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Loginer
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Also, I usually prefer Intel, but I suppose it really doesn't matter. :v
Any specific reason? AMD's processors have just as high quality as Intel's.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Also, I'm wondering if there are hardware-dependencies with 64-bit vs 32-bit.
16-bit applications won't run on 64-bit Windows, but Win16 has been dead for over a decade now. As for hardware, x86-64 processors run 32-bit applications natively.

Derekku Chan wrote:

Could anyone give me other alternatives that come closer to around $500? orz
How does $490.88 sound?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031
Nachy
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Nachy

Loginer wrote:

Ignore Nacho's build, the CPU won't even fit on that mobo.
Crap didn't even noticed :o
anonymous_old
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Loginer wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Could anyone give me other alternatives that come closer to around $500? orz
How does $490.88 sound?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031
Caviar Blue? =[

Remember, there's shipping.

And do you really need a DVD burner? ;P

Anyway, I approve of Lolginer's set. Pretty standard mid-low budget AMD PC.
Pokebis
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Pokebis

Xanek wrote:

......... *claws at his unused money in savings account that he can't touch*
:[
So would buy that setup...
I'd pretend to buy a better setup with savings.
Derekku
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@AMD vs. Intel: I actually really don't care :>

@64-bit: k

@$500 build: Nice, thanks. I'll keep pondering over the next few days whether to get the dual core build or pay a bit more for the quad core (and possibly better video card), and see if anyone has anything else to say. :3 Thanks again, everyone. :>

Oh, I also just remembered that since the router/modem are in a different room, I'll need wireless halp. That's another separate card to buy, right? orz
Ph0X
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Ph0X
Case: Antec 300 is a definite go, I think we can all agree on that one.

HDD: I was a big Caviar Black fan, but Spinpoint F3 at it's current price is better right now. ( read and write speed )

PSU/DVD: The combo Nacho found sounded like an amazing deal to me. 500w modular cable, I don't see why you went for seperate.

200 for case/psu/hdd/dvd

For cpu, I'd personally say that right now, Intel would be the way to go, and I'll also be a jackass suggesting a i5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115220
180 + ~125$ mobo would come to 300

85 - 130 - 150
and 100-150$ for gpu

You'll be at 600
Lum Moroboshi
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Lum Moroboshi
Fucking computers, how do they work?

I read this guide and I find it helpful.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/ho ... mputer.htm

It gives you an insight of what you want to build.

Some good sites to buy parts:

http://www.newegg.com
http://www.tigerdirect.com/
Derekku
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Derekku
Ph0X, I believe you forgot RAM :V
Pokebis
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Pokebis

Derekku Chan wrote:

Ph0X, I believe you forgot RAM :V
That's okay, you can download it.
/injoke
Derekku
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Derekku

Pokebis wrote:

Derekku Chan wrote:

Ph0X, I believe you forgot RAM :V
That's okay, you can download it.
/injoke
oh you
stenut
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Joined November 2008
stenut
AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)

any mid to low end mobo with good availability of expansion slots/ports (will you consider crossfire in near future? enough usb & sata?)
+ DDR3-1333 4GB twin channel value sticks would be enough (you won't notice much performance difference with higher clocked sticks as what figures told you in benchies)

why x64?
there's no flash x64 (you can't run flash in x64 browser); plenty of x64 softwares but prove no advantage over x86's (most of available apps are yet to fully utilize x86 memory structure); there are apps suffer with x64 memory pool issue, you may have to lower the amount of boot-up memory to run them (hassles...)
you'll only benefit from x64 platform if you're doing CAD works or heavy graphic processing (with the combination of more RAM sticks of course, which would possibly cause overbudget), otherwise I suggest to stay with x86
read more on http://www.start64.com

HDD - go for caviar black 2nd gen (1002FAEX) or caviar blue
indeed samsung F3 is fast (faster than 1st gen of caviar black) and cheaper
I've reviewed it on my own and found out this drive however, performs according to its placement
lets say it gives avg 160mb/s & 130mb/s reading in read/write test, when it's placed vertically bended to the left side
it gives lower reading when placed horizontally, or vertically bended to the right side... funny enough with the way how it was engineered (there are models of different brands do the same as well)

