feith wrote:

hai...hai....
I am from Modding request queue

http://www.tusfiles.net/pc4yuw90q11n

what is changed :
- keep the object is inside the grid because it have an impact on standard monitor size
- change a little bit of timing object

that is all from me because the beatmap looks nice

thank you for request

sksmwkd125 wrote:

Easy

00:16:347 (1) - New Combo(Recommended)

00:17:292 (1) - New Combo Deletion.

Normal

00:14:458 (2) - This placement.
↓

LucyS wrote:

M4m ^-^
i hope that helps

Eazy

00:35:220 (2,3) - i suggest this
01:02:149 (4) - Move to x:348 y:312 to overlap 01:04:984 (2)
01:06:401 (1) - Move to x: 64 y:128 to blanket better 01:07:818 (2)
02:10:653 (3) -

Normal

00:24:590 (4) -i suggest move to x:188 y:276
00:27:425 (2,3,4) - Try this: Delete 00:27:425 (2) - place a circle here 00:27:661 - in this position> x:40 y:360
Move 00:28:133 (3) - to x:124 y:276 and 00:29:078 (4) - to x: 128 y: 156 and adjust the distance from then on.
Make this slider 00:42:543 (2) - end here 00:42:779 because here has a strong beat
i think it's better with a hit here 01:00:259 - , 01:01:204 - and 01:02:149
01:46:086 (1,2,3,4) - same here 00:26:716 (1,2,3,4)

Hard

00:14:433 (3) -
Move 00:15:063 (4) - to x: 252 y: 56 for ovelap 00:16:322 (5)
00:44:118 (1) - move to x:244 y:244 and the last node to x:156 y:252

Sorry, i can't mod insane, I know nothing about insane diffs xD

enclosure wrote:

Saw this in #modreq and liked the song, so here I am
Doing this in a weird order, so bear with me.

Tony's
00:47:425 (6,7) - I wouldn't put a double here.
01:02:149 (5,1) - This jump is annoying, I realize its a jump between two combo's, but bridging this might feel more natural.
01:16:322 (3,4) - I don't know what to say here. It feels awkward , but i can't justify any other timing. (Longshot, but 01:14:826 (4,5) might work better than how it is)
01:39:000 (2,3) - Again, stacking these makes this feel really weird to play.
(Beat spacing is so weird to see in 1/6 xD) <- Personal issue

Tony wrote:

no changes, sorry

Hard
Honestly, this looks really good. (Again the beat spacing threw me off so many times xD) <-More personal issues
00:45:614 (1) - The space between these would warrant NC being on (2) instead. fixed
00:49:393 (1) - This could be seen as a part of the previous combo. ^ fixed
01:49:866 (1) - ^ fixed

Really good mapping. The timing was right on and made sense. Good job!

tutuhaha wrote:

[Tony's Saxobeat]
00:16:244 (x) - add note？
01:19:551 (x) - add note？
Tony fixed everything in his difficulty.

[Hard]
AR-1 fixed
01:23:409 (1,2) - you should ask some BAT，if they say it is cover arrow then it is unrankable hmm I don't see why it would be unrankable, but ok, I'm going to ask a BAT just in case
01:36:874 (1) - use slider and note to replace this spinner, it is unusual in this part fixed
02:00:259 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - I hope you can use slider and arrow to replace it.... sorry, no change (I don't see any reason to replace that chain o.o)

[Normal]
01:29:078 (1) - on this part, try to delete some finish...it is litter bit noise.. fixed

just some simple problem，but....weird song xDDDD

AW-sama wrote:

Alexandra Stan *-* Mr. Saxobeat! owo

Hello. Random mod (Sorry, my english is bad)

All diff: 00:02:149 - 00:09:708 Please map these parts, because too short the song! sorry, no change (I don't want the song to be very long, that's why I let some space over there)

[Easy]

Too much the finish hitsound! owo Please remove all finish, and... fixed (I removed some of the finish hitsounds, but not all)

00:26:716 (1) - put finish here (slider start)
00:41:834 (1) - ^
00:58:842 (1) - ^
01:29:078 (1) - ^
01:46:086 (1) - ^
02:01:204 (1) - ^

00:22:937 (3) - Don't make more repeats on Easy diffs. It's hard for begginers. Change to 2 sliders. fixed

[Normal]

wtf? It's light hard! :O (remap or no?) o_o

Too much the finish hitsound!
Look at easy mod!

Ideas!

00:22:937 (1,2,3,4) - replace! 4 sliders here: timeline & map e.g.:

SPOILER

fixed
00:53:173 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - it's too hard part, not creative, and the 8th slider is multi repeat! ×_× Please remap. sorry, no change
01:03:567 (2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5,6) - ^ sorry, no change

01:21:519 (1,1,1) - Remove all, and 01:13:960 - 01:29:078 Please map these parts! sorry, no change
01:49:393 (5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - too hard & not creative, strange. Remap Please. owo sorry, no change
01:59:078 (4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - ^ sorry, no change
02:08:763 (1,2,3,4,1,1,2,3) - Not creative, strange, etc...

[Hard]
01:13:960 - 01:21:519 Please map these parts! That is the only break of the map, I cannot map that part!
01:52:228 (1) - 01:57:425 (1) - remove spinners, and map these parts! sorry, no change

[Tony's Insane (?)]
Circle size: -1. Please. :O

SPOILER

01:21:519 - 01:29:078 Pls map these parts.

Good luck.

Winek wrote:

Hello ~ Decided to do some m4m.

