I have been getting out of my comfort zone of jumps, I feel like for my rank I can do some stuff. (I almost passed Milk Crown on Sonnetica, the 9* Milk Shake, for example)
But I think that I won't get anywhere without knowing how to stream. I set a goal of being able to atleast get halfway past Logical Stimulus (I know that map is hard af)
I'm gonna describe my problem.
For example Sidetracked day, it's 188 BPM. I can stream it pretty decently (every say 10 notes I get a 100, I'm happy with it for now) until I run out of stamina of course, however if I try to pass logical stimulus (185BPM) I get past the first part, but then in the stream it's just 100 100 100 100 100 50 50 50 50 50 X X X X and then fail.
Started to VOD review, and I noticed it was my aim not aiming correctly. After practicing aiming the spaced streams correctly, along with the spacing changes in Logical Stimulus, I don't miss as much, however I still get 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 100 and eventually missing and failing.
I don't understand, almost the same BPM, Same AR. I don't know why my accuracy in streams is so different in between those maps.
Any help?

So you say you want to learn to stream and start off with maps way way way outside your level?? Start with 4* streams seriously...

I'm here for the challenge not the pp, I have played so much 7* that 5-6* just feels slow and not challenging (even though I can't FC it lol)
I used Sidetracked day and Logical Stimulus because those are maps I want to pass, I play easier maps too.
I asked for tips, and that's not what you gave me dude. Why comment if you're not going to give what I asked for?

I did gave you a tip stupid.

Noone asked you to be rude, I wasn't being rude.
You literealyl called me stupid for absolutely no reason, and telling me "play 4 star map haha 6 digit huff) is not a fucking tip.
Not saying I'm good either, but your mentality is just dumb.
You joined 8 years ago, you're top 30000 with 33 days of playtime, and don't even have a 300pp play, and you're telling me stick to 4*? You know why you can't get 300pp? Because you're scared. You don't wanna go out of your comfort zone, unlike me trying to get into stream maps.
Sit down kid, go play harder maps other than 4* + HDDT to try to improve and do something other than complain about people with lesser ranks, if I didn't quit playing this game for pp and didn't have a 1 year break I'd willing to bet money I can do better than you in any map, no matter the mod.
Thanks for your 0 contribution

First of all, thanks for assuming the reason I play this game. As you can probably tell from looking at my history, I haven't set a real score in around 5-6 years... I literally don't play this game for pp any more which is why I haven't set a 300pp score.

Second, you asked for advice and I gave it to you. You want to learn to get better accuracy on streams and I said you should look to play easier maps. It's your choice to completely disregard my advice but to say that it's not real advice is silly. I can guarantee you that you would improve your streaming accuracy much faster following my advice than by going the route you're going.

And third, I am playing harder maps than those old scores I used to set. You literally have no idea what type of maps I spend most of my time playing. If you keep assuming things about other people based on old information, you're going to make yourself look more like an idiot.

Oh, and I'd love to take you up on your bet. Love free money.

Almost wrote:

you're going to make yourself look more like an idiot.

I think it's already happened.

Play easier maps. You don't learn driving a car by competing in rally or F1 races, do you?

If you can't FC, it doesn't matter unless it's a thing no one has done yet. So if your in for a challenge, learn to FC, because that's way more impressive than getting passes with B ranks or worse.

VurZ wrote:

I'm here for the challenge not the pp

And this guy here gave you a tip to make you better at streams not to gain more pp...

Seriously? That's not how people exactly call "going out of comfort zone". You can't even FC 5-6*, which means 5-6* maps are still far out of your own zone. Also PP system is broken, but it's still a standard scale to determine player's skill. If you don't want to gain pp, then leave. We aren't here for useless arguments like this.

VurZ wrote:

Noone asked you to be rude, I wasn't being rude. [epic orchestra music starts playing]
You literealyl [correction: literally] called me stupid for absolutely no reason, and telling me "play 4 star map haha 6 digit huff) is not a fucking tip.
Not saying I'm good either, but your mentality is just dumb.
You joined 8 years ago, you're top 30000 with 33 days of playtime, and don't even have a 300pp play, and you're telling me stick to 4*?????????? You know why you can't get 300pp???????? Because you're scared. [music intensifies] You don't wanna go out of your comfort zone, unlike me trying to get into stream maps.
Sit down kid, [the crowd goes wild] go play harder maps other than 4* + HDDT to try to improve and do something other than complain about people with lesser ranks-blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah random flexing stuff blah blah blah blah blah blah blahblah blah blah~

Thanks for your 0 contribution

godamn, i can feel the anger in this post, and its all caused because the dude was trying to help him.

Hi VurZ!

Let's start things off with your problem about streaming.

You ran out of your comfort zone. This problem should be easy, you just play a simpler stream maps from a 4 star map, like Almost said.

I will talk about your behaviour later on...

Then, you get a decent score on a 188BPM but failed miserably on a 185BPM. Sometimes, I too have an experience that I excel a 190BPM but failed at 175BPM. The stream pattern for 175BPM is way too complex and too long compared to a 190BPM stream for me. So, play a 4 star map in which the stream pattern is too straightfoward to follow.

Also, I'm going to talk about your behaviour later...

Actually you know what, let's move on to the next topic!

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Almost wrote:

So you say you want to learn to stream and start off with maps way way way outside your level?? Start with 4* streams seriously...

VurZ wrote:

I'm here for the challenge not the pp, I have played so much 7* that 5-6* just feels slow and not challenging (even though I can't FC it lol)
I used Sidetracked day and Logical Stimulus because those are maps I want to pass, I play easier maps too.
I asked for tips, and that's not what you gave me dude. Why comment if you're not going to give what I asked for?

