Also, yes, it was a mistake. I actually was very confused yesterday when being explained too so my apologies. I barely slept and reread everything last night.
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Mind that I wasn't comprehending possible roles at that point until Sakura explained how the chart works. So I couldn't fact thatB1rd wrote:
abraker: his play so far doesn't seem atypical, though I am a bit suspicious that he didn't realise the possibility of a doctor when usually he seems to be very focused on facts
At that point I thought it was all roles on the chart with one mafia role removed and a townie role added so you can have the 2:7 setup. I wasnt even aware most townies were regular townies.
My reads thus far. Me and rEdo conf town.
Bird still looking townie to me.
Rest is null for now.
Bird still looking townie to me.
Rest is null for now.
Yeah, I have to say I'm pretty conftown as well 
don't get ahead of yourself Australian :p
I am here,
So,first I have to said I make a wrong choice on Day 1 by lynching dawn.This is the most silliest mistake I made.I want to explain who dawn is a town tho,but at that moment,If I explain why,scum will have the Chance to frame me and dawn were scum and people mislynch town.I know I am acting like a village idiot and saying words that not useful for scumhurting.But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.
So looking to Day 2
Finding the setup which we play now by lynching dawn and night result,that is good to hear that town is on track to finding scum.Two people claimed 1-shot BP and VT.that make me suspicious of why she claim VT and Why she want everyone to know she was town.Also frosty,who have not post in a day,still make me think is him is a scum.
About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all
So,first I have to said I make a wrong choice on Day 1 by lynching dawn.This is the most silliest mistake I made.I want to explain who dawn is a town tho,but at that moment,If I explain why,scum will have the Chance to frame me and dawn were scum and people mislynch town.I know I am acting like a village idiot and saying words that not useful for scumhurting.But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.
So looking to Day 2
Finding the setup which we play now by lynching dawn and night result,that is good to hear that town is on track to finding scum.Two people claimed 1-shot BP and VT.that make me suspicious of why she claim VT and Why she want everyone to know she was town.Also frosty,who have not post in a day,still make me think is him is a scum.
About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all
My brain is melting-[Jess]- wrote:
I am here,
So,first I have to said I make a wrong choice on Day 1 by lynching dawn.This is the most silliest mistake I made.I want to explain who dawn is a town tho,but at that moment,If I explain why,scum will have the Chance to frame me and dawn were scum and people mislynch town.I know I am acting like a village idiot and saying words that not useful for scumhurting.But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.
So looking to Day 2
Finding the setup which we play now by lynching dawn and night result,that is good to hear that town is on track to finding scum.Two people claimed 1-shot BP and VT.that make me suspicious of why she claim VT and Why she want everyone to know she was town.Also frosty,who have not post in a day,still make me think is him is a scum.
About "now I see why dawn is scum"
It means nothing that he trust a people who only said and read it as town,I don't know how to said and my mind is unclear.I thought he was in L-2 so I voted to push him.
That all
please Lynch me to stop this agony
Because you very well could be scum hiding behind a scummy action and using "I'm just getting PL'd" as your shield, simple.-[Jess]- wrote:
But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.
Jess you literally summarized D2 thus far and didn't even do it properly.
Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!
Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!
That was her strategy all along, to win as everyone else lynches themselves from the exasperation of trying to figure out her posts.abraker wrote:
My brain is melting
please Lynch me to stop this agony
I feel like I've done enough thinking for tonight, I hope by
If there is a need for a policy lynch, it needs to happen now.
Vote: -[Jess]-
Vote: -[Jess]-
Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.
Unvote
Unvote
We need to hear from Frostings and beeboy before anything happens today.
Topic Starter
Votecount 2.2
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Please tell me if you see any mistakes.
After seeing how stupid Dawnsnday was, it's a possibility. Frosting also acts notoriously stupid, but his posts give me at least 3 red flags.rEdo wrote:
Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.
Unvote
Is Jesse a newbie at this game?
Technically she has enough games to not be a newbie.abraker wrote:
Is Jesse a newbie at this game?
She... always... plays.... like.... that....
Oh also
@Mod: Imma be V/LA starting tomorrow until Monday.
