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Yuudachi-kun

Khelly wrote:

I'd rather see two charts from the same map than having one that is inappropriate in difficulty for its level. But that's just my opinion on candy galy and I don't know how anyone else feels about it.
I don't know what's going on

(18m ago score as #8 on 4 dan)

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5587005 94.2/94.2/94.1/91.9
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5586998 96.5/96.2/95.2/94

This is why I don't think Candy Galy is right but no one else has commented on it yet except Lampranthus and he thinks it's ok.
Topic Starter
Shoegazer

zero2snow wrote:

4k 5th dan clear
http://puu.sh/pXWIu/796d1a5b62.jpg
http://puu.sh/pXWKY/ae2c4baa02.jpg
I can't do fast songs like bangin' burst QAQ
Added your score, but do post in the right thread next time: t/304735

Khelly wrote:

Khelly wrote:

I'd rather see two charts from the same map than having one that is inappropriate in difficulty for its level. But that's just my opinion on candy galy and I don't know how anyone else feels about it.
I don't know what's going on

(18m ago score as #8 on 4 dan)

https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5587005 94.2/94.2/94.1/91.9
https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5586998 96.5/96.2/95.2/94

This is why I don't think Candy Galy is right but no one else has commented on it yet except Lampranthus and he thinks it's ok.
I initially overestimated the difficulty of Candy Galy mainly because I forgot that there's this steep learning curve that dense jumpstream has that is not present in any of the other charts in 4th dan - there's also the fact that Candy Galy is pretty fast to begin with.

It's definitely a mistake on my part, but I'm not sure if I'm going to change songs or not. We could use the same song for different dan courses (the old Luminal dan had AiAe, for example) - but I prefer not to do it unless it's absolutely necessary. I'll try to find a light JS stamina chart eventually.
Yuudachi-kun
Deleted and reposting because most of what I said was invalidated with a discovery.

Maybe it's just a mental thing on my part but Candy Galy is weird. I played Japanese Transformation ht (which is od9) and got 91% and looking through the replay, it's the same type of dense JS pattern. (Or not; I only see it being 2 1 2 1 2 1 in the JS parts in terms of how many notes there are just like CG) Meanwhile my best on Candy Galy at od8 is only 92% or so on the individual map BUT that's with 3/4 of the map being nothing but easy to acc fluff so my score on the JS part might as well be like 83%.

Also I think if you want a light stamina JS map you should look at Southern Cross Hard 14 (from some yolomania pack iirc?); I think this is a completely perfect choice and as a bonus it has consistent difficulty and isn't free acc for the first 50% like Candy Galy.
KJY




9th dan passed lol
KJY




10th dan passed fuck god...
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Nice scores, but do post in the proper thread next time.
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Just going to point out that snover has decided to make a Tachyon v3, because he overestimated the difficulty of a couple of charts in the course. The coruse is overall harder. Should be uploading that in a few days, I'm posting this just as a forewarning for anyone who is trying to go for Tachyon at the moment.

SPOILER
t+pazolite with siromaru - Chambarising [Challenge 1.2x] (Evening) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/923888&m=3
DJ Sharpnel - Over the Fullereneshift [Komm, susser Tod 1.4x] (Fullerene-/Wiosna) - https://osu.ppy.sh/s/189224
goreshit - o'er the flood [1.5x] (IcyWorld) - Nuclear Blast 5
LV.4 - Angel Dust [-DESPAIR-] (snover) - Timdam Snackpack

Tachyon v2 scores would be nulled, but you'll still have a flair to show that you have passed an old version of Tachyon regardless. I'm still allowing Tachyon v2 scores however - but that flair will not be your predominant flair unless you have never passed any of the previous dans.
Yuudachi-kun
I think it's in poor taste to make an official version of a dan that uses rates for the courses instead of 1.0 maps.

Would any v3 of dan 1 through luminal use 1.1 up or 0.9 and down? If not then why is Tachyon different?
Topic Starter
Shoegazer

Khelly wrote:

I think it's in poor taste to make an official version of a dan that uses rates for the courses instead of 1.0 maps.

