Frostings wrote:

I can't believe you don't believe his claim Sakura
Unless there's a counterclaim MB is basically confirmed town

Yeah no, use your head.

what a twist

Ok, I have an idea

We give MB one night of action.
@MB, if you're really a Cop, I want you to target Sakura tonight
Sound cool?

I was planning on it. I probably will, but for the sake of scum possibly killing me to try and frame sakura on the rare chance she isn't scum, I'm not gonna 100% confirm I will. But it's most likely I will, yeah.

And Sakura, if you really don't believe me, lynch me on day 3, like I've said.

alright now everyone vote Ace

Yeah ok let's continue wagoning people until all PRs are outed because we're gonna trust each and every one of them, right?

Sakura I shouldn't need to explain to you why lynching a claimed cop day 1 is a bad idea.

*holds in urge to lynch Sakura*

unvote

Eh I still want him lynched before the end of the game tho.

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

fartownik wrote:

Yes, it would be indeed! And you're drunk, so you're more than capable of thinking less right now.

Damn Farto, how did you discover my super secret wagon vote strategy?!

No seriously, I'm kinda confused since some post ago you told Frostings he was just -pretending- to be active:

fartownik wrote:

Frostings wrote:

some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

1. Ask for a prod then!
2. Vote them then!

You do neither! Why you write such an empty statement? They're not gonna read it anyway. The only ones that read your statement is us, and you want to look like a productive member of society that pushes the game forward, my friend.

Then I'm making a scum vote because I'm doing exactly that?

Sakura wrote:

metal sonic1 wrote:

So this hinges on whether MB has played undertale

Look at what he's saying... he's saying that to the point he's played his character is evil.
Scumslip still stands.

This point is kinda delicate. MB did claim his character was evil but only after you guys mentioned it, and yes I went through the ISO. It's just the accusation hinges on something that we can't exactly prove.

Frostings wrote:

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

Zexion wrote:

Frostings wrote:

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

I'm assuming his point is: I'm heavily scumreading Sakura.
If I target her, I either scan my biggest scumread as innocent, which basically proves her town, or I scan her as scum, where she gets lynched, and if she flipped town, it would be obvious I was lying.
Ofc, neither of these would clear me entirely, but both are pretty good for town in terms of clearing/revealing sakura.

And who aside from you and Frosty is scumreading me?
Do you think im so heavily scumread that i need to become conf town to not be lynched?

I'm not unvoting MB just because he claimed to be a Cop, and even more conveniently a 2-shot Cop. If he were to claim a regular Cop we wouldn't have a point of reference for when we lynch him (supposedly D3) and we would probably sacrifice him today or even tomorrow for his sole scumness. By claiming 2-shot Cop he gave himself a trap door to escape a lynch for incoming two days, because it's not as bad as asking for not lynching him for the entirety of the game if he was a regular Cop. In short, it's more believable and he could convince us to spare him for one/two more days easier that way. It's basically the only thing that he has left, his last resort. He wants us to give him another day or two to redeem himself and play a good Town, that's what every (even half-intelligent) mafia player would do at this point. Also one more thing for why claiming 2-Shot Cop is more convenient than claiming a regular Cop: there could be another (real) Cop in the game and he counterclaims. If he counterclaims now the claimed roles differ and he can at least get out of it in a way, although I wouldn't believe it. Also the fact that he was waiting so long with the claim bothers me. Feels like he was waiting for a partner to come online and discuss possibilities.

Also tbh, I don't see why a character like Flowey would get a role such as 2-Shot Cop. I feel like, if he were to be Town, he'd be more of a killing/hurting role.

Please, make the MB lynch happen today. Don't mess this game up by letting a scummy player live just because he claimed something that can't be proven anyhow.

Btw, if there's a regular Cop in the game: claim now. We may lose that role, but we will most likely catch scum this way.