PSU - true power between 500-600w would be more than enough, I'd suggest Corsair VX or TX series (manufacturer does matter, preferably Seasonic / CWT)

GPU - any ATi 5xxx that fits your budget

Casing? Naked ftw :lol:
Derekku
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Derekku

stenut wrote:

quad core / six core
@_@ Again, I really don't need higher than dual core.

stenut wrote:

crossfire expansion / dd3 / etc
@-@ One GPU is enough for me xd

stenut wrote:

32 bit vs 64 bit
hmmm well, I guess it is kinda true that I really don't need 64 for extra ram or the like, so are there really any BIG differences why I should upgrade? :V

stenut wrote:

More info
Thanks~
stenut
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stenut
@_@ Again, I really don't need higher than dual core.
Get me right, i was highlighting procs within the same price range, not core segment
Phenom II x4 925 (Quad) & I5 650 (Dual) - I5 priced almost double of P2x4, and the top end of I5 (still a dual) is equivalent to a 6cores of AMD, check out the price list and see if they fit your budget (my price here is different
I wouldn't mind if you insist on dual like I3 or Athlon x2 (oh well AMD is always cheaper
the price difference is little, pretty fine if the performance you seek for is worth your saving
but don't get frustrated later when you see your dual struggling hard to decode highly compressed 1080p of newer standard in near future
goes crawling with more than 10 tabs of flash content, streaming and pics rendering opened in firefox :lol:

@-@ One GPU is enough for me xd
I understand that, just a reminder of possible upgrade you would consider in near future, in case you find out current setup could no longer serve you any better
who knows you'll get a usb3.0 devices (and you notice your board comes only with usb2.0 :lol:
well just look out for the features, the more the better (more usb ports and sata ports for "future" upgrade, since you mentioned "portability" in your 1st post

hmmm well, I guess it is kinda true that I really don't need 64 for extra ram or the like, so are there really any BIG differences why I should upgrade? :V
is that ONLY "platform upgrade" would prove significant improvement? (x86>x64?
oh no of course not
big differences? hell lots, but how significant are they, is still depends how you perceive them
lets say you get 7seconds faster windows loading time on your new setup, do you think this is fast enough to make a BIG difference?
open up a 10MB archive (unzipping) takes you 3 seconds less, while 1GB archive takes you 1 minute less
will there be any BIG difference is still depend to what extent you utilize your setup
surfing with 50 tabs of pure text content in firefox consumes less resources and cpu raw power comparing to 10 tabs of flash based streaming + jpeg rendering

conclusion is, buy for future, something that will last longer and worth your every penny
as for performance it's guaranteed, desktop is always faster than lappy on equivalent hardware configuration
anonymous_old
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stenut wrote:

@_@ Again, I really don't need higher than dual core.
Get me right, i was highlighting procs within the same price range, not core segment
Phenom II x4 925 (Quad) & I5 650 (Dual) - I5 priced almost double of P2x4, and the top end of I5 (still a dual) is equivalent to a 6cores of AMD
Seriously, go fuck yourself. I stopped reading here.

I'd swing WD for pure trust. WD has been good to me, and a lot of other people. I've had Seagates and Hitachi's. Seagates fail pretty hard, and it's difficult to feel safe with them without at least RAID1 x3. Hitachi's are slow, though I have only had one so I can't compare much. WD, I've only had one problem with a 5-year-old drive I've abused. (Harddrive failure when you don't have regular backups is a fun learning experience. =])

Just remembered there was a really nice build on Newegg a while ago that fits in your price range: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBund ... mbo.391749 (Actually, it's above your price range, but there's an MIR.) It's active until the sixteenth.

(There were also supercheap AMDx2 and kindacheap i3 (sans HDD) builds.)

Or you can just go with Lolginer's standard set. =>
stenut
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stenut
Seriously, go fuck yourself. I stopped reading here.
funny.. a pro?

lowest end of I3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819115222

second lowest P2 x4 (too bad I don't see 925 here, cheaper than I3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6819103644

do you need more proof from me for what I've stated in my first post? dear programmer?
I believe I'm not the only one who aware of the fact that programmer usually sucks in hardware :lol:
Daru
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Daru

strager wrote:

(Harddrive failure when you don't have regular backups is a fun learning experience. =])
True words.

