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fartownik
Well, if you're scum then he's Town. I don't see a reason why would he be a third party.
NoHitter
Scum always had a maximum of +6 HS.
That doesn't explain the extra +1HS increases and the lack of Sephi's passive in some cases.

For example, I targeted Sephi with my ability N2 and I didn't get a HS decrease.
NoHitter
And I'm really third party guys :(
Sakura

NoHitter wrote:

For example, I targeted Sephi with my ability N2 and I didn't get a HS decrease.
Why didnt you mention this before?
Sephibro
btw i'm confirmed after Dake's flip, just sayin
NoHitter

Sakura wrote:

NoHitter wrote:

For example, I targeted Sephi with my ability N2 and I didn't get a HS decrease.
Why didnt you mention this before?
Like you would have believed me even if I did.
NoHitter
Basically it's a third party's word over the "town bloc" member's word.
fartownik
Well, let's wait for Caligno. I hope he's here asap :<
NoHitter

fartownik wrote:

Well, let's wait for Caligno. I hope he's here asap :<
Pretty much what I'm waiting for as well.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 6.01

Bomb threats aren't cool, you know.

[3] NoHitter -- fartownik, Sephibro, Sakura
[0] fartownik --
[0] Sakura --
[0] Sephibro --
[0] No Lynch -

Not Voting -- NoHitter
Deadline is Nov. 27 at 12:00 AM CST (GMT-6)

Lynch scene coming shortly.
NoHitter
Well if I'm right then the game will continue, and if I'm wrong then gg town.
Topic Starter
Amianki
June 19, 1983

I heard cheering today.

It took me a while to figure out why, but even then I didn't want to leave the house. If the townspeople found something to cheer themselves up in this time of infinite fear, then that's their business.


---

June 22, 1983

I found the courage to leave the house today. The corpse of a teenage boy was prominently displayed in the town square, but otherwise it appears that no one has died since that time.

It may be over, but there's one thing I can't wrap my mind around.

I can't leave for the rest of my life.

Fuck.


NoHitter, Satoshi Houjou, Oyashiro Supporter, has been lynched Day 6.

Sephibro, Rika Furude, Innocent Hinamizawan turned Neutral Survivor, Modkilled Day 6.

fartownik, Mion Sonozaki, Innocent Hinamizawan, has committed suicide Day 6 and won.
Sakura, Keiichi Maebara, Innocent Hinamizawan, has survived and won.
fartownik
Just as planned 8)

gg
Topic Starter
Amianki
I'll put all the info and shenanigans up soonish, as well as my own thoughts.
fartownik
Also wtf, why did Sephibro get modkilled? D:
NoHitter
He edited his post -_-
NoHitter
Although IMO Caligno you might as well give him the win. He did edit a post but it was just a minor thing. I was hoping his modkill would extend the game more, but it didn't, so w/e.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Quick fun fact: This game is just barely the longest thread in the subforum as of sometime earlier today.

I'm proud of you guys! :cry:

EDIT: I stated earlier in the game that editing posts would result in a mandatory modkill. Regardless of whether it would have made any difference or not, it damages the game's integrity not to take action on it.
NoHitter
Tough game TBH. Scum had to predict townreads two turns ahead aka fiasco that was BRBP kill.
Also targeting Irre N1 resulted in: A) outing pieguy B) me not being able to use my Godfather passive -_-

Nice gambit by GiF though. Your claim influenced our NK preferences.
Sakura
Good Game, tho NH's winning post looked genuine, god i need to improve at recognizing genuinity and faked posts.

@Caligno: Can we see all role PMs to know what everyone's abilities were, as well as night actions?
Sakura
Oh Another thing....