@Mod: Imma be V/LA starting tomorrow until Monday.
Give link to a game she was townieSakura wrote:
Technically she has enough games to not be a newbie.abraker wrote:
Is Jesse a newbie at this game?
She... always... plays.... like.... that....
actually uhhh i'll read everything by tomorrow or later today
What can you say about Jesse's vote pattern from the games she was scum? Is there any correlation despite the vote being influenced by other members of mafia?Sakura wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/t/490095
t/492163
t/350620 <- Replaced in midgame.
t/475418
t/453270
(actually I think Jesse would have no influence due to speech/inactivity constraints, but in a slim chance there is something...)
I can't exactly, but i cant just write off scummy things she does just coz she can use it as a way to hide when she's scum.
Don't excuse anything she does...
Everyone has an equal chance of reading the thread and being attentive to a game.
If she chooses not to do that, there are consequences
If she chooses not to do that, there are consequences
Mafia games should allow the vote to replace players
I guess my wall of text killed the game 
I don't know why anything needs to happen instantly, I'm still waiting on replies from other people. I'm glad jess replied, but I'm still not sure to make of her post. Ultimately the call is up to the people who have more experience playing with her; you can go off your hunches, but I'm not gonna take responsibility if we lose because it turns out she's mafia after all. I'd rather lynch her.rEdo wrote:
If there is a need for a policy lynch, it needs to happen now.
Actually, no. I have a gut feeling that Jess is town.
Also, I'd definitely like to wait till Sakura is back before we lynch anyone.
The hell is bboy.
Hika wrote:
The hell is bboy.
@mod, give beeboy a prod
That a good point btw,but am I that dumb to use the "PL'ed" shied to hiding my scummove?Sakura wrote:
Because you very well could be scum hiding behind a scummy action and using "I'm just getting PL'd" as your shield, simple.-[Jess]- wrote:
But what is the point of getting someone PLed.It is not help for town to solve the scumhurting.
Also where are frosty and beeboy
@mod I can VLA until Monday or replace out. I _may_ be able to check the thread but idk.
Hello 
I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but it seems like abraker and B1rd are suspicious of me because they think I have some secret motive or psychology with my votes and reads, but I can't even understand your explanations for my actions let alone come up with them
Hika reminds me of Irre in I think the Tree house game where he acted like he had no idea what was going on. I don't really believe her when she says the setup is confusing, and since Dawn flipped town I think she's still pretty suspicious. The VT claim doesn't help at all.. It looks like she's trying to rack up town points by claiming early, when we already know everybody who's town is VT after rEdo's claim
Jess.. uhhh in the back of my mind I had a feeling she would lynch early. I should have unvoted to get a claim at least but she hammered earlier than I expected. Her action isn't really a tell, but I would be content with a PL to save us headache later
As for the others, I'll have to read the posts again, I just had a quick skim over all the posts
I don't know if I'm reading this correctly, but it seems like abraker and B1rd are suspicious of me because they think I have some secret motive or psychology with my votes and reads, but I can't even understand your explanations for my actions let alone come up with them
Hika reminds me of Irre in I think the Tree house game where he acted like he had no idea what was going on. I don't really believe her when she says the setup is confusing, and since Dawn flipped town I think she's still pretty suspicious. The VT claim doesn't help at all.. It looks like she's trying to rack up town points by claiming early, when we already know everybody who's town is VT after rEdo's claim
Jess.. uhhh in the back of my mind I had a feeling she would lynch early. I should have unvoted to get a claim at least but she hammered earlier than I expected. Her action isn't really a tell, but I would be content with a PL to save us headache later
As for the others, I'll have to read the posts again, I just had a quick skim over all the posts
I'll say I'm pretty confident Hika knows full well what's going on and is trying to be manipulative
She'll just try to dismiss my suspicions by saying I do this every game (which... admittedly might actually be true) but nonetheless I still feel this way
She'll just try to dismiss my suspicions by saying I do this every game (which... admittedly might actually be true) but nonetheless I still feel this way
Side note: I'm amused by this post. I actually probably will fall for any sort of traps you set for meabraker wrote:
Frostings is a compulsive doo-hikey. Sporadically votes based on latest developments. Aka doesnt have an opinion. Playing mind tricks on him might suffice.