Would any v3 of dan 1 through luminal use 1.1 up or 0.9 and down? If not then why is Tachyon different?
Limited variety of charts is really the only reason why rates are used. Nobody really makes charts of super high difficulty, even less so when it comes to charts that are actually compatible for the given difficulty range that Tachyon has (skillsets as well). This won't be the case for any dan lower than Tachyon because there are ample charts in that range that can be picked from.

There probably won't be v3 dan courses. I personally didn't really want to do much with the other dan courses (except for maybe 4th and 8th dans) because I think it'll just be a never-ending cycle of what can be improved on, but it was a contribution on snover's part and I didn't really see a strong reason to reject the idea given that Tachyon v2 has an unintended difficulty drop (Exile). Same applies for 4th dan and 8th dan, but in the opposite direction (difficulty spikes).
Yuudachi-kun
Hi shoegazer

I got really bored today because I wasn't playing well at all and I decided to re-imagine the 4th dan course because I think it's the only one that's really bad. Tell me how bad you think the map selection is (or not :<) because today I've been polling every 3-4d player (Who has played current 4 dan) I know.

https://osu.ppy.sh/s/505947

Topic Starter
Shoegazer
What is the third song in 4th dan? Never seen that chart before. The difficulty range seems generally fine, but the sync is a bit wonky - which can be amended manually anyway.
Yuudachi-kun

Shoegazer wrote:

What is the third song in 4th dan? Never seen that chart before. The difficulty range seems generally fine, but the sync is a bit wonky - which can be amended manually anyway.

Christraping black breakcore

I am unaware of where I got it in stepmania (and as an osu mania convert)
princesswell

Khelly wrote:

Christraping black breakcore

I am unaware of where I got it in stepmania (and as an osu mania convert)
It's from yolo 2 if I remember correctly
Yuudachi-kun
Dan 4 = yolomania
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
4th Dan and Tachyon courses have been updated. You have 24 hours as of this post to submit your 4th Dan v1/Tachyon v2 scores. No other courses have been affected.

DL link to updated dan courses
SPOILER
4th Dan (δ-4)
OSTER project - Devilz Sacrifice (Fullerene-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157
Bach ft. West Village - Black Cloak Skeleton (porkypink) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157
XACKSECKS - Christraping Black Breakcore (MrTea) - Yolomania Vol. 2
Alex c. feat. Yasmin K. - Angel of Darkness (Leo137) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/563157


Tachyon (ε-δ)
t+pazolite with siromaru - Chambarising [Challenge 1.2x] (Evening) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/923888&m=3
DJ Sharpnel - Cyber Induction (cut) [1.4x] (IcyWorld) - Nuclear Blast 4
Camellia - shadows of cats [1.2x] (Wafles) - Dump Parade
LV.4 - Angel Dust [-DESPAIR-] (snover) - timdam snackpack

This will probably be the last time Tachyon will be updated, and probably the last time the dan courses will be updated in general. Like before, there will be new leaderboards, and your flair will be differentiated from the older passes if you pass this course. Tachyon v3 is noticeably harder than Tachyon v2. 4th Dan v2 should be noticeably easier than 4th Dan v1, due to the absence of Candy Galy (and being substituted with an easier chart). As usual, thanks for the people involved. Their names have been credited accordingly in the metadata of the dan courses.
InabaYap
Barely cleared 4th dan v2 in one try, while my best in v1 is 95.05%.

If this is intended, thanks khelly.
Asrielly
snover had the idea for tachyon v3
eze updated the v3 on 9/11
so I guess the truth is finland + singapore teamed up to do 9/11
edit: it's true guys

edit v2: one of the masterminds decided to help me
Yuudachi-kun

InabaYap wrote:

Barely cleared 4th dan v2 in one try, while my best in v1 is 95.05%.

If this is intended, thanks khelly.

This is very much intended; candy galy (and honestly the other maps but they were ok) made 4 dan v1 unfun to play and clear even if you were at that skill level imo. I had to skip 4th and get 5th first because of that. Hopefully more people can be encouraged now to clear 4th dan.

The first map should be relatively easy introduction to 4th dan but still test JS and jumptrill skills that I don't remember if 3rd dan has at all because 4th dan starts the transition into Stepmania mapping styles. I think anyone who's progressed past 4th dan will find this map completely 99% trivial, but for a new 3rd dan who's decided "I want to test out 4th dan", you can't exactly play it on autopilot.

