NotShinta wrote:

I have used 0.7, 0.8 and 0.75 which are very similar

this is not a valid reason

only when you want guidelines are only guidelines, eh?



/me leaves

Lunah wrote:

NotShinta wrote:

I have used 0.7, 0.8 and 0.75 which are very similar

this is not a valid reason

>3 slider speeds do not break a map, unlike what you're referring to, plus, in this case, they work well. And, how many times, rules and guidelines are completely different things, and both exist.

*Facepalm*

Guidelines are only guidelines for most of them. Some of them, however, are not guidelines, they are rules, such as not using red sections for slider speed changes.

guidelines are guidelines when some special guys need it to be guidelines.
rules are rules when some special guys need it to be rules.

in fact i'm a total supporter of >3 BPM changes, as well as red line hold sliders (it could be done with hundreds of red dots as i proved, so what's the point of that unrankable)
but seriously, multi-standard just making the whole things shit. i'd like to see this get ranked, and THIS keeps as a guideline.
/me leaves.

This demonstrates the fault in the current guidelines/rules system - It is not clear which are guidelines and which are rules. I have proposed separate lists in the past, but it has been largely ignored.

hi there here's a bubble

peppy wrote:

READ THIS: All guidelines are exactly that: GUIDELINES. They are NOT rules and may be broken in special cases. If you are wanting to break a guideline, ask yourself only this: Does what I'm doing make sense? Is it more fun to play like this compared to if i had to stick to the guidelines? If you answer yes to both these questions then it is probably OK.

why not tolerate maps that have a good reason, instead of saying "it's rule" before even understand that.
just imagine someone stay here and shout to you "it's fucking rules!"/"don't just say these are guidelines"/blablabla

consider about current status, it's easy for people to know there IS a multi-standard, disapointted.

I don't just say the hold slider guideline a rule, I know it's a rule - It's unrankable for technical reasons and peppy specifically singled it out as unrankable.

hypocrisy.

and why would time a song to the Background music and then try mapping to something that isn't going to sync up with the metronome

Let's recap for a moment.

You have:

1. 177 BPM: 0,7x; 1,0x; 1,33x, 1,5x. So let's say: 123,9; 177; 235,4 and 265,5 BPM at 1,0x
   
2. 125,6 BPM: 2x only (in the same exact place, i thought this was an unrankable issue but maybe i'm wrong). So 251,2 BPM
   
3. 108,34 BPM: 0,8x (in the same exact place again); 0,75x. So 86,67 and 81,26
   
4. 177 BPM: 1x

You have 7 different speeds. We can group them as (81,26; 86,67) / (123,9) / (177) / (235,4; 251,2; 265,5).
Let's say you have 4 or 5 different speeds then.
I'm not really against all these changes (because i always supported any kind of creativity), but i guess you could easily avoid having 3 "almost identical slider speeds" by making some more calculations.

So, as a reminder for all of you here, please don't be too stingy with other mappers: by making a map with 7 slider speeds you're only asking people to attack you using the same things you probably said to them.

That said:
Most of the times i had no major problems, but there are some things i'd like to ask:
- Is there really a difference between 0,8 and 0,75 at the 108,34BPM section?
- 02:08:206 (1) - sliderticks make breaking this slider incredibly easy, because the player is used to fast speed to that point
- There are some things "off-timed" because they're supposed to follow the... "singing" which is offtimed.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:

- There are some things "off-timed" because they're supposed to follow the... "singing" which is offtimed.

Yeah, vocal is offtimed in some parts

EDIT : The easy is almost all offtimed, because you followed the vocal

Lunah wrote:

hypocrisy

When have I complained about anybody else using more than three slider speeds?

Lunah wrote:

Go to map a song, not a random guy that screams like the other awesome "ztrout", it can be funny but you're not the only here, your map will be played by all osu!, just for remember

I and everyone else am at liberty to map whatever I want. I could complain about you mapping nightcore, which is essentially the original song sped up and made higher with a beat underneath, but I don't. I also have no idea how you can't find this hilarious

@Following vocal - I'm sure the player isn't stupid enough to tap when the actual vocals occured, so I placed beats where the vocals should be, where they are in the original song

And of course, having 0.8, 0.7 and 0.75 isn't neccesary, and I should have reused speeds at points instead of making new ones. I think you'll agree, however, that it works fine as it is now and isn't worth adjusting a large number of sliders to fix.

