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Sakura
Well the good news is that im around now.
The bad news is that i dont remember any interactions among the new pairs and so i need to re-read the entire game RIP :(
Hika
Rereading the thread today btw. I got some time now and I guess I'm feeling a little better and up to it.

Apologies!
B1rd

beeboy123 wrote:

Tunneling me for literally the entire game and being incredibly stubborn about your reads is still a scum tell. Yes it comes from town sometimes but a vast majority of the time it comes from scum.
Also, going into this a bit more, I have no idea when being stubborn is a scumread because it feels like you just made that up. Of course you have to follow your scumreads because with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and this town loses. It's not "being stubborn", it's that you have done nothing to convince me you're not scum and the game has gone on you've just been even more scummy than before with all your AtE, calling anyone who is against you scum, etc.
B1rd
with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and thus town loses
And one last thing; that seems exactly what has happened here, it seem a bit strange that - besides Sakura for a short time - any support for lynching you seems to have completely died after rEdo died. As I've repeated before it doesn't make sense that none of the scum is going for you if you are a townie. Seems like it would have been easy to bandwagon you at the start of D3 that they all could have jumped on.
beeboy123

B1rd wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Tunneling me for literally the entire game and being incredibly stubborn about your reads is still a scum tell. Yes it comes from town sometimes but a vast majority of the time it comes from scum.
Also, going into this a bit more, I have no idea when being stubborn is a scumread because it feels like you just made that up. Of course you have to follow your scumreads because with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and this town loses. It's not "being stubborn", it's that you have done nothing to convince me you're not scum and the game has gone on you've just been even more scummy than before with all your AtE, calling anyone who is against you scum, etc.

You haven't tried to reavaluate your read on me once this game.
Even when I was 1v1ing Sakura she was trying to figure out if I was town (even before I killed motivation to play died for a bit) you are pushing me to get a lynch not to game solve is what I am saying.

Also you keep saying I am trying to AtE when I self voted and literally never brought it up again. You also fail to address like half the arguments I make about your points on me.
beeboy123

B1rd wrote:

with two scum at play that makes it really easy for them to divert scumreads to someone else and thus town loses
And one last thing; that seems exactly what has happened here, it seem a bit strange that - besides Sakura for a short time - any support for lynching you seems to have completely died after rEdo died. As I've repeated before it doesn't make sense that none of the scum is going for you if you are a townie. Seems like it would have been easy to bandwagon you at the start of D3 that they all could have jumped on.
You are going for me and Hika is going for me and you are also scum?
What reason do you have to town read Hika?
B1rd

beeboy123 wrote:

You haven't tried to reavaluate your read on me once this game.
Even when I was 1v1ing Sakura she was trying to figure out if I was town (even before I killed motivation to play died for a bit) you are pushing me to get a lynch not to game solve is what I am saying.

Also you keep saying I am trying to AtE when I self voted and literally never brought it up again. You also fail to address like half the arguments I make about your points on me.
aand you keep going on bout how tired you are of this game and how you've lost all motivation. You also threatened to intentionally make town lose, how can I overlook that?

I haven't addressed a lot of your arguments because frankly the reasons I have scumread you are due to critical flaws in your gameplay and that's not something you can just talk your way out of like you did with Sakura. Your conversation with Sakura was just all about meta from other games and has little substance from this game. I would address things you said if I thought it would be productive, but it seems to me just arguing about interpretation that has little use except clogging up the thread and making it more confusing for everyone else to read.

Maybe I haven't been critical enough of other people, and it is hard sometimes to keep track of everyone and everything they do in this thread. I guess I'll wait for Sakura to come up with whatever things she's looking into.

[quote=beeboy123"] You are going for me and Hika is going for me and you are also scum?
What reason do you have to town read Hika?[/quote]

I'm pretty sure Hika townread you in this thread recently...

The whole day 2 fiasco made me think she was town, and she hasn't done a whole lot to make me think she's scum, or given me any reason to prioritise her over my stronger scumreads.
B1rd

beeboy123 wrote:

You are going for me and Hika is going for me and you are also scum?
What reason do you have to town read Hika?
I'm pretty sure Hika townread you in this thread recently...