Of course we're looking for secret psychology and motives that scum would have. The reason why I've been suspecting you is that I can find very little good rationality behind your posts and actions, and so far your replies haven't done anything to allay my suspicions. You've just brushed off everything said against you with "I don't understand" + smiley face, and then tried to shift the focus by attacking Hika.
it sounds scummy to me now
and my FoS is frostings now bc of his last post.
not gonna workkkk
and my FoS is frostings now bc of his last post.
not gonna workkkk
Topic Starter
I'd rather accept your V/LA.beeboy123 wrote:
@mod I can VLA until Monday or replace out. I _may_ be able to check the thread but idk.
Votecount 2.3
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123 are V/LA until Feb 20th.
How am I not being rational about my votes and actions?
I've only voted twice so far
My first vote was on Hika during RVS, and then I removed my RVS vote to pressure Dawnsday, which I already explained. I was the first one on Dawnsday so it's not like I was pushing a wagon either which someone mentioned I think
I've only voted twice so far
My first vote was on Hika during RVS, and then I removed my RVS vote to pressure Dawnsday, which I already explained. I was the first one on Dawnsday so it's not like I was pushing a wagon either which someone mentioned I think
I then got suspicious of Hika for putting Dawnsday on L-1 really quick when we already had enough pressure on him, and mentioned Hika could be scum if Dawnsday flips Town, which he did
abraker voted Dawnsday first. And what exactly prompted you to put pressure on Dawnday? Up until then he had hardly made any notable posts. You said you voted him because he hadn't shown any initiative up till that point, but it was only 4 pages in, hardly a reason to vote someone.
And what arbitrary reasoning is saying putting someone at l-1 is scummy? I've already said, but Dawn was scummy near the end, not at the start. It's not like anybody could know jess would hammer.
And what arbitrary reasoning is saying putting someone at l-1 is scummy? I've already said, but Dawn was scummy near the end, not at the start. It's not like anybody could know jess would hammer.
And no, Frosting, reaction testing is not a valid answer to B1rd's question. Even if it's reasonable to reaction test that early, you voted as soon as players started suspecting Dawn. Now, had you not committed other actions which look like a scum taking advantage of a coincidental situation(s), I would have had my eyes more on Jesse. If you can't understand my posts then it's your loss. I scum read you now and what better way to talk to others without scum understanding what's written.
If Frosting turns town then this is possibly the dumbest mafia game I played up to this point
... You guys are actually making stuff up
Sorry, Dawnsday had an RVS vote on him when I voted. That's totally as soon as people were getting suspicious
If my incentive was to park my vote on a wagon, why would move my vote from Hika who already had more votes and more reason to have my vote on?
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)
Sorry, Dawnsday had an RVS vote on him when I voted. That's totally as soon as people were getting suspicious
If my incentive was to park my vote on a wagon, why would move my vote from Hika who already had more votes and more reason to have my vote on?
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)
My vote on Dawnsday wasn't 4 pages in either
He's also had more than enough posts for me to call him out on his mostly commentary play style
He's also had more than enough posts for me to call him out on his mostly commentary play style
What's the reason for this post? Seems purely AtE to meabraker wrote:
If Frosting turns town then this is possibly the dumbest mafia game I played up to this point
This doesn't even work here.Frostings wrote:
I then got suspicious of Hika for putting Dawnsday on L-1 really quick when we already had enough pressure on him, and mentioned Hika could be scum if Dawnsday flips Town, which he did
Literally everyone else was pushing him harder than me.
I didn't know he was town, he was the scummiest person playing at the moment, and he was even playing anti town!
Why do you keep looking at me when Jess has given more bs reasons + the fact that you can't believe I don't understand a Matrix 6 setup. I've read it completely wrong the first time and was willing to admit I had made a mistake.
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town. These are MY reads. If you don't agree, then okay! I can vote you anyway because you literally said "Hika is scum because she voted Dawn D1". If you ask me, your baseless posts got him lynched.