If you learn to play the 2nd map well you should be prepared for learning to play that was too slow in 5th dan since jacking becomes a skill at this point.

The third map is a speed map where you might need to (or not) learn that you can jumptrill the 4321 4321 patterns like in the burst in Grief and Malice. The various repeated patterns especially at the end remind me of 403 forbidden in a way. It might seem a bit too long but in terms of note count the maps are still weighted 20/20/30/30 roughly.

The 4th map is a better light (and sometimes dense) stamina jumpstream map. Personally I don't think it's as hard as Black cloak skeleton or Breakcore, but it fits the theme of the last map being stamina JS like in 5th, 6th, 8th, 9th, and 10th(?) dan. If you're attempting to clear 4th dan and don't have better stamina it'll probably be really hard seeing as you just came from playing breakcore.
AbsurdDive
I'll man up and try these

Juankristal sent me here... if i suffer any injuries while attempting them..you know who I'm gonna blame..

:^)


Thanks for this thread man! :D
DoNotMess
it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...
Hinpoppo

DoNotMess wrote:

it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...
Try to think logically about it and find charts similar to difficulty as the ones in the Dans. For example in 10th Dan, if you need to find training charts for The Lost Dedicated, try to find some 130bpm dense jacks to help with the chart; The same applies with Connect 1986. A lot of speed dump charts are also a lower bpm with higher snaps; if you look at around the 140bpm range you can probably find some good charts there too.

There are a lot of charts around that level, you just need to explore with more of an eye for identifying them.
Yuudachi-kun
Hikona
Nice system, dan for mania
JustinNF
4th dan v2 hype?
AbsurdDive

DoNotMess wrote:

it would be good if u provide training songs that are the same level with each dans
BECAUSE I'M STRUGGLING ...

i found (at least on the first three) that some patterns are similar to their single counterparts (the first dan's final song has the same gonad breaking ending than the original song) hahaha

if you search each individual song you would find a "logical" ground level to practice each dan ^^
Yuudachi-kun
The first three use ranked maps and aren't very uhh...

They have the quality of ranked osu mania
Febrimillia-Kun
I like The All Pack Map Luminal ^^
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Pre-Christmas updates, hopefully the last updates for this.

Khelly/Yuudachi-kun has decided to redo the first 3 dan courses, due to the lower chart quality in the first three courses. The first three dans should be around the same difficulty, though you can find some patterning to be frustrating due to the anchory nature of some of the charts in the courses. I should be uploading these courses in the next few days - so this is a forewarning for anyone who is going for 1st to 3rd Dan in the next 48 hours. This also means that all scores for 1st to 3rd Dan v1 will be invalidated.

Dan courses in this range are OD7.5 and HP8. These courses have 10 second breaks between songs.
SPOILER
1st Dan (δ-1)
9nine - Cross Over [Medium] (Golgo13) - SMOC 8th
Ryu* - Second Heaven [4K Another] (Spy) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378316
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [MEDIUM] (Rinzler) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/721999
Vospi - Reverence [Hard] (Side) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1006357

2nd Dan (δ-2)
Suzaku - VANESSA [4K HD] (Quick Draw) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/467656
M2U - The Prince of Darkness [4K HD] (leqek) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392677
Camellia - Routing [Chickening's Hard] ([ A v a l o n ]) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/983252
Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Hyper] (Wh1teh) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002503

3rd Dan (δ-3)
Rche - entelecheia [Hyper] (Starry-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1018853
Transin - Soul Destructor [MX] (pporse) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/530768
dj TAKA feat.AiMEE - True Blue [victorica's ExTrA] (ZZHBOY) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/956012
Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [ADVANCED] (Fresh Chicken) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770124

You might notice that the MP3 quality of some of these songs are garbage as well, Soul Destructor is the most notable example. All complaints go to Khelly for that.

Second update, there will now be backgrounds for all 4K dan courses. Sparx555 and sinewave have made backgrounds for these dan courses to make them easier to differentiate from other dan courses and to create a more "professional" presentation. You are of course, still allowed to use the ones with no background or the ones uploaded by pikechu (and other people who have uploaded the dan courses online), as long as the dan courses are the most updated versions.

