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@Streaming and singletapping (bad) habbits

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RaneFire

silmarilen wrote:

there is no problem with alternating, look at people like sapphireghost and silvia.
learning to both alternate and singletap is probably the best thing you can do in osu.
Agreed, but don't learn them both at the same time.
Learn single-tap, then alternate... don't mix early on - I did this myself and ffs was I frustrated by some habits I had developed.
You need to build the muscle memory for single-tap first imo, because alternating triplets can sink into your habitual playstyle quite deeply... and requires speed to single-tap. (zxz zxz VS. zxz xzx)
Zexous
I'd just like to point out that singletapping and alternating are not exclusive, many players including myself incorporate both elements into their playstyle. An obvious tenet of alternating that I'm surprised no one has mentioned is this: lots of notes are harder to alternate than lots of sliders. So typically, "hybrid" players will alternate on slider-based patterns (kick sliders, 1/4 slider repeats, anything with 1/4 gaps and such, or maybe just lots of sliders in any snap). Point being, someone earlier said not to learn them at the same time, but really it's ok to learn them at the same time if you're planning on or are used to using them at the same time.


On a sidenote, I have a habit of holding down my index finger whenever I had to use it, even if I can let go (I singletap with middle finger). For example:
If there is a 1/4 triple with the last note leading into a slider, a normal person would do zxz, and the z would be the only button held. However, if you look at my replays, you would see that I'd have both z and x held down, I'd be holding the z down consciously for the slider, but my index finger subconsciously keeps the x held down. This happens for all kinds of 1/4 into sliders for me, like if there's any size stream into any type of slider of any length, you'll always see my K2 held down.
You'd normally say that it wasn't a problem, but let me tell you this: I'm pretty sure it is.
I can't do tons of triples without awful accuracy, or a miss. Granted, that mapping technique is horrid, but calling out a bad mapping pattern won't get you the score. Let me explain why exactly I can't (according to how I think it is):
My index finger can't immediately let go of the button after pressing, let's say it holds it for an extra 1/4 length. For a single triple or into a slider, that is fine. When there are many triples, they are typically spaced by a 1/2 gap between each other. Because of the extra 1/4 my finger holds x down though, my fingers always end up playing triples as a continuous 1/4 stream. There are 2 points as to how this would fuck up my gameplay:
1) Since I do triples zxz zxz, but my index finger can't handle 1/4 presses, I'd end up getting out of sync and completely messing up my rhythm (typically, when this happens, I still end up streaming as if it were 1/4 even after the stream ends and it's 1/2)
2) My mouse movement is seperate from my pressing, so it moves as if my fingers could probably do triples. But because I'd be playing it like a continuous stream, when my mouse moves to the next triple during the 1/2 gap, my fingers are still pressing, so I end up playing the first note of the next triple a 1/4 gap early, which of course messes up the entire triple for me.


Well I wasn't anticipating writing an essay on my flaws, but ok.
RaneFire

Zexous wrote:

Point being, someone earlier said not to learn them at the same time, but really it's ok to learn them at the same time if you're planning on or are used to using them at the same time.
I was just saying don't learn them, as a new player, at the same time. You can make your own style and play that from day 1. The emphasis is on learning 2 different styles of playing simultaneously.

Your flaws mentioned are problems I had as well: Not releasing keys on time, losing my rhythm on triplets... I'm glad that I fixed them, but my speed on non-streamy patterns has stayed low because I've never been able to achieve a natural finger order without thinking about it really hard.

The only people I can imagine learning both single-tapping and alternating at the same time, without problems of style-interweaving, either play a musical instrument or have previous experience with other rhythm games. This immediately cuts the learning curve shorter since they have rhythm sense.

It is perfectly fine to swap between them on the same day once you know both - you can switch as often as you want.
Jordan
2keying isn't a bad habit.
thelewa
If you want to get faster at singletapping, yes it is
Aqo
Having some experience with alternating and having an alternating mindset can help with reading streams with variable spacing but otherwise singletapping is just better sadly ;w;
-Soba-
alternating>singletapping
Zexous

-Soba- wrote:

alternating>singletapping
hey nice explanation you got there soba
Naikaze
I don't think these habits are "bad" ? :?
-Soba-

Zexous wrote:

-Soba- wrote:

alternating>singletapping
hey nice explanation you got there soba
thnx
Winshley
My bad habit of tapping is that I tend to single-tap jumpy notes, even if it's above 130BPM (above my limit). Of course, I failed hard with this. :(

Also, I tense a lot while streaming, which may cause my cursor movement to go awkward. orz
mayainverse
why is everyone leaving out the 3rd play style? reprogram your keyboard so all keys are Z or X then do this



once i used this strategy i can stream at 420bpm.
nrl
Is that... legal?
Soulg

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

Is that... legal?
probably not, but then again if you could use 3+ keys and stream accurately at ANY bpm, let alone 220-300, then that's pretty good to me
Full Tablet

Soulg wrote:

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

Is that... legal?
probably not, but then again if you could use 3+ keys and stream accurately at ANY bpm, let alone 220-300, then that's pretty good to me
It doesn't even work.
RaneFire
osu!standard only sees 2 tapping buttons.
Mouse and keyboard share the same buttons so you already know it won't work if you remap your keyboard. The inputs are only labelled differently in the key-overlay for replay purposes.
mayainverse
impossible? pretty sure almost anything is possible with software.
DubSteppinNinja
Really late on this one but eh whatever, i started playing osu! mouse only single click for over year or more then switched over to keyboard alternating completely at first till i ran into problems, where i would be thrown off by some pattern of notes making it hard for me to keep up with some songs but that didn't stop me one bit made me wanna play harder and not give up (or the flood failed over 20 times before i beat it on hard at time) but then i switched it up over time because i played war in secondlife which requires wwe to jump so i applied that to some of the patterns i had trouble with solving them very well, as for streams those came natrual to the point now i dont over click streams like i used. Im always pushing how far i can go.. so i dont know about that statment not wanting to push themselves (atleast for some of use alternating players) cause now even if its 5 stars+ ill play with hidden even if i pass or fail, now for single tapping i found it alot easier right away (almost beat Xi-Breaking atmosphere with one finger only) my first few trys playing with single-tapp, to me single tapp is boring as all hell i would probably fall asleep during middle of song.
Yuudachi-kun
Wow
pandaBee

winber1 wrote:

There is also no problem with alternating, but as previous threads have stated, the thing about alternating is that although it is more relaxing than single-tapping, it often time doesn't force the player to push themselves.
That's not true. Just because I don't jackhammer my keyboard with a single finger doesn't mean it's not hard. Alternating forces you to either slow-stream notes or press with stiff fingers without using your wrist. Both of those are very difficult to do consistently.

Oh wait, this is a necro thread.
trebby
lol
Barusamikosu

pandaBee wrote:

Oh wait, this is a necro thread.
Only if drum drum classifies it as one. :D
drum drum
please dont necropost
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