Ok, VurZ. There are reasons why Almost wants you to play a 4 star map;

1.) Take a small leap, and eventually you'll get a big step to your success. Almost wants you to master your streams. Every player, even professionals, started playing an easier maps before proceeding to a more difficult map. This is to gain stamina quickly with a greater aim with less 100 scores or instantly failed like you have experienced. You can't just skip over your training just because you can "pass" that map. No, that's not how practising works. It's just like, you're doing work, passed it and move on without taking a look back or revise it.

2.) You're taking your steps too big. Sure, 5 and 6 stars are plainly slow but sometimes slowly and steady wins the race. I don't think that proverb fits perfectly with this situation... Anyways, I'm talking about Zel's statement here;

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Seriously? That's not how people exactly call "going out of comfort zone". You can't even FC 5-6*, which means 5-6* maps are still far out of your own zone.

Look, you're out of your comfort zone and you're trying hard. Stop with that training. It won't do you good enough. Your real goal is to expand your comfort level. Here's the problem, you're still weak at 5 and 6 stars; only being able to say, "Oh, I pass it at the end. I almost fail. I'm pro. Let's move on to a harder-". STOP! I don't like people who practised their playstyle as the example from the previous sentence. Just... Get yourself used to the other easier difficulties with no problems before taking a step. I have no idea what to say. I'm done here.

Actually you know what?

I don't tolerate with this type of behaviour. Your attitude of being boastful, ego and never appreciate someone's advice. I can't say no more.

I can't think how will I'm going to help you because I know that you will feel unappreciated and angry.

Also guess what? I'm done. Have a nice day!

I have posted here,
JustABeginner. (a.k.a. JAB.)

P.S.: The more I'm coming out some points to a people who aren't appreciated, the more words I can't think off anymore.

Last note before moving on, or waiting for GMT to lock this thread before something bad happen:

Yes us here are more suck ass than you (excluding Almost and Ryuto, everyone here are 6-digit, me in particular is 800k), but unless you swipe your ego aside and actually practice, there's no chance you'll improve anything here. Don't think it will make you a noob, since the difficulty gap between even just 2* and 3* is really large. The fact that you go straight to hard maps without making sure if you can be able to pass them with at least A rank is what make you a noob at this game.

That's it. We're done here. Try to rethink your reactions to advices we gave, and what you have caused to this thread.

JustABeginner. (a.k.a. JAB.) guy knows

Almost and JAB hit the nail on the head. I think osu would benefit from some form of actual ingame tutorialization of the improvement process.

So new players dont end up like OP

Lights wrote:

Almost and JAB hit the nail on the head. I think osu would benefit from some form of actual ingame tutorialization of the improvement process.

So new players dont end up like OP

Sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure it really solves much of the problem. The main issue is how much of an ego players like OP have. The idea they have is that being able to play higher star maps means you have more skill - finesse means nothing to them. Many of these same players also seem to lament that their pp doesn't reflect their actual skill levels and any suggestion that they lower the difficulty is taken as an attack on their ego.

Almost wrote:

Lights wrote:

Almost and JAB hit the nail on the head. I think osu would benefit from some form of actual ingame tutorialization of the improvement process.

So new players dont end up like OP

Sounds like a good idea but I'm not sure it really solves much of the problem. The main issue is how much of an ego players like OP have. The idea they have is that being able to play higher star maps means you have more skill - finesse means nothing to them. Many of these same players also seem to lament that their pp doesn't reflect their actual skill levels and any suggestion that they lower the difficulty is taken as an attack on their ego.

I would imagine that ego is partially built from a false sense of improvement early on. Surely its not foolproof, but if it can put that false sense of initial improvement into perspective, it would at least help some people. If someone's ego is too big to take advice coming from the game itself seriously, then thats their problem.

my tips are:

-try to control low bpm streams first (150bpm-160bpm)
-play more
-never give up

and btw u guys should chill lol, it's the forum.

edit: u should play on ur outside comfort zone but not too outside

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ThemSandwich wrote:

I like turtles

bruh

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

ThemSandwich wrote:

I like turtles

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Bruh moment

ThemSandwich wrote:

I like turtles

same

This was an interesting thread...

I don't think you understand how difficult the end of 9* milk crown on sonnetica is but back on topic.

The reason why the bpm could feel different may be due to the OD of the map. (Which affects the timing)

Having lower OD on the map may allow you to tap a bit earlier or later on the said map. While having a higher OD will require you to be more, how would I say it? Precise?

One of the things I do on streams is that I don't force my fingers to tap. I just let it do its thing.

Just try https://ckrisirkc.github.io/osuStreamSpeed.js/newindex.html set at 500 clicks.

and stream normally, don't overdo it naturally. Just keep alternating those fingers at your sweet spot and find out your bpm. After finding it you may have an easier time seeing what you're doing wrong - either overstreaming or understreaming with how you're controlling your fingers during the map.

guys just chill

OP, listen here
The reason you still get those 100's and end up failing is because you don't have the stamina (overall speed) to keep going.

You should play short and fast bursts (play doubletime), that way streaming will be easier.
Increasing overall speed is way more important for newer players imo.

If you don't have the speed, there's no need to play stream maps.
Because accuracy and finger control (which is what you're going to get better at when playing stream maps) doesn't mean shit when you don't have the speed and stamina to execute the fast movements with your fingers over longer periods of time.

hmm

Streams bad

start with easy stuff
and then go up

Play outside your comfortzone but logical stimulus is way to hard you wont really improve from playing maps like that

Flameystick wrote:

Play outside your comfortzone but logical stimulus is way to hard you wont really improve from playing maps like that

bruh why necro a 2-month-old thread. We don't want to involve ourselves with this anymore.