The slow slider has already been increased in speed - Anyone looking at the ticks can easily see the slowdown coming. Actually, I'd say the speedup at the BPM change is worse.

does this mean i can use 10 slider speeds in a map?

ouranhshc wrote:

does this mean i can use 10 slider speeds in a map?

Probably, if they actually worked well with the map. As unlikely as that is.

RandomJibberish wrote:

And of course, having 0.8, 0.7 and 0.75 isn't neccesary, and I should have reused speeds at points instead of making new ones. I think you'll agree, however, that it works fine as it is now and isn't worth adjusting a large number of sliders to fix.

In fact i did: "I'm not really against all these changes (because i always supported any kind of creativity)"
I just wondered why.

RandomJibberish wrote:

The slow slider has already been increased in speed - Anyone looking at the ticks can easily see the slowdown coming. Actually, I'd say the speedup at the BPM change is worse.

That's not entirely true actually.
I've been playing for more than 2 years with the "old" method and seeing more sliderticks resulted in a faster slider.
But i don't mind that too, i wanted to point it out.

I won't mod this further because i don't want to see my ears bleeding.

Hey, yo. No one cares if you use more than 3 slider speeds as long as:
- You don't use red sections to achieve them (The red sections here are used because the actual timing changes. Yeah, really.)
- Your slider speeds fit.

The difference between red section and green section velocity changes is the following:
Red sections not only influence the slider speed, but also the metronome, the Kiai and a lot of other things, and thus peppy does not want them to be used for ANYTHING ELSE than actual timing changes. Which means that you cannot say anything but "NO. DON'T DO THAT." whenever you see them used.
Green sections only influence the slider speeds. The "don't use more than 3 slider speeds" guideline is set in place so people don't go and use slider speeds everywhere where they don't fit. However, IF they fit, you can use as many slider speeds as you want.

I suggest that you people start using your bloody brain.

Also, the song is rankable. Denying rankability for song choice is ridiculous. If that would be done, I could as well just go ahead and unrank every single bloody nightcore song because they make half the community cringe. But I don't. Because song choice is something that the mapper himself has to decide. Remember the front page?

[...]intuitive creation of your own beatmaps for the songs you want to play.

Now get out of MY FACE.

Sorry.

Easy

General : ad CnF said, slider velocity (inhert sections) :

x1
x0,8
x1,33
x1,5
x0,75
x2

6 type of velocity and you guys always mod this like "you can't use more than 3"

00:11:572 (1) - Offtime
00:12:335 (2) - Offtime
00:12:843 (3) - Offtime
00:14:030 (4) - Offtime
00:24:538 (1) - I think you should add a storyboard-warning or something else, because it goes too fast for a easy (and tickrate is 2)
00:27:250 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:46:233 (1) - Offtime
00:47:420 (2) - Offtime
00:47:928 (3) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:21:487 (1) - ^
01:43:182 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - In this part vocal confuses.
01:56:742 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:00:563 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:04:385 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
02:06:296 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason


I just added the most offtimed, but almost all that follow the vocal is off

Shinta's ohohoho.png (merry christmas?)

General : slider velocity (inhert sections) (same to the easy)
Name of the difficulty is ridiculous, yeah for rule you can call it how you want but .. a bit of sense .. c'mon
Slider Velocity 1,76 for a Normal ? i remember you that you used some 2x (and similiar) parts here



This difficulty settings for make it like a "Normal" for the Star Rating, ... speechless (if it is a Hard for you, there is the same problems about slider velocity 2,33 that i'll link on the modding, but i think it is not for the Difficulty Setting.)


