MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

Oh god, now look at what I did.

Look what "you" did? How can you be so certain it was you who derailed the atmosphere of this thread?

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Well, I say it wasn't you!

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have any proof that it does?

Survivor wrote:

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have any proof that it does?

This is MY case! I take the question!

awp wrote:

Look what "you" did? How can you be so certain it was you who derailed the atmosphere of this thread?

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Well, I say it wasn't you!

Had I not done the "Objection" pic back there, this song and dance would not have happened!
As evidenced with:

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

You even followed suit before this, saying:

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

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THEREFORE! I started it!

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not done the "Objection" pic back there, this song and dance would not have happened!
As evidenced with:

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

You even followed suit before this, saying:

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

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THEREFORE! I started it!

Take a look at this, if you will...

awp wrote:

Not sure if he would have been that clueless not to perform the obvious checks, but your hearts are in the right place.

This is the first reply to your Phoenix Wright reference. Notice it has nothing to do with Phoenix Wright? And how about the post to follow it...

TimeSplitter95 wrote:

A bird caught it!!! Sry... WHERE did you reach for it? I think it's hard to find the DS when you reached for it in an empty room, 'cause that means it could be 1000 miles away Well, 10 miles? Where have you been, who has been at the same place? *lol detective* ~I'd help if I could~

Once again, this has nothing to do with Phoenix Wright! One may be a fluke, but two looks more like a pattern to me!

Here's the third reply to your outburst:

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

This is the first Phoenix Wright reference made since your objection. It was made by the same author who replied to you the first time, where he did not follow with a Phoenix Wright mannerism.

Therefore, you didn't start the trend, you merely encouraged ME to derail this thread into Phoenix Wright mannerisms!

awp wrote:

Take a look at this, if you will...

awp wrote:

Not sure if he would have been that clueless not to perform the obvious checks, but your hearts are in the right place.

This is the first reply to your Phoenix Wright reference. Notice it has nothing to do with Phoenix Wright? And how about the post to follow it...

TimeSplitter95 wrote:

A bird caught it!!! Sry... WHERE did you reach for it? I think it's hard to find the DS when you reached for it in an empty room, 'cause that means it could be 1000 miles away Well, 10 miles? Where have you been, who has been at the same place? *lol detective* ~I'd help if I could~

Once again, this has nothing to do with Phoenix Wright! One may be a fluke, but two looks more like a pattern to me!

Here's the third reply to your outburst:

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

This is the first Phoenix Wright reference made since your objection. It was made by the same author who replied to you the first time, where he did not follow with a Phoenix Wright mannerism.

Therefore, you didn't start the trend, you merely encouraged ME to derail this thread into Phoenix Wright mannerisms!

Had I not made the post, you would have no encouragement!

And I'm sure you recall the post immediately following yours:

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

This, again, would not have happened had I not posted.
And on top of that, it was directly influenced by my post, not yours!

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

I call your slippery slope! To say "Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!" is to imply that Phoenix Wright memes have never been performed on the internet before, and that you were the first! This is simply not true.

MusicFan wrote:

And even still, if not then, then my next post would have, as it had given you grounds to pop that "Hold it!"

Need I remind you that we are talking about the facts here - there is no need or want for "What if"s!

Furthermore...

MusicFan wrote:

And I'm sure you recall the post immediately following yours:

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

This, again, would not have happened had I not posted.

While that is true, take another look at what Survivor posted - notice anything unusual about it? Or should I say,

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Notice a lack of anything unusual about it?! While Survivor is discussing Phoenix Wright, there are no Phoenix Wright memes in his post whatsoever! What do you have to say about that?

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awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

I call your slippery slope! To say "Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!" is to imply that Phoenix Wright memes have never been performed on the internet before, and that you were the first! This is simply not true.

Yes, I am obviously not the first.

HOWEVER!

You yourself admitted that I had influenced you!

awp also wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And even still, if not then, then my next post would have, as it had given you grounds to pop that "Hold it!"

Need I remind you that we are talking about the facts here - there is no need or want for "What if"s!

I see why you think that was a "What if". But here's something that's both:

What if I hadn't posted that second post? What then?

We wouldn't be having a Phoenix Wright fight!

(because I can't put the following in a quote, I have to leave it like this)

Furthermore...

MusicFan wrote:

And I'm sure you recall the post immediately following yours:

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

This, again, would not have happened had I not posted.

While that is true, take another look at what Survivor posted - notice anything unusual about it? Or should I say,

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Notice a lack of anything unusual about it?! While Survivor is discussing Phoenix Wright, there are no Phoenix Wright memes in his post whatsoever! What do you have to say about that?

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Simple.

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Its the only post between your and my second posts! (on this thread)
So how can you say that this was your fault?!

(A question to anyone else reading this.
Is anyone having any enjoyment from this? I know I am )

Need I remind you that once again, that "second post" which you speak of lacks Phoenix Wright memes! These memes do not start being consistent until the following post!

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Which was written by me! That is how I could say it was I who derailed the atmosphere of this thread!

awp wrote:

Need I remind you that once again, that "second post" which you speak of lacks Phoenix Wright memes! These memes do not start being consistent until the following post!

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Which was written by me! That is how I could say it was I who derailed the atmosphere of this thread!

Let's go to the very beginning.

I post an "Objection" pic, objecting to a matter made obvious in the post.

This post encouraged you to write something of similar relations, even though
it wasn't your first one on the thread. Then Survivor posted about his strange
happening.

After that, I posted, stating that I believed I had started something, to
which you argued.

True, they didn't start getting consistent until you posted, but
this consistency you speak of is us arguing!
Therefore is irrelevant!

This is about what happened BEFORE your third post!

Your second post was influenced by my first!

Survivor's post was also influenced by my first post!

My second was influenced by your second and Survivor's first posts!

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Your third post was influenced by my second!

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MusicFan wrote:

True, they didn't start getting consistent until you posted, but
this consistency you speak of is us arguing!

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On what grounds do you make this claim?! I am not debating who started the argument! That is a black and white issue. What I have been arguing was the derailment of this thread's attitude and atmosphere! This fact makes it entirely relevant!

MusicFan wrote:

Your second post was influenced by my first!

My "second" post? If you influenced me, why would it have not taken effect on my first post? Why? Because, I say, the first influence of thread derailment was your reply to my first Phoenix Wright meme! Why was my Phoenix Wright meme the first influence and not yours? Why, posting an Objection gif was a good start, but you failed to follow through with the meme, thus leaving it at a simple hotlink!