I was looking for someone who seemed to have lost motivation due to being unable to win, that's what ultimately led me to vote NH, I only had reservations because i thought his 3p claim was genuine.
NoHitter
Actually Sakura, that third party gambit was so spur of the moment. I thought of it as Rantai was getting lynched.
And of course it looked genuine, because at that point I was playing as if my wincon was that :P

Interesting thing was that I really didn't realize Dake was an adult when I faked my wincon!
NoHitter
Also I still don't know why my HS level didn't decrease when I targeted Sephi -_-

or why did pieguy's HS level increased randomly.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Background Info QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/zXvkJQTBMvN
Dead QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/fM3gEPxbMGVZ
Neighbors QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/tpL7tdtNxAJ23
Mafia QT: http://quicktopic.com/50/H/AyNwdF5wJ7wp
Night Actions: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... _web#gid=0

ROLE PMS:

"Sephibro"

You are Rika Furude, the only remaining member of the Furude family still alive and the current Shrine Maiden. As you are so innocent and cheerful, anyone would feel better while you're around.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[N][A] - Calming Presence - Your presence makes anyone feel better. You may visit one person a night, calming them down. They will lose two HS levels.
[P] - Innocent Demeanor - Your innocence calms people down. Anyone who targets you loses one HS level.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.[/quote]

"BRBP"


You are Satoko Houjou, a young girl in Hinamizawa. You have had a rough life up to this point, with nearly everyone close to you having died or disappeared in previous years from Oyashio's curse. You are very skilled with traps, however, and you are more than willing to use them.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[N][P] - Foresight - HS >= 4 - You have laid traps all around your house due to your paranoia. You will know how many people has visited you at night. If you are targetted by only one person, you will be made aware of whether that person is a classmate or adult.
[N][P] - Paranoia - HS >= 4 - If you know that more than one person has visited you at night, you will automatically hide, stopping any passive and active effects from affecting you. You will also be unable to use your day ability the next day.
[D][A] - Mischievous Prank - You can place a trap at someone else's house. If they are targeted at all during the next night phase, they will be made aware of it. If you were at HS Levels 4 or 5 while placing the trap, these actions will be blocked. You may not target yourself.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"Sakura"


You are Keiichi Maebara, a relatively new transfer student who is starting to get caught up in this nonsense. You are more prone to Hinamizawa Syndrome than other people, and it can have drastic effects on your health.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Psychosis - If you hit HS level 5, you cannot go below it. You will be notified when this ability activates.
[A] - Psychotic Rampage - HS = 5 - Once your HS hits level 5, you will steal Satoshi's bat. Up until your suicide, you will gain the ability to kill one other person. Once this ability is used, you will die at the end of the current phase, regardless of whether you would normally die or not. If this ability is used during the day, the phase will immediately end.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"rEdo"


You are Shion Sonozaki, twin sister to Mion Sonozaki. While you like antagonizing your sister, you two are actually quite close. However, your personality is more prone to corruption than hers.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Psychotic Presence - HS = 5 - Anyone who visits you will be freaked out, increasing their HS level by one.
[N][A] - Extended Awareness - HS <= 3 - You and Mion will be on watch for the night. You both will have the ability to see any active abilities targeting you. Both results will be delivered privately. The mafia shots and passive abilities will not be seen. You may use this ability if Mion is dead.

Sonozaki Sisters Abilities:
[P] - Sisterly Bond - Mion (fartownik) and Shion (rEdo) Sonozaki are both in the setup and share their night action restriction. You may only use one night action per night between the two of you.
[P] - Sisterly Ties - Shion HS <= 3 - If Shion starts the night phase sane, you will be able to speak in your QT for the next night and day phase.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"fartownik"


You are Mion Sonozaki, future heir to the Sonozaki House and twin sister to Shion Sonozaki. You're the oldest of the kids in Hinamizawa, so there is consistent stress on your life despite your young age.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Future Leader - You are being conditioned by your grandmother to become an effective leader. If you hit HS level 5 at the start of night, you will instead stay alive until the end of the next day without QT access.
[N][A] - Club Leader - You are the after school club's president, and this gives you a feeling of having to watch over your classmates. Once a night, you can protect one other person in the game, nullifying the effect of any shots targeting them. This will only work on your classmates.