00:10:979 (1) - Offtime
00:11:657 (2) - Offtime
00:12:165 (3) - Offtime
00:13:521 (5) - Offtime (Totally)
00:13:860 (1) - Offtime (Totally)
00:14:030 (2) - Offtime (Totally)
00:16:403 (1) - Offtime
00:16:742 (2) - Offtime
00:17:081 (3) - Offtime
00:17:589 (4) - Offtime
00:17:928 (5) - Offtime
00:18:267 (1) - Offtime
00:18:437 (2) - Offtime
00:18:776 (3) - Offtime
00:19:115 (4) - Offtime
00:20:301 (1) - Offtime
00:21:487 (3) - Offtime
00:24:538 (1) - What ? are you serious ? this is a normal, and this slider is like "2,33 of speed (approximately)" (1.33/34) even with a SB you can't keep it, just for adding the slidetickrate is 2..
00:25:894 (2) - ^
00:27:250 (1) - ^
00:28:606 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:30:809 (2) - ^ (+ Reverse.. that make it harder .. hm)
00:30:809 (2) - Offtime
00:31:996 (3) - Offtime
00:47:250 (2) - Offtime
00:47:420 (3) - Offtime
00:54:369 (2) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:01:148 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:02:504 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:03:860 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:05:216 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:06:064 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity + Reverse ..
01:06:064 (2) - Offtime
01:07:250 (3) - Offtime
01:23:860 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:24:877 (3) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:26:911 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:27:928 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:28:945 (3) - Same problem with the slider velocity
01:29:962 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - I hope this jump is because it is a Hard..
01:48:606 (1,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - In this part vocal confuses.
01:56:742 (1) - What.. Same problem with the slider velocity
01:58:652 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:00:563 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:02:474 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:04:385 (1) - Same problem with the slider velocity
02:06:296 (2) - Same problem with the slider velocity

So, for me it is easy to play, but for a random player, it is not, i'm saying this because these sliders are too hard for a Normal/Hard
Same here, I just added the most offtimed, but almost all that follow the vocal is off

Troll

General : slider velocity (inhert sections) (same to the easy-shinta)
Change the slider tick-rate to 1, because there are some slider like 2,9 of velocity (1,33)

00:13:521 (6) - Offtime
00:14:030 (7) - Offtime
00:14:199 (8) - Offtime
00:14:369 (9) - Offtime
00:17:250 (2) - Offtime
00:17:420 (3) - Offtime
00:17:589 (4) - Offtime
00:20:301 (10) - Offtime (totally)
00:20:979 (11) - Offtime (totally)
00:24:538 (1) - Here you need a storyboard-warning i guess (too for the tick rate 2)
00:25:047 (2) - ^
00:25:894 (1) - ^
00:26:403 (2) - ^
00:27:250 (1) - ^
00:27:759 (2) - ^
00:28:606 (1) - ^
00:29:115 (2) - ^
00:29:962 (1) - ^
00:30:470 (2) - ^
00:31:318 (1) - ^
00:31:826 (2) - ^
00:46:911 (3) - Offtime
00:47:928 (1) - Offtime
00:48:098 (2) - Offtime
00:48:267 (3) - Offtime
00:49:284 (1) - Offtime
00:49:454 (2) - Offtime
00:49:623 (3) - Offtime
00:53:860 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - All offtime
00:56:233 (1) - Offtime
00:56:403 (2) - Offtime
00:56:572 (3) - Offtime
00:59:793 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:00:301 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:01:148 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:01:657 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:02:504 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:03:013 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:03:860 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:04:369 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:05:216 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:05:725 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:06:572 (1) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:07:081 (2) - Storyboard-Warning too here. for the same reason
01:21:487 (1) - 01:37:759 (1) - This part same ^
01:56:742 (1) - 2x ? this is not the lesjuh TAG strange program for approval, (4,48)
01:57:697 (2) - ^
01:58:652 (3) - ^
02:00:563 (1) - ^
02:01:519 (2) - ^
02:02:474 (3) - ^
02:04:385 (1) - ^
02:06:296 (3) - ^
02:08:206 (1) - This slow is TOTALLY confusing, here i missed here in gameplay.
02:19:317 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Here the vocal confuses.
02:19:317 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Here the vocal confuses.

Why the storyboard?.. because before sliders were slow and this is confusing



I have no more to add i guess,

Fuck off

I've explained the reasons for all of those already. Jussayin'

RandomJibberish wrote:

I've explained the reasons for all of those already. Jussayin'

Did you explained why the timing is wrong?

No sane person would follow the vocals here, not even new players.

Larto wrote:

No sane person would follow the vocals here, not even new players.

But they did. i invite you to check the mod and the parts that i linked

>He wants a storyboard warning for obvious speed changes!

Hey what the fuck is wrong with osu! nowadays

HERE WE GO AGAIN

7 slider speeds?

ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ

make a cover of Oh No! next pls

but this time don't forget to add (nightcore mix) to the title yeah

WTF...