Also the fact that Frostings instantly unvoted MB and started townreading him is a fucking 1000km scumtell. We can end this game in 3 days if we lynch people in this order: D1: MB, D2: Aomi, D3: Frostings

See the thing is he may be buying 2 days to do "whatever scummy things his whichever scum PR does", Then after 2 days he flips scum and any clears he has become pure WIFOM, meanwhile he already did damage with his PR.

Exactly. That's why we can't let that live. Not only he could do damage with his role if he's Mafia, but he could screw things up by giving us false information of false scans as a Cop. This is nowhere safe and I'm not going to let this game go that direction.

Nah false information isnt an issue because as soon as a cop flips scum any clears become pure WIFOM and shouldn't be trusted

I'm more worried about what kind of scum PR he has to be wanting to buy time.

Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

I'm assuming his point is: I'm heavily scumreading Sakura.
If I target her, I either scan my biggest scumread as innocent, which basically proves her town, or I scan her as scum, where she gets lynched, and if she flipped town, it would be obvious I was lying.
Ofc, neither of these would clear me entirely, but both are pretty good for town in terms of clearing/revealing sakura.

but if you're scum you already know who's town so you can still call her town tomorrow and when you're lynched eventually we'll all be kicking ourselves over what to think about your claims.

are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?

Sakura wrote:

Nah false information isnt an issue because as soon as a cop flips scum any clears become pure WIFOM and shouldn't be trusted

I'm more worried about what kind of scum PR he has to be wanting to buy time.

Yes, it is an issue because if he kills the right people, he may convince other people that he's not scum and get away with everything. Basically another stupid opportunity for him to have an advantage.

beeboy123 wrote:

Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.

I am not indulging such an anti town post with a reply

Ace Timing wrote:

are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?

No, they're not. It's stupid and against all logic to keep MB alive without any solid proof that he's Town. I don't mind losing a role if it saves us a shitton of complications in the entire game.

fuck I keep doing this

Vote: MB

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

fartownik wrote:

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.

You can vote up to L-1, but I'm going to unvote at that point if I feel like not enough time has passed for every player to have a chance to counterclaim.

Sakura wrote:

fartownik wrote:

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.

Well, okay then, that works too. A counterclaim should happen if there are serious objections about MB's lynch though.

._. I have serious objections about his lynch on day 1.

I want him to be lynched on another day.

Like just counter claim him tomorrow if you are a cop and we can all just move on.

Like, there's 3 possibilities

1. I'm a VT pushing what i strongly believe to be a scum lynch, then they flip scum and scum NKs me thinking i pushed with inside information of knowing he's not cop.
2. I'm a Cop pushing because I know he's not a Cop.
3. I'm actually wrong about MB.

Magic Bomb hasn't townposted and has scumslipped, there's hardly any reason for me to unvote just because of a claim. It's a closed setup, scum gets lots of leeway with fake claims.

If no one can counter claim him tomorrow he is telling the truth.
Don't get me wrong I think Mbomb is scum I just want to play around the idea that I could in fact be wrong.

beeboy123 wrote:

I want him to be lynched on another day.

did you even read what I wrote

fartownik wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

I want him to be lynched on another day.

did you even read what I wrote

Yes

Sakura wrote:

3. I'm actually wrong about MB.

I don't think you're wrong because I feel exactly the same about it.

beeboy123 wrote:

Yes

Why would a stupid claim like that get him a chance to live another day?

beeboy123 wrote:

._. I have serious objections about his lynch on day 1.

I mean if he were actually something like a 2-shot bus driver that would fucking suck more than a 2-shot cop would be awesome. Even if he survived just one night, 1 clear is not worth 1 bus drive or 1 rolestop/roleblock. Everyone's shit would have been fucked up because we thought it would be worth one conf town. I'm also like 70% sure even if he doesn't get lynched today, he'll be vigged tonight.

I mean it's like scum textbook 101 Page 10 Paragraph 28 Line 3.
Scum always fake claims Doc or Cop to get an extra day because town is too worried about losing a PR.

The question is more:

"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"

Sakura wrote:

I mean it's like scum textbook 101 Page 10 Paragraph 28 Line 3.
Scum always fake claims Doc or Cop to get an extra day because town is too worried about losing a PR.

