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ffff I knew I forgot something, ram depends on the cpu you choose though.Derekku Chan wrote:
Ph0X, I believe you forgot RAM :V
If you go i5, you'll need to get ddr3 (triple channel if you go i7, but that's not even for your price range)
DDR2 price is slowly going up though, and ddr3 price dropping, so you might be better off going ddr3 anyway :
I still think Spinpoint F3 is the way to go. Not sure if it's worth paying 30$ more for a caviarv2, even if it's slightly faster
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822152185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136533
About the 64bit. If you're getting 4gb, go ahead for it.
Back in the XP days, 64bit os wasn't very solid, and there wasn't that many programs that made use of it.
Nowadays though, more and more programs are coming out that fully make use of 64bit (New Adobe CS5 for example), and there will be more and more in the future.
Sure, you can't use a 64bit browser yet because of flaSHIT, but it'll come pretty soon. For now, just use a 32bit browser.It's not like you can't run 32bit applications.
I won't really comment on the rest, as I don't feel like joining the hardWARe
Tigerdirect - $800 build - I blame OS...
Windows 7 Home PReimium 64bit LINK
XFX Nvidia GTS 250 512 MB PCI-E 2.0 LINK
2GB DDR3 1333MHz CORSAIR RAM LINK
1TB Seagate Barracuda 32mb buff memory SATA LINK
EVGA P55 V SLI Intel LGA1156 Socket Motherboard ATX Formfactor LINK
Intel i3 530 LGA1156 CPU Retail with fan. 2.93GHZ LINK
Lite-on DVD-R SATA writer, burner LINK
Cheap Keyboard/Mouse combo LINK
Ultra 750watt PSU - Same one I have. Lifetime warrenty LINK
Ultra X-BLaster ATX MId-tower Case clear side LINK
Yeah... It's a nice build personally to me. Works to be upgradable with the mobo being SLI ready and can accept up to 16GB of RAM with 64bit OS.
Decent GPU, I have a GTS 250 OCed by BFG
i3 is a nice duel core and I would try to stay with the i series anyways.
2GB RAM to start with.
PSU is awesome. I use one.
Cheap Yet good Burner. I have a burner that cost me only 30 bucks.
Case is decent.
I'm not into Keyboard/mice much. I use a wireless setup which isn't good for gaming. (latency D
ALSO: 1000 post .-.
Windows 7 Home PReimium 64bit LINK
XFX Nvidia GTS 250 512 MB PCI-E 2.0 LINK
2GB DDR3 1333MHz CORSAIR RAM LINK
1TB Seagate Barracuda 32mb buff memory SATA LINK
EVGA P55 V SLI Intel LGA1156 Socket Motherboard ATX Formfactor LINK
Intel i3 530 LGA1156 CPU Retail with fan. 2.93GHZ LINK
Lite-on DVD-R SATA writer, burner LINK
Cheap Keyboard/Mouse combo LINK
Ultra 750watt PSU - Same one I have. Lifetime warrenty LINK
Ultra X-BLaster ATX MId-tower Case clear side LINK
Yeah... It's a nice build personally to me. Works to be upgradable with the mobo being SLI ready and can accept up to 16GB of RAM with 64bit OS.
Decent GPU, I have a GTS 250 OCed by BFG
i3 is a nice duel core and I would try to stay with the i series anyways.
2GB RAM to start with.
PSU is awesome. I use one.
Cheap Yet good Burner. I have a burner that cost me only 30 bucks.
Case is decent.
I'm not into Keyboard/mice much. I use a wireless setup which isn't good for gaming. (latency D
ALSO: 1000 post .-.
Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.
One other thing, I don't recommend going for a low-end dual core because the performance difference between the $50 processors and the $100 processors is large enough that it is enough worth the money saved (Going to be vague here and not going to show models or numbers because it is generally true)
Personally, I am in favor of the AMD quad core because a lot of programs are starting to use quad core threading. Even though an i5 at the same price point will usually perform better in apps that are not threaded for quad cores, the amount of time saved on those apps is usually pretty small and is far outweighted by the quadcore threaded apps. (Hopefully I got the terminology correct. Sorry if I made any mistakes. Also, I can provide proof for the things I stated if needed, but I really don't want to dig for the info unless it is needed) Also, I don't think you need the performance offered by the quad-core i5.