This should be the last update for any dan course. While there is a notable error in 8th dan (Kaguyahime/Brute Force being too difficult), I don't think it's fruitful to really change it further. 5th dan is by far the most popular dan course played (and is received very well) and it will be a really bad idea to change anything about it. 6th dan doesn't seem to have any notable errors, maybe sans Bangin' Burst.

Thank you to everyone involved, and apologies for the inconvenience to players who are currently 1st to 3rd Dan.

Oh yeah, there are 4K LN dan courses if that tickles your fancy too. Give arcwinolivirus' 4K LN tier courses if that tickles your fancy.
Yuudachi-kun
DDMythical

Shoegazer wrote:

Pre-Christmas updates, hopefully the last updates for this.

Khelly/Yuudachi-kun has decided to redo the first 3 dan courses, due to the lower chart quality in the first three courses. The first three dans should be around the same difficulty, though you can find some patterning to be frustrating due to the anchory nature of some of the charts in the courses. I should be uploading these courses in the next few days - so this is a forewarning for anyone who is going for 1st to 3rd Dan in the next 48 hours. This also means that all scores for 1st to 3rd Dan v1 will be invalidated.

Dan courses in this range are OD7.5 and HP8. These courses have 10 second breaks between songs.
SPOILER
1st Dan (δ-1)
9nine - Cross Over [Medium] (Golgo13) - SMOC 8th
Ryu* - Second Heaven [4K Another] (Spy) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/378316
ARM feat. Nanahira - Bakunana*Testroyer [MEDIUM] (Rinzler) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/721999
Vospi - Reverence [Hard] (Side) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1006357

2nd Dan (δ-2)
Suzaku - VANESSA [4K HD] (Quick Draw) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/467656
M2U - The Prince of Darkness [4K HD] (leqek) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/392677
Camellia - Routing [Chickening's Hard] ([ A v a l o n ]) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/983252
Colorful Sounds Port - ETERNAL DRAIN [Hyper] (Wh1teh) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1002503

3rd Dan (δ-3)
Rche - entelecheia [Hyper] (Starry-) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1018853
Transin - Soul Destructor [MX] (pporse) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/530768
dj TAKA feat.AiMEE - True Blue [victorica's ExTrA] (ZZHBOY) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/956012
Camellia as "Bang Riot" - Blastix Riotz [ADVANCED] (Fresh Chicken) - https://osu.ppy.sh/b/770124

You might notice that the MP3 quality of some of these songs are garbage as well, Soul Destructor is the most notable example. All complaints go to Khelly for that.

Second update, there will now be backgrounds for all 4K dan courses. Sparx555 and sinewave have made backgrounds for these dan courses to make them easier to differentiate from other dan courses and to create a more "professional" presentation. You are of course, still allowed to use the ones with no background or the ones uploaded by pikechu (and other people who have uploaded the dan courses online), as long as the dan courses are the most updated versions.

This should be the last update for any dan course. While there is a notable error in 8th dan (Kaguyahime/Brute Force being too difficult), I don't think it's fruitful to really change it further. 5th dan is by far the most popular dan course played (and is received very well) and it will be a really bad idea to change anything about it. 6th dan doesn't seem to have any notable errors, maybe sans Bangin' Burst.

Thank you to everyone involved, and apologies for the inconvenience to players who are currently 1st to 3rd Dan.
WE DID IT BOYS
Topic Starter
Shoegazer
Actually I might as well post the download links now.
1st Dan to 3rd Dan

You have 24 hours to post your 1st to 3rd Dan v1 scores. Any score past that point will be voided.

Thanks to Khelly for poking me non-stop about this. Also he told me to post this to avoid misdirected slander:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

abraker and mithew for helping decide what charts to put in for 1st and 2nd Dan.
DDMythical for helping me pick charts for 3rd Dan.
Side and Staravia for fixing the sync for 1st and 2nd Dan.
Sparx555 for making initial graphics and the general design and sinewave for creating the rest of the graphics.
The rest of the backgrounds are in the download links of the original post.
katiexie
I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:
Yuudachi-kun

katiexie wrote:

I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:

Hey this is the exact same problem I had. (95.99% on 7 dan teice because go for it 92%)

Then I got 96% on 9th dan and dont have to worry about 7.
Razzy

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

katiexie wrote:

I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:

Hey this is the exact same problem I had. (95.99% on 7 dan teice because go for it 92%)

Then I got 96% on 9th dan and dont have to worry about 7.
What did you get on Can't Take My Eyes Off Of You again, compared to Go For It?
Yuudachi-kun
Go for it avg 93
Go for it pb 94

Cant take my eyes avg 91.5
9 dan run 93
Cuber
http://puu.sh/tbtzD/b145d18ac9.jpg

After playing just the 3rd song in the 2nd dan.