The whole day 2 fiasco made me think she was town, and she hasn't done a whole lot to make me think she's scum, or given me any reason to prioritise her over my stronger scumreads.
Sakura

B1rd wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

I guess I'll wait for Sakura to come up with whatever things she's looking into.
I would've liked to take care of that today but with the lack of ability to do double ISOs and knowing i need to re-read the entire thing has made me lazy :(
Sakura
And honestly with the way you're going against bee, I figure it'd be kinda useless, you seem to have closed up to the possibility of being wrong.
abraker

Sakura wrote:

but with the lack of ability to do double ISOs and knowing i need to re-read the entire thing has made me lazy :(
Finally somebody I can share my feelings with. I kinda went "nope" to any more analyzing until the weekend after I posted that failure, which btw took me about 2 hours to compile. Not sure if I will not be lazy then too, but oh well.
Topic Starter
Zexion
Votecount 3.5
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika,Frostings , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
Frostings is V/LA is over.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
Sakura
I just realized i screwed up the quote, it should be B1rd's quote, not bee's.
Hika

B1rd wrote:

Can we consider our current situation for a moment? If beeboy wasn't scum then it doesn't make any sense that everyone else is either apathetic or against a beeboy lynch. It would only makes sense that if he weren't scum the actual scum would be trying to push a bandwagon to win.

It's easy to play capt. hindsight, but I did want to lynch bee yesterday when he was a hair's breadth away; I'm not apathetic but rather I'm annoyed that he somehow managed to convince other people with his weak AtE arguments that contain about as little substance as all the rest of his play.
I don't think this applies here because half of us are confused on who to vote off since Jess. I knew Jess would flip town but that's like... the usual lol.
I can literally throw out like a few guesses on who I could assume are scum but it's not easy because it's not like anyone of you guys are using a powerful argument to sway the rest of us to vote a certain person. I mean, you can say you all are but at the end of the day, you don't have a valid reason to vote someone at the moment unless you can pin point certain interactions with each other.

That's the only way town can win right now. You have to see who has the most interactions together. It looks suspicious when you've only mentioned something to each other D1 but haven't tried any of the other two days.

That's how I'm planning to look for scum so sorry dead townies bc I don't know how the hell im going to win lol
Hika

Sakura wrote:

And honestly with the way you're going against bee, I figure it'd be kinda useless, you seem to have closed up to the possibility of being wrong.
I know I quoted Sakura here but @bird, don't u think frosty has been babbling this entire time too? ;p

Mind you I haven't read the last two pages. I'll be getting to that really soon.
Frostings
I'm freeeeeeeeeee
Frostings
Hm, I'm actually having a hard time reading this game (though my reads are usually wrong anyway :))
I only trust Hika because my townread on her is something I think is more objective

I have an idea, but it would involve everybody sharing their reads and then No Lynching
Frostings
even if we lynch scum today, it'll still be Mylo tomorrow so regardless we need to lynch both scums consecutively
the only difference in No Lynching today is that we need 100% of town to agree on the correct lynch tomorrow vs 2 scum alive
Hika
I honestly think one more flip would do us good here...
That's just me though. I dont want to lynch either. just because i am extremely not confident with my reads at all.
beeboy123
aand you keep going on bout how tired you are of this game and how you've lost all motivation. You also threatened to intentionally make town lose, how can I overlook that?
But I didn't even do that o3o.
I haven't addressed a lot of your arguments because frankly the reasons I have scumread you are due to critical flaws in your gameplay and that's not something you can just talk your way out of like you did with Sakura. Your conversation with Sakura was just all about meta from other games and has little substance from this game. I would address things you said if I thought it would be productive, but it seems to me just arguing about interpretation that has little use except clogging up the thread and making it more confusing for everyone else to read.
I mean you make points I explain how they are wrong and you never bother to reconsider your read knowing that which isn't really town.
Like I am not saying after I say something you say is completely false you should TR me but the fact you aren't even bothering is really iffy.