Sonozaki Sisters Abilities:
[P] - Sisterly Bond - Mion (fartownik) and Shion (rEdo) Sonozaki are both in the setup and share their night action restriction. You may only use one night action per night between the two of you.
[P] - Sisterly Ties - Shion HS <= 3 - If Shion starts the night phase sane, you will be able to speak in your QT for the next night and day phase.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"DakeDekaane"


You are Kyousuke Irie, the head of the Irie Clinic. You have significant knowledge of medicine and have come to Hinamizawa a significant amount of times in your time coaching their little leagues baseball team. You are aware of Oyashiro's curse and are determined to stop it.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Attention to Detail - Your work in the medical profession has given you a lot of experience in looking for the small things in people. You know the names of all actions and passives that have an effect on you, not counting the mafia shots.
[N][A] - Doctor - You are knowledgable about all kinds of medicine, including treatments for Hinamizawa Syndrome. You may give one person per night a shot that lowers their HS level. At the start of the next two day phases, your target's HS level will decrease by one. You may not target the same person on consecutive nights.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"Irreversible"


You are Kuraudo Ooishi, a veteran detective for the Okinomiya Police. You are in Hinamizawa to investigate the curse and put an end to the murders that happen every year.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Untrusted - Most of the village does not trust you, so your presence makes most people uneasy. The Sonozaki family, however, is fully used to your snooping. Everyone not a part of the Sonozaki family will have their HS level increased by 1 when you visit them.
[N][A] - Interrogation - You can question someone each night, determining whether they are supporting Oyashiro's Curse or are among the innocent townspeople.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"Zexion_Vi/Disrespect"


You are Jirou Tomitake, a freelance photographer who visits Hinamizawa a few times a year. You're just here to take pictures of the town and celebrate the festival. However, you're about to get more than you bargained for.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Outgoing - You can't resist being active. If you don't use an ability, you will go for a leisurely stroll. No one will be able to give you any shots while you're out.
[N][A] - Photographer's Curiosity - You can't resist taking photographs. Each night, you can choose to go out and explore the town. You have an eye for detail, so you will be able to tell when people are given shots. When day breaks, you will know how many shots were given the past night phase.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"Blue Yoshi/GuyInFreezer"


You are Oryou Sonozaki, the current head of the Sonozaki family and a very influential member of Hinamizawa. You know close to everything that happens in the town, and very few people have the nerve to stand up to you. You are committed to stopping the string of murders every year, although some would disagree.

Alignment: Innocent Hinamizawans

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Future Head - You know that Mion Sonozaki is in the setup.
[P] - Family Name - You are committed to your family, especially the heir. If Mion would have her HS level changed by a passive ability, you will take it instead.
[N][A] - Sonozaki Influence - With your influence as the Sonozaki head, you can restrain one person per night from being able to use any active actions. Passives will still take full effect.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters are eliminated. Confirm in thread.

"NoHitter"


You are Satoshi Houjou, a student of Hinamizawa who disappeared in the previous Watanagashi Festival. So wait, how exactly are you here? Oh well, it's probably just a part of your hyper-paranoid fantasy.

Alignment: Oyashiro Supporters
Team: pieguy1372, Rena Ryuuguu -- NoHitter, Satoshi Houjou -- Raging Bull, Miyo Takano

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Respected Player - You're well liked for your softball skills. You are immune to any investigative abilities.
[N][A] - Overwhelming Paranoia - You can visit one person each night. Since you see your aunt’s face in everyone, your presence will make it impossible for that person to calm down. The target’s HS level will be unable to go down this night phase.

Oyashiro Supporter Abilities:
[P] - Communication - You have the ability to speak with your teammates here.
[N][A] - HS Syringe - Your team gets 4 syringes a night that increase the HS level of the person affected. One increases HS by three, while the others increase it by one. Each mafia member can use up to two a night OR use a night action.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters become a majority or nothing can prevent it. Confirm in thread.

