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Sakura
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Semi-open setup: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Great_Idea_Mafia
If you're new check these out:
Gameplay basics: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/62209
New player guide: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/t/189774

Mod: Sakura
Playerlist (Click for isolation) * indicates prod:

abraker
Penguin *
Husa *
cravenfiner *
Westonini
johnmedina999 keremal
Death
GuyInFreezer *

Alive
Penguin
cravenfiner
johnmedina999
Death

Dead
GuyInFreezer Alien 1-Shot Psychomagnet died Night 1
abraker Town Lover has died Night 1
Husa Town Seer has been lynched Day 2
Westonini Vanilla Townie has been lynched Day 3

Modkilled
Hopefully no one

About the setup:

From the role list i will randomize roles for every player in the game until there's at least 50% town players and at least 1 anti town player, i will continue to randomize until at least something's balanced and/or fun then distribute role PMs to all players.

Each role card in the list can only appear once in the game (that means if there's 3 of any role in the list, a maximum of 3 players can have said role, if there is one then only 1 player can have it).
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Sakura
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Rules:
Any rules in Bold Red will lead to a force replacement or a modkill if violated, other rules may lead to a warning and eventually to a force replacement or modkill.
General:
- Do not Edit or Delete any of your posts.
- Do not quote anything from the PMs given to you by the mod, this includes your role PM or any communication with the mod. Paraphrasing your role PM is fine.
- Do not communicate outside of this thread unless your role PM allows you to, you may also not discuss this game with anyone else other than the mod outside this thread.
- Do not quote or link your quicktopic at any point if you have access to any. Paraphrasing any discussion is fine.
- Do not use any form of provable randomness, saying that you flipped a coin and acted on that is fine, proving that you flipped said coin is not.
- I am human, and I may make mistakes, if I make a mistake send me a PM or state it in bold.
- Play to win

Deadlines:
- Day times consist of 7 days, and it may be extended only on extreme circumstances. Any votes or unvotes after deadline wont count, if the day reaches deadline before a majority is reached, the day will end with a No Lynch.
- Night times consist of 24 hours. Until then you may submit or change your action as many times as necessary, you may also decide to take no action by stating it in your PM, any actions taken after deadline wont count and if you didnt send in an action it will count as No action.

Voting and Lynching:
- You may vote a player by stating in bold Vote: Player Name, an Unvote is not required to change your vote but it helps. When a player has reached 50% + 1 of the living players, a lynch will happen and the day will end. If I can interpret the intent to vote, it will count.
- Acronyms and Shortened names are fine as long as I can clearly understand who is being voted.
- Alternatively you may vote to end the day without a lynch by voting for it Vote: No Lynch
- When a Lynch has ocurred before the end of the day, the game enters twilight phase, during this time all players including the lynchee may continue to post until I post the lynch scene and end the day, from then on the Lynchee is considered dead and cannot post.
- Dead players cannot post.

Activity:
- A player that hasn't posted for over 48 hours will be automatically prodded.
- If a player hasn't posted for over 24 hours players may request them to be prodded, this won't count towards their 3 prod limit but it can still get them replaced if they dont post within 24 hours of the prod.
- Prods must be responded to in the game thread.
- If a player is going to be absent for 24 hours or more they may state that they'll be on V/LA for said time, no more than 5 days V/LA will be accepted and you should consider replacing out if you're going to be gone that long.
- Failing to pick up your prod within 24 hours will end in you getting replaced, you still have time to pick up your prod until a replacement is found.
- If no replacement can be found the slot will be modkilled instead.
- If a player has been prodded 3 times, a prod will be force replacement or a modkill if a replacement cannot be found.