MusicFan wrote:

Survivor's post was also influenced by my first post!

Oh, was it? Would you care to look at the post order once more? His first Phoenix Wright meme...

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directly followed mine!

MusicFan wrote:

My second was influenced by your second and Survivor's first posts!

Your second was "influenced" by my second and Survivor's first posts? I say it was more of a trend at this point - caused by my derailment!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

True, they didn't start getting consistent until you posted, but
this consistency you speak of is us arguing!

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On what grounds do you make this claim?! I am not debating who started the argument! That is a black and white issue. What I have been arguing was the derailment of this thread's attitude and atmosphere! This fact makes it entirely relevant!

Not so, as I was referring to the cause of the argument.
Without a cause, an argument cannot happen!

That, and you seem to miss that I said that the derailment had to happen
before your third post.

awp also wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Your second post was influenced by my first!

My "second" post? If you influenced me, why would it have not taken effect on my first post? Why? Because, I say, the first influence of thread derailment was your reply to my first Phoenix Wright meme!

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WRONG!

At the time, there was no need for another Phoenix Wright meme!

FURTHERMORE! The post you speak of would have to be your third...

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The one when you said a derailment had been made!

And again, furthermore! I point out your last line on this block of quote:

awp wrote:

the first influence of thread derailment was your reply to my first Phoenix Wright meme!

You flat out say I caused this!

TRY AGAIN!

I won't win my case on mere slip-ups alone!

And as for the post following your first, it was simply following the main topic.
The one you and I have screwed.

Which makes me wonder if some forum mod will lock this topic. Moving on...

awp also wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Survivor's post was also influenced by my first post!

Oh, was it? Would you care to look at the post order once more?

Then allow me to clarify.

I was referring to Survivor's first post.

awp also wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

My second was influenced by your second and Survivor's first posts!

Your second was "influenced" by my second and Survivor's first posts? I say it was more of a trend at this point - caused by my derailment!

For all of this to hold water, you would have to say that your "derailment" is independent to my post!

However, you leave me wondering: which post of yours do you claim this "derailment"?

As for determining independence, let's try that, shall we?

Let's say my first post didn't happen. What would the effects be?

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

This may have been able to exist if my first post didn't happen.
But you said you were encouraged by my post to write something relative to
Phoenix Wright. So this post would either be different or not exist at all!
And furthermore...

Back there, awp also wrote:

Why, posting an Objection gif was a good start, but you failed to follow through with the meme, thus leaving it at a simple hotlink!

This hotlink you speak of is still one I caused!

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

This should be obvious. If my first post didn't exist, this wouldn't have happened,
as stated earlier.

And while we're here, I might as well add that Survivor posted when the
event took place, if not a little while after, but not because after seeing your post!

My second post, which I cannot put here because of quote limitations, also
would not exist, as I commented on the two posts immediately before that one.

awp wrote:

Look what "you" did? How can you be so certain it was you who derailed the atmosphere of this thread?

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Well, I say it wasn't you!

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With all the previous posts proven impossible without my first, this post becomes
complete nonsense! Because, hypothetically, I did not state my thought that
I caused this, this post loses meaning, therefore cannot exist!

Survivor wrote:

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have any proof that it does?

Now we come to the post you contend my previous post with. Once more, with all previous posts
proven impossible without my first, this also finds itself without a subject, therefore,
cannot exist.

And so on, and so on, etc.

Independent?

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I THINK NOT!

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Both your posts are dependent on mine!

I shall also go so far as to say that despite all this, I still don't see why you
think this was your fault. Yet why I caused it is perfectly clear!
But I know you won't go without contending any of this, so I ask you...

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EXPLAIN!
Spell it out for the court, so that they may understand!

MusicFan wrote:

Not so, as I was referring to the cause of the argument.
Without a cause, an argument cannot happen!

And are you saying without an argument, a Phoenix Wright meme could not happen? That's simply folley.

MusicFan wrote:

That, and you seem to miss that I said that the derailment had to happen before your third post.

Are you seriously making the allegation that inconsistency can be a trend? I'm sorry, I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt in not saying something so simply false. My third post was the beginning of this string of Phoenix Wright mannerisms. Until that point, nobody was intent on derailing this thread in such a direction.

MusicFan wrote:

At the time, there was no need for another Phoenix Wright meme!

And that is exactly why your claims of derailment are moot! If you truly derailed the thread into Phoenix Wright, then I would have followed immediately with a Phoenix Wright meme!

MusicFan wrote:

FURTHERMORE! The post you speak of would have to be your third...

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The one when you said a derailment had been made!

Why, you're right for a change. My third post is the start of the derailment.

MusicFan wrote:

And again, furthermore! I point out your last line on this block of quote:

awp wrote:

the first influence of thread derailment was your reply to my first Phoenix Wright meme!

You flat out say I caused this!

TRY AGAIN!

Wrong! I flat out say you influenced me to cause this!

MusicFan wrote:

I won't win my case on mere slip-ups alone!

No...dare I say it will be your downfall!

MusicFan wrote:

And as for the post following your first, it was simply following the main topic.
The one you and I have screwed.

Exactly! That's because the thread had not yet been derailed!

MusicFan wrote:

Which makes me wonder if some forum mod will lock this topic.

I could not allow that until we have gotten to the bottom of this, once and for all. A simple splitting of the topic would suffice!

MusicFan wrote:

Then allow me to clarify.

I was referring to Survivor's first post.

You mean the one that had no Phoenix Wright memes in it? Oh, do tell me what point you're getting at here.

MusicFan wrote:

For all of this to hold water, you would have to say that your "derailment" is independent to my post!

However, you leave me wondering: which post of yours do you claim this "derailment"?

It has gone on record several times that it is the third post of mine that I am referring to. Try to pay attention?

MusicFan wrote:

As for determining independence, let's try that, shall we?

Let's say my first post didn't happen. What would the effects be?

Need I remind you again that we're interested in the facts, not "what if" theories of parallels!

MusicFan wrote:

This may have been able to exist if my first post didn't happen.
But you said you were encouraged by my post to write something relative to
Phoenix Wright. So this post would either be different or not exist at all!

Present the "proof" to your claims, if you will!

MusicFan wrote:

And furthermore...

This hotlink you speak of is still one I caused!

