20:39 Zexous: knock
20:40 lolcubes: hi
20:40 Zexous: could you look at some taiko diffs for me and tell me if they need more mods or not
20:41 Zexous: because i have so much difficulty finding regular mods
20:41 Zexous: i need your wisdom mr. alumni
20:44 lolcubes: sure
20:44 lolcubes: sec
20:49 lolcubes: ok linky
20:50 *Zexous is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/329618 Lifetheory - Daisy]
20:52 lolcubes: as soon as my laptop stops choking
20:52 lolcubes: ill test
20:53 Zexous: haha 
20:53 lolcubes: ok lets try
20:55 lolcubes: guess that wont happen
20:55 lolcubes: uh basically
20:56 lolcubes: 1/2 patterns are too long
20:56 lolcubes: needs more 1/1 breaks
20:56 lolcubes: and the beginning has a somewhat unrecognizable rhythm
20:56 Zexous: spectator is glitching hard
20:56 lolcubes: thats pretty much the only things that need fixing for real, rest are just suggestions
20:56 Zexous: ok
20:56 lolcubes: dear GOD this laptop
20:57 lolcubes: i think offset is slightly late too
20:57 lolcubes: early*
20:57 Zexous: the beginning i think was better when i first mapped it but modders
20:57 Zexous: but i only have experience with dealing with standard mods so this is really my first time handling taiko mods
20:58 lolcubes: fuck this laptop
20:58 lolcubes: :c
20:58 lolcubes: but yeah
20:58 Zexous: :c
20:58 lolcubes: its just 1/2 notes with 1/4 patterns in between throughout the whole song
20:59 lolcubes: thats actually unrankable
20:59 lolcubes: in a way
20:59 lolcubes: :P
20:59 lolcubes: usually music like this has distinct sections which repeat every 4 measures or so
20:59 lolcubes: that would be a good lead
20:59 lolcubes: muzukashii
20:59 lolcubes: ;:P
20:59 Zexous: i have a different version
21:00 Zexous: what are the chances that i have an outdated version vs. the chances that i made changes
21:00 Zexous: i'll take the chances
21:01 lolcubes: offset +7
21:01 lolcubes: about muzukashii
21:01 lolcubes: well its fine to not use 1/4
21:02 lolcubes: however i think its better to make shorter 1/2 patterns
21:02 lolcubes: and then introduce simple 1/4 patterns
21:02 lolcubes: than just keep longer 1/2 chains
21:02 lolcubes: for example
21:02 lolcubes: also
21:02 lolcubes: 01:10:169 (179,180,181,182,183,184,185,186,187) - own rhythms are fine but i think this is a bit hard to read for a muzukashii
21:03 lolcubes: should be more consistent with the rhythms around i think
21:03 lolcubes: probably not though up to you
21:03 lolcubes: but back to my previous point
21:03 lolcubes: 01:15:669 (203,204,205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213) - this
21:03 lolcubes: you can easily map the 1/4 here
21:03 lolcubes: and just keep a space after 
21:03 lolcubes: 01:15:919 - add 01:16:169 - remove
21:03 lolcubes: its more fun too
21:04 Zexous: muzu should be strictly ddd or kkk right?
21:04 Zexous: no ddk or kkd business?
21:04 Zexous: or am i wrong on that
21:04 lolcubes: you are allowed to use ddk kkd
21:04 lolcubes: even dkd kdk depending on the song
21:04 lolcubes: ddddd kkkkk allowed too
21:04 lolcubes: just not too often
21:04 lolcubes: its best to add it as a spice here and there
21:04 Zexous: i'll refrain from dkd kdk i think that's personally too hard
21:04 lolcubes: yeah
21:04 Zexous: but i could use ddk
21:04 lolcubes: i never use them
21:04 lolcubes: i occasionally use ddk kkd
21:04 lolcubes: but mostly kkk
21:04 lolcubes: and ddd for drums
21:05 lolcubes: 01:25:669 (247,248,249,250,251,252,253,254,255,256,257,258,259,260) - can use a big improvement
21:05 Zexous: alright
21:05 lolcubes: long 1/2 pattern isnt fun for a muzu
21:05 lolcubes: 01:25:836 (248) - remove imo
21:05 lolcubes: 01:26:586 - add
21:05 lolcubes: actually remove 01:26:169 (250) - instead
21:05 Zexous: d?
