none more so than regular mafia...Nyquill wrote:
KM is honestly mostly luck. Questions can only get you so far.
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2 days.. still nothing.
Well it's basically time up and Haruka still hasn't said a word.
Execute: Haruka
Execute: Haruka
Topic Starter
VOTE COUNT:
Not Voting (7) - Lincolm, Rantai, Kanye West, Makar, Haruka, Nyquill, Sync
The King has selected Haruka to be executed!
It was a very quiet day with minimal discussion.
Was it because everyone was afraid to speak out - to give wrong impressions?
Either way, at the end of the day, the King selected someone to execute.
Haruka was selected to be the unlucky one. The waters would once again be tested.
Haruka - Villager - Executed D2
IT IS NOW NIGHT 2.
SEND IN ACTIONS IN 24 HOURS.
Not Voting (7) - Lincolm, Rantai, Kanye West, Makar, Haruka, Nyquill, Sync
The King has selected Haruka to be executed!
It was a very quiet day with minimal discussion.
Was it because everyone was afraid to speak out - to give wrong impressions?
Either way, at the end of the day, the King selected someone to execute.
Haruka was selected to be the unlucky one. The waters would once again be tested.
Haruka - Villager - Executed D2
IT IS NOW NIGHT 2.
SEND IN ACTIONS IN 24 HOURS.
Topic Starter
It was similar to last night.
The Assassins went ahead and decided to kill another.
This time, Sync was selected to be killed.
His body was found strewn across the town square.
The Assassins were surely sending a message across.
Would this be victory for the Assassins?
Sync - Villager - Killed N2
IT IS NOW DAY 3.
DEADLINE IS IN 6 DAYS.
The Assassins went ahead and decided to kill another.
This time, Sync was selected to be killed.
His body was found strewn across the town square.
The Assassins were surely sending a message across.
Would this be victory for the Assassins?
Sync - Villager - Killed N2
IT IS NOW DAY 3.
DEADLINE IS IN 6 DAYS.
This is not good. If the king is mafia, we are going to losing. If not, myslynch and lose. If not, still D4 in this state again. 
Seeing our mod :
Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:12 pm (21 hours ago)
Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:31 pm (41 minutes ago)
Seems mafias pretty sure with their choice.
Any way, any analyze on night kill? I don't find anything ISO Sync.
@Rantai : Why Haruka? Seems she was still on busy state that it is not a reason to lynch her.
Seeing our mod :
Sat Nov 24, 2012 9:12 pm (21 hours ago)
Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:31 pm (41 minutes ago)
Seems mafias pretty sure with their choice.
Any way, any analyze on night kill? I don't find anything ISO Sync.
@Rantai : Why Haruka? Seems she was still on busy state that it is not a reason to lynch her.
She was a null tell. Inactivity can hide a mafia and I'd prefer not to deal with that later on. I gave her 2 days to say ANYTHING of significance, even suggesting replacement if she couldn't participate. Honestly though, I waited until the very last minute. On the other hand Makar has done crap all too but that execution also gives me a tiny bit more information (albeit minimal).
Moving on though, what do we know?
- The current king is a townie as we would have lost by now if the king was mafia. By this, the kingmaker knows his choice was a town.Unless the mafia kills us right now
- Not much else as the kingmaker may have moved (I originally thought Sync was the kingmaker)
Where does that leave us? Well if played right, the fact that the kingmaker knows the king as town should give town a small edge this day. Otherwise we're stuck in another empty pool of info.
For the record, I suspect Kayne and Nyquill for now due to weak reads from the previous days, but judging by what little I know of Lincolm's meta, he could be playing us. Got nothing on Makar.
Moving on though, what do we know?
- The current king is a townie as we would have lost by now if the king was mafia. By this, the kingmaker knows his choice was a town.
- Not much else as the kingmaker may have moved (I originally thought Sync was the kingmaker)
Where does that leave us? Well if played right, the fact that the kingmaker knows the king as town should give town a small edge this day. Otherwise we're stuck in another empty pool of info.
For the record, I suspect Kayne and Nyquill for now due to weak reads from the previous days, but judging by what little I know of Lincolm's meta, he could be playing us. Got nothing on Makar.
Because it was almost deadline, I cannot blame for it.