For Derekku: You should try an OS reinstall to tide you over for the time being. So long as the crashes on your laptop aren't caused by some hardware failure, then reinstalling your OS should fix the problems that you've accumulated on it.
Billy_the_Kid
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stenut wrote:

Get me right, i was highlighting procs within the same price range, not core segment
Phenom II x4 925 (Quad) & I5 650 (Dual) - I5 priced almost double of P2x4, and the top end of I5 (still a dual) is equivalent to a 6cores of AMD.


Take note of the Bold section. There are a few things wrong with this.
Frist, the "top-end" i5 as you so eloquently put it, is NOT a dual core, it's a Quad core.

Second, the i5 750 is almost identical to a Phenom II x4 955 in terms of performance. The only time this processor will come out ahead is in media encoding/decoding, and even then it's negligible. Let's face it though; people don't buy these processors for ripping apart 5 gig zip files or compressing video, they buy them for GAMES. And in terms of gaming the 2 chips are damn near identical.

Both chips overclock similarly.
The Core i5 dual are equivilent to Athlon II x2 dual chips. And the same can be said about Athlon II and Phenom II dual chips being damn near identical in terms of performance. The difference is that the Phenom II chips use L3 cache and have 2 extra cores that *might* be stable when unlocked, which makes it one hell of a budget chip.

Your statement about the Core i5 dual being equivilent to a Phenom II x6 (six-core) is false for a few reasons as well.

First, maybe in a few synthetic benchmarks you'll see that Core i5 dual doing well, but the fact is that those synthetic benchmarks are usually only testing 1 core. So core for core, we've already established that the chips are close, but this x6 has 4 extra cores that aren't being properly threaded (see: multitasking and multi-core processing) so the results are far from accurate.

Second, in a purely gaming environment the 6-core is going to stomp all over that dual core and never look back. The fact is that even going from Phenom II x2 550 (3.1ghz), to Phenom II x4 940 (3.0ghz) will net you nearly TWICE as much framerate in newer games when the Video is not the bottleneck.

The same can be said for your i5 Dual vs the Phenom II quad. 2 extra cores makes one hell of a difference in (see: Nex gen) newer applications that make use of proper multithreading techniques so as to take advantage of extra cpu cores.
Your dual core is not going to hold water in intense applications that use more than two cores


So next time you decide to rattle off about how knowledgable you are about how superior your processor is to the competitions flagship, at LEAST do some fucking research about dual vs quad core, and L3 cache.

My suggestion to you is to take your fanboyism and shove it straight up your ass.
Derekku
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Derekku

Daru wrote:

strager wrote:

(Harddrive failure when you don't have regular backups is a fun learning experience. =])
True words.

For Derekku: You should try an OS reinstall to tide you over for the time being. So long as the crashes on your laptop aren't caused by some hardware failure, then reinstalling your OS should fix the problems that you've accumulated on it.
I think that a botched microsoft update screwed things up until I was able to do a sysrestore, but I've been having a bunch of hardware issues with this POS for a whiiiiiiile now, so I think I can manage another week or two. xP
stenut
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stenut

Ketchup wrote:

Take note of the Bold section. There are a few things wrong with this.
Frist, the "top-end" i5 as you so eloquently put it, is NOT a dual core, it's a Quad core. ~blabliblubleblo
My suggestion to you is to take your fanboyism and shove it straight up your ass.
Finally a reinforcement arrived? :lol:

Owh my bad, indeed they are quad. I'm sorry I got messed up with my spreadsheet here
but ~ kindly read my sentence again:
Phenom II x4 925 (Quad) & I5 650 (Dual) - I5 priced almost double of P2x4, and the top end of I5 (still a dual) is equivalent to a 6cores of AMD.
see the comma blind one? I'm referring the equivalence to the price term; did I mention performance? (sorry to have you screwed up
think it over, what on earth would make you think that I was likely to compare a dual I5 performance to a 6cores's? senseless
I wasn't even proposed any performance comparison in btween models you've mentioned (awh now second screw
anyway I'm glad you did aware of that the top-end of i5 is a quad (yeah it's a 750)

and yeah after going thru all your "too-funny" statements has make me another chance to screw you for a third time:
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=236153
Rmb to go thru all the following posts, as those understandings would even further your statement as an epic joke (find someone else for translation, and pls read back at what I've stated in my first post
just don't tell me "omg this is so not true" "hell this is biased" yadayada
You don't have the balls worth of showing off yet
fanboyism...pardon + LOL?!?!?! You had better consult an optical specialist soon.
Billy_the_Kid
Billy_the_Kid

stenut wrote:

Ketchup wrote:

Take note of the Bold section. There are a few things wrong with this.
Frist, the "top-end" i5 as you so eloquently put it, is NOT a dual core, it's a Quad core. ~blabliblubleblo
My suggestion to you is to take your fanboyism and shove it straight up your ass.
Finally a reinforcement arrived? :lol:

Owh my bad, indeed they are quad. I'm sorry I got messed up with my spreadsheet here
but ~ kindly read my sentence again:
Phenom II x4 925 (Quad) & I5 650 (Dual) - I5 priced almost double of P2x4, and the top end of I5 (still a dual) is equivalent to a 6cores of AMD.
see the comma blind one? I'm referring the equivalence to the price term; did I mention performance? (sorry to have you screwed up
think it over, what on earth would make you think that I was likely to compare a dual I5 performance to a 6cores's? senseless
I wasn't even proposed any performance comparison in btween models you've mentioned (awh now second screw
anyway I'm glad you did aware of that the top-end of i5 is a quad (yeah it's a 750)

and yeah after going thru all your "too-funny" statements has make me another chance to screw you for a third time:
http://forum.coolaler.com/showthread.php?t=236153
Rmb to go thru all the following posts, as those understandings would even further your statement as an epic joke (find someone else for translation, and pls read back at what I've stated in my first post
just don't tell me "omg this is so not true" "hell this is biased" yadayada
You don't have the balls worth of showing off yet
fanboyism...pardon + LOL?!?!?! You had better consult an optical specialist soon.


None of what you just said made any sense at all. It didn't further your argument and it just made you look like you lash out at people when you're wrong about something. I stated the facts in depth, and if you're incapable of understanding this then I feel sorry for you.
You may look cool to some of the kids online coming back at me with this pile of garbage, but anyone with sense will see what I posted above for what it really is. You didn't further your argument at all and only succeeded in making yourself look even more like a fanboy/girl.

If you had bothered reading what I said, then you'd know that the link to your benchmarks was unnecessary and redundant because I already stated as much. Once again re: Multithreaded processing. These benchmarks do not take advantage of all 6 cores, so the comparison between a 4 and 6 core processor is a waste of time.
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vytalibus
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New ITT: Computer parts wars.
Lum Moroboshi
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Lum Moroboshi
Guys, we don't need YOUR interest clashing against each other. This is for Derek's interest. Plz help Derek. tl;dr: get over yourselves nerds
Ph0X
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Ph0X

Derekku Chan wrote:

Ph0X, I believe you forgot RAM :V
ffff I knew I forgot something, ram depends on the cpu you choose though.
If you go i5, you'll need to get ddr3 (triple channel if you go i7, but that's not even for your price range)
DDR2 price is slowly going up though, and ddr3 price dropping, so you might be better off going ddr3 anyway :

I still think Spinpoint F3 is the way to go. Not sure if it's worth paying 30$ more for a caviarv2, even if it's slightly faster
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822152185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 6822136533

About the 64bit. If you're getting 4gb, go ahead for it.
Back in the XP days, 64bit os wasn't very solid, and there wasn't that many programs that made use of it.
Nowadays though, more and more programs are coming out that fully make use of 64bit (New Adobe CS5 for example), and there will be more and more in the future.
Sure, you can't use a 64bit browser yet because of flaSHIT, but it'll come pretty soon. For now, just use a 32bit browser.It's not like you can't run 32bit applications.

I won't really comment on the rest, as I don't feel like joining the hardWARe
Daru
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Daru
Stenut- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetoric
Metroid
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Metroid
Tigerdirect - $800 build - I blame OS...


