I'm not seeing how tsu is thinking sakura is scum, making everyone flavor claim is kinda null.
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why ms > beefboy?Frostings wrote:
Vote: metalsonic
beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anythingAce Timing wrote:
why ms > beefboy?
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture
that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
I mean, I hope Jess made the setup necessarily spoiler-free, but it's somehow doubtful
Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?
I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?
FOS: Tsukasa
Ace is still scum.
This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.Tsukasa wrote:
OR
or
We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.Tsukasa wrote:
Screw having played the gameSakura wrote:
And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
Here's what I'm getting at
These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game
1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...
I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?
That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<Sakura wrote:
GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.beeboy123 wrote:
We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...Frostings wrote:
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
FOS: Tsukasa
Ace is still scum.
Lets just say that we tried that already
And things
Went to shit
And things
Went to shit
I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
@Mod: here you go, free ISOS:
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[list][*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=3087669&t=480500]Aomi[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=3071175&t=480500]- Magic Bomb -[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=1617530&t=480500]Zexion[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=926675&t=480500]Tsukasa[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=5072814&t=480500]Ace Timing[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=56917&t=480500]fartownik[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=2652543&t=480500]Frostings[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=124455&t=480500]NoHitter[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=289422&t=480500]Sakura[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=7536255&t=480500]metal sonic1[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=2747730&t=480500]beeboy123[/url]
[*][url=https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/search.php?author_id=8770242&t=480500]seaboy312[/url][/list]
That's pretty much it.Zexion wrote:
I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.
Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the gameZexion wrote:
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.
Not necessarily, it may mislead scum as much as help them.Tsukasa wrote:
Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the gameZexion wrote:
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.
Persona 4 mafia on MS my character was Yukiko who's very known in the game for healing spells and scum targeted me thinking i was a doctor when i was actually a VT.
In the meantime flavor claiming doesnt hurt at all.
Its worth mentioning that the said flavor claiming and setup speculation was done by someone not-town aligned
Sooooo yeah
I'm not gonna experience that bullshit again please
Sooooo yeah
I'm not gonna experience that bullshit again please
And I like how you say thisSakura wrote:
answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.
Before you say that
Interesting thing tho, you say that people tried to flavor break the game before and it was led by scum, yet Zexion here says that the way the game is flavor may mean nothing in terms of alignments, if this is true then how did that happen in whichever game you were?
In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.
In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.
Point being, Frosty says we can probably flavor break the game.
I endorse this even if i dont know how he plans on doing so.
You're disagreeing with me.
But your vote on me is because of disagreement while trying to spun it off as a scumread.
Ergo, you're scum.
I endorse this even if i dont know how he plans on doing so.
You're disagreeing with me.
But your vote on me is because of disagreement while trying to spun it off as a scumread.
Ergo, you're scum.
one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against itZexion wrote:
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...
Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.
Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.
Vote: Frostings
Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.
Vote: Frostings
I'm gonna join back tomorrow because it's really late now and I have to sleep
((ᕦ(ò_óˇᕦ)fartownik wrote:
Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.
Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.
Vote: Frostings
fight me fartow
I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.Frostings wrote:
one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against itZexion wrote:
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...
I mean, I totally wouldn't lynch someone just because they claim they're the main antagonist in the game 
I feel like Jess is passionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
What's the downside?Zexion wrote:
I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.
Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.fartownik wrote:
Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.fartownik wrote:
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.
Frostings gets it.Frostings wrote:
I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
MBomb
MBomb
Let's flavour claim and move on with the the game.
My character is flowey.
My character is flowey.
Sorry im too busy voting scum.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Also why the hell is no one voting me.
I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.
You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.
I having a growing temptation to vote Mbomb for asking for it.
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(
Vote: Tsukass
you know with all these votes flying around, someone could be already lynched and we wouldn't even know it
for my own sanityZexion wrote:
Monsters:
[3] Tsukasa: Sakura, ms1, beeboy
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy
Not Voting: MB
again, for my own sanity
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy
Not Voting: MB
again, for my own sanity
Also, while looking at ISOs
who even are youAomi wrote:
vote: frostings
hello old friend we meet again
Who should I vote guys?
seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
I think you just answered your own question.NoHitter wrote:
Who should I vote guys?
seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
Trying too hard is NAI at best...NoHitter wrote:
Who should I vote guys?
seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
MBomb
I assumed that would be scum flavour and I wanted to see how people reacted LOL
Why would anyone claim a false flavor when a flavor mass claim is currently being considered lol
So will a flavor massclaim even work?
Basically these are the main characters:
IMO this tells me that we're not going to get anything substantial from this.