21:05 lolcubes: will be mroe appropriate
21:05 lolcubes: yeah
21:06 lolcubes: kkk can work too
21:06 lolcubes: since you used your own rhythms throughout the map i wont really nazi them but
21:06 lolcubes: just to give you some headsup
21:06 lolcubes: 01:34:669 (289,290,291,292,293,294,295) - 
21:06 lolcubes: for example
21:07 Zexous: so that means i remove 01:47:502 (352) - this too and ddk after i guess?
21:07 lolcubes: ddkdkdk could be more appropriate because of the melody thats present
21:07 lolcubes: yes
21:07 lolcubes: actually
21:07 lolcubes: no
21:07 Zexous: oh no
21:07 lolcubes: id remove 01:46:836 (349) - 
21:07 lolcubes: add 01:46:836 (349) - 
21:07 lolcubes: remove 01:46:836 (349) - 
21:07 lolcubes: ehhh
21:07 lolcubes: add 01:47:169 -  *
21:07 lolcubes: remove 01:47:336 - 
21:08 lolcubes: and just adding 01:47:919 - could be fine
21:08 lolcubes: its repeating so its easier to catch too
21:09 Zexous: yea or nay on the big kats at the end
21:09 Zexous: what do you think
21:09 Zexous: i'm very unsure about those
21:09 lolcubes: id probably keep but not all of them
21:09 lolcubes: id make a break between
21:09 lolcubes: id remove 01:48:169 (356) - 
21:10 lolcubes: and 01:49:169 (361) -  in that case
21:10 lolcubes: else it sounds a bit empty
21:10 lolcubes: if you have K K K K K it has more meaning
21:10 lolcubes: adds emphasis
21:10 lolcubes: but you can always just remove finishes
21:10 lolcubes: and just map regular kats
21:11 lolcubes: that could work as well, id probably recommend it over finishes despite me liking the finishes
21:11 Zexous: remove all the finishes, you mean?
21:11 lolcubes: except the last one yeh
21:11 lolcubes: but dont remove notes then
21:11 Zexous: i'll do that then
21:11 Zexous: i really wanted to keep all the notes mapped there
21:11 Zexous: and that way it stays consistent with the other part
21:12 lolcubes: 00:47:169 (79,80,81,82,83,84,85) - this isn't working btw because you established a common kat rhythm up until here, if it was another section it would be fine, but variety like this is very hard to read for a muzukashii
21:12 lolcubes: yeah
21:12 lolcubes: definitely kat on 00:47:336 (80) - 
21:12 Zexous: ok
21:12 Zexous: i think my difficulty with muzu is because i am used to standard mapping with the mentality that i must keep everything unique
21:13 lolcubes: i dotn want you to remap or anything but you can try listening to the beats from 00:48:002 - 
21:13 lolcubes: hehe
21:13 lolcubes: well its nice to have variety in taiko
21:13 lolcubes: but
21:13 lolcubes: consistency is way more important
21:13 lolcubes: the fun part about taiko is hitting notes
21:13 lolcubes: not unique things
21:13 Zexous: yea
21:13 lolcubes: but they can be interesting
21:13 Zexous: i learned that too yea
21:14 lolcubes: but yeah 00:48:002 -  from this point you have a drum slowly fading in
21:14 Zexous: that difficulty in stream patterns is not the speed or length of it but the complexity in taiko
21:14 lolcubes: which has interesting rhythm, so to map 1/4 you could use that as a base, ddd can work
21:14 Zexous: 00:50:169 (93) - don?
