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LowComboFC wrote:
Wheres the baje
Spoke with Zexous about this, it was basically a misunderstanding about what the organizers did in this contestZexous wrote:
Hi, MMC creator here. I noticed that half your judges are also organizers. This is really something that shouldn't happen, for a variety of reasons I'm sure you can figure out. I recommend getting that sorted out ASAP, it's a very bad idea both for the contest's integrity and its reputation if people who know everything about the entries are the ones deciding their scoring.
Good luck with the contest otherwise
We'll try our best at preventing this. But as far as I know, there are no methods to completely stop this. They'll just have to be honest.Irreversible wrote:
Interesting, but how can you assure "You and your partner must not map the same song. That means no collab either."? I mean, obviously you can't control everything.. for example you can't ensure that people won't share their maps beforehand. However, why I'm pointing it out is that this is the concept of this contest... so it kinda is crucial
Re-writing the rules to allow team members to help each other out would be less restrictive and even if it's not possible to stop collabs from happening when you allow helping, it's still a unique concept to discourage collabs ^Hokichi wrote:
We've already implemented something to prevent this, but let's see how well can it do its job. I'll consider changing some of the rules later if necessary.
Here are some things I noticed and would like to point outMaxylan wrote:
Re-writing the rules to allow team members to help each other out would be less restrictive and even if it's not possible to stop collabs from happening when you allow helping, it's still a unique concept to discourage collabs ^Hokichi wrote:
We've already implemented something to prevent this, but let's see how well can it do its job. I'll consider changing some of the rules later if necessary.
But if you are really loyal to the concept, you could go the opposite route and enforce it harder, for example, beatmap surveilance during irregular intervals where you check up on a teams map to ensure there are no "bookmarks" separating sections of the song in a way that would make it obvious it's a collab, and/or judging the maps side-by-side to try and spot simularities in mapping styles, and subtracting points for sections/parts that look simular enough to the point where you can suspect it was done by the same person.
Sky is the limit really =p Love the concept regardless
I mean no offense to the judges but, how confident are you in recognizing styles from different people? Aside from the iconic ones, obviously. I'm sure we are all aware of copy paste mapping style in these recent years. People can just shake your doubts off by saying ''I learnt this new style from a different map and I thought it's cool to put it in here.'' Cheating or not, teaming up and not helping each other are oppositional as a core concept. There is no ideal solution from me for your original plan. Maybe talking with other mappers, those who have signed up would help, I suggest. Otherwise just stick to the traditional rules.Hokichi wrote:
2. Judging side-by-side is a great idea, although it will take probably more time to do so. I'll take this suggestion and will try to implement it.
Don't do marketing.Hokichi wrote:
Hi, and welcome to Hub's Mapping Contest. In this contest, you will find something different than others contest held before.
In this contest, you won't be alone. You will work in a team of two people.
Wait, what? So this is like MMC #3.5. If that's what you're thinking, sorry, it's not. Are you curious? Interested to find out more? Keep reading.
Thanks a lot for the feedbacks.Asaiga wrote:
There are concerns I do have as well. I thought of not letting them out and observe as an outsider but since as the state of the contest is now, contestants might feel discontent later with the organizers.
I'm okay with new ideas but this one particular, it sounds sketchy and not actually complete like the others have said. You have no control over who does whatsoever, if you are into ''team'' concept and helping each other is forbidden then it's basically contradicted to what you originally want. Would people in a team ask for help from each other? Very likely, because they want to win, right? What's the point of joining a contest without having a slight chance of winning? Imagine you make people form a team of two that know each other well. You give them two different tasks for each and make them do it separately without talking to each other. If they both do their works well, they will be promoted. This works irl with proper monitoring system. Contestants can actually place trust in each other as they form a team. But on the internet, even the ''honored'' BN tests were rigged, you know?I mean no offense to the judges but, how confident are you in recognizing styles from different people? Aside from the iconic ones, obviously. I'm sure we are all aware of copy paste mapping style in these recent years. People can just shake your doubts off by saying ''I learnt this new style from a different map and I thought it's cool to put it in here.'' Cheating or not, teaming up and not helping each other are oppositional as a core concept. There is no ideal solution from me for your original plan. Maybe talking with other mappers, those who have signed up would help, I suggest. Otherwise just stick to the traditional rules.Hokichi wrote:
2. Judging side-by-side is a great idea, although it will take probably more time to do so. I'll take this suggestion and will try to implement it.
More things I'm triggered about. Why are there 5 judges? And what makes [-Chocola-], a restricted user qualified to be one? The rest of the judges, I'm not belittling you but from my perspective on this community, it's kind of an username based one (forgot who said this). You are all amazing people and skillful mappers but how well-known are you do you think you are in this community? It has a psychological effects on the contestants. They subconsciously know this contest isn't that grand nor highly competent. That should be included in the introduction box, telling people that this contest isn't gonna be anything big. But they are intelligent enough to recognize. I mean if you look at your prize section, isn't that banner 10 times bigger than the prize itself? The contest isn't organized professionally so I doubt whoever in charge of the community right now would grant a badge for the winner of this.Don't do marketing.Hokichi wrote:
Hi, and welcome to Hub's Mapping Contest. In this contest, you will find something different than others contest held before.
In this contest, you won't be alone. You will work in a team of two people.
Wait, what? So this is like MMC #3.5. If that's what you're thinking, sorry, it's not. Are you curious? Interested to find out more? Keep reading.