Too bad we're actually not stupid Town to let that through. At least I hope the majority isn't.

Sakura wrote:

The question is more:

"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"

No there's not and he was about to be lynched before claiming Cop. Nothing has changed.

Or rather, something has changed, but in the opposite direction. His claim made me even more sure about his lynch.

People are too worried about being unable to find Scum without the help of PRs, hence why scum claiming PRs is what scum does.
Wost Case scenario they get counter claimed but find a PR, Best case scenario they skate by on their claim, while continuing to do nothing towny.

but the thing is

Is someone counter claiming?

Maybe i should host mountainous setups more often.

You know what's better?

Vote: Ace Timing

Honestly, if someone claims normal cop, I'd still refuse to believe it, having both a cop and a 2-shot cop would be too op.

However, I'm just gonna say, my actual text explaining why I'm a cop points more to being a tracker in my eyes, but... idk I got given cop. I also don't know how the flavour I was given suggests I'm 2-shot, honestly. I'm gonna assume I'm not allowed to quote exactly what the flavour is though, I remember someone getting modkilled for that in hoenn.

What happened to your supposed scumread on me from early game, i dont think you ever mentioned that.

By "my actual text" I mean the flavour in my role pm.

Sakura wrote:

What happened to your supposed scumread on me from early game, i dont think you ever mentioned that.

@Tsukasa

I personally have a town read on MB completely irrelevant from his PR claim

I think I played with MB twice when he was scum (also one time he was SK), and all those times he played very passively, and I feel he tends to care more when he plays as town, as represented in his appeal

If it happens he would be the best lynch today to clear wifom then so be it, but I'll be defending mb for today

Also I feel like fakeclaiming Cop to bait a CC is kind of a bad strategy, especially in Day 1

Frostings wrote:

Also I feel like fakeclaiming Cop to bait a CC is kind of a bad strategy, especially in Day 1

Ok this is all kinds of wrong.

Sakura wrote:

The question is more:

"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"

...he has not played Undertale?

I mean there are a lot of reason to lynch him but that one is still making me doubt, if he didn't actually know flowey was "evil"...

If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.

Zexion wrote:

Sakura wrote:

The question is more:

"Outside of his claim, are there any reasons to believe he's town?"

...he has not played Undertale?

I mean there are a lot of reason to lynch him but that one is still making me doubt, if he didn't actually know flowey was "evil"...

I've played 2 hours of it, I've already stated that, so if this is really the reason you're not voting me that's pretty stupid.

beeboy123 wrote:

If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.

You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I've played 2 hours of it, I've already stated that, so if this is really the reason you're not voting me that's pretty stupid.

I must have missed that, but it's kinda important considering the whole thing started for you being neutral to the flavor claim.

Yeah, but remember he ALSO said that to where he has played Flowey is an evil character, while being neutral to the flavor breaking strategy.

I was neutral to the flavour claim because I didn't mind claiming flavour, even though my flavour itself was proof the game couldn't be broken by it.

Now that I've claimed, I can basically say why.

My character is not very indicitive of my role at all, which I know, the way my flavour actually describes my role is very vague (and again, makes it sound like I'm a tracker, not a cop), so there is no real issue with claiming for me, and in fact there are a few possible good points, such as scum shooting someone they think will have a certain role that doesn't. However, I wasn't entirely for it, because this could have just been my role, not other people's.

Zexion wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.

You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.

On other news this post is all kinds of bad.

Zexion wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

If he claimed doc I would have lynched him but Cop is such a busted role I kind of want to just deal with the WIFOM even if you guys can't.

You can quickly eliiminate the WIFOM by lynching.

I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^

Lynching Mbomb today over tomorrow is just horrible play and if Sakura does acknowledge that in her next post I am voting her.

doesn't*

THAT EMOTE WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE

Sakura wrote:

On other news this post is all kinds of bad.