Well, if town is king now, he is absolutely save our day, but now we still have 3 people not come out (which are I think 1 of them is king (yes,I'm not)), so let see what happen when they coming.
@Kanye,Makar,Nyquill : Please post something when you come.
Well, if town is king now, he is absolutely save our day, but now we still have 3 people not come out (which are I think 1 of them is king (yes,I'm not)), so let see what happen when they coming.
@Kanye,Makar,Nyquill : Please post something when you come.
Hi.
Personally I think it was not wrong for Rantai to execute Haruka. She really was unable to play and time was ending so it was a good idea to lynch the inactive player.
Sorry but I have no idea what to say.
Prod: Kanye, Nyquill
For some reason I have suspicious on them because of how those two communicated with each other on the thread, but I need to read over the thread again for this. I just want to see if they have anything to say, this game has kinda been dead.
Personally I think it was not wrong for Rantai to execute Haruka. She really was unable to play and time was ending so it was a good idea to lynch the inactive player.
Sorry but I have no idea what to say.
Prod: Kanye, Nyquill
For some reason I have suspicious on them because of how those two communicated with each other on the thread, but I need to read over the thread again for this. I just want to see if they have anything to say, this game has kinda been dead.
Rantai, can you explain why you executed Haruka even though you were so apprehensive of my initial suggestion?
King should claim now, since it would confirm you since if you are scum you would have executed someone and won the game.
If you recall, I didn't disagree with your suggestion. I was jumping on the fact that you were suggesting it as an initial plan of action (generally I'd reserve inactive lynching if there is nothing else to go on, in this case we had 2 whole days of no talk) as opposed to trying to dig for some sort of info first.Kanye West wrote:
Rantai, can you explain why you executed Haruka even though you were so apprehensive of my initial suggestion?
Just incase you had any funny ideas
...suggesting to throw away a lynch into an inactive right off the bat
I assume this post tell us,"I'm not king".Nyquill wrote:
King should claim now, since it would confirm you since if you are scum you would have executed someone and won the game.
So the king are in Rantai, Kanye, or Makar. I wonder why no one want to claim proven 100% as town in here.
I think Makar is king and KM got randomized. So now I'm pretty sure Nqyuill and Lincolm are scum. I of course have no way to prove this, might as well go through the thread tomorrow and see what I can find
Hi, I'm king
I have read through the thread again. Lincolm seems town to me based on how he is trying to find information. Rantai seems town to me because of how he went about executing Haruka (things said before, reasoning, etc).
Kanye and Nyquill still seem suspicious to me... Who did you think was KM D1 and why did you think that at first (before you changed your mind to it being Sync)? You seemed pretty certain. Only thing I can think of is that if you are scum, you have less options as who you think is KM.
I have read through the thread again. Lincolm seems town to me based on how he is trying to find information. Rantai seems town to me because of how he went about executing Haruka (things said before, reasoning, etc).
Kanye and Nyquill still seem suspicious to me... Who did you think was KM D1 and why did you think that at first (before you changed your mind to it being Sync)? You seemed pretty certain. Only thing I can think of is that if you are scum, you have less options as who you think is KM.
Oh, I thought you were KM day 1 simply because you were most likely to king nyquill. You can still have an idea of who you think KM is as a townie, just saying. You just have to be smarter about it. And now I know that Sync was KM and it got randomized.
And I wouldn't be so certain of Lincolm or Rantai being town either. If you haven't noticed, Lincolm plays more actively than this as town and tends to take more risks, which he isn't doing. And it wouldn't be too hard for Rantai to lynch an inactive (who he may have known to be town), and give an excuse of inactivity.
As for Nyquill, why is he suspicious to you?
Also, be reminded this is LyLo, with a 50/50 chance. We shouldn't take these odds and must find the best possible lynch.
And I wouldn't be so certain of Lincolm or Rantai being town either. If you haven't noticed, Lincolm plays more actively than this as town and tends to take more risks, which he isn't doing. And it wouldn't be too hard for Rantai to lynch an inactive (who he may have known to be town), and give an excuse of inactivity.
As for Nyquill, why is he suspicious to you?
Also, be reminded this is LyLo, with a 50/50 chance. We shouldn't take these odds and must find the best possible lynch.