"pieguy1372"


You are Rena Ryuuguu, a student living in Hinamizawa. You have had a rough time in your days outside the village, and your return has not changed your motivations. You have been lost to the curse.

Alignment: Oyashiro Supporters
Team: pieguy1372, Rena Ryuuguu -- NoHitter, Satoshi Houjou -- Raging Bull, Miyo Takano

Personal Abilities:
[N][A] - Rampage - HS = 4 - You lose your ability to reason with yourself rationally, instead looking only for blood. You can break into one person's house a night and kill them. If you are the last remaining member of your team, you can use this regardless of your HS level.
[P] - Insanity - HS = 5 - You hide from your peers and enemies alike, permanently losing your ability to speak in the mafia QT. The other mafia members will be notified if this occurs. Note that this will only go into effect once you know you have hit this threshold.

Oyashiro Supporter Abilities:
[P] - Communication - You have the ability to speak with your teammates here.
[N][A] - HS Syringe - Your team gets 4 syringes a night that increase the HS level of the person affected. One increases HS by three, while the others increase it by one. Each mafia member can use up to two a night OR use a night action.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters become a majority or nothing can prevent it. Confirm in thread.

"Raging Bull/Rantai"


You are Miyo Takano, a nurse to the Irie Institute and fervent researcher of Oyashiro-sama's curse. Your obsession with researching into it has caused you to lose your mind to it. You don't know when it happened, but now you wish for the curse to continue this year as well.

Alignment: Oyashiro Supporters
Team: pieguy1372, Rena Ryuuguu -- NoHitter, Satoshi Houjou -- Raging Bull, Miyo Takano

Personal Abilities:
[P] - Nurse Affinity - You have experience working in a medical center, so you know how to fix the small things. You are immune to passive personal abilities.
[N][A] - Collaboration - You may share your notes on Oyashiro's curse with one person each night, giving them the knowledge they need to keep themselves sane. Their HS level will not change for that night phase. You may not target yourself.

Oyashiro Supporter Abilities:
[P] - Communication - You have the ability to speak with your teammates here.
[N][A] - HS Syringe - Your team gets 4 syringes a night that increase the HS level of the person affected. One increases HS by three, while the others increase it by one. Each mafia member can use up to two a night OR use a night action.

You win when the Oyashiro Supporters become a majority or nothing can prevent it. Confirm in thread.

Notes coming soon.

Also, any feedback about game balance or the general way the game was modded are welcome. I would very much like to use this game as a learning experience to make my next one better.
Sakura
Well I hope the mod explains all roles and abilties and what went on during the night as well as giving us the dead and scum qts.
NoHitter
Hmm I could have swore the math at some parts were wrong. For example, farto was at +2, I gave him the 3HS needle, but Sephi's passive should have hit him, so it should have been +4 not +5.

I was wondering why farto claimed to be at HS5 when I knew he was at HS4 lol
Sakura
Welp just as i said that.

pieguy from scum QT wrote:

we just, if they do something suspicious, attack them like town would. then it might lead to a lynch, but it might not
There's one thing called being too good to be town, as scum you know who's scum and you're more likely to catch scumslips from your team, than if you were actually town, you wouldn't.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Several quick notes:

1. The balancing phase of this game was a huge bitch. It took a lot longer to balance the scumteam so that they weren't hopelessly weak than you would think, and they underwent 2-3 reworks. Amrun single-handedly saved this by suggesting a similar syringe system to the one I ended up using. The neighbor pair was a huge headache to balance as well. Ghostfrog did a lot to have the individual characters balanced. Some of the first drafts of the roles were completely horrendous.

2. The set-up was designed partially to give scum a lot of choices in what they could do. Using Rena's kill each night can guarantee two kills a night, but that falls apart if ANY of the mafia die. It wouldn't have worked in this case because of the early Irreversible inspection.