Glass wrote:

make a cover of Oh No! next pls

I actually did once. It was worse than this believe it or not!

shittiest ranked map since the dj moexx

JesusYamato wrote:

shittiest ranked map since the dj moexx

map =/= song

OMG SLIDER SPEEDS THAT MAKES IT THE WORST MAP EVER RIGHT

Blue Dragon wrote:

JesusYamato wrote:

shittiest ranked map since the dj moexx

map =/= song

OMG SLIDER SPEEDS THAT MAKES IT THE WORST MAP EVER RIGHT

Both map and song matter. If the song is total shit, then the map won't feel good. Learn to add the two together.

Natteke wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

map =/= song

OMG SLIDER SPEEDS THAT MAKES IT THE WORST MAP EVER RIGHT

Both map and song matter. If the song is total shit, then the map won't feel good. Learn to add the two together.

But saying the MAP is bad when the map is pretty nice and the song is terrible is bullshit.

User rating :3

JesusYamato wrote:

shittiest ranked map since the dj moexx

Hey, this is much worse than that!

Deleted Bass-chan's and related posts by poster's request.

Please please guys, don't turn this into another flame war and AVOID posting if you're only going to insult/troll

Beuchi-chan wrote:

Deleted Bass-chan's and related posts by poster's request.

Please please guys, don't turn this into another flame war and AVOID posting if you're only going to insult/troll

Locking the thread would be much better

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

JesusYamato wrote:

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

you're just angry because you got a D on the map

JesusYamato wrote:

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

That "random screaming" in fact had pitch and rhythm associated with it. Your argument is faulty.

E-Hooker wrote:

JesusYamato wrote:

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

you're just angry because you got a D on the map

I refuse to play it, i just did it fast to vote 1.

JesusYamato wrote:

I refuse to play it, i just did it fast to vote 1.

good for you

no really nobody cares

Blue Dragon wrote:

map =/= song

FYI = a song is part of the map imo. I won't make any comments there because the music makes it not fun. (yes I played it)

JesusYamato wrote:

I refuse to play it, i just did it fast to vote 1.

excuses excuses boy

Sushi wrote:

Blue Dragon wrote:

map =/= song

FYI = a song is part of the map imo. I won't make any comments there because the music makes it not fun. (yes I played it)

But saying a map is terribly bad just because the song is bad is bullshit.

I, however, do find this map fun. People are different.

Oops I missed something important.

Lunah wrote:

SPOILER

Go to map a song, not a random guy that screams like the other awesome "ztrout", it can be funny but you're not the only here, your map will be played by all osu!, just for remember

This is absolutely ridiculous. Maps of a certain standard are ranked because they've been deemed as acceptable. It is completely irrelevant if nobody else likes the song but the mapper. osu! will never have any sort of filtering regarding that unless, I guess, the song itself lends itself so horribly to a map because the timing is all over the place or something, but I don't see that happening.

JesusYamato wrote:

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

Why the fuck do you have to leave comments like that in every other map thread that you don't like the song.

Seriously if you don't like it, don't play it, and don't complain about it here, or just do that quick 1/10 shit that nobody cares about and keep it to yourself. You don't see people bitching about how certain nightcore/animu songs sound like shit in every other thread, do you?

what the fuck

I see there is a lovely flame war in here.

IMO this is a good map. Shaking effect is simple, but cool.

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Glass wrote:

JesusYamato wrote:

Ok let me rephrase that:
The map is nice if you play it muted but osu is supposed to be a rhythm game, where's the rhythm in some random screaming that isn't even music?

Why the fuck do you have to leave comments like that in every other map thread that you don't like the song.

Seriously if you don't like it, don't play it, and don't complain about it here, or just do that quick 1/10 shit that nobody cares about and keep it to yourself. You don't see people bitching about how certain nightcore/animu songs sound like shit in every other thread, do you?

There are much better map with better music/songs waiting to be approved/ranked and yet shit that can hardly be called music gets ranked faster because it's "mapped by a friend".
This is utter bullshit if you ask me.

Blue Dragon wrote:

Beuchi-chan wrote:

Deleted Bass-chan's and related posts by poster's request.

Please please guys, don't turn this into another flame war and AVOID posting if you're only going to insult/troll

Locking the thread would be much better

You know what? You're right.

December 30th 2013.

The beatmap is now 1st in the Most Played map, Aha!