Once again, you prove my points so I don't have to. A simple reference is not enough to derail if it is not followed up. Which, of course, it wasn't!

Survivor wrote:

Holy crap! Just as I saw the "OBJECTION!" picture, Investigation ~ Cornered started up on osu! (I leave it on and circulating through songs)

MusicFan wrote:

This should be obvious. If my first post didn't exist, this wouldn't have happened,
as stated earlier.

And again, you're adept at proving my own points. What does this have to do with Phoenix Wright memes, hmm?

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Nothing!

MusicFan wrote:

And while we're here, I might as well add that Survivor posted when the
event took place, if not a little while after, but not because after seeing your post!

Could we please keep our focus on the matter at hand and leave our pointless ramblings out of this? If you're going to reach for ideas, make sure they're topical.

MusicFan wrote:

My second post, which I cannot put here because of quote limitations, also
would not exist, as I commented on the two posts immediately before that one.

"What if", "What if", "What if"! We are not debating theories, we are debating facts!

MusicFan wrote:

With all the previous posts proven impossible without my first,

This time, you're outright SAYING you have proof! I implore you to present it!

Until you are able to show valid proof that this derailment was caused by you, I shall have none of your wild theories. Need I remind you to leave pointless conjectures, "What if"s and proclamations of having proof out of this. What the court needs are proof and the facts.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Not so, as I was referring to the cause of the argument.
Without a cause, an argument cannot happen!

And are you saying without an argument, a Phoenix Wright meme could not happen?

That's exactly what I'm saying. The only Phoenix wright memes we've been using
are "Objection!", "Hold it!", and "Take that!". Would you post these in anything other
than an argument?

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No! You wouldn't!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

That, and you seem to miss that I said that the derailment had to happen before your third post.

Are you seriously making the allegation that inconsistency can be a trend? I'm sorry, I thought I'd give you the benefit of the doubt in not saying something so simply false. My third post was the beginning of this string of Phoenix Wright mannerisms. Until that point, nobody was intent on derailing this thread in such a direction.

So then you say that you knew that your third
post would be a derailment? Let's have a look.

awp wrote:

Look what "you" did? How can you be so certain it was you who derailed the atmosphere of this thread?

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Well, I say it wasn't you!

You make it quite clear that some derailment was before this post. Yes, the memes
get consistent from here, but I'm more interested in is what else is in them.

I turn your attention to the following post.

Survivor wrote:

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have proof that it does?

Now look at the first line, and see what it implies. He could not find the derailment
you claim to have made in that post. Either that, or he wanted to post some random line
from the game...

And furthermore... If you did indeed know at the time that that post was a derailment,
then why didn't you, on that post, say a derailment did not
happen before then at all?!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

At the time, there was no need for another Phoenix Wright meme!

And that is exactly why your claims of derailment are moot! If you truly derailed the thread into Phoenix Wright, then I would have followed immediately with a Phoenix Wright meme!

I hope you thought of why I said this.

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(...but I THINK (60%) I can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

To post another Phoenix Wright meme here would mean that you believe that this
user truly could solve the original mystery on his/her own! Secondly,
The other users tried to help before this post. To say "I think I could solve this"
after all that is quite the statement, don't you think? Objectionable, even?

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

FURTHERMORE! The post you speak of would have to be your third...

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The one when you said a derailment had been made!

Why, you're right for a change. My third post is the start of the derailment.

I don't wish to say the same thing twice on the same post. But, at least I'm not
confused on which post you claim to have been a derailment. Thank you for clearing
that up.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And again, furthermore! I point out your last line on this block of quote:

awp wrote:

the first influence of thread derailment was your reply to my first Phoenix Wright meme!

You flat out say I caused this!

TRY AGAIN!

Wrong! I flat out say you influenced me to cause this!

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

I won't win my case on mere slip-ups alone!

No...dare I say it will be your downfall!

Only if you crash into me >.>

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And as for the post following your first, it was simply following the main topic.
The one you and I have screwed.

Exactly! That's because the thread had not yet been derailed!

Well, you didn't have to put my last line in there, but you got me thinking.

I shall show you my thoughts by the end of my post.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Which makes me wonder if some forum mod will lock this topic.

I could not allow that until we have gotten to the bottom of this, once and for all. A simple splitting of the topic would suffice!

I wondered because I did not know you had such power. But since you do,
then by all means, let our argument continue.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Then allow me to clarify.

I was referring to Survivor's first post.

You mean the one that had no Phoenix Wright memes in it? Oh, do tell me what point you're getting at here.

I will, but not yet.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

As for determining independence, let's try that, shall we?

Let's say my first post didn't happen. What would the effects be?

Need I remind you again that we're interested in the facts, not "what if" theories of parallels!

To answer a question, sometimes you must ask another!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And furthermore...

This hotlink you speak of is still one I caused!

Once again, you prove my points so I don't have to. A simple reference is not enough to derail if it is not followed up. Which, of course, it wasn't!

This point is considered in my forementioned thoughts.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And while we're here, I might as well add that Survivor posted when the
event took place, if not a little while after, but not because after seeing your post!

Could we please keep our focus on the matter at hand and leave our pointless ramblings out of this? If you're going to reach for ideas, make sure they're topical.

This was due to confusion on my part. You are correct, it is a little off topic.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

My second post, which I cannot put here because of quote limitations, also
would not exist, as I commented on the two posts immediately before that one.

"What if", "What if", "What if"! We are not debating theories, we are debating facts!

MusicFan wrote:

With all the previous posts proven impossible without my first,

This time, you're outright SAYING you have proof! I implore you to present it!

Until you are able to show valid proof that this derailment was caused by you, I shall have none of your wild theories. Need I remind you to leave pointless conjectures, "What if"s and proclamations of having proof out of this. What the court needs are proof and the facts.

Now for the moment you've been waiting for, awp.

*sigh* I stand down from saying I caused the derailment myself.
I now finally realize that the point of derailment was indeed your third post.
To say I was a direct cause was indeed folly.

But there is one thing you cannot deny!

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

MusicFan wrote:

...What if I hadn't posted that second post? What then?

We wouldn't be having a Phoenix Wright fight!

Musicfan wrote:

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

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I am an indirect cause!

I remind you that your derailment only happened because of the immediate 3 posts before
AND my first!

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All of which were either influenced or written by me!