Windows 7 Home PReimium 64bit LINK

XFX Nvidia GTS 250 512 MB PCI-E 2.0 LINK

2GB DDR3 1333MHz CORSAIR RAM LINK

1TB Seagate Barracuda 32mb buff memory SATA LINK

EVGA P55 V SLI Intel LGA1156 Socket Motherboard ATX Formfactor LINK

Intel i3 530 LGA1156 CPU Retail with fan. 2.93GHZ LINK

Lite-on DVD-R SATA writer, burner LINK

Cheap Keyboard/Mouse combo LINK

Ultra 750watt PSU - Same one I have. Lifetime warrenty LINK

Ultra X-BLaster ATX MId-tower Case clear side LINK

Yeah... It's a nice build personally to me. Works to be upgradable with the mobo being SLI ready and can accept up to 16GB of RAM with 64bit OS.
Decent GPU, I have a GTS 250 OCed by BFG
i3 is a nice duel core and I would try to stay with the i series anyways.
2GB RAM to start with.
PSU is awesome. I use one.
Cheap Yet good Burner. I have a burner that cost me only 30 bucks.
Case is decent.
I'm not into Keyboard/mice much. I use a wireless setup which isn't good for gaming. (latency D

ALSO: 1000 post .-.
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blissfulyoshi
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Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.

One other thing, I don't recommend going for a low-end dual core because the performance difference between the $50 processors and the $100 processors is large enough that it is enough worth the money saved (Going to be vague here and not going to show models or numbers because it is generally true)

Personally, I am in favor of the AMD quad core because a lot of programs are starting to use quad core threading. Even though an i5 at the same price point will usually perform better in apps that are not threaded for quad cores, the amount of time saved on those apps is usually pretty small and is far outweighted by the quadcore threaded apps. (Hopefully I got the terminology correct. Sorry if I made any mistakes. Also, I can provide proof for the things I stated if needed, but I really don't want to dig for the info unless it is needed) Also, I don't think you need the performance offered by the quad-core i5.

On hard drives, I am also a WD fan, so I would recommend them too. Still, if you like/need the performance or the cheaper price, the Samsung drive is not that bad of a choice. (Also, if you like the hard drive Metroid recommended, remember to buy it using both google checkout and bing cashback to get for about $33)
anonymous_old
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blissfulyoshi wrote:

Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.
Eh. For any CPU reasonably good, specific applications probably won't matter for Derekku. As long as it works.

Which is why the CPU war is irrelevant; just pick AMD one.
Derekku
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Derekku

strager wrote:

blissfulyoshi wrote:

Derekku Chan: May you please tell us but else you will be doing with this PC? I don't think the processor debate can be handled very well without some further information such as how often you try to encode movies, do photoshop, and various other processes.
Eh. For any CPU reasonably good, specific applications probably won't matter for Derekku. As long as it works.

Which is why the CPU war is irrelevant; just pick AMD one.
Pretty much. :V I'm not looking for the proest build, I'm just looking for a standard/decently-good/budget build xd.
IppE
IppE
Loginers 2nd one seems the most logical to me as you're obviously not a person who needs the raw power and slightly better instructions set of the Intel CPU's.

Metroids one is good too though the PSU is a overkill, 500W would suffice mighty fine.
anonymous_old
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IppE602 wrote:

slightly better instructions set of the Intel CPU's.
No comment.
Billy_the_Kid
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Loginer wrote:

How does $490.88 sound?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031

Loginers suggestion is almost exactly what I would have suggested.

His suggestion fits the requirements of Derreku, and will far exceed any performance expectations.

Not to mention, that Phenom II x2 550 is actually a quad core processor. You might get lucky (many many people HAVE gotten lucky) and be able to unlock the extra cores with no instability issues. The motherboard Loginer suggested is 'capable' of unlocking these extra cores. So this is an excellent decision.