On hard drives, I am also a WD fan, so I would recommend them too. Still, if you like/need the performance or the cheaper price, the Samsung drive is not that bad of a choice. (Also, if you like the hard drive Metroid recommended, remember to buy it using both google checkout and bing cashback to get for about $33)
One other thing, I don't recommend going for a low-end dual core because the performance difference between the $50 processors and the $100 processors is large enough that it is enough worth the money saved (Going to be vague here and not going to show models or numbers because it is generally true)
Personally, I am in favor of the AMD quad core because a lot of programs are starting to use quad core threading. Even though an i5 at the same price point will usually perform better in apps that are not threaded for quad cores, the amount of time saved on those apps is usually pretty small and is far outweighted by the quadcore threaded apps. (Hopefully I got the terminology correct. Sorry if I made any mistakes. Also, I can provide proof for the things I stated if needed, but I really don't want to dig for the info unless it is needed) Also, I don't think you need the performance offered by the quad-core i5.
On hard drives, I am also a WD fan, so I would recommend them too. Still, if you like/need the performance or the cheaper price, the Samsung drive is not that bad of a choice. (Also, if you like the hard drive Metroid recommended, remember to buy it using both google checkout and bing cashback to get for about $33)
Eh. For any CPU reasonably good, specific applications probably won't matter for Derekku. As long as it works.blissfulyoshi wrote:
Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.
Which is why the CPU war is irrelevant; just pick
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Pretty much. :V I'm not looking for the proest build, I'm just looking for a standard/decently-good/budget build xd.strager wrote:
Eh. For any CPU reasonably good, specific applications probably won't matter for Derekku. As long as it works.blissfulyoshi wrote:
Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.
Which is why the CPU war is irrelevant; just pickAMDone.
IppE
No comment.IppE602 wrote:
slightly better instructions set of the Intel CPU's.
Billy_the_Kid
Loginer wrote:
How does $490.88 sound?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031
Loginers suggestion is almost exactly what I would have suggested.
His suggestion fits the requirements of Derreku, and will far exceed any performance expectations.
Not to mention, that Phenom II x2 550 is actually a quad core processor. You might get lucky (many many people HAVE gotten lucky) and be able to unlock the extra cores with no instability issues. The motherboard Loginer suggested is 'capable' of unlocking these extra cores. So this is an excellent decision.
No one else is going to be able to come up with a build with this much bang-for-the-buck unless they spend a few hours digging around Newegg combo deals and 1day super savings deals.
None of what you just said made any sense at all. It didn't further your argument and it just made you look like you lash out at people when you're wrong about something. I stated the facts in depth, and if you're incapable of understanding this then I feel sorry for you.In my first post:
You may look cool to some of the kids online coming back at me with this pile of garbage, but anyone with sense will see what I posted above for what it really is. You didn't further your argument at all and only succeeded in making yourself look even more like a fanboy/girl.
If you had bothered reading what I said, then you'd know that the link to your benchmarks was unnecessary and redundant because I already stated as much. Once again re: Multithreaded processing. These benchmarks do not take advantage of all 6 cores, so the comparison between a 4 and 6 core processor is a waste of time.
AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5blind remains blind
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
a deep bow from me for acknowledge your idiocy
at the same time, I've realize how bad you're at reading those benchies
appreciate that, in return:Daru wrote:
Stenut- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetoric
http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hans/%E5%AD ... 1%E4%B8%8B
Now I see some constructive suggestions
Unlike those google-able spams (no comment - should have shut up
refrain myself from posting, have fun
Billy_the_Kid
stenut wrote:
None of what you just said made any sense at all. It didn't further your argument and it just made you look like you lash out at people when you're wrong about something. I stated the facts in depth, and if you're incapable of understanding this then I feel sorry for you.In my first post:
You may look cool to some of the kids online coming back at me with this pile of garbage, but anyone with sense will see what I posted above for what it really is. You didn't further your argument at all and only succeeded in making yourself look even more like a fanboy/girl.
If you had bothered reading what I said, then you'd know that the link to your benchmarks was unnecessary and redundant because I already stated as much. Once again re: Multithreaded processing. These benchmarks do not take advantage of all 6 cores, so the comparison between a 4 and 6 core processor is a waste of time.AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5blind remains blind
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
a deep bow from me for acknowledge your idiocy
at the same time, I've realize how bad you're at reading those benchiesappreciate that, in return:Daru wrote:
Stenut- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetoric
http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hans/%E5%AD ... 1%E4%B8%8B
Now I see some constructive suggestions
Unlike those google-able spams (no comment - should have shut up
refrain myself from posting, have fun
And you persist with useless replies that don't support your initial argument in any way. This is borderline trolling.