Sorry for the double post, but I can't help but wonder...

awp hasn't posted in this for an entire day...

Is this an admittance of defeat?

Or is there some other reason?

In any case, I might as well start getting back on the original topic.

We killed a good bit of time... Turbam, have you found your DS yet?

MusicFan wrote:

Sorry for the double post, but I can't help but wonder...

awp hasn't posted in this for an entire day...

Is this an admittance of defeat?

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Why, I was hoping you would take the bait and present me with the perfect opportunity to make a dramatic return to this argument! If you thought the battle was over, then hang on to your pipe dream because a storm is coming!

MusicFan wrote:

That's exactly what I'm saying. The only Phoenix wright memes we've been using
are "Objection!", "Hold it!", and "Take that!". Would you post these in anything other
than an argument?

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

A Phoenix Wright meme, don't you think? And how about the colouring of important phrases? Also familiar?

MusicFan wrote:

You make it quite clear that some derailment was before this post. Yes, the memes
get consistent from here, but I'm more interested in what else is in them.

...A well-played objection. I commend your efforts, but you are once again reaching for what isn't there. I was merely pointing out that your assumptions were incorrect, by saying, "you did not derail this thread" in so many words! At that point, I made no statement on who derailed the thread, or if the thread had even been derailed at all!

MusicFan wrote:

I turn your attention to the following post.

Survivor wrote:

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have proof that it does?

Now look at the first line, and see what it implies. He could not find the derailment
you claim to have made in that post. Either that, or he wanted to post some random line
from the game...

That is not true!

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He was acting on a Phoenix Wright meme, and arguing that point in an entirely fluent Phoenix Wright manner. Nor was he implying he couldn't find the derailment - he was saying it was irrelevant!

MusicFan wrote:

And furthermore... If you did indeed know at the time that that post was a derailment,
then why didn't you, on that post, say a derailment did not
happen before then at all?!

Hahaha...well, if you weren't such an ameteur, you would know not to give your opponents information, no matter how irrelevant it may appear to be!

MusicFan wrote:

I hope you thought of why I said this.

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(...but I THINK (60%) I can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

To post another Phoenix Wright meme here would mean that you believe that this
user truly could solve the original mystery on his/her own! Secondly,
The other users tried to help before this post. To say "I think I could solve this"
after all that is quite the statement, don't you think? Objectionable, even?

Speculation is not fact, and posting another Phoenix Wright meme would make absolutely no implication at all with regards to whether or not I believed he could solve the aforementioned problem on his own. Not only that, it has no bearing on the case!

MusicFan wrote:

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

Trying to get another Slippery Slope past me, even after the first one didn't work? You're either brave or forgetful.

I'd like to remind you that there is no real merit to what you say here. If you chose to "spontaneously" reference Phoenix Wright, there is absolutely no reason why I might not do the same!

MusicFan wrote:

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

I won't win my case on mere slip-ups alone!

No...dare I say it will be your downfall!

Only if you crash into me >.>

Fear not - when you're already at the bottom, you will not fall far.

MusicFan wrote:

To answer a question, sometimes you must ask another!

And to make any progress, you have to stop going in circles!

MusicFan wrote:

Now for the moment you've been waiting for, awp.

*sigh* I stand down from saying I caused the derailment myself.
I now finally realize that the point of derailment was indeed your third post.
To say I was a direct cause was indeed folly.

But there is one thing you cannot deny!

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

Time and time again, I ask you! Where is the proof behind this claim! Are you absolutely positive I would not do so out of spontinaety?!

MusicFan wrote:

...What if I hadn't posted that second post? What then?
We wouldn't be having a Phoenix Wright fight!

Hmph! Well...

Musicfan wrote:

Musicfan wrote:

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

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I am an indirect cause!

I remind you that your derailment only happened because of the immediate 3 posts before
AND my first!

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All of which were either influenced or written by me!

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That...that is a far reach! What about the two posts between your first post, and the three preceeding derailment? Were they just a "mistake"? Did they "just not notice you the first time"? Pray tell, what are your thoughts on that, if you seem so intent on grabbing onto what isn't there!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Sorry for the double post, but I can't help but wonder...

awp hasn't posted in this for an entire day...

Is this an admittance of defeat?

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Why, I was hoping you would take the bait and present me with the perfect opportunity to make a dramatic return to this argument! If you thought the battle was over, then hang on to your pipe dream because a storm is coming!

I knew you wouldn't give up so easily. And I'm sure you know that
I wouldn't say I won unless you admitted defeat. You never cease to
amaze me in this thread.

In fact, my day was starting to get boring.

Let the argument resume!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

That's exactly what I'm saying. The only Phoenix wright memes we've been using
are "Objection!", "Hold it!", and "Take that!". Would you post these in anything other
than an argument?

awp wrote:

needs more Decisive Evidence

A Phoenix Wright meme, don't you think? And how about the colouring of important phrases? Also familiar?

Also, confusion on my part. Since this is harder to see, allow me to explain. Briefly.

When you spoke of memes up to this point, I thought that you were referring to
the pics we've been using so often. But now that you mention it, that is a meme.

(Memes... I haven't known much about them until now... mostly definition.)

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

You make it quite clear that some derailment was before this post. Yes, the memes
get consistent from here, but I'm more interested in what else is in them.

...A well-played objection. I commend your efforts, but you are once again reaching for what isn't there. I was merely pointing out that your assumptions were incorrect, by saying, "you did not derail this thread" in so many words! At that point, I made no statement on who derailed the thread, or if the thread had even been derailed at all!

(we need a flashy "Take that!" pic.)

Not there, huh?

Notice, I hadn't made a statement that I had derailed the thread!

Looking at those two posts before my second at the time, I believed I had started what would be a
string of Phoenix Wright references, memes or not!

At that time, I did not think I had derailed the thread, as your first meme was
relevant to the topic. Survivor's post was somewhat off topic, but not enough
to be called a derail.(I'm stating what's been stated again, aren't I?)

The derail, which has been established, was not a complete one until your third post.
But this was due to a misunderstanding on your part!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

I turn your attention to the following post.

Survivor wrote:

That does not concern the case at hand! Or do you have proof that it does?

Now look at the first line, and see what it implies. He could not find the derailment
you claim to have made in that post. Either that, or he wanted to post some random line
from the game...

That is not true!

