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Dialect
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Joined May 2018
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Dialect
for those of you new mappers, yes, pishifat maps will help you become a better mapper, BUT, his maps arent the only way to become a better mapper. good ways to get into mapping are:

1. try doing guest difficulties (gds) for other mappers.

2. go into mapping without knowledge of pishifats videos and see what other mappers think

3. analyze other mappers maps (probox, sotarks, etc etc) and see what patterns (no not 1-2 patterns) they use and how they compare to pishifats.

mappers shouldn't just simply say to new mappers, "go watch pishifats videos." yes, his videos provide a good basis on how to map, BUT pishifat isn't the only mapper out there. maps have various styles, and it isn't just simply curved sliders at calmer moments to pointed sliders at intense moments.

to new mappers, download some maps, analyze them, and try making a map of your own. it'll take a while to get used to, but you'll get the hang of it. watch pishifats videos, but dont just rely on them.
lewski
1,324 posts
Joined September 2014
lewski
the best way to get into mapping is opening the editor and mapping, doesnt matter if its a gd or not

analysis is basically impossible if you have no experience of your own

talking to other mappers about maps (yours or others') and mapping is good, exposure to other perspectives helps develop your mindset
Dialect
1,535 posts
Joined May 2018
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Dialect

lewski wrote:

the best way to get into mapping is opening the editor and mapping, doesnt matter if its a gd or not

analysis is basically impossible if you have no experience of your own

talking to other mappers about maps (yours or others') and mapping is good, exposure to other perspectives helps develop your mindset


hmm that's kind of how i got into mapping, so. i mean, pishis last videos were basically interviews, so thats good that he's opening his mind a bit.
Pachiru
osu! Alumni
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Joined June 2013
Pachiru
Doing a GD for a mapper gives you the opportunity to experience respecting deadlines, applying mods, etc... though I think the best way to learn mapping is by practicing it on your own at first, getting feedbacks from experienced mappers or players. It will be way more useful to analyze maps once you've gathered enough experience to enlarge your mapping vision and knowledge.

I'm joining lewski opinion on that one.

Also, pishifat's video can be very useful, though in my opinion, it's way more enjoyable once you have that knowledge that allow you to fully understand the concepts behind his videos.
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IllusionB
237 posts
Joined October 2018
IllusionB
I'm scared about doing a gd because I have no idea where I need to improve on since modding q's take a few days to weeks. Getting feedback from experienced mappers seems like an easier said than done concept too. Should I get a mod on a map I've done first before trying to do a gd? How many maps should i attempt to do before trying a gd?
Chiru-kun
800 posts
Joined January 2018
Chiru-kun
imo pishi's older vids are more of like a book to mapping... it's like a bird eye view of everything (the normal mapper's view, new mappers view, mapping rules, bat qat, and how everyone mixes as a whole osu mapper community). it gives the basics of the basics. but the interviews though are broader and gave me a perspective as mapper, not just how to map. if you get what that should mean...

IllusionB wrote:

I'm scared about doing a gd because I have no idea where I need to improve on since modding q's take a few days to weeks. Getting feedback from experienced mappers seems like an easier said than done concept too. Should I get a mod on a map I've done first before trying to do a gd? How many maps should i attempt to do before trying a gd?


it's not so much of "how many" but more so "how well" you grasp mapping 'something'.

don't push yourself to complete an entire beatmap (not mapSET but BEATmap) if you're still improving in your opinion.

hmmm, I'd say a good quantifier is that you're able to map a section of a number of songs (like your favorite choruses, or if you know songs that have a really amazing or special part, or if you know something thats calm). try mapping sections of songs first. when you feel like you've got the grasp of how to map general stuff, then you can head on to GDs.

practicing an entire song at least ONCE is a plus, even though you're not satisfied with 'every' single part. helps for "stamina" in mapping like it would be to some physical exercise.

how do you yourself know without mods? hm... see if you "like" your beatmap. though that sounds really broad especially for new mappers, as you practice more, your definition of what you like and what is good becomes clearer.

just saw this and instinctively wanted to give advice rambling, hahaha. take this with a grain of salt. i've never ranked anything. also would love if others expounded on these thoughts hehe.
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IllusionB
237 posts
Joined October 2018
IllusionB

renzthegreat wrote:

don't push yourself to complete an entire beatmap (not mapSET but BEATmap) if you're still improving in your opinion.

hmmm, I'd say a good quantifier is that you're able to map a section of a number of songs (like your favorite choruses, or if you know songs that have a really amazing or special part, or if you know something thats calm). try mapping sections of songs first. when you feel like you've got the grasp of how to map general stuff, then you can head on to GDs.


Well I've done 3 tv size maps total for practice, one of which I just keep improving based on new things I learn everyday: beatmapsets/1134397#osu/2368925

I can recognize song intensity, time beats well, set bpm and offset, but there are so many things like spacing and hitsounding that I either need to work on or just don't know how to do properly. Which is why I'm so skeptical about jumping into a gd and potentially just making a fool of myself. Is doing a gd really a good way to learn how to map?

sidenote: Also how do you even do a gd/how does submitting it work?
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lewski
1,324 posts
Joined September 2014
lewski
You and the host agree that you'll make a gd (this is important dont just send people diffs randomly lmao), you create a new diff on the set, and finally send the .osu to the host after you're done, and the host uploads it
DeletedUser_6709840
DeletedUser_6709840
It would be nice if more people in the community made more videos on mapping than just pishifat. For example, videos in other languages for mappers who are not native English speakers, mappers with different styles and viewpoints on mapping. You can watch one mapper 'map' but that doesn't teach you exactly what you want to know like 60% of the time. When I started mapping std, pishi's videos only made sense in certain aspects. I didn't learn some of the concepts I know now until people explained them to me in different ways or through mods.

On an alternate thought, I've thought about doing a basics of the editor video for fun.

Edit: This is especially true for osu!catch, mania, and taiko. There are little resources for it unless you actively mod other people's maps and have your maps modded.
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