And about the benchmarks- RE-READ MY MESSAGE. You are not getting the point.
You're calling ME an idiot and you can't even see that your benchmarks are worthless because they are not using the processors properly.
You can't use a 6-core multitasking processor in a gaming benchmark and claim it's a peice of shit. It doesn't work that way.
6 -core processors are used for servers, multitasking, and the like. AND GAMING BENCHMARKS DO NOT USE MORE THAN 4 CORES.
I understand that some of this may be miscommunication and your lack of understanding the english language but seriously.
Translate this properly or something because you're making yourself look really bad.
How did I miss this?stenut wrote:
In my first post:AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
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judging from benchmarks the i5 650 and the amd x4 925 have about the same performance and if they are about the same price I would chose the amd because amd tends to keep the same motherboard slot longer so you won't need to upgrade the motherboard when upgrading your cpu. If you need to pay for electricity yourself choose the intel it uses a lot less electricity. but judging from the prices in Holland the amd is 50€ cheaper so that would be the better option.
I guess for the final build, I would recommend going with the build loginer suggested first with 2 exceptions.
I would probably change the hard drive to the one Metroid linked because the price difference is large enough to justify going for seagate. (Also if you watch the sales on sites, the going price for a 2TB drive is about 110-120) (Also remember to use google checkout for the additional $5 savings)
The second thing I would change is the graphics card because 5670s don't perform that well for their price. A 4850 or a GTS 250 would probably be the best cards to choose as long as you don't need Dx11 or a 3-monitor display. This is the lowest price one I found without ridiculous rebates link (You might want to pay more for a better company though)
I would probably change the hard drive to the one Metroid linked because the price difference is large enough to justify going for seagate. (Also if you watch the sales on sites, the going price for a 2TB drive is about 110-120) (Also remember to use google checkout for the additional $5 savings)
The second thing I would change is the graphics card because 5670s don't perform that well for their price. A 4850 or a GTS 250 would probably be the best cards to choose as long as you don't need Dx11 or a 3-monitor display. This is the lowest price one I found without ridiculous rebates link (You might want to pay more for a better company though)
IppE602 wrote:
Metroids one is good too though the PSU is a overkill, 500W would suffice mighty fine.
I chosoe that because
1 - it was cheap.
2 - It can easily handle more power hungry hardware in the future if Derekku upgrades which is the basis of the build I came up with.
3 - Same PSU as me. :3
Being very redundant here, but again, for 10$ less, you can get spinpointF3 which is quite a bit better than caviar blue, and again, this combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDeal ... mbo.418941Ketchup wrote:
Loginers suggestion is almost exactly what I would have suggested.Loginer wrote:
How does $490.88 sound?
http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031
subbing these two, you get the exact same thing for 40$ less.
Topic Starter
Okay, so let's see...
Mobo
CPU
RAM
PSU/CDVD
HDD
Case
All of this totals under $400, but I'm still deciding on a GPU. I don't want something crappy with horrible reviews, and would rather pay a bit more for something that works kinda well and that won't become obsolete soon I suppose... Could I get a few more opinions on that (and on the setup as a whole to make sure everything will work together)?
Also, I'll ask again since I didn't see an answer to this: I will need a wireless network card, right? xd
Mobo
CPU
RAM
PSU/CDVD
HDD
Case
All of this totals under $400, but I'm still deciding on a GPU. I don't want something crappy with horrible reviews, and would rather pay a bit more for something that works kinda well and that won't become obsolete soon I suppose... Could I get a few more opinions on that (and on the setup as a whole to make sure everything will work together)?
Also, I'll ask again since I didn't see an answer to this: I will need a wireless network card, right? xd
If you want to connect via wireless, then yes you will need something else, be it a USB Wireless Adapter or one that goes in a PCI slot (both of these things are pretty cheap).
The motherboard has built in LAN though, so you don't have to buy anything extra if you can connect wired.
The motherboard has built in LAN though, so you don't have to buy anything extra if you can connect wired.
I've heard a lot of bad things about Lite-ON drives failing, but if that's fine with you, that build looks good. As for a graphics card, this one should serve you well.