I'm pretty sure Hika townread you in this thread recently...
Hika wanted to vote me and Frosty IIRC
beeboy123
Sakura-sama why don't you think b1rd is scum D:
beeboy123
Oops almost deleted that post...
Also I don't want to no lynch atm scum have too much info to work with.
Sakura

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura-sama why don't you think b1rd is scum D:

Sakura wrote:

As per my pairings post, i had abraker as 100% scum while B1rd as 50% scum, that may change given these new possibilities.
beeboy123
What about his posts themselves how do you feel about those? Not just partner spec
Sakura
I feel like he's stuck on a tunnel and that's all i feel.
Hika
bboy, I wanted to vote you but I changed my mind and deemed you and Sakura town.
Fuck me if I'm wrong but I want a frosty lynch maybe.
Topic Starter
Zexion
To prod or not to prod everyone... that is the question.

Votecount 3.6
beeboy123 [1] - B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
abraker [1] - Sakura
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [3] - Hika,Frostings , beeboy123
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
abraker, Frostings and B1rd have been prodded.
Day 3 ends on March 4th, 01:30 AM UTC.
B1rd
I'm just burnt out from arguing with people... in this thread and others.
Frostings
ah coming on later today
Topic Starter
Zexion
This is a friendly reminder that deadline is in about 8 hours.
abraker
Hello, this is a response to a prod.

Anyway, I can't make out anything until at least one mafia is lynched. Frostings seems the safest choice imo, and I am ready to pit the rope around my neck if he is not mafia just so that this headache can end.
B1rd
A mislynch means game over for town.
Hika
Ya but two of u scummy fucks aren't deserving of your win anyways so :u
abraker

Hika wrote:

Ya but two of u scummy fucks aren't deserving of your win anyways so :u
Who are you calling a scummy fuck, scummy fuck?
Hika
Town me is.
abraker

Hika wrote:

Town me is.
Everyone is guilty untill proven innocent
Hika
ok let's watch you flip then
abraker

Hika wrote:

ok let's watch you flip then
Oh don't be so modest. You can go first.
beeboy123
Abraker propose a scum team 4 me pls.
Hika
Frosty abraker
abraker
Frosty + Sakura
Frosty + BBoy
Frosty + Hika
Frosty + B1rd

From most likely to most unlikely imo
beeboy123
Vote: Abraker
abraker

beeboy123 wrote:

Vote: Abraker
You got one shot at this as B1rd said, how sure are you?
abraker
Also a reminder that it will be a very stupid move for scum to vote other scum into a guaranteed lynch at this stage. If a townie is lynched, it's gameover, if not, it's making things harder for scum. Therefore, if I am scum then the other scum must be very stupid to vote for me. Also therefore, there ends up being 2 candidates to choose from as potential scum if I come down to 3 votes and I am scum. If I am townie, then at least one scum will vote for me, if not both, be it the last one or already voting.
abraker
Same can go for anyone else, actually. But will scum attempt to risk voting scum to a guaranteed lynch now that I have said that?
Hika
Vote: abraker

bboy town
Hika
I sheep my townread
B1rd
hmmm...

vote: abraker
abraker
Now I know for a fact that at least one townie is voting for me. I also know for a fact that at least one mafia is voting for me. Proof: Why would they not vote for a townie and win?

Out Sakura, Hika, and Beeboy, at least one is townie and one is mafia.
Now if I am mafia, then either Bird is mafia or Frostings is mafia.
abraker
gameover mafia wins
abraker
You guys didn't even stop to consider that you can narrow down who is mafia by looking at who votes and does not vote at a critical point.
This game's townies were stupid beyond imagination, myself included.

B1rd and Hika did not even listen to my logic and just voted with no further explanation, what are you guys trying to say with that? Following your "gut" feelings?
abraker
oh yea... now a realize what idiot I am. It wasn't a 4 vote round, it was 2 vote. Mafia could just bandwagon the last 2.

I'll go die now.
B1rd
You will :D
Sakura
So you were town?
abraker

Sakura wrote:

So you were town?
yes
Sakura
I'll blame jess... forever.
Sakura
But if bee was scum guess there's someone i wont be seeing forever.
Sakura
I feel cheated out of a lynch due to Jess :(
Sakura
bah what am i saying i stopped putting effort in this game and got lazy, i have no one but me to blame.
Hika
Yup. That Jess lynch kinda made me lose hope for the game...
B1rd

Sakura wrote:

But if bee was scum guess there's someone i wont be seeing forever.
I hate to disappoint you.
Topic Starter
Zexion
How did this happen

Votecount 3.6
abraker [4] - Sakura, beeboy123, Hika, B1rd (LYNCH)
Frostings [1] - abraker
beeboy123 [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
B1rd [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Frostings
With 6 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

A lynch has been achieved.
Topic Starter
Zexion
I can't write an epic story conclusion... I'm sorry.

abraker has been lynched Day 3. He was a Vanilla Townie.