If any rule is broken you will be modkilled and become a Neutral Survivor, hence automatically lose.
If a town player is modkilled, day ends immediately, if a scum player is modkilled day continues, this is so the team the player is in ends up being hurt by the player's misbheavior
Pretending to break a rule will count as breaking the rule.
Questions > Modkills, if you have doubts whether you're about to break the rules feel free to PM me to make sure.
If you have any questions towards me State it in bold
I'll try to have a vote count at least once every 2 pages, unless i'm sleeping or something.
I reserve the right to change these rules at any given time, any rule changes will be announced in thread.
Last but not least, have fun <3

In the case i've missed anything, refer to these lovely rules by Lybydose: https://old.ppy.sh/forum/p/1062608
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Sakura
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Sample Vanilla Town Role PM:
Welcome to Great Idea Mafia Player X, You're a Vanilla Townie
During the day you may vote for the player whom you want lynched

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated

Sample Town Power Role PM:
Welcome to Great Idea Mafia Player X, You're a Town Cop
During the day you may vote for the player whom you want lynched.
During the night you may investigate a player, you will know whether they are Mafia, Not Mafia, or get No Result

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated

Sample Group Scum Power Role PM:
Welcome to Great Idea Mafia Player X, You're a Mafia Tracker
You know that Player Y and Player Z are also members of the Mafia
During the day you may vote for the player whom you want lynched.
During the night you may investigate a player, you will be informed of which player(s) they visit if any, or get No Result
Factional: During the night you or your partners may choose to kill a player, if succesful, that player will die
Factional: During the night you and your partners may communicate in this quicktopic

You win when the Mafia controls half the votes and there are no other killers alive or nothing can prevent this from happening.

Sample Solo Scum Role PM: (This applies to solo scum faction due to randomization and serial killer)
Welcome Player X, You're a 2-Shot Bulletproof Serial Killer
During the day you may vote for the player whom you want Lynched.
During the night you may choose to Kill a player, if succesful that player will die.
Passive: You will survive the first two attempts at killing you in most cases.

You win when you're in the final two players in the game.

Other Alignment Role PM:
Welcome Player X, You're a Lyncher
Your target is Player Y.
During the day you may vote for the player whom you want lynched.

You win when Player Y is lynched while you were voting them.
If Player Y dies without fullfilling this condition, you will convert to a Vanilla Townie
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Penguin
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Penguin
/in HYPE!!!!!
Sakura
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I'm also leaving it open in case people other than the pre-ins want to join since Idea games can adapt to any number of players.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
/i*n
abraker
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abraker
FINALLY > _ <)//☆☆

/in
Husa
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Husa
can i still join even if i dont know what this is about!?

it looks/sounds fun


would be a /in








/in
Death
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Death
/in
Westonini
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Westonini
/in
keremaru
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keremaru
/in
Achromalia
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Achromalia
egh.

i'm conflicted, but i'll go with an /out.

i dont want to mess games up due to inactivity, and i hadn't really made myself certain if i wanted to play Mafia. i felt i could try it out, but I don't really know if i'd truly want to invest myself in this just yet.

as for everyone else, though, have fun.
Sakura
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Sakura
im gonna give it 24 more hours
cravenfiner
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cravenfiner
i shouldve checked my pms sooner fml only day where im not lurking on the website

/in
Sakura
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Sending all role PMs post /confirm once you've read it.
Game will begin when 6 players have confirmed
Death
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Death
/confirm
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
/confirm
abraker
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abraker
/confirm
Westonini
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Westonini
/confirm
keremaru
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keremaru
/confirm
Husa
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Husa
/confirm
Sakura
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And with that we have 6.

It is now Day 1
Not Voting (8) - abraker, Penguin, Husa, cravenfinder, Westonini, keremal, Death, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer
Afk glgl
Westonini
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Westonini
Time to go with the flow and act like I know what I'm doing.
Penguin
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Penguin
Okay, so the only info we have off the start is that there's AT THE LEAST 4 townies?
abraker
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abraker

Penguin wrote:

Okay, so the only info we have off the start is that there's AT THE LEAST 4 townies?

Sakura wrote:

About the setup:

From the role list i will randomize roles for every player in the game until there's at least 50% town players and at least 1 anti town player, i will continue to randomize until at least something's balanced and/or fun then distribute role PMs to all players.