If you need instructions on how to build the computer, check out this site.
http://www.pcityourself.com/building/introduction.php
If you need instructions on how to build the computer, check out this site.
http://www.pcityourself.com/building/introduction.php
If you are going with that processor, you might as well try to unlock it and get a quad core out of it. Make sure you have a better cooler if choose to do it (something like this will work if you are on a budget, or you can use this if you want one of the best coolers air cooling can offer)
On graphics, I still recommend something slightly higher end like a 4850
On graphics, I still recommend something slightly higher end like a 4850
Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
Just 10$?Ph0X wrote:
Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
I remember when that set (though the light blue version, whatever the difference is (it was 800 though)) was 40$. =[
Yea, that was last year though. I remember it got really low, not sure why it went back up like this.strager wrote:
Just 10$?Ph0X wrote:
Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
I remember when that set (though the light blue version, whatever the difference is (it was 800 though)) was 40$. =[
Well I know RAM prices in general went up since the previous year. If I remember correctly, the prices for the memory chips themselves went up, but not sure of the reason for that.
DDR3.
Topic Starter
Finally just ordered it. God I'm so indecisive. Still need to get a set of speakers, a mouse, and a keyboard, though. I almost had some sexy speakers picked out but noooooo I need to keep doubting my choice. xd *falls asleep*
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fffff of course there's good sales the morning after I order my stuff.
1TB cavier black drive $10 off, making it only $10 more than the Spinsmithpoint F3 fffffff
Also, 4GB ram $8 cheaper alksfa oh well x-x
1TB cavier black drive $10 off, making it only $10 more than the Spin
Also, 4GB ram $8 cheaper alksfa oh well x-x
Topic Starter
Update: Got the rig built today (after various problems which I'll explain tomorrow), got it to POST, and am now checking the temperatures to make sure the heatsink (that bitch) was installed right. Successsss *collapses*
Yay, Derekku Chan!!!!!
I hope enjoy your new build and not suffer any problems. (Now you can go OC it xD)
I hope enjoy your new build and not suffer any problems. (Now you can go OC it xD)
Topic Starter
Windows 7 is installed and everything seems to be fine thus far. I'll try unlocking those extra cores tomorrow or over the weekend along with trying to transfer everything from my laptop to the big gun. Thanks again, osu! :3
Topic Starter
Okay, so, I got my case in the mail two Tuesdays ago. However, the same day, I received an e-mail that day from newegg with special promotions. One of the offers was for a better version of the Antec 300: the Antec 300 Illusion. The original case was around $50 including shipping... and so was this one. XPPP I was frustrated since the Illusion has two extra fans (~$30 value) and all but the back case fan have blue LEDs (which I really wanted originally). So, I contacted newegg with my situation and they allowed me to RMA the original case for a refund. Sexy. <3
So, the rest of my parts came the next day (Wednesday), but obviously I had to send the case back so I was unable to start building. I think I got the Illusion case by Friday, but I remembered that I forgot something... The CPU was OEM, so it didn't come in the original box with a stock fan. So, I had to order some type of cooling solution (i.e., the sink/fan that yoshi linked to tyvm). Since it was Friday, though, the order wasn't even processed until Monday, and I didn't get the fan until Wednesday (last week).
So, Wednesday or Thursday of last week I started getting everything together to start building. I practiced putting the heatsink on a few times since the AMD clips to mount it were a bit orzy, but I finally figured it out. Well... I went to put the thermal paste on the CPU and spread it, but it was kinda hard or dried up and just stuck to whatever I tried to spread it with (tried both an old credit card and a plastic sandwich baggie). Cleaned off the CPU with rubbing alcohol, tried again, same thing. At this point I was about to strangle someone, but realized that I'd end up having to blow more money and get some Arctic Silver 5. HOWEVER, it was about 8:45pm and most stores were closing at 9. Fuck. So, I drove up to a Radio Shack nearby just in time to grab a tube. Got home, put it on the CPU, and it spread sooooo nicely. *grumbles about the retarded dried up paste*
blah blah blah [size=85]think you'll be gettin' this nah nah nah[/size ]boring storyline -- Finished building a while later, got the case upstairs to my room, plugged everything in, checked settings in BIOS, installed Windows 7, and passed out. It's been a few days now, and everything seems to be working perfectly. CPU temp is nice and low, other temps are great, fans are pretty and blue, etc. It's so nice to be able to just use my goddamn computer without worrying that it'll overheat every five minutes. My laptop would hit almost 50C when IDLING, so it was a real pain... *grumble*
This was probably a boring story, but thanks again everyone! I really appreciate it. *insert picture of Konata :3ing*
Final list of parts:
Case
Mobo
CPU
Heatsink
RAM
GPU
Internetz
HDD
CDVD
PSU
Mouse
Keyboard
Speakers
Windows 7
Total Cost (after rebates and sans monitor): ~$690
Wheeee
So, the rest of my parts came the next day (Wednesday), but obviously I had to send the case back so I was unable to start building. I think I got the Illusion case by Friday, but I remembered that I forgot something... The CPU was OEM, so it didn't come in the original box with a stock fan. So, I had to order some type of cooling solution (i.e., the sink/fan that yoshi linked to tyvm). Since it was Friday, though, the order wasn't even processed until Monday, and I didn't get the fan until Wednesday (last week).