My acc goes from 97% to below 90% on that chart.

pls fix?
Ayaya

Cuber wrote:

http://puu.sh/tbtzD/b145d18ac9.jpg

After playing just the 3rd song in the 2nd dan.

My acc goes from 97% to below 90% on that chart.

pls fix?
They literally redid Dan 1-3. there is nothing need fixing. Just need to get good, sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth.
Cuber

Ayaya wrote:

Cuber wrote:

http://puu.sh/tbtzD/b145d18ac9.jpg

After playing just the 3rd song in the 2nd dan.

My acc goes from 97% to below 90% on that chart.

pls fix?
They literally redid Dan 1-3. there is nothing need fixing. Just need to get good, sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth.
You are misunderstanding.

I just realized I didn't express my problem well lol.

My issue is that it seems to be mistimed. The screenshot shows that I hit the keys 30ms late on average (playing only the 3rd map). This is not normal.

My acc is 97% on https://osu.ppy.sh/b/983252, but I got 86% playing the SAME chart in the 2nd dan chart.

Sorry for my retardation xd
x incoming

Ayaya wrote:

Cuber wrote:

http://puu.sh/tbtzD/b145d18ac9.jpg

After playing just the 3rd song in the 2nd dan.

My acc goes from 97% to below 90% on that chart.

pls fix?
They literally redid Dan 1-3. there is nothing need fixing. Just need to get good, sorry if that sounds harsh but it's the truth.
2nd dan 3rd map is actually mistimed... just look at it in the editor
Yuudachi-kun
Side gave me the sync and eze probably would've caught it.

I'm literally the least qualified person to hear sync issues because I can't even if they're 50 ms apart. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
yetii

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Go for it avg 93
Go for it pb 94

Cant take my eyes avg 91.5
9 dan run 93
wait wat, i had 95,8 on my dan7 clear on go for it but i can only 92% the first song on dan 9 and 94 the first song on dan 8

feelsbadman
Yuudachi-kun

Yetified wrote:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Go for it avg 93
Go for it pb 94

Cant take my eyes avg 91.5
9 dan run 93
wait wat, i had 95,8 on my dan7 clear on go for it but i can only 92% the first song on dan 9 and 94 the first song on dan 8

feelsbadman
M I N D B L O C K S
verrsun
Mod permission or not now?
Friends told me if I use hidden, it won't be admitted.
Jinjin

verrsun wrote:

Mod permission or not now?
Friends told me if I use hidden, it won't be admitted.
Well, the rules are written for a reason :p


You are allowed to use hidden.
Gekido
I will murder whoever thought it was a good idea to change the second dan to something that's like 80% slow streams with chords in it.

The dans before that had a good variety of patterns in it (just talking about the first and second one, haven't played the third yet because I suck). Why would you ever change it?

I'm just butthurt because I did like 5 95.something% scores on the second dan v2 and need to shit on someone or something to calm down, sorry.

Edit: Can't even click "spoiler" properly smh
Yuudachi-kun


If you're saying these things have a "good" variety of patterns, then you need some good stepmania and osu-unranked medicine.

Bangin burst

e: Which reminds me my next project was compiling lists of charts to go along with every dan so people can find something to play around that level.
Gekido
I admit that some patterns are a little... terrible. But damn, all those streams are really bothering me, which might be because of my lack of practice in those.

The dans v1 felt like a true test of your arsenal of skills, while the v2 dans are very very stream/jump-stream based. Usual osu!mania 1/2 patterns are barely present as well as some nice LNs. It's probably just my bias because I'm not much of a stepmania player and a ranked map whore, don't mind me.

My point is/was just that streams are not everything you'll have to be able to play to be good at osu!mania. But now that I think about, I guess if you can stream well you can play slower patterns just as well except LNs.