3. I'm very sad that Shion died day 1. :( I was most looking forward to seeing how the neighbor pair would turn out.

4. Scum team really got screwed over this game. Around half of their kill attempts were cockblocked and the early inspection severely lowered their options. Still, it's impressive that they still managed to live all the way to day 6 despite being on the suspicion list for practically the whole game. The game also would have went far worse if they had managed to get their N1 actions switch within the deadline.

5. Jinxy did a good job as a backup-mod this game, even if I didn't immediately see what he was saying in the spreadsheet. :)

6. I'm running the ruleset past someone to make sure things are clear next time.
Topic Starter
Amianki

NoHitter wrote:

Hmm I could have swore the math at some parts were wrong. For example, farto was at +2, I gave him the 3HS needle, but Sephi's passive should have hit him, so it should have been +4 not +5.

I was wondering why farto claimed to be at HS5 when I knew he was at HS4 lol
GuyInFreezer was still alive, so he stole the passive.
Sakura

NH from the Scum QT wrote:

pieguy should probably target Sakura because of her vig threat with the 3HS syringe
That was my plan actually to be hit to HS 5 to use my vig shot :P
NoHitter
Anyway, gg guys.
Like I said, I was happy enough that people actually believed my 3rd party claim enough to reach D6!
Sakura
Re: Dake in the QT.

Lynching NH would have confirmed his role but not yours, while lynching you would confirm NH and you at the same time and we had time to still lynch NH the next day, that was my thought anyway.

pieguy from Scum QT wrote:

chainsaw defense: when someone gets a cop guilty on you and you claim something that investigates guilty to cops
Wrong, Chainsaw defense is attacking the person that's attacking your scumbud.
Sephibro

NoHitter wrote:

Anyway, gg guys.
Like I said, I was happy enough that people tardownik actually believed my 3rd party claim enough to reach D6!
gg, awesome game setup caligno!
Also, now we are sure that Rantai and NoHitter are scum when they look inactive

And i'm sorry for farto because he was actually town. Well one cannot buy brain at supermarket...
DakeDekaane
You don't lynch a townie just to confirm a non-town role >.>

He was pretty much scum as 3 scum +1 third party (lyncher) would left town a bit outnumbered too quickly.

I'm still happy we win, gg.
fartownik

Sephibro wrote:

And i'm sorry for farto because he was actually town. Well one cannot buy brain at supermarket...
Yeap, like you did anything productive for Town.

Dake, pretty much enough. Like Sakura said, your flip confirmed both you and NH, NH's flip would only confirm him. It's better to be safe than to be sorry.

Though obviously I should've followed my feeling in the first place, and I will do that in the future games.
Zexion
Terribly sorry for wasting that slot guys, I just felt I wouldn't be any help for town nor an active player in this game and I didnt expect the space getting modkilled. Anyways, I kept reading it when possible and well, this was an awesome game. I guess I'll just keep reading this forum lol

Congratz everyone!
Sephibro
actually Dake was already confirmed because him being scum implied me being scum too.
Was it that hard?

Sakura and farto you can find any excuse you want but you choose the dumb way, we would have lost if NH was third party with that wincon
Sephibro
@Caligno: can we please have a list of everybody's actions on each night?
GuyInFreezer

Sephibro wrote:

actually Dake was already confirmed because him being scum implied we would have lost if NH was third party with that wincon
^

I was faking a suspicion on DD to make sure that the scum doesn't go for Sakura, but then at night I remembered that Sakura was also confirmed town :<
Anyway, yeah, the lyncher claim should've been lynched, at least for utility/policy purpose.

Also, I didn't post in dead QT because Calingno accidentally sent me a scum QT and I didn't bother asking for dead QT after that because I might've spoiled something.
pieguyn
aw shit

gg everyone :cry:
Rantai
GG all.
Topic Starter
Amianki

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

actually Dake was already confirmed because him being scum implied we would have lost if NH was third party with that wincon
^

I was faking a suspicion on DD to make sure that the scum doesn't go for Sakura, but then at night I remembered that Sakura was also confirmed town :<
Anyway, yeah, the lyncher claim should've been lynched, at least for utility/policy purpose.

