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Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
Like the title,it is so hard for me to play with tablet(when change the mouse sensitivity to 1),It is like.. so hard to move it's too slow,any solution to change the problem?like change the speed(don't know how to)etc,just sent a massage to cookiezi to consult how to use the tablet,but he haven't reply(maybe ignore all from non-friends T_T).Because my speed is 3500DPI x 4x mouse sensitivity so its like very very very hard to play with tablet(when nothing with 1 mouse sensitivity(base)).Is it the only solution is just keep improving?(it is like so hard lol....(bought the tablet because i saw all those ranked top players(with tablet)they can spin like average 3++ spins per second)When i try only 1++ lol(with tablet),and the last thing is about the holding(how to hold the pen).Thanks if anyone can help me,will be really appreciate for any information ^^ Thanks ;)
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
3500dpi with 4x speed is terrible.

Change it to 450dpi with 1x speed.

Then just use it for a week and you'll get used to it; and tablet won't feel hard either.
Full Tablet
2,542 posts
Joined September 2011
Full Tablet
In the control panel of Windows you can change tablet settings to use a smaller area in the tablet.

Also, usually when you see a top player spinning 3xx, it means they aren't even trying to spin fast (spinning faster gives a negligible score bonus most of the time anyways).

About Aqo's suggestion, I think it is more efficient to learn how to use a tablet by using a tablet instead of a mouse. It may help a little if you are still going to use mouse for some things.
GensokyoAkuma
142 posts
Joined December 2010
GensokyoAkuma
This is how you're supposed to hold your pen, all other methods are inferior.

johandrossi
30 posts
Joined May 2013
johandrossi
It's important to note that it's also held in the left hand.
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
I mean i am using 3500DPI x 4 mouse sensitivty with my mouse and i can play well with it.But after using the tablet my cursor speed is so slow with tablet lol,Thanks for all the information.^^If i need any help i'll still continue asking,thanks you all for once again! ;)
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
I wanna ask if any chance to make the speed move faster?Because if i change the setting inside my osu!(mouse sensitivty become 4)with my tablet and its like.. running here and there (i cant control it),but if change the mouse sensitivty to 1(its like jesus so slow lol)--Haven't see the vedio,just anyhow ask first :3-i'll see the vedio can change anything or not
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

Full Tablet wrote:

In the control panel of Windows you can change tablet settings to use a smaller area in the tablet.

Also, usually when you see a top player spinning 3xx, it means they aren't even trying to spin fast (spinning faster gives a negligible score bonus most of the time anyways).

About Aqo's suggestion, I think it is more efficient to learn how to use a tablet by using a tablet instead of a mouse. It may help a little if you are still going to use mouse for some things.
But cookiezi is using this http://puu.sh/3cD8B.png,i just wanna try to follow him lol(as he's my idol in osu!).But i tried his style i literal cant even play easy map.. But yeah i'll consider using the smallest area--just afraid i cant improve and gone worst in osu! performance lol
Mathsma
473 posts
Joined March 2013
Mathsma
Make your tablet area very small and comfortable for you with force proportions enabled, and then over time slowly increase your tablet area until you reach full area. Also, keep your osu! in-game sensitivity set to 1.0x

When I first got my tablet I played on around half area because it felt similar in speed to my mouse sensitivity and over the course of 2 weeks I slowly changed my tablet area to full area, so you don't have to rush into getting your tablet area to full area. It might take a couple of months for you to get there, but you will with time and practice and it should be fine.
Kaeru
302 posts
Joined February 2013
Kaeru
Wait.. what? 3500 DPI and 4x mouse sensitvity? How does anyone play like this..

But yeah, as others are saying, try adjusting your play area on the tablet or get used to using the mouse with a lower DPI setting.
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

Kaeru wrote:

Wait.. what? 3500 DPI and 4x mouse sensitvity? How does anyone play like this..

But yeah, as others are saying, try adjusting your play area on the tablet or get used to using the mouse with a lower DPI setting.
hahaha,but yeah i really feel comfort with that speed,even wanted to buy a higher dpi mouse and put 4 sensitivty lol(my own prespective,faster the better but don't feel it right now ;x)gotta start all over again T_T
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
I still don't know which pen holding style is the best... tried all all fucked lol.. really like desperate now.. got a feeling like cannot improve.. emo.... :(
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

GensokyoAkuma wrote:

This is how you're supposed to hold your pen, all other methods are inferior.