21:14 lolcubes: id advise that yeah
21:14 Zexous: i think many of these things you are suggesting are what i had originally before modding
21:14 Zexous: because they sound wrong to me too
21:17 lolcubes: i have a distinct structure of rhythm in my maps
21:17 lolcubes: haha
21:17 lolcubes: #mappingstyle
21:17 lolcubes: anyway, not to intrude on your mapping style
21:17 lolcubes: but i just think that you have too many kats in the whole beginning
21:18 Zexous: feel free to intrude on my mapping style
21:18 lolcubes: you dont have to change them they are ok
21:18 Zexous: i'm basically a newbie taiko mapper
21:18 lolcubes: but i just prefer more simple rhythms as an intro
21:18 lolcubes: well im not really pro haha
21:18 Zexous: but i'm not a newbie mapper in general so i actually understand my place :D
21:18 lolcubes: i can only give explanations based on my experience
21:18 lolcubes: i dont want to impose my style on newer people
21:19 lolcubes: because that way they wont really learn
21:19 lolcubes: they will just copy what i do
21:19 lolcubes: dont want
21:19 lolcubes: P
21:19 lolcubes: :P
21:19 lolcubes: anyway lets jump into oni
21:19 lolcubes: this part 00:28:002 (23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33) -  is very strange
21:20 lolcubes: you tried to follow the piano, the strings and make your own rhythm at the same time
21:20 lolcubes: i don't think it's working that well
21:20 lolcubes: i would probably redo the whole beginning 
21:20 lolcubes: because you went with a 5 note pattern here 00:22:669 (6,7,8,9,10) - 
21:20 Zexous: could you give me like a sample of how i would redo it
21:20 lolcubes: and afterwards mapped it more sparsely
21:20 lolcubes: while the music is building up
21:20 lolcubes: uh
21:20 lolcubes: sure
21:20 lolcubes: i can give you a sample of how i would do it
21:20 lolcubes: but dont copy it completely haha
21:21 Zexous: that's my compulsive need for variety acting up btw
21:21 Zexous: ok lol
21:22 lolcubes: i have one thing in mind when mapping
21:22 lolcubes: i think of taiko as a drum
21:22 lolcubes: so instead of mapping notes
21:22 lolcubes: i try to map how i would see drums
21:22 lolcubes: using the elements from the song
21:22 lolcubes: and then adding own rhythms if necessary
21:26 Zexous: cubes
21:26 Zexous: can you post on the thread so i can kd
21:26 Zexous: because this is the most helpful mod i've gotten on this map
21:26 lolcubes: sure
21:26 lolcubes: i will introduce something unique for you too
21:26 lolcubes: :p
21:27 Zexous: o.o
21:30 lolcubes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l8f3c96aemaudzh/Lifetheory%20-%20Daisy%20%28Zarerion%29%20%5Bderplol%5D.osu just a short example
21:30 Zexous: the might of derplol
21:31 lolcubes: definitely suggesting like +8 offset
21:31 lolcubes: but yeah the rhythms i made are drum based that i think would fit the song :P
21:31 lolcubes: drumrolls can work magic on calm songs
21:32 lolcubes: and as the song builds up
21:32 lolcubes: you dont need the drumrolls anymore
21:32 lolcubes: and can start maping beats
21:32 lolcubes: dons recommended
21:32 lolcubes: and using kats to create distinct yet consistent rhythms
21:32 lolcubes: isntead of just following stuff
21:32 lolcubes: thats my idea at least
21:32 lolcubes: :p
21:33 Zexous: i see i see
21:34 lolcubes: if you wan
21:34 lolcubes: t
21:34 lolcubes: i can map the drum section too
21:34 lolcubes: to show you what i mean with the beats
21:35 Zexous: ok
21:39 Zexous: should i do the drumroll thing on both diffs?
21:39 lolcubes: will work yes, just use less circles then, and use them if you feel they are good for you
21:39 lolcubes: thats just my suggestion :p
21:41 Zexous: ok thank you
21:46 lolcubes: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l8f3c96aemaudzh/Lifetheory%20-%20Daisy%20%28Zarerion%29%20%5Bderplol%5D.osu
21:46 lolcubes: thats how i would envision that drum section at least
21:46 lolcubes: people will 100% doubletime this
21:46 lolcubes: and these patterns are really fun
21:47 lolcubes: also used a more or less better offset so be careful :P
21:48 lolcubes: do you guys need a guest diff? LOL
21:48 lolcubes: since im halfway done haha
21:48 lolcubes: i can make an inner oni :D
21:48 Zexous: LOL
21:50 lolcubes: gonna map it anyway and see what happens
21:50 lolcubes: haha
21:50 *lolcubes is listening to Lifetheory - Daisy
21:50 lolcubes: oops
21:51 Zexous: unfortunately zare does not want any more diffs
21:51 lolcubes: qq
21:51 lolcubes: ill map it anyway
21:51 lolcubes: lol
21:51 Zexous: but idk we could get it put in the description
21:51 lolcubes: takes 20 min
21:51 lolcubes: i usually produce 1 taiko map a day when i feel like mapping
21:51 lolcubes: :P
21:51 Zexous: dayum
21:53 Zexous: don't forget to post on the thread cubes
21:54 Zexous: and i got zare to agree to put your diff in the description if you want
21:54 lolcubes: its ok ill post the diff you guys do what you want with it
21:54 lolcubes: :D
21:54 Zexous: alright
22:19 lolcubes: dont really like how it came out but its just an example diff i guess