[General]
'm unsure about this but it seems your hitsounds are not the same in the mapspread. Like i said, i'm not sure, due to increased notes or whatever. They are, I'm very careful about hitsounds ^^

[Easy]
00:09:708 (1,3) - Here you have 2 finish and then.. Nothing. Always have your hitsounds constant! To rapidly get rid of this little problem, just remove the finish, or make them constant on the other notes. sorry, no change
00:20:574 (4) - I really think this note could have a better placement. sorry, no change
00:21:047 (1) - You could try improving the shape of this note so that the slider ticks could be more visible. But since it's kinda hard to do, feel free to ignore this.
00:22:937 (3,4) - What about adding some finish at both head of sliders? There is an acceleration of the instrument, so I think it could be a good idea. Also for the same reason of the acceleration, you could NC (3). sorry, no change (The style of hitsounds that I've chosen has to be the same, I don't like changing it in some points)
00:43:724 (3) - You tried using more than one anchor ; But now i'm not sure if it's perfectly symmetryc. Check yourself, coz lulz me is not sure. what? o.o
00:49:393 (1,2,3) - Just a suggestion, but you could try curving less (3) to make a "square" effect like this http://puu.sh/7kqYC/9f078d27be.jpg ~ Making this will distribut a bit distance snap of the next note, so be sure about it ~ fixed
01:29:078 (1,2) - For these two notes ; You could clearly try following the vocals I think. What about making them be full 4/1 sliders? I think it can be the same for 01:36:637 (1,4) . sorry, no change (I don't like notes to follow vocal in Easy difficulties)
01:48:448 (3) - It's not very important ; But to keep a good flow try having this note as a double anchor like you did at 01:46:086 (1) . fixed
02:12:543 (1) - This shape... Is a bit weird, but everyone has it own tastes.

You should review some nazi stuff like having same axis for 02:08:291 (5,1) . Otherwise, great map!

[Normal]
00:11:598 (4,5,6) - This part doesn't follow a good flow ; But since it's my opinion, feel free to deny ; I think when you place 1/2 notes together on normals (Or even 1/1 on easy) they should request the same anchor ; If you used a double anchor for the first one, also use it for the 2nd one, etc.. But it's just me being stupid again. sorry, no change
00:14:196 - You should really add a note here, since i'm a constant nazi as you clearly added a 1/2 at 00:11:598 (4,5,6) and previous notes (too lazy to add them, lol.) Since there are no music changing anyway, you should just keep in mind contant thingy. fixed
00:21:519 (6) - I know it's a bit nazi (alot) but try moving the middle anchor a bit, to get a perfect symmetry. You should refer to sliderticks to help you get a perfect one! sorry, no change
00:35:456 (2,5) - Don't know for you, but I don't feel these notes at all. If it was me, I'd remove them. But again, your choice fixed
00:42:543 (2) - I'll just say it one time, cause i hate looking repetitive, i know it annoy mappers. So i'll just say that in some song these fits while in other they don't fit. In this song, the 1/1 slider starting on a red tick just doesn't fit at all.. But if you like it yourself, you must keep it. If you decided to apply the mod, be sure to re-chheck yourself for other similar parts. sorry, no change
01:08:291 (3) - Talked about the flow right :< ? I think it should be great as a double anchor, and also if you turn it upside down. fixed

[Hard]
I don't think using 1/6 is a good idea for Hard, and i'm totally serious about that >< I know you tried following some other instrument for the song, but yeah. Your choice. 1/6 notes seems also too early for me... Although than that, I really like this difficulty. I had to use 1/6 since this song requires this kind of beat snap divisor (tbh, I don't like 1/6 either...)

00:09:708 (1,2,3,4) - Those claps at the beggining just fits bad because of the 1/6 you're using, they seems too early.
00:53:173 (1,2) - I didn't see much blankets in your map, so you could try to have these as blankets?
01:03:567 (3,4,5) - I'm not sure i'm the only one that said this, but don't you think this part is just a tad too blank? Same for 01:11:126 (3,4,5) I think, really that there aren't enough note. You probably did this for a special reason! fixed
00:38:055 (1,3) - Flow, maybe? http://puu.sh/7kOe5/4642065011.jpg I'm some nazi abou those details, sorry I'm not relaly a fan of curves to straight.. so yeah. Your choice, like always. fixed
01:43:960 (1) - The clap completely feels outta rythm as the sound is decreasing here. sorry, no change
01:51:677 (4) - I'll tell you, this note feels too early even if you try following the vocals. I think, really it should be at 01:51:755. sorry, no change(It's at the same time as the other objects of this kind from before)
01:57:425 (1) - The spinner is really random. I guess you got laaaaazzzzeeehh nah, I just wanted to use another spinner, since I used one at 01:52:228 (1) as well.

Like I said, Not much problem with this difficulty. But review something about the claps starting too early..

[Tony's Saxobeat]
Sorry, due to peppy-san, Saxobeat is no more a rankable difficulty name. fixed
Most of the note have an overmapped feeling like 00:36:165 (1,2) ...
00:34:275 (1) - Make your hitsound constant.. please. This whistle is completely out. Orelse it's me, i made an error, as I see clearly no whistle at 00:41:834 (1) .
01:07:818 (4,2) - You could Ctrl+G to increase difficulty and flow for these two notes, your choice.
01:14:826 (4) - Has an horrible early sound, sorry Try this instead: http://puu.sh/7kOC3/004b14ac8f.jpg It's more simpl and sounds good, at least for me.
01:30:889 (7,8) - It feels kinda overmapped, use only 1 note, maybe? If you want to apply this suggestion, do it to similar notes in this part.
02:05:693 (3) - I'm sure it was an error / I know you must place it on a red tick just like 02:04:748 (6) and 02:06:637 (6) !

Your map is really good! Rank it soon, yeah!