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He was acting on a Phoenix Wright meme, and arguing that point in an entirely fluent Phoenix Wright manner. Nor was he implying he couldn't find the derailment - he was saying it was irrelevant!

Very true. I had missed that possibility. But that makes me wonder...

Why do you think he said that then?

Is it possible he saw my point before I did?
*kicks self for not seeing any of this before*

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And furthermore... If you did indeed know at the time that that post was a derailment,
then why didn't you, on that post, say a derailment did not
happen before then at all?!

Hahaha...well, if you weren't such an ameteur, you would know not to give your opponents information, no matter how irrelevant it may appear to be!

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Gah! Of course! why didn't I think of that?!
*kicks self harder*

However, I was still able to squeeze what I needed from you.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

{insert my first post here}

To post another Phoenix Wright meme here would mean that you believe that this
user truly could solve the original mystery on his/her own! Secondly,
The other users tried to help before this post. To say "I think I could solve this"
after all that is quite the statement, don't you think? Objectionable, even?

Speculation is not fact, and posting another Phoenix Wright meme would make absolutely no implication at all with regards to whether or not I believed he could solve the aforementioned problem on his own. Not only that, it has no bearing on the case!

Speculation? Hardly. This was an explanation!
And I remind you, during that time I was under the impression that a Phoenix Wright
meme was one of those often used pictures.

As for it's relevancy, it's completely relevant, albeit based on incorrect information.
But in the end, you are correct, it is wrong.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

Trying to get another Slippery Slope past me, even after the first one didn't work? You're either brave or forgetful.

I'd like to remind you that there is no real merit to what you say here. If you chose to "spontaneously" reference Phoenix Wright, there is absolutely no reason why I might not do the same!

And I'd like to remind you that you were encouraged, NOT
pulling one out of nowhere! As you've said, facts, not "mights"!
And you didn't disprove my first shot, either! Allow me to show you!

MusicFan wrote:

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

I call your slippery slope! To say "Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!" is to imply that Phoenix Wright memes have never been performed on the internet before, and that you were the first! This is simply not true.

Yes, I am obviously not the first.

HOWEVER!

You yourself admitted that I had influenced you!

And there it ended! If you dropped this line because you thought I was being absurd,
then why didn't you prove me wrong right then and there?

Well here's your chance!

Tell me,right here, right now, where I am wrong!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:I won't win my case on mere slip-ups alone!

No...dare I say it will be your downfall!

Only if you crash into me >.>

Fear not - when you're already at the bottom, you will not fall far.

Oh, why you little... a quite well thought retort. Congratulations.

But we'll see who's already there soon enough.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

To answer a question, sometimes you must ask another!

And to make any progress, you have to stop going in circles!

Hey, I think I just found the exit from the circuit! (About time...)

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Now for the moment you've been waiting for, awp.

*sigh* I stand down from saying I caused the derailment myself.
I now finally realize that the point of derailment was indeed your third post.
To say I was a direct cause was indeed folly.

But there is one thing you cannot deny!

MusicFan wrote:

Had I not posted, you would have no encouragement!

Time and time again, I ask you! Where is the proof behind this claim! Are you absolutely positive I would not do so out of spontinaety?!

If I were not positive, would I even dare to post this again?

I've answered this back there. Again, I don't want to repeat things in the same post.
(On a side note, it's "spontaneity")

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

...What if I hadn't posted that second post? What then?
We wouldn't be having a Phoenix Wright fight!

Hmph! Well...

Now we're getting somewhere! You imply admittance that you third post is dependent
on mine!

Something needs an update...

awp wrote:

Musicfan wrote:

Musicfan wrote:

And without my influence, you wouldn't have enough reason to cause it!

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I remind you that your derailment only happened because of the immediate 3 posts before
AND my first!

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All of which were either influenced or written by me!

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That...that is a far reach! What about the two posts between your first post, and the three preceeding derailment? Were they just a "mistake"? Did they "just not notice you the first time"? Pray tell, what are your thoughts on that, if you seem so intent on grabbing onto what isn't there!

Read more carefully, please.
I said your derailing post was caused by the three before it and my first.
The other two? They had nothing to do with it.

Still on the ground?

Then allow me to show you the ladder in the vines!

I turn your attention back to my previous "theorizing".
And I ask that you consider it not a "What If", but an explanation!

But it's a little outdated, so I'll redo the entire thing, minus reposting those posts.
(I fear I may be reaching that 60k character limit here...)

The beginning, my first Phoenix Wright meme, and the first in the thread.
A meme, but on topic nonetheless.

The next, your first post in the thread, commenting on how the thread author should
have checked the obvious places, but that we were doing a good thing, trying to help.

After that, timesplitter's post, remaining on topic.

Then, encouraged by my meme, posted a meme of your own, while remaining on topic.

Survivor then posted of his happening. Let me tell you, I will jump off a cliff before I have to
explain how his and my posts are related again.

This was a derail, but too minor to effect the thread.

Then I posted again, noting that I had either effected or directly caused these two posts.
I knew I had started some sort of Phoenix Wright reference barrage, albeit inconsistent.
Perhaps I should have been clearer on that day...? Too late now.

Then you posted, under the impression I was implying that I had started a derailment.
But I hadn't, and you knew this, so you argued my post.

Once again, I tell you that I was an indirect cause!

And I further state that a consistency is not required to begin one!

MusicFan wrote:

This was a derail, but too minor to effect the thread.

Fact. A failed derail does not result in a derailment. The thread was successfully derailed when awp had posted his own Phoenix Wright memes.

This ruling is hereby in favor of MusicFan.

Case closed.

S-so, you influenced me. I even said that myself.

But! I remind you! This argument is not something that you caused! This argument is something

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that you encouraged me to cause!

Saturos wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

This was a derail, but too minor to effect the thread.

Fact. A failed derail does not result in a derailment. The thread was successfully derailed when awp had posted his own Phoenix Wright memes.

This ruling is hereby in favor of MusicFan.

Case closed.

That's funny...that was the point that I was making. Are you telling me that we're both winners?

Please!

awp wrote:

S-so, you influenced me. I even said that myself.

But! I remind you! This argument is not something that you caused! This argument is something

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that you encouraged me to cause!

And where would we be if you had no such encouragement? Hm?

Not in a derail! Or an argument!

Once more, I turn your attention to the original nature of my theorizing.
A what if, yes, but it does show the dependency of your posts to mine!