No one else is going to be able to come up with a build with this much bang-for-the-buck unless they spend a few hours digging around Newegg combo deals and 1day super savings deals.
stenut
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stenut
None of what you just said made any sense at all. It didn't further your argument and it just made you look like you lash out at people when you're wrong about something. I stated the facts in depth, and if you're incapable of understanding this then I feel sorry for you.
You may look cool to some of the kids online coming back at me with this pile of garbage, but anyone with sense will see what I posted above for what it really is. You didn't further your argument at all and only succeeded in making yourself look even more like a fanboy/girl.

If you had bothered reading what I said, then you'd know that the link to your benchmarks was unnecessary and redundant because I already stated as much. Once again re: Multithreaded processing. These benchmarks do not take advantage of all 6 cores, so the comparison between a 4 and 6 core processor is a waste of time.
In my first post:
AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
blind remains blind
a deep bow from me for acknowledge your idiocy
at the same time, I've realize how bad you're at reading those benchies :lol:

Daru wrote:

Stenut- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetoric
appreciate that, in return:
http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hans/%E5%AD ... 1%E4%B8%8B

Now I see some constructive suggestions
Unlike those google-able spams (no comment - should have shut up
refrain myself from posting, have fun :lol:
Billy_the_Kid
Billy_the_Kid

stenut wrote:

None of what you just said made any sense at all. It didn't further your argument and it just made you look like you lash out at people when you're wrong about something. I stated the facts in depth, and if you're incapable of understanding this then I feel sorry for you.
You may look cool to some of the kids online coming back at me with this pile of garbage, but anyone with sense will see what I posted above for what it really is. You didn't further your argument at all and only succeeded in making yourself look even more like a fanboy/girl.

If you had bothered reading what I said, then you'd know that the link to your benchmarks was unnecessary and redundant because I already stated as much. Once again re: Multithreaded processing. These benchmarks do not take advantage of all 6 cores, so the comparison between a 4 and 6 core processor is a waste of time.
In my first post:
AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
blind remains blind
a deep bow from me for acknowledge your idiocy
at the same time, I've realize how bad you're at reading those benchies :lol:

Daru wrote:

Stenut- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethos#Rhetoric
appreciate that, in return:
http://zh.wikisource.org/zh-hans/%E5%AD ... 1%E4%B8%8B

Now I see some constructive suggestions
Unlike those google-able spams (no comment - should have shut up
refrain myself from posting, have fun :lol:

And you persist with useless replies that don't support your initial argument in any way. This is borderline trolling.

And about the benchmarks- RE-READ MY MESSAGE. You are not getting the point.
You're calling ME an idiot and you can't even see that your benchmarks are worthless because they are not using the processors properly.

You can't use a 6-core multitasking processor in a gaming benchmark and claim it's a peice of shit. It doesn't work that way.
6 -core processors are used for servers, multitasking, and the like. AND GAMING BENCHMARKS DO NOT USE MORE THAN 4 CORES.


I understand that some of this may be miscommunication and your lack of understanding the english language but seriously.
Translate this properly or something because you're making yourself look really bad.
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stenut wrote:

In my first post:
AMD Phenom x4 (there is batch which is unlockable to six cores) or Intel I5
I5 did better in terms of gaming despite of being a dual core proc
additional cores can be crucial as normal app runs based on cores, not threads (unless apps are optimized to do so)
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qlum
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judging from benchmarks the i5 650 and the amd x4 925 have about the same performance and if they are about the same price I would chose the amd because amd tends to keep the same motherboard slot longer so you won't need to upgrade the motherboard when upgrading your cpu. If you need to pay for electricity yourself choose the intel it uses a lot less electricity. but judging from the prices in Holland the amd is 50€ cheaper so that would be the better option.
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I guess for the final build, I would recommend going with the build loginer suggested first with 2 exceptions.

I would probably change the hard drive to the one Metroid linked because the price difference is large enough to justify going for seagate. (Also if you watch the sales on sites, the going price for a 2TB drive is about 110-120) (Also remember to use google checkout for the additional $5 savings)

The second thing I would change is the graphics card because 5670s don't perform that well for their price. A 4850 or a GTS 250 would probably be the best cards to choose as long as you don't need Dx11 or a 3-monitor display. This is the lowest price one I found without ridiculous rebates link (You might want to pay more for a better company though)
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IppE602 wrote:

Metroids one is good too though the PSU is a overkill, 500W would suffice mighty fine.