Everyone else has an equal chance to get a vote from you because we all voted for him, except Jess who QH''d with intent to hammer 10-20 hours previously. She didn't explain her read, she didn't let us know an hour prior to doing so.
I'm fine with a lynch of you or her today.
I'm fine with a lynch of you or her today.
ExplainHika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
I already explained it. I believe his claim, there is already no way he would claim it out of the blue.
And I thought my VT a wasn't a fill role (didn't realize he filled roles) and I tried to CC that. But I'm stupid.
Everyone's gonna claim they're town. I know I'm town. I'm just a plain old VT.
And I thought my VT a wasn't a fill role (didn't realize he filled roles) and I tried to CC that. But I'm stupid.
Everyone's gonna claim they're town. I know I'm town. I'm just a plain old VT.
So really at the end of the day, either he is creating WIFOM , by thinking he got hit and claiming that, OR
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
Sorry, Dawnsday had an RVS vote on him when I voted. That's totally as soon as people were getting suspiciousWhat is RVS?
If my incentive was to park my vote on a wagon, why would move my vote from Hika who already had more votes and more reason to have my vote on?Maybe Hika is mafia as well? Idk, whatever Hika is, it will be worth looking into once the red flags from your pasts stop blinding my eyes.
*pasts -> posts
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
Frostings wrote:
I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him
You are not.Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
Like I said - going by your logic, literally everyone could counterclaim me as VT. So hey, doesn't that make all 7 people (living except for me) conftown? Yay!
You're making things overcomplicated.Hika wrote:
So really at the end of the day, either he is creating WIFOM , by thinking he got hit and claiming that, OR
he could be really town as one shot BP but wasn't targeted due to scum's in activity, OR
his one shot was used up and he just really wanted us to know.
@mod: Two key players are on V/LA, I suggest prelonging this day to Feb 25th.
Topic Starter
rEdo wrote:
@mod: Two key players are on V/LA, I suggest prelonging this day to Feb 25th.
I considered it. Will ask for their opinion once they are back, no problems on my side.
Votecount 2.4
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
-[Jess]- [2] - Sakura, B1rd
Frostings [1] - abraker
rEdo [0] -
Hika [0] -
Sakura [0] -
abraker [0] -
B1rd [0] -
beeboy123 [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [5] - -[Jess]-, Frostings , rEdo, beeboy123, Hika
With 8 alive, it's 5 to lynch.
Day 2 ends on Feb 23th, 22:00 UTC.
Sakura and beeboy123 are V/LA until Feb 20th.
Vote me then if you don't think I'm town? lol.rEdo wrote:
You are not.Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town.
I stated my reads, you don't have to agree with them if you don't want to.
But I'm not voting you at all.
But I'm not voting you at all.
Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)
I didn't say you're not town, I just stated that you're not a confirmed one.
Nice threats, though. I like them.
Nice threats, though. I like them.
No problem. I like to stand my ground on things so you all know for sure what I think.
Unlike some people here
Unlike some people here
By saying 'I like them' I meant that you've earned yourself some discredit. OMGUS votes aren't seen as a thing townies would do.
He was responding to one of my posts.abraker wrote:
Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Random_Voteabraker wrote:
What is RVS?
There's a whole wiki for mafiascum, there really isn't any good reasons for people not to be aware of basic game mechanics at this point.
Did you mean pasta? hmm seems we have an Italian Mafiaso on you hands here. Oh yes I saw your scumslip, I'm on to you mate.abraker wrote:
*pasts -> posts
...
About frosty, I feel like he's been playing a bit weak but I wouldn't say he's definitely scum, mainly because if Sakura's meta analysis is correct (p/5812335/) then this is somewhat normal play for him. I'd be on board with bandwagoning him but he wouldn't be my first choice at the moment.
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
I didn't vote you just now so really what you're saying is irrelevant. I even told people not to vote you. Doesn't matter though. \:D/rEdo wrote:
By saying 'I like them' I meant that you've earned yourself some discredit. OMGUS votes aren't seen as a thing townies would do.
Still not voting you. You're just rxn testing me thus far and even if you say you're not, you clearly are.
Also, safe lynches would be frosty or Jess, I'll just state that again so you all know my opinion.