Also, I didn't post in dead QT because Calingno accidentally sent me a scum QT and I didn't bother asking for dead QT after that because I might've spoiled something.
Wait... I did?

wtf

Anyway, I forgot to mention two things about the set-up:

1. fartownik (Mion) gained Oryou's active ability (block) when Oryou died, but she lost the ability to use it on children.

2. Every town member had a unique death flavor attached to them for a Rena kill, while Keiichi's kill would just be beaten with a baseball bat.

Sephibro wrote:

@Caligno: can we please have a list of everybody's actions on each night?
It's there.
Sephibro
Btw Caligno there are some things i've not understood yet, but i think they are probably mistakes: I targeted DD both N3 and N4, but he wasn't informed of that (he should have been due to his passive)

while GuyInFreezer: why did you keep your chainsaw defense on fartownik on late D3, when a lynch on him would have confirmed you as town and NH as scum?
Also, about the "No Lynch D1 is dumb", it's not. If you ever played live werewolf games, you would know they ALWAYS start with a night phase (which is exactly the same as a NL d1) - and with that NL we would have had no problems lynching pieguy D2


Btw Caligno, AWESOME setup, if you decide to host another game of this kind in the future, count me in!
Sephibro
Just a little feedback about setup and balance:
1. Next time make rules clearer, looks like nobody, not even scum had understood how suicide worked in the beginning
2. Tomitake Jirou looks like a very strong character. If Zexion and Disrespect weren't afk all the time, the game would have probably been strongly town-sided. A 11p with 3 scum without that character looks more balanced
pieguyn
I'm just happy I survived one more day after someone claimed a guilty on me o/

also I was wondering where the hell all our kills went >_< screw thaaaaaaaaaaaat
Topic Starter
Amianki

Sephibro wrote:

Just a little feedback about setup and balance:
1. Next time make rules clearer, looks like nobody, not even scum had understood how suicide worked in the beginning
2. Tomitake Jirou looks like a very strong character. If Zexion and Disrespect weren't afk all the time, the game would have probably been strongly town-sided. A 11p with 3 scum without that character looks more balanced
How so? I was actually a lot more worried about Mion's balance. o_O

If it's knowledge about shots, then it counts Irie's too.
Sephibro

Sephibro wrote:

Btw Caligno there are some things i've not understood yet, but i think they are probably mistakes: I targeted DD both N3 and N4, but he wasn't informed of that (he should have been due to his passive)
you didn't explain that yet
GuyInFreezer

Sephibro wrote:

while GuyInFreezer: why did you keep your chainsaw defense on fartownik on late D3, when a lynch on him would have confirmed you as town and NH as scum?
First of all, town defending town is not called a chainsaw defense. Whiteknighting is a better term to use. From my PoV, farto was town as hell, because of my roles and stuff. Also, we had a better and urgent lynch as well (pieguy).
And technically, farto's townflip wouldn't have confirmed me. I could've been scum who takes advantage of ppl targetting farto with passive HS decrease. I made sure that no one think of that though ;)
Topic Starter
Amianki

Sephibro wrote:

Sephibro wrote:

Btw Caligno there are some things i've not understood yet, but i think they are probably mistakes: I targeted DD both N3 and N4, but he wasn't informed of that (he should have been due to his passive)
you didn't explain that yet
Yes, those were mistakes. I made a similar mistake in N1 that Jinxy told me about, and apparently I put the mental note to keep that from happening again too prominently in my mind when resolving night actions.
Sephibro
and that's why i asked you this question:


After GuyInFreezer's flip there was something wrong there...That was quite a huge mistake :P
Rantai

GuyInFreezer wrote:

And technically, farto's townflip wouldn't have confirmed me. I could've been scum who takes advantage of ppl targetting farto with passive HS decrease. I made sure that no one think of that though ;)
Shame no one bought that theory at the end :v
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