Huh? I thought MB claiming cop is WIFOM , which is why beeboy is hesitant to lynch him. Or did you meant something else?

beeboy123 wrote:

I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^

Problem is that in-between now and the "future" lynch we might change our opinions and go the wrong way.

Oh, i misunderstood then.
beeboy come at me, im not buying MB's claim so im not unvoting

beeboy123 wrote:

I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^

Agreed. If mb is town, we can possibly direct the NK onto him if scum decide Cop is more important, which is way better than lynching him today

vote: Sakura

o3o let's lynch this team.

Zexion wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

I mean... we can always just lynch him tomorrow and have 0 wifom regarding his clear if he flips scum ^_^

Problem is that in-between now and the "future" lynch we might change our opinions and go the wrong way.

But that won't happen to me o3o

You're thinking too much about the good outcome and to little at the bad one.

I still don't believe MB and beeboy is being a shitton of silly here.

I'm pretty sure after I die along with Sakura there will be no one to save this game from MB's potentially fucking this game up with his PR/fake Cop claim if he's scum and it will be gone. You may say "ok, we will lynch him tomorrow, no worries )" but you have absolutely no idea what can happen tomorrow, who can die, who can claim what and what roles can be in motion during the day/night, you can not plan a lynch ahead, it's ridiculously stupid and only complicates the game.

Seriously, voting Sakura gives me actualy scumvibes coming from you. What's your reason? I understand that MBomb's reason is because he's Mafia / OMGUS but you have literally not stated a proper reason as of yet.

You only said "lynching MB today over tomorrow is horrible" without explaining why.

Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.


So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.

Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.

fartownik wrote:

I'm pretty sure after I die along with Sakura

????????????????

Tsukasa go vote Sakura with me

If we're gonna be lynching Sakura (Which I'm entirely for, by the way) should we decide who I should target (preferably don't give me 1 person, multiple choice is better to avoid WIFOM being caused if I get NKed), or should I just target who I want? I'd prefer to just target who I want but if you guys would prefer a group decision, that's fine too.

beeboy123 wrote:

Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.


So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.

Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.

why the fuck would we lynch Sakura

How many Mafia games have you played in your life, beeboy

we're not lynching Sakura today
we're not lynching MB today

Adding the fact that you didn't even answer my question from top of the page @beeboy

Frostings wrote:

we're not lynching Sakura today
we're not lynching MB today

The majority will decide that, not you.

Does anyone even have a solid townread on Frostings for him to boss around like this?

fartownik wrote:

Does anyone even have a solid townread on Frostings for him to boss around like this?

Only sakura

Which doesn't really say much

beeboy123 wrote:

Tsukasa go vote Sakura with me

Vote sakura, sure

Vote sakura with you? Nope

Tsukasa wrote:

beeboy123 wrote:

Tsukasa go vote Sakura with me

Vote sakura, sure

Vote sakura with you? Nope

unvote

How about you vote Sakura first so I am voting Sakura with you ^_^

That would be lovely

Unvote
Vote: Sakura

What the hell is going on

Do you realize
That there's actually a mafia common role that's more harmful than a bus driver... it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.

Zexion wrote:

What the hell is going on

Scum are starting a counterwagon. That's what.

Sakura wrote:

it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.

But he claimed just 2-shot cop, right?

Not role cop

Tsukasa wrote:

Sakura wrote:

it's role cop, it gives scum 2x the chance of finding PRs.

But he claimed just 2-shot cop, right?

Not role cop

Of course he did, do you expect scum to say the truth?

Unvote:

You know what

Gimme some time to think

beeboy123 wrote:

Ok so let's not play around town being incompetent for a bit.


So we lynch Sakura today and she flips scum.
Then tomorrow we lynch MBomb.

Results
1. He flips town and a lynch baity person is confirmed town.
2. He flips scum and we get a scum lynch at the cost of him using a 1-shot roleblocker or busdriver at best?
3. He is scum claims a guilty on someone and we lynch him anyway.
4. He is town claims a guilty on someone we lynch bomb then the guilty.

I love how you're not considering me flipping town.