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?B1rd wrote:
Did you mean pasta? hmm seems we have an Italian Mafiaso on you hands here. Oh yes I saw your scumslip, I'm on to you mate.
Ah so you admit your guilt. Was getting caught part of your plan?abraker wrote:
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?
So... Hika thought there was only one VT in the game? Even after Tracker got flipped?
... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum
... It's actually a pretty convincing townslip, how can you even make this up as scum
I was under the impression beeboy was being town read by manyB1rd wrote:
I'm wondering why beeboy suddenly VL/A'd right after Sakura in exactly the same way, it could just be a coincidence but it could also him buying himself time to think of way to get out of the heat he's in.
Where did this come from?
Shit you have me. I stole your sushi pizza while you were bashing at Frosting. I can buy you another one if you want.B1rd wrote:
Ah so you admit your guilt. Was getting caught part of your plan?abraker wrote:
If I eat sushi pizza, does that make me an Italian yakuza scum?
I voted Dawnsday because of his playstyle, but I didn't mention my reason because I didn't want him to just say "oh woops new player I'll play better", and wanted to get an actual reaction out of himabraker wrote:
You mention Dawnsday had had no notable points WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I voted him (which I mentioned three times now)Suppose I grant you that, but explain the post you threw out addressing nobody out of the blue.
Frostings wrote:
I voted Dawnsday because his posts up to my vote on him were all commentary with little analysis and initiative to find scum
also he keep using the "new to the game" card but I don't believe him
People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had
I must have missed something. Who was questioning you?Frostings wrote:
People were questioning my vote and so I explained it after people already had votes on him for similar reasons that I had
It's not my responsibility to read the thread for you. Everyone should do that themselves.Frostings wrote:
I was under the impression beeboy was being town read by many
Where did this come from?
^ sometimes it helps to quote if someone has missed something that you've said, otherwise if you didn't say it then you don't have to worry of it
Anyways I still am sure I didn't say bboy was town
Anyways I still am sure I didn't say bboy was town
It was one of my main points in my post p/5822470, sometimes you can miss small thing, but you can't of missed that. It just shows that frosty didn't bother to read it properly.
Considering I have townreads on quite a few people already, that just intensifies my focus on any scummy behaviour on the remaining people. Like, I may make mistakes sometimes, but I'd be extremely surprised if none of my scumreads were scum.
Firstly, I think beeboy is suspicious. The first reason maybe isn't objective but it's been a personal tell of mine that have achieved results in the past: everyone usually jokes at the start, but when someone continues a jokes past its worth, or continues to act not serious, that is an indicator that that person is scum. And that's what he did with the whole 'I'm mason' thing. The other reason is that he pretty much was a fence sitter the whole first day, and the second day he hasn't done much except jump on bandwagons of already suspicious people. This seems like typical scummy behaviour.So to recap my point about beeboy, he hasn't really done much, I mean he's asked a few questions but his posts just seem superficial without any serious conviction for finding scum. Read his ISO and you will see what I mean. He hasn't gotten his hands dirty and he's pretty much stayed in the sidelines.
So about this day 1 bandwagon analysis, it would seem typical if there was one scum on it, and one scum off of it, since IMO beeboy was a fence sitter for no good reason, and frosting inserted himself for no good reason, I think that the scum team is most likely beeboy + frosting
Considering I have townreads on quite a few people already, that just intensifies my focus on any scummy behaviour on the remaining people. Like, I may make mistakes sometimes, but I'd be extremely surprised if none of my scumreads were scum.
Also, idk maybe a few people have townread beeboy, ok looks like it's case closed then
somebody say something
Sakura I waited. You never said anything. Why?
No ones saying anything because we are clearly waiting for bboy n Sakura.
Oh thanks for saying that. I neglected to read the last two pages and thought everyone decided they'd rather be a lurker.
Not in a mood to read anything today. Prod dodge. Waiting for tomorrow.
Forget to answer this
also sorry for make everyone get headache
It just my thought about your actionHika wrote:
Jess you literally summarized D2 thus far and didn't even do it properly.
Why wouldnt I want people to think I'm town?!!!!