Each role card in the list can only appear once in the game (that means if there's 3 of any role in the list, a maximum of 3 players can have said role, if there is one then only 1 player can have it).
50% of 8 is 4 unless my math had a tumor. The real question is whether there are any neutral roles because those are most dangerous imo.
K0j
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K0j
/in
Penguin
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Penguin
a little late there buddy
abraker
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abraker
I believe he can still join. Sakura made it an open setup after all.
Penguin
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Penguin
oh, really? I thought the semi-open setup was referring to the role list only.
Sakura
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If it was during the confirmation phase, I could, but the game has already started sorry.
He can join next time tho if this gets enough interest to revive the Mafia forums.
Penguin
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Penguin
makes sense.

Vote: Husa
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.1
Husa (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (7) - abraker, Husa, cravenfinder, Westonini, keremal, Death, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
cravenfiner
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cravenfiner
oh heck i have to remember to keep coming back more frequently

so uh, are we gonna try and discuss something or just vote randomly like what Penguin is doing?
not to offend you or anything penguin dont hate me please
abraker
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abraker

Penguin wrote:

makes sense.

Vote: Husa
Hold on why Husa?
Penguin
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Penguin
No reason, I just wanted to throw a vote out there. I don't plan on actually lynching Husa lol
abraker
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abraker
Do you hear that? "I'm gonna vote a townie, but it's a friendly vote because I am town and town does not lynch other fellow town."
That sounds like a scum trying to make himself appear as town. I'm on to you ( =.=)<
Westonini
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Westonini
whoa did he really say that? guess he must'a whispered it or somethin. good ears abraker.
abraker
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abraker
I am telepathic
Westonini
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Westonini
osht. wait, then in that case aren't you able to tell who the baddies are?
abraker
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abraker
it only works if they are taking about mafia stuff
abraker
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abraker
*taking -> thinking
Westonini
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Westonini
damn so you're basically saying that the mafia members are so well hidden among us to the point that even their minds don't shed a hint of malice? perhaps they don't even realize they're apart of the mafia..
abraker
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abraker
yes

vote: Westonini
Westonini
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Westonini
aw
Death
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Death
Clearly it's Penguin's intention to eliminate everyone as fast as possible.

Vote: Penguin
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.2
Husa (1) - Penguin
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death

Not Voting (5) - Husa, cravenfinder, Westonini, keremal, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
Penguin
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Penguin
clearly!
abraker
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abraker
Penguin has been marked by Death

see what I did there e◡e
Westonini
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Westonini
Please allow me to have a few more minutes to think about that one abraker.
abraker
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abraker
vote: Westonini

for good measure
Westonini
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Westonini

Westonini wrote:

aw
keremaru
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keremaru
oh shit.
it's way too early in the game to start lynching people but ok lmao

Death wrote:

Clearly it's Penguin's intention to eliminate everyone as fast as possible.


clearly, unless you're guessing at him being a detective :harddthonq:

Vote: Death

unless you can't vote against someone who already voted, then in that case i'll go with No vote.
- don't wanna go killing first day, qwq
abraker
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abraker

keremal wrote:

- don't wanna go killing first day, qwq
The only way someone won't be lynched is if there are absolutely no votes for anyone
Penguin
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Penguin

keremal wrote:

oh shit.
it's way too early in the game to start lynching people but ok lmao

keremal wrote:

Vote: Death
contradicting yourself, huh?
keremaru
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keremaru

abraker wrote:

keremal wrote:

- don't wanna go killing first day, qwq
The only way someone won't be lynched is if there are absolutely no votes for anyone

meant me personally, not sure about the rest of you zzz

Penguin wrote:

keremal wrote:

oh shit.
it's way too early in the game to start lynching people but ok lmao

keremal wrote:

Vote: Death


contradicting yourself, huh?

all about that self-contradictory today xf
Husa
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Husa

Penguin wrote:

makes sense.

