Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.
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but if you're scum you already know who's town so you can still call her town tomorrow and when you're lynched eventually we'll all be kicking ourselves over what to think about your claims.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I'm assuming his point is: I'm heavily scumreading Sakura.Zexion wrote:
Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.
If I target her, I either scan my biggest scumread as innocent, which basically proves her town, or I scan her as scum, where she gets lynched, and if she flipped town, it would be obvious I was lying.
Ofc, neither of these would clear me entirely, but both are pretty good for town in terms of clearing/revealing sakura.
are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?
Yes, it is an issue because if he kills the right people, he may convince other people that he's not scum and get away with everything. Basically another stupid opportunity for him to have an advantage.Sakura wrote:
Nah false information isnt an issue because as soon as a cop flips scum any clears become pure WIFOM and shouldn't be trusted
I'm more worried about what kind of scum PR he has to be wanting to buy time.
I am not indulging such an anti town post with a replybeeboy123 wrote:
Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.
MB
No, they're not. It's stupid and against all logic to keep MB alive without any solid proof that he's Town. I don't mind losing a role if it saves us a shitton of complications in the entire game.Ace Timing wrote:
are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?
fuck I keep doing this
Vote: MB
Vote: MB
I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.
The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.fartownik wrote:
I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.
You can vote up to L-1, but I'm going to unvote at that point if I feel like not enough time has passed for every player to have a chance to counterclaim.
Well, okay then, that works too. A counterclaim should happen if there are serious objections about MB's lynch though.Sakura wrote:
The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.fartownik wrote:
I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.
._. I have serious objections about his lynch on day 1.
Like just counter claim him tomorrow if you are a cop and we can all just move on.
Like, there's 3 possibilities
1. I'm a VT pushing what i strongly believe to be a scum lynch, then they flip scum and scum NKs me thinking i pushed with inside information of knowing he's not cop.
2. I'm a Cop pushing because I know he's not a Cop.
3. I'm actually wrong about MB.
Magic Bomb hasn't townposted and has scumslipped, there's hardly any reason for me to unvote just because of a claim. It's a closed setup, scum gets lots of leeway with fake claims.
1. I'm a VT pushing what i strongly believe to be a scum lynch, then they flip scum and scum NKs me thinking i pushed with inside information of knowing he's not cop.
2. I'm a Cop pushing because I know he's not a Cop.
3. I'm actually wrong about MB.
Magic Bomb hasn't townposted and has scumslipped, there's hardly any reason for me to unvote just because of a claim. It's a closed setup, scum gets lots of leeway with fake claims.
If no one can counter claim him tomorrow he is telling the truth.
Don't get me wrong I think Mbomb is scum I just want to play around the idea that I could in fact be wrong.
Don't get me wrong I think Mbomb is scum I just want to play around the idea that I could in fact be wrong.
did you even read what I wrotebeeboy123 wrote:
I want him to be lynched on another day.
Yesfartownik wrote:
did you even read what I wrotebeeboy123 wrote:
I want him to be lynched on another day.
I don't think you're wrong because I feel exactly the same about it.Sakura wrote:
3. I'm actually wrong about MB.
Why would a stupid claim like that get him a chance to live another day?beeboy123 wrote:
Yes
I mean if he were actually something like a 2-shot bus driver that would fucking suck more than a 2-shot cop would be awesome. Even if he survived just one night, 1 clear is not worth 1 bus drive or 1 rolestop/roleblock. Everyone's shit would have been fucked up because we thought it would be worth one conf town. I'm also like 70% sure even if he doesn't get lynched today, he'll be vigged tonight.beeboy123 wrote:
._. I have serious objections about his lynch on day 1.
I mean it's like scum textbook 101 Page 10 Paragraph 28 Line 3.
Scum always fake claims Doc or Cop to get an extra day because town is too worried about losing a PR.
Scum always fake claims Doc or Cop to get an extra day because town is too worried about losing a PR.
The question is more:
"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"
"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"
Too bad we're actually not stupid Town to let that through. At least I hope the majority isn't.Sakura wrote:
I mean it's like scum textbook 101 Page 10 Paragraph 28 Line 3.
Scum always fake claims Doc or Cop to get an extra day because town is too worried about losing a PR.
No there's not and he was about to be lynched before claiming Cop. Nothing has changed.Sakura wrote:
The question is more:
"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"
Or rather, something has changed, but in the opposite direction. His claim made me even more sure about his lynch.
People are too worried about being unable to find Scum without the help of PRs, hence why scum claiming PRs is what scum does.
Wost Case scenario they get counter claimed but find a PR, Best case scenario they skate by on their claim, while continuing to do nothing towny.
Wost Case scenario they get counter claimed but find a PR, Best case scenario they skate by on their claim, while continuing to do nothing towny.
Maybe i should host mountainous setups more often.
MBomb
Honestly, if someone claims normal cop, I'd still refuse to believe it, having both a cop and a 2-shot cop would be too op.