Sakura, Frostings and Hika, Vanilla Townies have been endgamed.

The scumteam of beeboy123 and B1rd, Mafia Goons, have won the game!

Scum wins!
B1rd
As expected :oops:
Topic Starter
Zexion
So yeah, I can't really write in much detail right now because I'm not on my home.

Mod QT
Dead QT

Mafia can release their QT if they wish.

Holyshit Jess lynchbait 2017.
Topic Starter
Zexion
Can we have a Greatest Idea IV?
rEdo
You guys suck. beeboy was literally screaming scum :(

Nice scum play from B1rd, I figured out you were mimicking what strong townreads were saying pretending you do the scumhunt too. I loved the D3 1v1 you had with your scumpartner, wp.
rEdo
God I won't trust town anymore, I was convinced that a beeboy lynch will happen if I let Jess flip town, but apparently Sakura got manipulated af and that snowballed too hard :p
rEdo
scum can i have your qt pls
Sakura

rEdo wrote:

God I won't trust town anymore, I was convinced that a beeboy lynch will happen if I let Jess flip town, but apparently Sakura got manipulated af :p
sorry orz
Sakura
beeboy had his scum partner voting him, town didnt really need me...
Sakura
I should probably dissapear, again
Sakura
at least im happy i read Frosty correctly for once.
Hika
Kms.
abraker
Frosty deserves a formal apology from me

this game was so horrible :cry:

gg scum
B1rd

rEdo wrote:

You guys suck. beeboy was literally screaming scum :(

Nice scum play from B1rd, I figured out you were mimicking what strong townreads were saying pretending you do the scumhunt too. I loved the D3 1v1 you had with your scumpartner, wp.

rEdo wrote:

God I won't trust town anymore, I was convinced that a beeboy lynch will happen if I let Jess flip town, but apparently Sakura got manipulated af and that snowballed too hard :p
I was trying to tell them but they wouldn't listen :(

Thanks, it was good playing with you. Seems I was right in thinking I should take you out early http://puu.sh/utd8y/32df616df8.PNG and seems I managed to correctly guess you had a PR :D

Well I'd like to attribute this victory to some mastermind plan. But seems town dug their own grave with Sakura completely failing with her reads, Hika pre-hammering for reasons yet unkown, and none of the other town players being strong enough to scumhunt effectively. I was thinking the game would end up 3 player LyLo.
Sakura

B1rd wrote:

But seems town dug their own grave with Sakura completely failing with her reads
Ouch
Sakura
But yeah you're right.
It was 100% my fault.
Frostings
Hm I read Sakura and Hika correctly, guess I didn't go into beeboy proper
Still not sure of abraker's meta, I should have trusted my gut read on him Day1 after his initial list posts. B1rd manipulated my read on him :)

Sorry I got busy in the last few days. I would have liked a no lynch simply because there were no unanimous town reads, so another flip might have helped us. Scum took advantage of the situation it seems like. I also forgot to look into rEdo's reads after he died :(
-[Jess]-
I know this will happen
-[Jess]-
But I am too bad to tell about everyone about my thought
I should really learn for it
Dawns
this was a fun first mafia game
Hika
this game was kinda okay

I guess

I hate myself
beeboy123
I told Zexion I would share my strat when I got lynced... I'll be nice and tell him my strategy anyway.

I basically just wanted to be lynched day 3 by Sakura have the day end ASAP (I didn't respond or address a lot of what Sakura said to me on purpose) and have only Sakura benefit from my flip in terms of being scum read. (I literally self voted to claim scum idk how I didn't get lynched for that)
Then I kinda took that too far and Sakura ended up town reading me and I wanted to end the game ASAP to apologize to Sakura and I pushed abraker.

Honestly Sakura town read me out of good faith alone and nothing else so idk how much I think I deserved to win this game.
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