Isn't that the point of mafia? For us to find the scum and to prove everyone's innocence?!
also sorry for make everyone get headache
Im still on Limited Activity but i found some time so i decided to put a post out, however it ended up being a Wallpost/Case kinda thing.
So i'm currently reading through everything that's going on and the back and forth between Frosty and Hika, Hika pretending to be confused sounds very legit, but then I ask this question, is there any possible proof that she's doing this? Idk where Frosty got that this could be a townslip from Hika, so we need to re-examine the turn of events that led to that confusion.
First of All:
Back in D1 Hika claimed VT unprompted, this has always been one of the most wtf momments that i've been wondering up until my post about the setup on D2, why does she care so much about claiming being VT if she's town that leaves scum with less night targets when PR Hunting, or they could be WIFOM'd by her claim.
Then with the post that caused actual confusion:
What's important here is that there is no VT on either of those 2, It's something that's been boggling my mind, why would Hika think a VT would counter anything in there. Which is another reason why i thought she was claiming something else other than VT, the only place you see VT is on 1 or B.
Next in the mod's setup post:
In addition, let's look back at one of Hika's posts during D1 when the thing about Masons with bee was going on:
p/5811147
Another thing bothering me about Hika is that back in D1 she said:
Not to mention she said:
I think rn the team is Hika/Jess
Now something about bee is that he likes to joke around a lot, plus i've never seen him use his mason fake claim as scum, however i've also never seen him do it in an Open game.
So i'm currently reading through everything that's going on and the back and forth between Frosty and Hika, Hika pretending to be confused sounds very legit, but then I ask this question, is there any possible proof that she's doing this? Idk where Frosty got that this could be a townslip from Hika, so we need to re-examine the turn of events that led to that confusion.
First of All:
Back in D1 Hika claimed VT unprompted, this has always been one of the most wtf momments that i've been wondering up until my post about the setup on D2, why does she care so much about claiming being VT if she's town that leaves scum with less night targets when PR Hunting, or they could be WIFOM'd by her claim.
Then with the post that caused actual confusion:
Was there any doubt those were the 2 possible setups? i even colored them and everything with the tracker flip.Sakura wrote:
Only possible setups atm are 3 and C, if rEdo's telling the truth then we're on C, Hika that claim came out of nowhere.
What's important here is that there is no VT on either of those 2, It's something that's been boggling my mind, why would Hika think a VT would counter anything in there. Which is another reason why i thought she was claiming something else other than VT, the only place you see VT is on 1 or B.
Next in the mod's setup post:
Regardless, the only vanilla role that appears on these 2 in the table itself is Mafia Goon.Zexion wrote:
After signups and before the game starts, I will choose randomly one of {A,B,C,1,2,3} and that will select which roles will appear, and after that it will be filled with Vanilla Townies and a Mafia Goon until we have a 7 town, 2 scum setup. The assignation of roles will be totallly randomized as well. (Meaning, I don't get to choose anything by myself).
In addition, let's look back at one of Hika's posts during D1 when the thing about Masons with bee was going on:
p/5811147
This implies she knows what a matrix 6 setup means and the fact that Masons arent in it. Then this happens: p/5812168Hika wrote:
Oh my fucking lord I'm stupid this is a matrix 6 setup wtf.
Another thing bothering me about Hika is that back in D1 she said:
And from there she only got a suppsed very high scumread on Dawn that she didt push too hard (As she says) and a conf town read on rEdo after everyone else was conf towning him for his claim: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
anyways, why would i sit here and not say anything @sakura. i'm clearly going to express my reads when i do see something out of the ordinary, and i do think the fact that you think I'm literally going to 'wait for a slip' is totally weird
Not to mention she said:
And that read seems to have vanished into thin air ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ while soft defending Jess from abraker back in:Hika wrote:
Sakura you're my townread.
because you voted Jess.
Now here's some questions for Hika:Hika wrote:
Jess isn't scum though. She just plays like that all the time @abraker
So?, Scum are more likely to not push hard a wagon when the town is doing that job for them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
This doesn't even work here.
Literally everyone else was pushing him harder than me.