I chosoe that because
1 - it was cheap.
2 - It can easily handle more power hungry hardware in the future if Derekku upgrades which is the basis of the build I came up with.
3 - Same PSU as me. :3
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Ketchup wrote:

Loginer wrote:

How does $490.88 sound?

http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/Publi ... r=11843031
Loginers suggestion is almost exactly what I would have suggested.
Being very redundant here, but again, for 10$ less, you can get spinpointF3 which is quite a bit better than caviar blue, and again, this combo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDeal ... mbo.418941

subbing these two, you get the exact same thing for 40$ less.
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Okay, so let's see...

Mobo
CPU
RAM
PSU/CDVD
HDD
Case

All of this totals under $400, but I'm still deciding on a GPU. I don't want something crappy with horrible reviews, and would rather pay a bit more for something that works kinda well and that won't become obsolete soon I suppose... Could I get a few more opinions on that (and on the setup as a whole to make sure everything will work together)?

Also, I'll ask again since I didn't see an answer to this: I will need a wireless network card, right? xd
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If you want to connect via wireless, then yes you will need something else, be it a USB Wireless Adapter or one that goes in a PCI slot (both of these things are pretty cheap).

The motherboard has built in LAN though, so you don't have to buy anything extra if you can connect wired.
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I've heard a lot of bad things about Lite-ON drives failing, but if that's fine with you, that build looks good. As for a graphics card, this one should serve you well.

If you need instructions on how to build the computer, check out this site.
http://www.pcityourself.com/building/introduction.php
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If you are going with that processor, you might as well try to unlock it and get a quad core out of it. Make sure you have a better cooler if choose to do it (something like this will work if you are on a budget, or you can use this if you want one of the best coolers air cooling can offer)

On graphics, I still recommend something slightly higher end like a 4850
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Mobo
CPU
RAM
PSU/CDVD
HDD
Case
GPU

Subtotal: ~$450 including shipping.

+100 for 64-bit Windows 7
+50 for mouse/keyboard/speakers (okay probably more than 50 but i'm rounding)

Total: ~$600.

I'll probably be ordering stuff tonight, so thanks again, osu!. <33
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Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
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Ph0X wrote:

Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
Just 10$?

I remember when that set (though the light blue version, whatever the difference is (it was 800 though)) was 40$. =[
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strager wrote:

Ph0X wrote:

Any other suggestion on the ram?
I got pretty the same ram 2-3years ago for 10$ less
Just 10$?

I remember when that set (though the light blue version, whatever the difference is (it was 800 though)) was 40$. =[
Yea, that was last year though. I remember it got really low, not sure why it went back up like this.
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Well I know RAM prices in general went up since the previous year. If I remember correctly, the prices for the memory chips themselves went up, but not sure of the reason for that.
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DDR3.
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Finally just ordered it. God I'm so indecisive. Still need to get a set of speakers, a mouse, and a keyboard, though. I almost had some sexy speakers picked out but noooooo I need to keep doubting my choice. xd *falls asleep*
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fffff of course there's good sales the morning after I order my stuff.

1TB cavier black drive $10 off, making it only $10 more than the Spinsmithpoint F3 fffffff

Also, 4GB ram $8 cheaper alksfa oh well x-x
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Update: Got the rig built today (after various problems which I'll explain tomorrow), got it to POST, and am now checking the temperatures to make sure the heatsink (that bitch) was installed right. Successsss *collapses*
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Yay, Derekku Chan!!!!!

I hope enjoy your new build and not suffer any problems. (Now you can go OC it xD)
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Windows 7 is installed and everything seems to be fine thus far. I'll try unlocking those extra cores tomorrow or over the weekend along with trying to transfer everything from my laptop to the big gun. Thanks again, osu! :3
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=]
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Okay, so, I got my case in the mail two Tuesdays ago. However, the same day, I received an e-mail that day from newegg with special promotions. One of the offers was for a better version of the Antec 300: the Antec 300 Illusion. The original case was around $50 including shipping... and so was this one. XPPP I was frustrated since the Illusion has two extra fans (~$30 value) and all but the back case fan have blue LEDs (which I really wanted originally). So, I contacted newegg with my situation and they allowed me to RMA the original case for a refund. Sexy. <3

So, the rest of my parts came the next day (Wednesday), but obviously I had to send the case back so I was unable to start building. I think I got the Illusion case by Friday, but I remembered that I forgot something... The CPU was OEM, so it didn't come in the original box with a stock fan. So, I had to order some type of cooling solution (i.e., the sink/fan that yoshi linked to tyvm). Since it was Friday, though, the order wasn't even processed until Monday, and I didn't get the fan until Wednesday (last week).