However, I'm just gonna say, my actual text explaining why I'm a cop points more to being a tracker in my eyes, but... idk I got given cop. I also don't know how the flavour I was given suggests I'm 2-shot, honestly. I'm gonna assume I'm not allowed to quote exactly what the flavour is though, I remember someone getting modkilled for that in hoenn.
However, I'm just gonna say, my actual text explaining why I'm a cop points more to being a tracker in my eyes, but... idk I got given cop. I also don't know how the flavour I was given suggests I'm 2-shot, honestly. I'm gonna assume I'm not allowed to quote exactly what the flavour is though, I remember someone getting modkilled for that in hoenn.
What happened to your supposed scumread on me from early game, i dont think you ever mentioned that.
@TsukasaSakura wrote:
What happened to your supposed scumread on me from early game, i dont think you ever mentioned that.
I personally have a town read on MB completely irrelevant from his PR claim
I think I played with MB twice when he was scum (also one time he was SK), and all those times he played very passively, and I feel he tends to care more when he plays as town, as represented in his appeal
If it happens he would be the best lynch today to clear wifom then so be it, but I'll be defending mb for today
I think I played with MB twice when he was scum (also one time he was SK), and all those times he played very passively, and I feel he tends to care more when he plays as town, as represented in his appeal
If it happens he would be the best lynch today to clear wifom then so be it, but I'll be defending mb for today
Also I feel like fakeclaiming Cop to bait a CC is kind of a bad strategy, especially in Day 1
Ok this is all kinds of wrong.Frostings wrote:
Also I feel like fakeclaiming Cop to bait a CC is kind of a bad strategy, especially in Day 1
...he has not played Undertale?Sakura wrote:
The question is more:
"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"
I mean there are a lot of reason to lynch him but that one is still making me doubt, if he didn't actually know flowey was "evil"...
If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.
MBomb
I've played 2 hours of it, I've already stated that, so if this is really the reason you're not voting me that's pretty stupid.Zexion wrote:
...he has not played Undertale?Sakura wrote:
The question is more:
"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"
I mean there are a lot of reason to lynch him but that one is still making me doubt, if he didn't actually know flowey was "evil"...
You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.beeboy123 wrote:
If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.
I must have missed that, but it's kinda important considering the whole thing started for you being neutral to the flavor claim.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I've played 2 hours of it, I've already stated that, so if this is really the reason you're not voting me that's pretty stupid.
Yeah, but remember he ALSO said that to where he has played Flowey is an evil character, while being neutral to the flavor breaking strategy.
MBomb
I was neutral to the flavour claim because I didn't mind claiming flavour, even though my flavour itself was proof the game couldn't be broken by it.
Now that I've claimed, I can basically say why.
My character is not very indicitive of my role at all, which I know, the way my flavour actually describes my role is very vague (and again, makes it sound like I'm a tracker, not a cop), so there is no real issue with claiming for me, and in fact there are a few possible good points, such as scum shooting someone they think will have a certain role that doesn't. However, I wasn't entirely for it, because this could have just been my role, not other people's.
Now that I've claimed, I can basically say why.
My character is not very indicitive of my role at all, which I know, the way my flavour actually describes my role is very vague (and again, makes it sound like I'm a tracker, not a cop), so there is no real issue with claiming for me, and in fact there are a few possible good points, such as scum shooting someone they think will have a certain role that doesn't. However, I wasn't entirely for it, because this could have just been my role, not other people's.
On other news this post is all kinds of bad.Zexion wrote:
You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.beeboy123 wrote:
If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.
I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^Zexion wrote:
You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.beeboy123 wrote:
If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.
Lynching Mbomb today over tomorrow is just horrible play and if Sakura does acknowledge that in her next post I am voting her.
doesn't*Huh? I thought MB claiming cop is WIFOM , which is why beeboy is hesitant to lynch him. Or did you meant something else?Sakura wrote:
On other news this post is all kinds of bad.
Problem is that in-between now and the "future" lynch we might change our opinions and go the wrong way.beeboy123 wrote:
I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^
Oh, i misunderstood then.
beeboy come at me, im not buying MB's claim so im not unvoting
beeboy come at me, im not buying MB's claim so im not unvoting
Agreed. If mb is town, we can possibly direct the NK onto him if scum decide Cop is more important, which is way better than lynching him todaybeeboy123 wrote:
I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^
But that won't happen to me o3oZexion wrote:
Problem is that in-between now and the "future" lynch we might change our opinions and go the wrong way.beeboy123 wrote:
I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^
You're thinking too much about the good outcome and to little at the bad one.
I still don't believe MB and beeboy is being a shitton of silly here.
I'm pretty sure after I die along with Sakura there will be no one to save this game from MB's potentially fucking this game up with his PR/fake Cop claim if he's scum and it will be gone. You may say "ok, we will lynch him tomorrow, no worries
)" but you have absolutely no idea what can happen tomorrow, who can die, who can claim what and what roles can be in motion during the day/night, you can not plan a lynch ahead, it's ridiculously stupid and only complicates the game.