We have Makar as King and town. KM is in between 4 people (who can't hint or reveal his role, but he is town).
Short of, taking risk is too late, and I have no gambit strategy in here. Because all of us is active, this would be good to searching information now.
Okay, let's see the scenario here : (town%/scum%)
D3 :
Well, we have 50%/50%. If we know the kingmaker without kingmaker give hint, the success gain to 67%/33%.
N3 :
100% Makar killed at night, because Makar the only one 100% town. The proof are scenario list below.
If not, random target except Makar. In this case because Makar the only 100% town, Makar should be the king.
D4 :
I should say, we should at least find another 1 town to absolute win.
Short of, taking risk is too late, and I have no gambit strategy in here. Because all of us is active, this would be good to searching information now.
Okay, let's see the scenario here : (town%/scum%)
D3 :
Well, we have 50%/50%. If we know the kingmaker without kingmaker give hint, the success gain to 67%/33%.
N3 :
100% Makar killed at night, because Makar the only one 100% town. The proof are scenario list below.
If not, random target except Makar. In this case because Makar the only 100% town, Makar should be the king.
D4 :
- D4 No Makar :
25%/75%. My god! - D4 with Makar as king:
50%/50% depends on Makar execute who. If kingmaker alive and we know the kingmaker, should be 100%.
- D4 with Makar not king:
25%/75%. Another My god!
I should say, we should at least find another 1 town to absolute win.
Hmm.
Mod: Are non-kingmakers allowed to bogus claim kingmaker?
Mod: Are non-kingmakers allowed to bogus claim kingmaker?
By the way, this is wrong. After calculate again, this should be 50%/50%. This is why I should not post at midnight.Lincolm wrote:
D4 with Makar not king:
25%/75%. Another My god!
There is no prohibition about this, but let see what our mod answer first.Rantai wrote:
Hmm.
Mod: Are non-kingmakers allowed to bogus claim kingmaker?
Topic Starter
I thank you for pointing out a loophole which may have been exploited.Rantai wrote:
Mod: Are non-kingmakers allowed to bogus claim kingmaker?
No it isn't allowed. If you claim KM, you get modkilled.
Thought so, that'd be way too easy.
Lincolm, who do you think is scum and why?
Lincolm, who do you think is scum and why?
Same question to Nyquill too.
Well, I prefer townread because scumread is haaaaaard, so :
Rantai :
His post I can see he is probably town. This post. Trying to get biggest advantage for town.
Nyquill :
Null. I don't see anything strange.
Kanye :
Another null. I don't see anything strange again.
@Nyquill : Share your thought about who is previous KM please? Or maybe he is still alive?
@Makar : I really forgot this. Why you delay your king claim?
Rantai :
His post I can see he is probably town. This post. Trying to get biggest advantage for town.
Nyquill :
Null. I don't see anything strange.
Kanye :
Another null. I don't see anything strange again.
@Nyquill : Share your thought about who is previous KM please? Or maybe he is still alive?
@Makar : I really forgot this. Why you delay your king claim?
Prod: Nyquill
I delayed king incase somebody decided to say something stupid or accuse me for some lame reason. There wasn't much to it really.
My reasons for thinking Nyquill is scum is basically because I think everybody else is town or has done things in towns favor.
My reasons for thinking Nyquill is scum is basically because I think everybody else is town or has done things in towns favor.
Don't know what to think about the previous KM atm. Either way, makar being king (meaning he can't be km now) makes me think that if km died it was sync or haruka that was it. Also, lincolm's less that usual contribution puts me way off about his townness right now (guess thats now lincolm meta).
If we manage to survive today, tonight's going to be putting a lot of weight on the kingmaker...
If we manage to survive today, tonight's going to be putting a lot of weight on the kingmaker...
Ok so this is who suspects who (based on earlier posting from this day too);
Rantai --> Kanye / Nyquill
Makar --> Kanye / Nyquill
Kanye --> Lincolm / Nyquill
Lincolm --> Town/null reads/dodge
Nyquill --> Lincolm? / mostly dodge
--> Seems a bit strange that these two couldn't name the two that they were most suspicious of, either saying who they thought was town/null (which is strange because if you think two people are town out four possible choices, why not straight out say the two nulls are who you think are scum. And if you suspect Makar at this stage of the game, well that doesn't make much sense considering the circumstances) or completely avoiding the question and slightly hinting at who you might be suspicious of (which again is strange because why half ass answer it, either answer it or pretend to ignore it).