Vote: Husa
now that is a big thonktea for me.... ewe
GuyInFreezer
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abraker wrote:

Do you hear that? "I'm gonna vote a townie, but it's a friendly vote because I am town and town does not lynch other fellow town."
That sounds like a scum trying to make himself appear as town. I'm on to you ( =.=)<

But how do ya know that Husa is town?
abraker
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abraker
I don't.
Husa
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Husa
Vote: GuyInFreezer
Penguin
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Penguin
Sus list: kere

Possibly sus list: Westo, craven

Kere is playing the "I'm town so I don't want to kill anyone yet!" card which makes me think he's trying to come off as town.

Westo is just kinda spouting off randomly and craven is in the same category as kere.
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.3
Husa (1) - Penguin
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
GuyInFreezer (1) - Husa

Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
abraker
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abraker

Penguin wrote:

Kere is playing the "I'm town so I don't want to kill anyone yet!" card which makes me think he's trying to come off as town.
All Kere said was

keremal wrote:

oh shit.
it's way too early in the game to start lynching people but ok lmao...

unless you can't vote against someone who already voted, then in that case i'll go with No vote.
- don't wanna go killing first day, qwq
AND YOU SAID

Penguin wrote:

No reason, I just wanted to throw a vote out there. I don't plan on actually lynching Husa lol
"I'm gonna vote a townie, but it's a friendly vote because I am town and town does not lynch other fellow town."

goddamn hypocrite scum
Penguin
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First off, my vote was RVS, so you're accusation of me is completely baseless.

Secondly, there's a huge interpretable difference between what I said and what kere said. I was merely explaining to you that I was RVSing. Meanwhile, kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us.

Based on your reaction to what I've been saying, it seems like you are trying to find small and random accusations, which make no sense, so that you can put others in the spotlight while keeping the attention off of yourself.



abraker wrote:

"I'm gonna vote a townie, but it's a friendly vote because I am town and town does not lynch other fellow town."

This theory makes no sense. What does "friendly vote" even mean?
Seems like youre trying to defend Kere though, makes me wonder..
abraker
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abraker

Penguin wrote:

This theory makes no sense. What does "friendly vote" even mean?
it means that one votes the other of the same party to fend off suspicion

Penguin wrote:

First off, my vote was RVS, so you're accusation of me is completely baseless.
Your claim that your vote was RVS may as well be a lie

Penguin wrote:

Secondly, there's a huge interpretable difference between what I said and what kere said. I was merely explaining to you that I was RVSing. Meanwhile, kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us.
I dont see it. How should I come to such conclusion?

Penguin wrote:

Based on your reaction to what I've been saying, it seems like you are trying to find small and random accusations, which make no sense, so that you can put others in the spotlight while keeping the attention off of yourself.
Nice try but it's going to take more than that to bounce back suspicion toward me. The way you reply and the way you react is evidence. The small and random accusations you speak of is nothing more than you trying to get me off your back.

Also here is a good example in how you reply and react tells me you are scum. You panicking lowers your logical ability. So much so that you fail to find contradictions in your own writing. Observe:

Penguin wrote:

First off, my vote was RVS

Penguin wrote:

Meanwhile, kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us.
So did you vote because of RVS or did you vote because you think kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us? So much for small and random accusations. That will not fly as your accuse, scum.
abraker
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abraker
*accuse -> excuse
Penguin
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Penguin

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

This theory makes no sense. What does "friendly vote" even mean?
it means that one votes the other of the same party to fend off suspicion

Still makes no sense, voting for a townie wouldn't fend off suspicion at all. Nobody knows who's a townie at this stage anyways.


abraker wrote:

Your claim that your vote was RVS may as well be a lie

Why?

abraker wrote:

Penguin wrote:

Secondly, there's a huge interpretable difference between what I said and what kere said. I was merely explaining to you that I was RVSing. Meanwhile, kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us.
I dont see it. How should I come to such conclusion?