Yeah still haven't try this,can u give me the details on how to hold the pen like him?
GensokyoAkuma
142 posts
Joined December 2010
GensokyoAkuma

zhuen1998 wrote:

Yeah still haven't try this,can u give me the details on how to hold the pen like him?
Thats me btw, and yeah, you just grab it and slide it over your tablet :|
here lemme give you a view from the other side



I'm resting the part of my arm like right before my elbow on the edge of my desk btw, so like my elbow is off of the table, and then my arm is lifted diagonally upwards and I just grab the pen and slide it around, note that this method is really tiresome and will hurt like fuck on longer maps untill you've practised it for like a couple of weeks. But since most osu! players are masochists it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Mathsma
473 posts
Joined March 2013
Mathsma
What I did to find a good pen holding style was mimic Cookiezi's pen grip and then play a couple games with it like that, and over time the pen slipped into a more comfortable grip and that is the grip I use now.

Here is a video of Cookiezi playing live so you can see his grip if you want to try using his.

Wishy
2,974 posts
Joined September 2010
Wishy
I'm gonna say the only thing you need to hear:

Get used to playing with a low sensitivity.
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

Mathsma wrote:

What I did to find a good pen holding style was mimic Cookiezi's pen grip and then play a couple games with it like that, and over time the pen slipped into a more comfortable grip and that is the grip I use now.

Here is a video of Cookiezi playing live so you can see his grip if you want to try using his.

Guess i'll be using this holding method.Currently improving-only problem is,i hold my pen too high lol,(because i afraid that the tip touch the board.Does cookiezi touches the board with the pen tip while playing?
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

Wishy wrote:

I'm gonna say the only thing you need to hear:

Get used to playing with a low sensitivity.
Yeah..
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki

GensokyoAkuma wrote:

zhuen1998 wrote:

Yeah still haven't try this,can u give me the details on how to hold the pen like him?
Thats me btw, and yeah, you just grab it and slide it over your tablet :|
here lemme give you a view from the other side



I'm resting the part of my arm like right before my elbow on the edge of my desk btw, so like my elbow is off of the table, and then my arm is lifted diagonally upwards and I just grab the pen and slide it around, note that this method is really tiresome and will hurt like fuck on longer maps untill you've practised it for like a couple of weeks. But since most osu! players are masochists it shouldn't be a problem, right?
I will see which pen holding is suitable for me,thankyou for helping me ^^
Mathsma
473 posts
Joined March 2013
Mathsma

zhuen1998 wrote:

Mathsma wrote:

What I did to find a good pen holding style was mimic Cookiezi's pen grip and then play a couple games with it like that, and over time the pen slipped into a more comfortable grip and that is the grip I use now.

Here is a video of Cookiezi playing live so you can see his grip if you want to try using his.

Guess i'll be using this holding method.Currently improving-only problem is,i hold my pen too high lol,(because i afraid that the tip touch the board.Does cookiezi touches the board with the pen tip while playing?
Cookiezi hovers his pen over the tablet. In order to learn how to hover well don't be afraid to let the tip of your pen touch the tablet sometimes because its better to touch the tablet occasionaly rather than hovering too high and having the tablet lose track of your cursor. With time and practice you will get used to hovering the pen right over the tablet and not touch it while playing.
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
[/quote]
Guess i'll be using this holding method.Currently improving-only problem is,i hold my pen too high lol,(because i afraid that the tip touch the board.Does cookiezi touches the board with the pen tip while playing?[/quote]
Cookiezi hovers his pen over the tablet. In order to learn how to hover well don't be afraid to let the tip of your pen touch the tablet sometimes because its better to touch the tablet occasionaly rather than hovering too high and having the tablet lose track of your cursor. With time and practice you will get used to hovering the pen right over the tablet and not touch it while playing.[/quote]
Yeah,should be okay now,just played few insane maps and get around 350 combo,kinda get used to it now-im using my own holding style-and its good for me just sometime spin kinda hard lol(300 np just cant get extra score) Thanks anyway for helping me so much ^^ hope u have a nice day
pitbull2k4
7 posts
Joined July 2012
pitbull2k4

GensokyoAkuma wrote:

zhuen1998 wrote:

Yeah still haven't try this,can u give me the details on how to hold the pen like him?
Thats me btw, and yeah, you just grab it and slide it over your tablet :|
here lemme give you a view from the other side



I'm resting the part of my arm like right before my elbow on the edge of my desk btw, so like my elbow is off of the table, and then my arm is lifted diagonally upwards and I just grab the pen and slide it around, note that this method is really tiresome and will hurt like fuck on longer maps untill you've practised it for like a couple of weeks. But since most osu! players are masochists it shouldn't be a problem, right?
Do you drag or hover? I assumed dragging since you said 'slide around', but I can't tell for sure by the video. I might actually try this since I've just started tablet a few days ago, so I'm not too set in my ways. I still find it awkward to get to the edges of the screen and if I start to move my wrist/arm I might aswell go all the way. Kind of a 'it's crazy enough that it might just work grip' (no offense) =)
Da Holy One
49 posts
Joined July 2010
Da Holy One
my current dpi is 2200 and i just changed the osu sensitivity to 1.2 so that it felt comfortable. Should I have changed the dpi instead of osu and if so what would be comparable settings to what I have now.