A list of maps around the dan levels sounds nice. It would probably help a lot of plebs like me to get out of their ranked map comfy zone.
Yuudachi-kun
The way the original dans 1-3 were, ignoring the fact that at least one chart in each dan had really really bad gimmicky patterns, did have more variety of patterns, but they're patterns that are only relevant for badly charted 3* osu ranked files. Even if nothing got updated, only learning those would not have prepared you for anything from 4 dan through Tachyon. You'd just be stuck with nowhere to go.

Believe me though, that if you can actually progress to 4-5 dan then learning any of the gimmicky LN and SV meta in osu mania ranked will be much MUCH easier than only having experience with the former and trying to learn nuclear blast JS. There's also the issue that different skillsets in picking charts for each dan are really hard to find below 4-dan.
Gekido
Well, I've just have to trust you on this one since I'm not even good enough for 3rd dan. Ask again in a couple of years wwwwwwww


Edit: I just noticed that one diff in the 3rd dan song list is incorrect. It's True Blue [EXTREME] not [victorica's ExTrA].
Schynagel
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katiexie

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

katiexie wrote:

I have tried a lot of time and could not pass the 7Dan v2 with 95.52acc because of the go for it only got 92acc。But I can get 95.57acc :cry: in the 8dan v1 and 95.2acc in 9dan v1 :cry: :cry:

Hey this is the exact same problem I had. (95.99% on 7 dan teice because go for it 92%)

Then I got 96% on 9th dan and dont have to worry about 7.

today,I have tired the 9dan v2 and i got 95.83%,and then, i tired 7dan v2 and got 95.87acc.... fortunate, i passed 8dan v1 with 96.6%
HiMelody
where can i find 4k LN dan?
Jinjin

HiMelody wrote:

where can i find 4k LN dan?
The 4K LN dan courses aren't a part of our mania dan courses (yet(?)). But as far as I know, arcwinolivirus has made 4K LN dan courses. You will be able to find the 4K LN dan courses in his user page. Here are the first two LN 4K Dans: https://osu.ppy.sh/s/578471
DDMythical
everyone should consider suicide
Yuudachi-kun
8th dan to me is a bit too hard because of the combination of Kaguyahime + Brute force. But that's ok - the only problem I have is that in relation to 8th dan, 9th is too easy. Can't take my eyes off of you is an ok step up from trapce, and sayonara planet wars is an all right difficulty jumpstream chart. However, Stinger is so fucking easy that RATO overshadows it. We fucking hate you is also easier than brute force. I would suggest replacing these with something like harumodoki (or jack sparrow) and something like Call me it. (500 Tortures) for the boss chart from yolomania.

That's just my idea of the difficulty they should be at - I have no clue if their note count would be appropriate.

Also eze isn't going to remake 9 dan and I really don't want to
The way1010
Where can i find the single song source in old versions Dan?For example,i like the second and third songs in 10th Dan V1.Where can i find it?
DDMythical

The way1010 wrote:

Where can i find the single song source in old versions Dan?For example,i like the second and third songs in 10th Dan V1.Where can i find it?
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/79839 (song 2)
Song 3 is on stepmania. (hard song megapack 12)
junior8858
The gap between 9 and 10...
lol
Yuudachi-kun

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

8th dan to me is a bit too hard because of the combination of Kaguyahime + Brute force. But that's ok - the only problem I have is that in relation to 8th dan, 9th is too easy. Can't take my eyes off of you is an ok step up from trapce, and sayonara planet wars is an all right difficulty jumpstream chart. However, Stinger is so fucking easy that RATO overshadows it. We fucking hate you is also easier than brute force. I would suggest replacing these with something like harumodoki (or jack sparrow) and something like Call me it. (500 Tortures) for the boss chart from yolomania.

That's just my idea of the difficulty they should be at - I have no clue if their note count would be appropriate.