So, Wednesday or Thursday of last week I started getting everything together to start building. I practiced putting the heatsink on a few times since the AMD clips to mount it were a bit orzy, but I finally figured it out. Well... I went to put the thermal paste on the CPU and spread it, but it was kinda hard or dried up and just stuck to whatever I tried to spread it with (tried both an old credit card and a plastic sandwich baggie). Cleaned off the CPU with rubbing alcohol, tried again, same thing. At this point I was about to strangle someone, but realized that I'd end up having to blow more money and get some Arctic Silver 5. HOWEVER, it was about 8:45pm and most stores were closing at 9. Fuck. So, I drove up to a Radio Shack nearby just in time to grab a tube. Got home, put it on the CPU, and it spread sooooo nicely. *grumbles about the retarded dried up paste*

blah blah blah [size=85]think you'll be gettin' this nah nah nah[/size ]boring storyline -- Finished building a while later, got the case upstairs to my room, plugged everything in, checked settings in BIOS, installed Windows 7, and passed out. It's been a few days now, and everything seems to be working perfectly. CPU temp is nice and low, other temps are great, fans are pretty and blue, etc. It's so nice to be able to just use my goddamn computer without worrying that it'll overheat every five minutes. My laptop would hit almost 50C when IDLING, so it was a real pain... *grumble*

This was probably a boring story, but thanks again everyone! I really appreciate it. *insert picture of Konata :3ing*

Final list of parts:
Case
Mobo
CPU
Heatsink
RAM
GPU
Internetz
HDD
CDVD
PSU
Mouse
Keyboard
Speakers
Windows 7

Total Cost (after rebates and sans monitor): ~$690

Wheeee
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Post Pic of completed computer when your done :D
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Xanek wrote:

Post Pic of completed computer when your done :D
When I'm not so lazy I'll post one here and in the "post your setup" thread. (maybe tonight xp)
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fff I was about to post

Pix or it didn't happen
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strager wrote:

fff I was about to post

Pix or it didn't happen
No, I just went to allll this trouble for nothing. :v
oddysea682
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I say you should of gotten either the Antec Skeleton Or the Cooler Master Cosmos

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No.

300 is tried and true.
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Expected another "where are the goddamn pics" post. :v
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A Cosmos for this build would be madness. The price is simply ridiculous.
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Derekku Chan wrote:

Expected another "where are the goddamn pics"post. :v
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As Roko said, the cosmos is just way too expensive for this build. Plus if he wanted something that high end, he should probably get a Corsair Obsidian instead. Also, Antec Skeleton is a build meant for benchmarking. Do not even think about using it for a normal build.
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I can't believe you people are actually answering him with seriousness.

He's obviously a complete fucktard, as he just suggested two alienware-like cases that look like shit, are expensive and only retards would buy.
Why not recommend some GAMER MOUSEPAD, RAZER HEADPHONE and 5970 while your at it.

Kids nowadays.
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Ph0X wrote:

5970
x2
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Went ahead and purchased a monitor earlier this week. I'll finally post some pics now that I seem to have everything. :I

EDIT: Also, goddammit @ATI drivers for giving me a headache :I
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Shoulda ordered one of these.



YMMV on price ... 50$ to 500$ to 2000$ new.
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strager wrote:

Shoulda ordered one of these.



YMMV on price ... 50$ to 500$ to 2000$ new.
I don't know, don't you think the disc would kind of get in the way?
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adam2046 wrote:

I don't know, don't you think the disc would kind of get in the way?
It doesn't bother me, really.
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omg picshuress yayyy
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