also I have the smallest viewport for my tablet settings is that something I should work on increasing or am I fine with just being used to this.

http://puu.sh/3yqp6.jpg
Mathsma
473 posts
Joined March 2013
Mathsma

Da Holy One wrote:

my current dpi is 2200 and i just changed the osu sensitivity to 1.2 so that it felt comfortable. Should I have changed the dpi instead of osu and if so what would be comparable settings to what I have now.

also I have the smallest viewport for my tablet settings is that something I should work on increasing or am I fine with just being used to this.

http://puu.sh/3yqp6.jpg
Its always better to change your dpi instead of using a multiplier. In your case a comparable dpi would be 2600 (2200*1.2). To answer your second question, in my opinion you should play with the most area that feels comfortable. I use full area with osu! at 1440x900 and I feel like I have great control over my cursor. I'm sure it is possible to play at a high level with a very small active area, but increasing the area would allow for more consistent play.
Mashiro Yuki
16 posts
Joined May 2012
Topic Starter
Mashiro Yuki
Still.. cant get full combo on any map T_T keep changing my holding pen(from my wrist)not sure how to stabilize the angle
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
Practice and you'll eventually get used to it.
astelios
60 posts
Joined June 2013
astelios
Hello, im a noob
I use:
Pen mode, the smaller area in tablet, force proportions, game sensitivity x1.
Yes, is a big change (i used to use sensitivity x4 too ><) but is a lot better for me now ^^
Da Holy One
49 posts
Joined July 2010
Da Holy One
ok so im now moderately confused, i have a logitech g9 mouse that is set to 2200 dpi as my normal. I set it using the logitech software
http://puu.sh/3yw95.jpg

i tried changing it to 400 dpi and while it works for my mouse making it move super slowly, it doesnt change the speed of my tablet at all.

How do i figure out/change the speed of my tablet/ the primary reason I have it set the sensitivity to 1.2 right now is because I already set my tablet area to the smallest proportion that I could and it still felt like it was moving slow so i raised the sensitivity in osu
GensokyoAkuma
142 posts
Joined December 2010
GensokyoAkuma

pitbull2k4 wrote:

Do you drag or hover? I assumed dragging since you said 'slide around', but I can't tell for sure by the video. I might actually try this since I've just started tablet a few days ago, so I'm not too set in my ways. I still find it awkward to get to the edges of the screen and if I start to move my wrist/arm I might aswell go all the way. Kind of a 'it's crazy enough that it might just work grip' (no offense) =)
Yup, I drag it against the tablet ^^
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Da Holy One wrote:

ok so im now moderately confused, i have a logitech g9 mouse that is set to 2200 dpi as my normal. I set it using the logitech software
http://puu.sh/3yw95.jpg

i tried changing it to 400 dpi and while it works for my mouse making it move super slowly, it doesnt change the speed of my tablet at all.

How do i figure out/change the speed of my tablet/ the primary reason I have it set the sensitivity to 1.2 right now is because I already set my tablet area to the smallest proportion that I could and it still felt like it was moving slow so i raised the sensitivity in osu
Changing the DPI of your mouse doesn't affect your tablet at all, because it's all dependant of the area size you've set in the tablet settings.

And wtf is really the smallest area too big for you? lol dude..

GoldenWolf wrote:

Practice and you'll eventually get used to it.
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
you can literally change the area to like 1cmx1cm and probably even smaller. I am assuming he is doing something wrong, or his tablet is complete crap. Probably doing something wrong though.

You should have tablet preferences somewhere on your computer and you should be able to change the area there. I don't know how the smallest area is too big for you, like Golden said.... like wtf how is that possible.

On topic with the OP: stop trying to copy people. Honestly just hold it in the first position you find to be comfortable. For me it was just an average pencil grip. I hold my pen exactly how i would hold a pencil. With practice you will learn how to use whatever grip you have.
Da Holy One
49 posts
Joined July 2010
Da Holy One
well for my mouse fori every inch i move it on the mousepad represents a fullscreen so 2 inches to the right i can go across both desktops.

ive always just planted my wrist on the tablet and only use my fingers so I can move the curser anywhere in osu
B00l3t
47 posts
Joined June 2013
B00l3t
Are there any benefits to using a smaller tablet area?
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