If you ask me, they were having trouble finding reasons to suspect people because they are the scum (also explains the cross 'suspecting')
Extra note - Asking Nyquill about the KM was pretty much a fluff question seeing as there isn't much benefit on discussing who the KM was (if he/she died). I also cannot see the reason why questioning Makar about his claim could be of any benefit; he's un-counterclaimed and the game isn't over yet - he's confirmed town unless Makar is a massive troll, wasting out time (which then nullifies the reason to ask anyway because we're already screwed). The only thing that could have come out of it is that you try to scumpaint Makar if he responded stupidly.
That's all I've got. I've changed my mind about Kanye, you're less suspicious than Lincolm.
Rantai --> Kanye / Nyquill
Makar --> Kanye / Nyquill
Kanye --> Lincolm / Nyquill
Lincolm --> Town/null reads/dodge
Nyquill --> Lincolm? / mostly dodge
--> Seems a bit strange that these two couldn't name the two that they were most suspicious of, either saying who they thought was town/null (which is strange because if you think two people are town out four possible choices, why not straight out say the two nulls are who you think are scum. And if you suspect Makar at this stage of the game, well that doesn't make much sense considering the circumstances) or completely avoiding the question and slightly hinting at who you might be suspicious of (which again is strange because why half ass answer it, either answer it or pretend to ignore it).
If you ask me, they were having trouble finding reasons to suspect people because they are the scum (also explains the cross 'suspecting')
Extra note - Asking Nyquill about the KM was pretty much a fluff question seeing as there isn't much benefit on discussing who the KM was (if he/she died). I also cannot see the reason why questioning Makar about his claim could be of any benefit; he's un-counterclaimed and the game isn't over yet - he's confirmed town unless Makar is a massive troll, wasting out time (which then nullifies the reason to ask anyway because we're already screwed). The only thing that could have come out of it is that you try to scumpaint Makar if he responded stupidly.
That's all I've got. I've changed my mind about Kanye, you're less suspicious than Lincolm.
Rantai's contributions pretty much confirm my suspicions of Nyquill/Lincolm. I'd say Nyquill is a safer bet for lynch just based on all of our scum reads though.
Well, only my thought here. Even we know Makar is king, maybe mafia want to lure time. Basically possible to do because nothing can stop Makar, so I just try to strike this possibility by asking something. Maybe my mind to exaggerate this case. In other side, I like to know what people think when they do something, it let me improve.
Kind of my meta right there, I use townread then scumread, because scum usually careful, not like town who not careful with their own word, so I prefer townread. When I vote based on this, I usually vote someone with the lowest townread in my mind. But yes, null read doesn't mean I think they are scum. Nullread is different with scumread, nullread is nothing in their post and scumread is something weird in their post, well my meta there.
It is good if Nyquill's KM still alive. Why not? Maybe he thought Kanye.
Now I'm pretty sure who the KM now. Rantai~
Kind of my meta right there, I use townread then scumread, because scum usually careful, not like town who not careful with their own word, so I prefer townread. When I vote based on this, I usually vote someone with the lowest townread in my mind. But yes, null read doesn't mean I think they are scum. Nullread is different with scumread, nullread is nothing in their post and scumread is something weird in their post, well my meta there.
It is good if Nyquill's KM still alive. Why not? Maybe he thought Kanye.
Now I'm pretty sure who the KM now. Rantai~
That would be not playing to win. I'm pretty sure that would be a cause for a modkill.Lincolm wrote:
Well, only my thought here. Even we know Makar is king, maybe mafia want to lure time. Basically possible to do because nothing can stop Makar, so I just try to strike this possibility by asking something.
About my dodge: Since (At least to me,) 2/3 people are scum, throwing one out there is better than saying two since I'd have a higher chance of being right. Not that I'm trying to be avoiding anything, but I just have a higher chance of being right, and I'd want to be right especially after that D1 for the next day (I'd also want to be right since we would LOSE if you choose to lynch one of my suspects and be wrong).