So, Wednesday or Thursday of last week I started getting everything together to start building. I practiced putting the heatsink on a few times since the AMD clips to mount it were a bit orzy, but I finally figured it out. Well... I went to put the thermal paste on the CPU and spread it, but it was kinda hard or dried up and just stuck to whatever I tried to spread it with (tried both an old credit card and a plastic sandwich baggie). Cleaned off the CPU with rubbing alcohol, tried again, same thing. At this point I was about to strangle someone, but realized that I'd end up having to blow more money and get some Arctic Silver 5. HOWEVER, it was about 8:45pm and most stores were closing at 9. Fuck. So, I drove up to a Radio Shack nearby just in time to grab a tube. Got home, put it on the CPU, and it spread sooooo nicely. *grumbles about the retarded dried up paste*
blah blah blah [size=85]think you'll be gettin' this nah nah nah[/size ]boring storyline -- Finished building a while later, got the case upstairs to my room, plugged everything in, checked settings in BIOS, installed Windows 7, and passed out. It's been a few days now, and everything seems to be working perfectly. CPU temp is nice and low, other temps are great, fans are pretty and blue, etc. It's so nice to be able to just use my goddamn computer without worrying that it'll overheat every five minutes. My laptop would hit almost 50C when IDLING, so it was a real pain... *grumble*
This was probably a boring story, but thanks again everyone! I really appreciate it. *insert picture of Konata :3ing*
Final list of parts:
Case
Mobo
CPU
Heatsink
RAM
GPU
Internetz
HDD
CDVD
PSU
Mouse
Keyboard
Speakers
Windows 7
Total Cost (after rebates and sans monitor): ~$690
Wheeee
Topic Starter
When I'm not so lazy I'll post one here and in the "post your setup" thread. (maybe tonight xp)Xanek wrote:
Post Pic of completed computer when your done
fff I was about to post
Pix or it didn't happen
Topic Starter
No, I just went to allll this trouble for nothing. :vstrager wrote:
fff I was about to postPix or it didn't happen
I say you should of gotten either the Antec Skeleton Or the Cooler Master Cosmos
No.
300 is tried and true.
300 is tried and true.
Topic Starter
Expected another "where are the goddamn pics" post. :v
A Cosmos for this build would be madness. The price is simply ridiculous.
Derekku Chan wrote:
Expected another"where are the goddamn pics"post. :v
As Roko said, the cosmos is just way too expensive for this build. Plus if he wanted something that high end, he should probably get a Corsair Obsidian instead. Also, Antec Skeleton is a build meant for benchmarking. Do not even think about using it for a normal build.
I can't believe you people are actually answering him with seriousness.
He's obviously a complete fucktard, as he just suggested two alienware-like cases that look like shit, are expensive and only retards would buy.
Why not recommend some GAMER MOUSEPAD, RAZER HEADPHONE and 5970 while your at it.
Kids nowadays.
He's obviously a complete fucktard, as he just suggested two alienware-like cases that look like shit, are expensive and only retards would buy.
Why not recommend some GAMER MOUSEPAD, RAZER HEADPHONE and 5970 while your at it.
Kids nowadays.
x2Ph0X wrote:
5970
Shoulda ordered one of these.
YMMV on price ... 50$ to 500$ to 2000$ new.
YMMV on price ... 50$ to 500$ to 2000$ new.
I don't know, don't you think the disc would kind of get in the way?strager wrote:
Shoulda ordered one of these.
YMMV on price ... 50$ to 500$ to 2000$ new.
It doesn't bother me, really.adam2046 wrote:
I don't know, don't you think the disc would kind of get in the way?
Topic Starter