Also eze isn't going to remake 9 dan and I really don't want to
Actually I'm going to ammend this by saying yolo dumps' "Get Jinxd" would work for the speedy chart of 9 dan
katiexie

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

8th dan to me is a bit too hard because of the combination of Kaguyahime + Brute force. But that's ok - the only problem I have is that in relation to 8th dan, 9th is too easy. Can't take my eyes off of you is an ok step up from trapce, and sayonara planet wars is an all right difficulty jumpstream chart. However, Stinger is so fucking easy that RATO overshadows it. We fucking hate you is also easier than brute force. I would suggest replacing these with something like harumodoki (or jack sparrow) and something like Call me it. (500 Tortures) for the boss chart from yolomania.

That's just my idea of the difficulty they should be at - I have no clue if their note count would be appropriate.

Also eze isn't going to remake 9 dan and I really don't want to
Actually I'm going to ammend this by saying yolo dumps' "Get Jinxd" would work for the speedy chart of 9 dan

the difficult map in the 8th danv2 is the first song,I only got 93.9% in it,and passed 8th danv2 with 96.3%
Yuudachi-kun
That's probably because you're bad at jacks like me.





But can I say Brute force 1.1 is actually easier than Trapce 1.0 because of this when talking about a dan
katiexie

Yuudachi-kun wrote:

That's probably because you're bad at jacks like me.





But can I say Brute force 1.1 is actually easier than Trapce 1.0 because of this when talking about a dan



yeah。I hardly ever play the jacks。I often play the maps like speed of links and the 10dollar dump this kind of maps
-PrixMatK-


Yay (´。• ω •。`)
Evening

-PrixMatK- wrote:



Yay (´。• ω •。`)
post your scores on t/304735
makes it easier to keep track
junior8858
I think ice angel 1.2x will be better than shadow of cats
The difficulty spike is pretty ridiculous
snoverpk_old
shadows of cats is fine, ice angel has too many notes and 2 jack maps in 1 dan would be unfair
(also it's not as hard as you think)
Yuudachi-kun

snoverpk wrote:

shadows of cats is fine, ice angel has too many notes and 2 jack maps in 1 dan would be unfair
(also it's not as hard as you think)
Even april thought shadow of cats was ???



Kappa

Tbh you could've just replaced Exile with Chaimbarising 1.2 :thinking:
Miniature Lamp
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Shoegazer
Hello,

Certain things to point out, since your points are essentially repetitions of a couple of concepts:
- Charts not being on time; some of the dan courses were made in a period where timing is really difficult for me, since I used a program that focused on waveform rather than sound for timing. I understand some of the concerns, though many players who play through these courses will rarely notice this because of how they play mostly visually. Incompetency on my part, which is also why I'm not planning on making any in the future.

- Certain charts being terrible, or imaginative (the proper term is "usage of ghost notes"). Most of the charts you mentioned (barring Stinger) fall under dump charting; this is essentially an expansion of conventional charting where charts do not adhere to your standard "every note must be justified by one particular sound" and "chords cannot be this heavy because charts of other music with similar intensity only have chords of this density". It's more about conveying the essence of the music (for playability purposes, usually to make charts that are harder than the music is given) while conserving some level of musical relevancy. You shouldn't be looking at charts like Can't Take My Eyes Off You, Kaguyahime and Go For It with the same lens as you would for your standard ranked chart.

This is not to say that some of the charts here are not very good of course. I don't like playing through a good portion of these charts myself, but there are not so much there for playability (though it's certainly a "best of the worst" situation), but moreso because they fit a certain niche in the course. Additionally the reception for these charts from players are typically positive if the charts are in isolation, so to the general community, they find a good portion of the charts enjoyable to play through.

You can't really say the same for most of the charts here if you're looking at it from a charting perspective, which you clearly are. I understand the concerns if you're looking at it from a charting perspective and I agree with some of them, but again, you're not the target audience here. You can easily plow through 85-90% of the charts here and criticise it for having layering inconsistencies and poor pattern selection (and I could as well), but what's the point in being pointlessly analytical if players (i.e. the target audience) won't even notice the nuances and consistencies that charters value so much in the first place?

- Charts being difficulty spikes have been acknowledged elsewhere and I've admitted to that many times. Other dan courses have been made to try to amend for that, but they are also having problems of their own. Again, incompetency on my part, and it's also why I don't like dan courses as a concept now. It's not easy to find charts that are of suitable difficulty (relative to other charts), especially if the person who is selecting the charts has a skill level far above the skill level needed for the dan courses themselves.