I'm pretty sure after I die along with Sakura there will be no one to save this game from MB's potentially fucking this game up with his PR/fake Cop claim if he's scum and it will be gone. You may say "ok, we will lynch him tomorrow, no worries
)" but you have absolutely no idea what can happen tomorrow, who can die, who can claim what and what roles can be in motion during the day/night, you can not plan a lynch ahead, it's ridiculously stupid and only complicates the game.Seriously, voting Sakura gives me actualy scumvibes coming from you. What's your reason? I understand that MBomb's reason is because he's Mafia / OMGUS but you have literally not stated a proper reason as of yet.
You only said "lynching MB today over tomorrow is horrible" without explaining why.
Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.
So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.
Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.
So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.
Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.
????????????????fartownik wrote:
I'm pretty sure after I die along with Sakura
MBomb
If we're gonna be lynching Sakura (Which I'm entirely for, by the way) should we decide who I should target (preferably don't give me 1 person, multiple choice is better to avoid WIFOM being caused if I get NKed), or should I just target who I want? I'd prefer to just target who I want but if you guys would prefer a group decision, that's fine too.
why the fuck would we lynch Sakurabeeboy123 wrote:
Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.
So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.
Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.
How many Mafia games have you played in your life, beeboy
we're not lynching Sakura today
we're not lynching MB today
we're not lynching MB today
Adding the fact that you didn't even answer my question from top of the page @beeboy
The majority will decide that, not you.Frostings wrote:
we're not lynching Sakura today
we're not lynching MB today
Does anyone even have a solid townread on Frostings for him to boss around like this?
Only sakurafartownik wrote:
Does anyone even have a solid townread on Frostings for him to boss around like this?
Which doesn't really say much
Vote sakura, surebeeboy123 wrote:
Tsukasa go vote Sakura with me
Vote sakura with you? Nope
unvoteTsukasa wrote:
Vote sakura, surebeeboy123 wrote:
Tsukasa go vote Sakura with me
Vote sakura with you? Nope
How about you vote Sakura first so I am voting Sakura with you ^_^
Do you realize
That there's actually a mafia common role that's more harmful than a bus driver... it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.
That there's actually a mafia common role that's more harmful than a bus driver... it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.
Scum are starting a counterwagon. That's what.Zexion wrote:
What the hell is going on
But he claimed just 2-shot cop, right?Sakura wrote:
it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.
Not role cop
Of course he did, do you expect scum to say the truth?Tsukasa wrote:
But he claimed just 2-shot cop, right?Sakura wrote:
it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.
Not role cop
I love how you're not considering me flipping town.beeboy123 wrote:
Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.
So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.
Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.
I feel like there's very few people actually thinking while playing this game
Of course that's happening.Sakura wrote:
Scum are starting a counterwagon. That's what.Zexion wrote:
What the hell is going on
It's just like how it's happening.
There's literally no reason.
Unvote
I want to see a votecount before acting.
holy shit my sidesTsukasa wrote:
But he claimed just 2-shot cop, right?Sakura wrote:
it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.
Not role cop
xD
Why is lynching scum always like pulling teeth.
MB todaybeeboy123 wrote:
Sakura today.
MB tomorrow.
EZPZ
you during the night
easier peasier
MBomb
So many posts, so little reading. I am at page 32
Vote tsukasa u boring people
oh yes, grab onto that post like I just scumslipped- Magic Bomb - wrote:
ERMfartownik wrote:
you during the night
easier peasier
because you have nothing else to say
MBomb
I was just aping that silly post of beeboy, I thought it's clear enough.
people can ask for vigs without being vig come on people.
btw does that townread on me from you comes from the fact that I correctly guessed your alignment- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I'm not accusing of you of scumslipping, in fact you're one of my main townreads right now.
I'm just very confused by that post.
because you haven't done any opposing when I pushed your lynch for the entirety of the day, and if you think I'm wrong you should be
if you sincerely read me as Town and you're Town you would've been more persistent about actually convincing me you're not scum
MB's mind:
The person that identified the scumslip = scum
The person that sheeped the reasoning = town.
Makes sense for a townie right guys?
The person that identified the scumslip = scum
The person that sheeped the reasoning = town.
Makes sense for a townie right guys?
MBomb
Nah, the person who twisted a post in a way it could be taken as scum = scumSakura wrote:
MB's mind:
The person that identified the scumslip = scum
The person that sheeped the reasoning = town.
Makes sense for a townie right guys?
the person who was stupid enough to believe them = town, but not a particularly helpful one
So since you're twisting my words, you're scum.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Nah, the person who twisted a post in a way it could be taken as scum = scumSakura wrote:
MB's mind:
The person that identified the scumslip = scum
The person that sheeped the reasoning = town.
Makes sense for a townie right guys?
the person who was stupid enough to believe them = town, but not a particularly helpful one
K then, keep claiming scum.
Don't you dare vig me.fartownik wrote:
MB todaybeeboy123 wrote:
Sakura today.
MB tomorrow.
EZPZ
you during the night
easier peasier