If you were to remove either of my posts, this argument/derail could not have happened!
Actually, if you remove any of the four Phoenix Wright referencing
posts before the derailment, you would get the same result!

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But remove my first and everything falls apart!

So why all this "what if"-ing now? Simple. To better illustrate that your derailment
could not have happened without my first post! Or a bare minimum, my second!

(Dang, it's been a couple days, I thought you were trying to pull another "Gotchya!".)

Saturos wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

This was a derail, but too minor to effect the thread.

Fact. A failed derail does not result in a derailment. The thread was successfully derailed when awp had posted his own Phoenix Wright memes.

This ruling is hereby in favor of MusicFan.

Case closed.

Now hold on a second. Yes, a failed derail it was, but look at the following post.
This is the one that I claim has given the most encouragement to awp to derail.
Without it, a derail the way this one exists cannot happen, period!

And to awp, I think he's trying to say that you won, not the both of us.
We're going for a guilty verdict, not innocent.

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But I'm not done yet! (unless this case is indeed over )

Pardon my interruption, but I think the latest happenings in this topic shows what really happened.

Saturos wrote:

Fact. A failed derail does not result in a derailment. The thread was successfully derailed when awp had posted his own Phoenix Wright memes.

Take a closer look at the post that followed Mr. Saturos, most importantly, this segment of Mr. awp's post:

awp wrote:

S-so, you influenced me. I even said that myself.

But! I remind you! This argument is not something that you caused! This argument is something

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that you encouraged me to cause!

Let's look at the meaning of "Influence"
1. the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others

"A compelling force on or produce effects on the actions of others"

MusicFan influenced awp to post his memes, and according to Saturos, "The thread was successfully derailed when awp had posted his own Phoenix Wright memes."

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MusicFan caused awp's memes! awp admitted it himself in the quote above!

"A derail is failed if it does not lead into a derailment", MusicFan's posts led into awp's post, which would be what caused the derailment of the thread. Thus we separate MusicFan's "derail" from awp's "derailment". I invite the court do decide which one cause the topic to assume such a behavior.

You interruption is more than pardoned, it's welcome.

Thank you for making my point even clearer.

(But darnit, I wish I had done that myself.)

This is too amusing. Just as I thought we had reached new levels of insight and observation, you shatter my optimism. Are you actually trying to argue that you were a factor in this argument? Don't even bother! An argument requires at least two differing opinions, and I can only produce one. By default, someone else is necessary, and that someone was you. Let's move on.

I have admitted that you influenced me to cause a Phoenix Wright themed argument. If I knew you would fly off the handle on this, trust me, I wouldn't have bothered. I commend your efforts to fuel the fire, Survivor, but you're far too eager for your own good, and I'm afraid you may have slipped. Let's take a look at why:

Survivor wrote:

Let's look at the meaning of "Influence"
1. the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others

"A compelling force on or produce effects on the actions of others"

This is absolutely true. I'm not going to argue facts - that would make me a hypocrite and I wouldn't want to look foolish. I believe some people here may know how that feels?

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan caused awp's memes! awp admitted it himself in the quote above!

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it was impossible for more than one event to influence a course of action. I wonder why I missed that...

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Because it's false! While it holds true that MusicFan was an influencing party, he was not the only one. If you want details, another such post was one of my own!

And before you fly off the handle, I'd like to point out that influences can come from any source. They are not limited to the scope of this thread. In fact, I think one of the most prominent players in this "influencing" was none other than my DS.

Without tapping into my very consciousness, or creating one of these parallel universes you seem so fond of, it is impossible to say that MusicFan caused my post, as it was caused by numerous factors, and he just happened to be one of them.

MusicFan wrote:

But I'm not done yet!

Hmm...then why'd you stop?

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...

(Dammit! It's flawless!... I... I got nothing more... I'm sorry I can't be of any more help, MusicFan...)

Survivor wrote:

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...

(Dammit! It's flawless!... I... I got nothing more... I'm sorry I can't be of any more help, MusicFan...)

It's quite alright, you gave me what I needed. Flawless? Hardly.

Allow me to show you.

(And don't stutter and mumble, it makes you sound like you've lost.)

awp wrote:

I have admitted that you influenced me to cause a Phoenix Wright themed argument. If I knew you would fly off the handle on this, trust me, I wouldn't have bothered. I commend your efforts to fuel the fire, Survivor, but you're far too eager for your own good, and I'm afraid you may have slipped. Let's take a look at why:

Survivor wrote:

Let's look at the meaning of "Influence"
1. the capacity or power of persons or things to be a compelling force on or produce effects on the actions, behavior, opinions, etc., of others

"A compelling force on or produce effects on the actions of others"

This is absolutely true. I'm not going to argue facts - that would make me a hypocrite and I wouldn't want to look foolish. I believe some people here may know how that feels?

Survivor wrote:

MusicFan caused awp's memes! awp admitted it himself in the quote above!

I'm sorry, I didn't realise it was impossible for more than one event to influence a course of action. I wonder why I missed that...

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Because it's false! While it holds true that MusicFan was an influencing party, he was not the only one. If you want details, another such post was one of my own!

And before you fly off the handle, I'd like to point out that influences can come from any source. They are not limited to the scope of this thread. In fact, I think one of the most prominent players in this "influencing" was none other than my DS.

Time and time again, I remind you, you said I influenced you. You had
two chances to pull this up before, so why now?

Yes, you were part of the influencing party, but also not the only one, besides me.
I'm sure you recall that Survivor's post also played a role in this.

But, it's not just that. It's my second post that is the prominent player!
Namely, this line here!

MusicFan wrote:

oh god, now look at what I started.

Without this line, your derailment cannot exist the way it does!
Yes, I know you don't care who started the argument. But let's make one thing clear.

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The beginning of the derailment is also the beginning of our argument!
Essentially, the derailment IS the argument!

Therefore, and quite obviously; had there been nothing to argue over, there would be no derail!

And before you go to the quote button, I'd like to make it clear that
your DS can only provide the influence of posting a meme.
But it still needs a reason to be posted, and your DS cannot provide that!

But I did!
Both times!

I also remind you that we are trying to figure the reason of the derail, not that it had a meme, or whether or not it did!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

But I'm not done yet!

Hmm...then why'd you stop?

Oh, did I?

MusicFan wrote:

Time and time again, I remind you, you said I influenced you. You had
two chances to pull this up before, so why now?