The main reason why dan courses got so big in the first place is because it's an easy way to assess skill. Many players have disputed the PP system as a poor system due to a small selection of ranked charts (consequentially being "who is the best at a certain set of charts", though dan courses aren't too much better in that regard) and lackluster difficulty system. This works probably as well as it can be since players consider this to be a common language as to how good a player is. There are some errors in the dan courses of course (sync, spikes), I'd absolutely be the first person to say that, but it doesn't stop people from overlooking these imperfections because these problems aren't all that significant to them. There are exceptions to the rule, you and several others included, but it's still a minority.

I don't expect you to change your mind about these dan courses not being a useful assessor of skill. I think dan courses should be something people should take lightly because of how it's essentially "how well you can do these 4 charts of varying skillsets", but again, it's the closest osu!mania has to an actual assessor of skill. That is the only reason why it has gained as much traction as it did. I think calling it a bad way to assess skill is incorrect to some degree, but most of your criticisms about chart quality (which is different from enjoyability), sync and difficulty spikes are sound, and I agree with your points there. It's just that again, you're fixating on the wrong aspects of what makes dan courses so appealing to players in the first place.

Hope that gives you some explanations on why dan courses are so big in the first place, despite all of these flaws that you've pointed out.
Yuudachi-kun
This guy has osu standards about charting

Also lamp guy do you like Eternal Drain as a chart in ranked Eternal diff
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DarthSkrill
bojii
o2su
2nd dan.

Hinpoppo

o2su wrote:

2nd dan.

Go go go
Nevation
can't wait to try Dan Courses
owo
feradg
i've heard a lot about those so called dan courses but only today i understood what they mean.

i think i can achieve second dan... we'll see... Congrats to those monsters that can 10th dan.
D-H-Jack
Chronical V
Is there any spreadsheet with all the qualified scores? I kinda wanna see how many luminals there are
DeletedUser_6031847

Chronical V wrote:

Is there any spreadsheet with all the qualified scores? I kinda wanna see how many luminals there are
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 2101866079
_Rizk4y
owo what's this
saxo99

DothThouHoist wrote:

Well you need a minimal of 96% to clear the dan. So yeah...
edit*: only staiain can, so yeah
now she can ;)
Kanaris
Hi Shoegazer! Love the idea of the Dan course. I'm getting super close to clearing 1st Dan (96% throughout, 94% after Reverence..)

Anyway, I noticed that in the 2nd Dan the 3rd map is out of sync?? Routing by Camellia is one of my favourite songs, and Tofu's mapset of it is something I play almost every day. Chicken's, not so much, but I played Chicken's after playing the 2nd Dan and yes it most definitely was out of sync in the 2nd Dan! The 1st, 2nd, and 4th maps included in the 2nd Dan all seemed in sync. My acc was very consistently very off while playing the Routing in the 2nd Dan but not in Chicken's actual map!

Could you please check this out? I'm surprised this made it past all the people playing these courses :thinking:
Zatop
real
Jason House

5dan complete
AbsurdDive
I haven't touched the dan courses in a while and been playing etterna. Going back to my 1st love kinda worked I guess

Last time I've tried this course


Current PB (scoreV2 because why the hell not)


p.s.: I think the dan courses are kinda dead... and i posted in the wrong neighborhood and noticed 4 months late... nice! haha
NBA YOUNGBOY
when r u sniping my scintill meme scores dud
strupEX
Very good courses.

Can't pass 5th dan (95,99%). I'm a bad player overall
SMBSF
nice courses
AbsurdDive

Celine wrote:

when r u sniping my scintill meme scores dud


Who is that directed to? haha



(If to me: I need hands to consistently play the files I've cleared so far. So I don't see that happening) lul
SectorJack
THE DOWNLOADS ARE GONE :crab:
Aniell4
dropbox links dont work, please fix
Refuse
please put new link for dan course download links
robertlkc
anyone got the links to the maps

op seems inactive
foodcache3
thats a big rip
Eichi_Emu
Plz put new link
X_Devil
moneydaddy

X_Devil wrote:

4k Dans in one archive

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3nee256bav6mneq/4k%20Dans.rar?dl=0


thank you so much
Airyzea-
I think it needs to be tried
James Ong
new link please, link dead
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