And you didnt push the "scummiest person playing at the momment and being even anti town" hard? i mean Jess is also the scummiest hammer ever and also even playing anti town and you're doing nothing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯Hika wrote:
I didn't know he was town, he was the scummiest person playing at the moment, and he was even playing anti town!
Why me > Fry me, You're deflecting, and since your supposed defense is that Jess has given more bs reasons why arent YOU looking at her.Hika wrote:
Why do you keep looking at me when Jess has given more bs reasons
So we're midway through D2 and you only got a grand total of 1 town read? and it's even the safest town read?Hika wrote:
No matter what you say, me and rEdo are confirmed town. These are MY reads.
what's with the sudden OMGUS threat? Am I also going to suddenly turn to scummy for you as well? :^)Hika wrote:
Keep pushing me as not town and I might have to vote you because you'll just suddenly turn to scummy for me :^)
I think rn the team is Hika/Jess
Now something about bee is that he likes to joke around a lot, plus i've never seen him use his mason fake claim as scum, however i've also never seen him do it in an Open game.
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I'll be doing a votecount and deliver prods in a few hours. Sorry for the inconveniences.
I didn't say I had only two reads? I said I was also reading bird town.
And where did I say you were scummy anywhere??? @sakura
And where did I say you were scummy anywhere??? @sakura
also vote me if you think I'm scum then?
You're looking too hard into my posts. Jess isn't cleared, I just can't give her a scumread if she doesn't post anything important because I can point fingers at you guys, who are already saying things and speaking up.
Also my :^) face is clearly a joke. Why the hell would I vote my town read for thinking I'm not town. If they think I'm not town, cool, they think I'm not town and I know my role. And if somehow I end up getting voted, I know who pushes me the hardest and I'd hope my town reads would figure out who scum is.
You're looking too hard into my posts. Jess isn't cleared, I just can't give her a scumread if she doesn't post anything important because I can point fingers at you guys, who are already saying things and speaking up.
Also my :^) face is clearly a joke. Why the hell would I vote my town read for thinking I'm not town. If they think I'm not town, cool, they think I'm not town and I know my role. And if somehow I end up getting voted, I know who pushes me the hardest and I'd hope my town reads would figure out who scum is.
Also I finally understand a Matrix 6 setup thanks to you!!!
And if you don't believe I was genuinely being stupid then thanks! I take it as a compliment. I thought he filled our roles based off of the chart, obviously but in a different way until your explanation in stupid people terms helped me figure out I can't counter claim anything even though Dawn flipped. Scum wouldn't be smart to fake claim or CC a confirmed town because it would bring them too much attention. I however, am not scum so it didn't even bother me at the slightest. I made a small mistake I reading the setup.
Also, I'm looking through rEdo's reads to see who he's scum reading instead of pointing fingers and thinking hard on a stupid CC.
And if you don't believe I was genuinely being stupid then thanks! I take it as a compliment. I thought he filled our roles based off of the chart, obviously but in a different way until your explanation in stupid people terms helped me figure out I can't counter claim anything even though Dawn flipped. Scum wouldn't be smart to fake claim or CC a confirmed town because it would bring them too much attention. I however, am not scum so it didn't even bother me at the slightest. I made a small mistake I reading the setup.
Also, I'm looking through rEdo's reads to see who he's scum reading instead of pointing fingers and thinking hard on a stupid CC.
Also heads up, I'll have a list of reads when I get more posts from bboy.
Ooh look, did anyone notice how Jess has two pages of ISO to read?
Love it.
Love it.
I would love to call attention to Hika getting focused only on my thinking she was faking confusion about the setup, and proceeding to ignore all the other points and my questions.
I will concede however that i may have misinterpreted her calling her and rEdo conftown as a full reads list, but still she doesnt mention reads anywhere so that's her own fault for me misinterpreting it.
Anyway that's all from me today, i'll be back in full tomorrow.
I will concede however that i may have misinterpreted her calling her and rEdo conftown as a full reads list, but still she doesnt mention reads anywhere so that's her own fault for me misinterpreting it.
Anyway that's all from me today, i'll be back in full tomorrow.
Totally answered your questions. If you don't like it, sorry... I don't give answers to please you or anyone else, I give answers to rationalize my thinking in the current moment.