What can I say? Lulling you into a false sense of security tickles my funny bone. Also, do you remember what I said about not giving your opponent information? I do like to plan these things ahead of time. I'd highly recommend it.

MusicFan wrote:

Yes, you were part of the influencing party, but also not the only one, besides me.
I'm sure you recall that Survivor's post also played a role in this.

But, it's not just that. It's my second post that is the prominent player!
Namely, this line here!

MusicFan wrote:

oh god, now look at what I started.

Without this line, your derailment cannot exist the way it does!
Yes, I know you don't care who started the argument. But let's make one thing clear.

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The beginning of the derailment is also the beginning of our argument!
Essentially, the derailment IS the argument!

Therefore, and quite obviously; had there been nothing to argue over, there would be no derail!

I thought I specifically requested that we refrain from bringing up the issue that differing opinions are needed for an argument. That is elementary. Stop wasting everyone's time with irrelevant details.

MusicFan wrote:

And before you go to the quote button, I'd like to make it clear that
your DS can only provide the influence of posting a meme.
But it still needs a reason to be posted, and your DS cannot provide that!

Are you positive?

Take a look at the title of this thread. If you've forgotten what this thread was about because we've travelled so far off the beaten path, I don't blame you. This thread was originally about what?

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A DS!

Are you suggesting it's impossible for one's DS to be the topic of discussion? I do believe that it is not farfetched to think that the topic of discussion can also be the reason for the discussion.

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As is this case right here!

MusicFan wrote:

I also remind you that we are trying to figure the reason of the derail, not that it had a meme, or whether or not it did!

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

But I'm not done yet!

Hmm...then why'd you stop?

Oh, did I?

If you did, you wouldn't have run the risk of tripping and falling.



Sorry for looking out for you.

awp wrote:

I thought I specifically requested that we refrain from bringing up the issue that differing opinions are needed for an argument.

Well, you didn't.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And before you go to the quote button, I'd like to make it clear that
your DS can only provide the influence of posting a meme.
But it still needs a reason to be posted, and your DS cannot provide that!

Are you positive?

Take a look at the title of this thread. If you've forgotten what this thread was about because we've travelled so far off the beaten path, I don't blame you. This thread was originally about what?

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A DS!

Are you suggesting it's impossible for one's DS to be the topic of discussion? I do believe that it is not farfetched to think that the topic of discussion can also be the reason for the discussion.

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As is this case right here!

The topic wasn't about a DS alone. It was what happened to it.

And no, I'm not saying it's impossible that a DS can start a topic.

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What I am saying is that it's impossible for yours to have started this derailment!

The only way your DS could be of any influence was if it had a copy of one of the Phoenix Wright games in it!
And that alone is not enough for a complete derail!

awp wrote:

Sorry for looking out for you.

Help not wanted is not help at all.
And since when in this thread have you looked out for me?

MusicFan wrote:

The topic wasn't about a DS alone. It was what happened to it.

Yes, what happened to it. This suggests that it is the source of the initial conversation.

MusicFan wrote:

And no, I'm not saying it's impossible that a DS can start a topic.

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What I am saying is that it's impossible for yours to have started this derailment!

What was running through my head when I made the derailment? Do you know? No, you don't, do you?

Perhaps I was thinking, "Phoenix Wright is fantastic! I should try roleplaying one of these arguments!" Wouldn't that fit perfectly into the grand scheme of things? Of course! Because I DID want to give it a try!

MusicFan wrote:

The only way your DS could be of any influence was if it had a copy of one of the Phoenix Wright games in it!

Is it acceptable if I have two Phoenix Wright games in my DS?

MusicFan wrote:

And that alone is not enough for a complete derail!

This already proves you were not the sole instigator, and therefore, didn't cause it.

MusicFan wrote:

Help not wanted is not help at all.
And since when in this thread have you looked out for me?

Not too long ago, when I was giving you a chance to step down to avoid digging yourself a deeper hole.

Hey guys, I got a new DS lite, its pretty...although...there is one problem.

(search music)

What ever happened to my friends copy of Ouendan 2?

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And no, I'm not saying it's impossible that a DS can start a topic.

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What I am saying is that it's impossible for yours to have started this derailment!

What was running through my head when I made the derailment? Do you know? No, you don't, do you?

Perhaps I was thinking, "Phoenix Wright is fantastic! I should try roleplaying one of these arguments!" Wouldn't that fit perfectly into the grand scheme of things? Of course! Because I DID want to give it a try!

You still would need something to argue about, and that I provided!

(But I have to admit, a good brain-twister from time to time is good to have.)

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

The only way your DS could be of any influence was if it had a copy of one of the Phoenix Wright games in it!

Is it acceptable if I have two Phoenix Wright games in my DS?

If you think about it, it's not possible, sort of.
The only way to have two of any game in a DS at once is to have a DS card and a GBA copy of it.
The Phoenix Wright on GBA wasn't called "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney", but
some other name in japanese whose name eludes me.

But, even under these circumstances, it is acceptable.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And that alone is not enough for a complete derail!

This already proves you were not the sole instigator, and therefore, didn't cause it.

That phrase was a supplemental for this:

MusicFan wrote:

And before you go to the quote button, I'd like to make it clear that
your DS can only provide the influence of posting a meme.
But it still needs a reason to be posted, and your DS cannot provide that!

Next time, when you pick out a sentence I wrote, please try to figure out what else it is a part of.

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Hey guys, I got a new DS lite, its pretty...although...there is one problem.

(search music)

What ever happened to my friends copy of Ouendan 2?

Well, shouldn't it be obvious? It's in the DS that was lost.
The question is; where is it?

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awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

Well, shouldn't it be obvious? It's in the DS that was lost.
The question is; where is it?

That does not concern the case at hand does it?

Or...



Maybe it does! This is a perfect example of a DS causing someone to post something!

This was a mere reply to a post. It had no bearing on this case.

Well, well. You've successfully gotten me stuck.

Turbam!!! wrote:

Hey guys, I got a new DS lite, its pretty...although...there is one problem.

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What ever happened to my friends copy of Ouendan 2?

Uh... flash card?

Looks like your thread got hi-jacked by awp and musicfan

My dear chan, have you not noticed that I had replied to his post?
We are paying attention.

As for the hijacking, it will end soon.

Scratch that, I will end it now.