Basically these are the main characters:
SPOILER
There are 10 of them all in all. That means we're still missing two characters for the remaining 2 people. This means there will be at least two from the side characters. Frisk
Chara
Flowey/Asriel
Asgore
Toriel
Papyrus
Sans
Undyne
Alphys
Metaton
Chara
Flowey/Asriel
Asgore
Toriel
Papyrus
Sans
Undyne
Alphys
Metaton
IMO this tells me that we're not going to get anything substantial from this.
can i just kill you all for still discussing flavor claim
also Vote: beeboy123
He's got 4 votes iirc, 2 more and he's lynched.
wowFrostings wrote:
Also, while looking at ISOswho even are youAomi wrote:
vote: frostings
hello old friend we meet again
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):
also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something
im tired will re-read everything later zz
are you Mafia with Magic Bomb?Aomi wrote:
wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):
also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something
im tired will re-read everything later zz
)))))I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.
Topic Starter
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- [4] beeboy123 - Ace Timing, Frostings , - Magic Bomb - ,fartownik
[3] Tsukasa - Sakura , metal sonic1 , beeboy123
[2] Ace Timing- Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Frostings - Aomi
[1] Sakura - Tsukasa
[1] Aomi - seaboy321
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Very glad farto gets it, just one more thing to address and I'll never speak about this again:
What's happening right now. Everyone so worried about flavor we neglect everything else.Sakura wrote:
What's the downside?Zexion wrote:
I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.
I still don't get the town logic of denying a flavor claim, then claiming and lying about your flavor. Maybe explain what was your idea?beeboy123 wrote:
I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.
This passive attitude is starting to bother me. I didn't think you would do what you said so literally.NoHitter wrote:
Who should I vote guys?
seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur
That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.
Like stop assuming things that havent happened yet, everyone flavor claims, we get nothing? we move on, we get something? it was worth it. The only reason everyone's talking about it is because everyone's refusing.
MBomb
MBomb
And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?Sakura wrote:
That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.
I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.
Well it's kinda hard to see something without the info to take that conclusion soooZexion wrote:
And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?Sakura wrote:
That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.
I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.
Everyone claims, ok, who is scum? Would you dare lynching someone based on that?Zexion wrote:
If Jess actually related flavor with aligments... then there aren't that many "bad" characters to begin with. Depends on your definition of bad, so it's kinda ambiguous for undertale.
I don't really want to discuss this any further...
As I said we wont know until we try.
Oh I don't even remember that game, I died N1 as a third party and lost interest in itAomi wrote:
wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):
my bad
Here's my thought on flavor claims
1. everyone claims flavor
2. If a fishy claim comes up we have a nice friendly discussion about it
otherwise we go about with our lives
3. if, after a few flips it's starting to look like flavor might play a role in alignment we lynch accordingly to test the theory
otherwise, we forget about it
1. everyone claims flavor
2. If a fishy claim comes up we have a nice friendly discussion about it
otherwise we go about with our lives
3. if, after a few flips it's starting to look like flavor might play a role in alignment we lynch accordingly to test the theory
otherwise, we forget about it
Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.
Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o
yeah I don't know why mb is making a big deal about him hinting about it when I don't know what post he's even referring to
MBomb
fartownik wrote:
Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.
I thought it was because of this post?Aomi wrote:
also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something
im tired will re-read everything later zz
MBomb
MBomb
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I thought this.Frostings wrote:
I feel like Jess is passionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
I was wrong.
This is what I meant by me strongly hinting at claiming flowey, btw.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
The second part, not the first part.
MBomb
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
When is not paying attention a good thing wtf
When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.
Sorry for fencesitting on this but...
Im not sure if magic bomb is scum picking on a weakpoint or town thinking that something they dislike = scum.
Meanwhile Tsukasa is still scum.
Im not sure if magic bomb is scum picking on a weakpoint or town thinking that something they dislike = scum.
Meanwhile Tsukasa is still scum.
Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"
I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I thought it was because of this post?
MBomb
Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.fartownik wrote:
I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I thought it was because of this post?
MBomb
Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.beeboy123 wrote:
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
When is not paying attention a good thing wtf
When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.
Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.
MBomb
Honestly, I don't get what you're saying. At that stage I had already hinted strongly at being flowey, if you didn't realise I was hinting at that, then yeah, I don't understand, but I assumed that's why you said that. If you want to explain otherwise then I'm all ears, but honestly I considered it as more of a joke post at the time.fartownik wrote:
Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.
What I was doing wasn't even anti town I was reaction testing......- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.
Town vote this pls.
No one is this misguided. To just ignore what Sakura posted and continue to vote me for NAI reasons.
I love how MB conveniently skips over my post
Vote: mbomb
Vote: mbomb
And sorry "wasnt paying attention" doesnt fly since you said yourself that you're voting beeboy and not believing he "wasnt paying attention" funny how it works doesnt it.
Also Seaboy I know I said Sakura was a good player but don't you dare make on of those weird wall posts again.
I am starting to think Mbomb could just be really horribly misguided because he pushes me for no reason every game. But idk what stops him from doing the same as scum and nothing else in his posts make me think town :/
Gawd I suck at reading Osu players as scum. Maybe I should town hunt...