Could you explain more? Because I don't see any rules about this. Or maybe I just still need learn more.Nyquill wrote:
That would be not playing to win. I'm pretty sure that would be a cause for a modkill.
Well shit, it doesn't seem like this is a part of the forum mafia ruleset. Forget what I said then.Lincolm wrote:
Could you explain more? Because I don't see any rules about this. Or maybe I just still need learn more.Nyquill wrote:
That would be not playing to win. I'm pretty sure that would be a cause for a modkill.
Hmm less than 24 hours left.
Makar... ;_;
Topic Starter
I'm extending the deadline by 24 hours.
Oh my god sorry I completely forgot
bleh no time.. this decision is ofc based on what I have thought previously, and the replies didn't change anything. I don't really have the time to try to do more discussion, and so:
Execute: Nyquill
bleh no time.. this decision is ofc based on what I have thought previously, and the replies didn't change anything. I don't really have the time to try to do more discussion, and so:
Execute: Nyquill
Topic Starter
The King has selected Nyquill to be executed!
So it was determined by King Makar that Nyquill would be executed.
Though protesting and claiming to be innocent, the guillotine still claimed his head.
The king hoped that he had been right - that Nyquill was an Assassin.
If he had, the kingdom would have one more day to eliminate the - *stab*
Makar looked behind him. He saw Kanye brandishing a dagger and attacking Rantai.
For the Assassins to attack now... It was clear at that moment that he had been wrong...
Nyquill - Villager - Executed D3
At that moment, Lincolm brought out his crossbow and shot at Makar from a far.
Rantai who was trying to defend himself without any weapons also failed.
Rantai - Villager - Endgamed D3
Makar - Villager - Endgamed D3
The two remaining people left in the room were undoubtedly the winners.
The next ruler will have to remember the group controlling the kingdom from the shadows.
Lincolm - Assassin - Survived
Kanye West - Assassin - Survived
So it was determined by King Makar that Nyquill would be executed.
Though protesting and claiming to be innocent, the guillotine still claimed his head.
The king hoped that he had been right - that Nyquill was an Assassin.
If he had, the kingdom would have one more day to eliminate the - *stab*
Makar looked behind him. He saw Kanye brandishing a dagger and attacking Rantai.
For the Assassins to attack now... It was clear at that moment that he had been wrong...
Nyquill - Villager - Executed D3
At that moment, Lincolm brought out his crossbow and shot at Makar from a far.
Rantai who was trying to defend himself without any weapons also failed.
Rantai - Villager - Endgamed D3
Makar - Villager - Endgamed D3
The two remaining people left in the room were undoubtedly the winners.
The next ruler will have to remember the group controlling the kingdom from the shadows.
Lincolm - Assassin - Survived
Kanye West - Assassin - Survived
Topic Starter
Edit: actually it's late now, so I'll just post this tomorrow...
discussion suffered pretty hardcore
Thats sort of my problem too, haven't been hanging around the boards as much as I'd like lately
Thats sort of my problem too, haven't been hanging around the boards as much as I'd like lately
That last discussion really killing me. I cannot lying damn... Better not in mafia again.
The inactivity really helped us out I think
thisNyquill wrote:
discussion suffered pretty hardcore
Thats sort of my problem too, haven't been hanging around the boards as much as I'd like lately
Mmm damn I should have mentioned that everyone voting for Nyquill was suspicious in itself.
20/20 hindsight, right?
20/20 hindsight, right?
Lincolm feigned indecisiveness though, which made him look like his scum buddy. So it did look legit. Good scumplay from Lincolm regardlessRantai wrote:
Mmm damn I should have mentioned that everyone voting for Nyquill was suspicious in itself.
20/20 hindsight, right?
Well, I tried to point all town to myself to save Kanye so Kanye have better success on next day. I think this was failed.
I wonder who is the kingmaker before Rantai.
I wonder who is the kingmaker before Rantai.
It was sync, I got km after he got killedLincolm wrote:
Well, I tried to point all town to myself to save Kanye so Kanye have better success on next day. I think this was failed.
I wonder who is the kingmaker before Rantai.
told you guys
scum never reads posts
scum never reads posts
I'm not sure why you thought I was kingmaker based on that reply lol
yeah that was kind of a stretch