Let me show you why I am stuck.

awp first said that I had influenced him. Here's how.
My first post, if you think about it, was an invitation for others to post their own.
From my first post, he was influenced to post his own meme.
His next meme may or may not have been from still being under this influence.
I say "may or may not" because this story doesn't have a known cause for this.

Now, awp says that his DS was his influence. Here's how.
We all darn well know that these memes come from a game called Phoenix Wright.
And we all know that it is a DS game. So, it is possible that his first meme was from that entirely.
He also stated that he wanted to roleplay such a style argument, thus his second meme.
And in the process of posting this second meme, he created his own case.

Quite frankly, the DS story seems to have answers to questions the previous possibility does not.

It was an elaborate scheme, creating his own evidence like that.

Too bad it's about to blow up in his face.

There is a very specific term used for such an action.
The "making a derailment" action.

It's called trolling!
And for those who do not fully understand, the definition: (taken from wikipedia)

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response.

(taken from curezone.com)

An "Internet troll" or "Forum Troll" or "Message Board Troll" is a person who posts outrageous messages to bait people to answer.

Yes! awp intended in making a derail!
This, as already stated, was also an argument!
But he needed another person, so he lured me to join him!

awp is indeed guilty!

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Come to your senses at last, have you? At this point, I only need to stress - or dare I say repeat - that more than one influence may be present when causing an action. DS, Desire, Boredom, Curiosity...all are to be taken into account. But, it doesn't matter.

Those words have already escaped your lips.

I am guilty.

Guilty is such an ugly word - I would go with something more along the lines of victorious, but that's all in the details.



Your efforts, however, ARE to be congratulated.

And the accusation flies over everyone's head. Whoop-a-dee-doo.

It was a worthy fight. Your efforts cannot go without congratulations themselves.

As a Chessmaster after his victory would say, or a good sport who just lost, good game.



This has been an Osu! community ad-lib production. We now return you to your previous topic.

Now what am I going to do at work?

That's your problem, not mine

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Now it's your problem.

You're inviting danger into this thread once more, kiddo.

Which is why I would like to suggest we make some sort of Phoenix Wright thread,
and have our fights there. That way, it would- hey, wait a minute...

Me? Endanger the thread again?

For me to endanger the thread again, I would have to provide a controversial statement,
and I have not. Because, of course, your entertainment is not my responsibility.

But since I'm a nice guy, I'll try and help anyway. Just use my suggestion.

MusicFan wrote:

Just use my suggestion.

After the startling failure that was this thread that's probably not going to go over too well.

You obviously wanted something to do at work, I was just bouncing an idea off you.
And whoever said a failed thread had to be only that?

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I say that what happened here could be a good idea for a forum game!
But I find it quite hard for that to be my decision.

Hmm...

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That's...a good idea. Randomly invading threads and subtly derailing them into a Phoenix Wright Court Case would be a highly entertaining and engaging pastime. If only it weren't so destructive to the forum experience...

On the other hand, perhaps we could write ideas to later be implemented into LuigiHan's idea of a flash-based Phoenix Wright parody.

awp wrote:

Randomly invading threads and subtly derailing them into a Phoenix Wright Court Case would be a highly entertaining and engaging pastime. If only it weren't so destructive to the forum experience...

I didn't mean it that way...
But it does seem to be the most logical approach to that idea, sadly.

What I did mean was that we make an entirely new thread for our cases.
But to make a case that way would be kinda hard, now that I think about it...

EDIT: Oops, didn't realize there was a link back there.

awp wrote:

On the other hand, perhaps we could write ideas to later be implemented into LuigiHan's idea of a flash-based Phoenix Wright parody.

He's doing one? I didn't get that memo.

MusicFan wrote:

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And no, I'm not saying it's impossible that a DS can start a topic.

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What I am saying is that it's impossible for yours to have started this derailment!

What was running through my head when I made the derailment? Do you know? No, you don't, do you?

Perhaps I was thinking, "Phoenix Wright is fantastic! I should try roleplaying one of these arguments!" Wouldn't that fit perfectly into the grand scheme of things? Of course! Because I DID want to give it a try!

You still would need something to argue about, and that I provided!

(But I have to admit, a good brain-twister from time to time is good to have.)

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

The only way your DS could be of any influence was if it had a copy of one of the Phoenix Wright games in it!

Is it acceptable if I have two Phoenix Wright games in my DS?

If you think about it, it's not possible, sort of.
The only way to have two of any game in a DS at once is to have a DS card and a GBA copy of it.
The Phoenix Wright on GBA wasn't called "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney", but
some other name in japanese whose name eludes me.

But, even under these circumstances, it is acceptable.

awp wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

And that alone is not enough for a complete derail!

This already proves you were not the sole instigator, and therefore, didn't cause it.

That phrase was a supplemental for this:

MusicFan wrote:

And before you go to the quote button, I'd like to make it clear that
your DS can only provide the influence of posting a meme.
But it still needs a reason to be posted, and your DS cannot provide that!

Next time, when you pick out a sentence I wrote, please try to figure out what else it is a part of.

Turbam!!! wrote:

Hey guys, I got a new DS lite, its pretty...although...there is one problem.

(search music)

What ever happened to my friends copy of Ouendan 2?

Well, shouldn't it be obvious? It's in the DS that was lost.
The question is; where is it?

Gyakuten Saiban. I'm Terribly nit-picky.

Jaz wrote:

MusicFan wrote:

The Phoenix Wright on GBA wasn't called "Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney", but
some other name in japanese whose name eludes me.

Gyakuten Saiban. I'm Terribly nit-picky.

Fixed. And thanks for finding that.

Any time. And sorry for the ultra long quote... :S

Ahh... This brings back memories of my first anime convention, AMECON '06. I remember the time I lost my Nintendo DS, in the dealers room and spent half of my day tracing my footsteps to every dealer table I visted. I gave up in the end and just enjoyed my day. The next day, however, its was found by the staff of "Tokyo Toys". I was so over joyed, that a literally ran around the place screaming my head off saying that my Nintendo DS was found XD!
Sorry to here about that O__O, I really do hope you can make it up to your buddy some how.
**Pats him/her on the back**

~AO Tenshi

MusicFan wrote:

fritz214 wrote:

(... but i THINK (60%)i can solve this)

You? More rather "we". I wanna help too! Check your other pants!

And if they happen to be there, better hope they didn't go through the wash :S

yep you are right (more like Mr.Wright)now,yes we might solve this