Because I was claiming that I was RVSing and Kere was claiming he didn't want to lynch anyone so soon. I never tried to claim that I don't want to lynch anyone so that I would come off as sweet and innocent. I only explained that my vote was RVS because you asked why I voted. It's not so hard to tell the difference.

abraker wrote:

Nice try but it's going to take more than that to bounce back suspicion toward me. The way you reply and the way you react is evidence. The small and random accusations you speak of is nothing more than you trying to get me off your back.

This literally made no sense.

abraker wrote:

Also here is a good example in how you reply and react tells me you are scum. You panicking lowers your logical ability. So much so that you fail to find contradictions in your own writing. Observe:

Penguin wrote:

First off, my vote was RVS

Penguin wrote:

Meanwhile, kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us.


So did you vote because of RVS or did you vote because you think kere seems to be trying to act innocent and friendly to deceive us?

Need I remind you that I only ever voted for Husa as an RVS at the very beginning of the game? I never voted for kere, so your argument is null. I have not contradicted myself at all.

Also, your argument about me "panicking" makes no sense since I have all the time in the world to read and post since this is a forum based game. Once again, it just seems like you're trying to make baseless accusations on trivial and senseless things.

Vote: abraker
abraker
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abraker
Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
Penguin
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Penguin

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read

You're possibly saying this because you realize your faults and now your trying to backtrack and do damage control.

But you really weren't making much sense. You're usually very well put together and logical on the forums, so maybe it was a test. You might be town, but I'm still very suspisious of you.
Westonini
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Westonini

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read


Why do you think so? Is it because he stayed calm and collective while under fire? I'm not asking this to accuse Penguin or anything, but I believe most would react the way he did. Townie or not.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read

Now you gotta share with us what was the reaction you were looking for and how penguin met the expectation.
Rxn testing 101.
GuyInFreezer
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GuyInFreezer

Westonini wrote:

abraker wrote:

Ok got the reaction I wanted
Penguin is a safe town read
Why do you think so? Is it because he stayed calm and collective while under fire? I'm not asking this to accuse Penguin or anything, but I believe most would react the way he did. Townie or not.
Apparently I missed this post and I posted the literally same thing. rippo
abraker
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abraker
Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.
abraker
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abraker
Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\
Westonini
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Westonini
Wait, but he did vote for you.

Penguin wrote:

Vote: abraker
Westonini
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Westonini
understandable have a nice day.
Penguin
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Penguin

abraker wrote:

Main reason is because Penguin did not vote me after all that and remained on Husa. Give mafia a reason to vote someone and they will take it, and that will be their excuse when the lynched does turn town.

I was expecting an actual reason for your "scum bait". A simple vote isn't sufficient enough to determine a scum read. Now just seems like you're trying to make an excuse to cover up for your scum-like behavior before.
Penguin
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Penguin
I don't buy the whole "beer" thing at all too lmao. Sounds like you're stretching for excuses.
Sakura
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Vote Count 1.4
Westonini (1) - abraker
Penguin (1) - Death
Death (1) - keremal
GuyInFreezer (1) - Husa
abraker (1) - Penguin

Not Voting (3) - cravenfinder, Westonini, GuyInFreezer
With 8 alive it takes 5 to lynch
Deadline: Feb 8th 2019 - 5:22 PM EST
abraker
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Penguin wrote:

I don't buy the whole "beer" thing at all too lmao. Sounds like you're stretching for excuses.
I tried to correct myself right after it. It's not like I didn't see it until now. Definitely was not thinking straight.

Penguin wrote:

I was expecting an actual reason for your "scum bait". A simple vote isn't sufficient enough to determine a scum read. Now just seems like you're trying to make an excuse to cover up for your scum-like behavior before.
you are right

Westonini wrote:

Wait, but he did vote for you.

abraker wrote:

Oh wait he did. I'll reply again when I have the beer out of my system :\


At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
Penguin
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Penguin

abraker wrote:

At this point I want to hear more from Death, cravenfiner, and Husa
I agree with this.

If my scum read is correct on abraker, then Kere is probably a safe scum read as well; with my initial suspicion on him, including abraker seemingly trying to defend him.
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