I take this back, looking back at the people who voted me I don't think any of them seem like scum. Sakura's actions feel very town. Jess is most likely Universal Backup, and Metal Sonic.... is being Metal Sonic.Skullmaster4 wrote:
A good number of people voting me right now are probably mafia. Once I flip town, don't trust any of them. I'm not saying all of them are mafia, that would be stupid. But this feels like a really good chance for the mafia to get out a town. That's why I feel like this wagon may be partially mafia driven.
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If scum NKs Jess, they'd be doing us a big favor there!
Yea,scum nk me will be a bad idea.
They can't get a chance to lower the people if I die
@mod: Universal Backup (acquires >>current<< abilities of first killed town player) - does this mean that unibackup would become a dayvig with no shots left or would it get the role normally?
Probably doesn't matter cause I don't see Skull flipping town, but it'd suck if he did and Jess couldn't be sorted either without the shot. Her being NKd for it would be godsent really.
Probably doesn't matter cause I don't see Skull flipping town, but it'd suck if he did and Jess couldn't be sorted either without the shot. Her being NKd for it would be godsent really.
Topic Starter
If I get what you're saying, in the case an Universal Backup would get the powers of a Town 1-Shot Dayvig that already used his/her shot, it's the equivalent of getting a gun with no bullets left. So it would be the first one.Drezi wrote:
@mod: Universal Backup (acquires >>current<< abilities of first killed town player) - does this mean that unibackup would become a dayvig with no shots left or would it get the role normally?
Hmm, that's interesting.
Unvote
I'm going to wait for GIF to come back and weigh in on this.
I'm going to wait for GIF to come back and weigh in on this.
Proddodge.
I feel like a lot of people are going to get prodded if we don't start a conversation soon.
Anybody uh.. Want to accuse me of something?
I feel like a lot of people are going to get prodded if we don't start a conversation soon.
Anybody uh.. Want to accuse me of something?
MBomb
Two things to say.
1. Sakura, I did say I overlooked the chance of ace being alien avenger somewhere after I posted the list.
2. Skull is town, by the by.
With that said, I'm visiting Korea for few days so I dunno if I should replace out.
1. Sakura, I did say I overlooked the chance of ace being alien avenger somewhere after I posted the list.
2. Skull is town, by the by.
With that said, I'm visiting Korea for few days so I dunno if I should replace out.
Sign,I can't use it.
unvote
unvote
Jess is town
I like Jess
Jess is my friend's name
I like Jess
Jess is my friend's name
Sakura wrote:
Hmm, that's interesting.
That sucks a lot. Boo.
Also quote failed
Also quote failed
ehe
"The town seems to have become frozen. Every once in a while somebody mutters something under their breath, but they have just been standing completely still for an hour now. Odd."
Topic Starter
"The town seems to have become frozen. Every once in a while somebody mutters something under their breath, but they have just been standing completely still for an hour now. Odd."
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
GuyInFreezer V/LA is over.
Frostings is V/LA until December 22th.
Looking for a replacement for pieguyn.
Drezi and DakeDekaane have been prodded.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Votecount 1.12
Skullmaster4 [1] - metal sonic1
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Drezi [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
pieguyn [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [10] - Skullmaster4, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, DakeDekaane, Drezi, , -Magic Bomb , Sakura, Frostings , -[Jess]-
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Skullmaster4 [1] - metal sonic1
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Drezi [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
pieguyn [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [10] - Skullmaster4, pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, DakeDekaane, Drezi, , -Magic Bomb , Sakura, Frostings , -[Jess]-
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
GuyInFreezer V/LA is over.
Frostings is V/LA until December 22th.
Looking for a replacement for pieguyn.
Drezi and DakeDekaane have been prodded.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Nothing to add
MBomb
it's between Frostings/Dake, there isn't really a reason to risk skull now (I still don't get gif's townread there btw).
Vote: Dake
Vote: Dake
never mind let kill drezi
vote: drezi
vote: drezi
i will trust GIF's read on skull
Vote: Frosty
Vote: Frosty
MBomb
i can't choose who to be lynched cas it will effect my role
err? Sounds like you know something.-[Jess]- wrote:
i can't choose who to be lynched cas it will effect my role
Vote: Drezi
For some reason I find this cute yet it sounds like Jess knows Skullmaster is town, idk tbh. Also, Jess, you can choose who to be lynched, just vote whoever you think is scum.-[Jess]- wrote:
thank you for giving your power to me,i will use it well.
vote:Skull
Proddodge.
I really have no heavy scum leans, atm I don't feel in a position to vote. I might look back at this thread tonight when I have time.
I really have no heavy scum leans, atm I don't feel in a position to vote. I might look back at this thread tonight when I have time.
oh nice
too bad I'm not posting until tomorrow evening because in laws ugh
So guys, deadline is starting to run out, we have just about 3 days or so.
no,just my gut feeling.Navizel wrote:
err? Sounds like you know something.-[Jess]- wrote:
i can't choose who to be lynched cas it will effect my role
sign,then
vote:drezi
Welcome to this game Hika
i feel very strongly that drezi is scum
pls vote with me thanks
pls vote with me thanks
this message was specifically targeted towards sakura
but also applies to the rest of you
but also applies to the rest of you
Vote: Drezi
what the hell are you even doing? if you think I'm scum you can make me use my commute, track/target me with whatever MB might have N1 and confirm me when you get No Result LOL.
also I'd be nice if metalsonic actually elaborated on his read for once, because all I've seen so far is "shoot drez thx" "lynch drezi thx I think he's scum" like seriously?
jeez just lynch Dake already.. I addressed everything in his nonsense post against me, and after not having anything left to say, revotes me long after the votes have been reset, only after metalsonic started it.. shows how genuine of a read it is, right.
also I'd be nice if metalsonic actually elaborated on his read for once, because all I've seen so far is "shoot drez thx" "lynch drezi thx I think he's scum" like seriously?
"there there Jess that's cute, come vote the big bad Drezi with me who's being mean to you :<"DakeDekaane wrote:
Vote: DreziFor some reason I find this cute yet it sounds like Jess knows Skullmaster is town, idk tbh. Also, Jess, you can choose who to be lynched, just vote whoever you think is scum.-[Jess]- wrote:
thank you for giving your power to me,i will use it well.
vote:Skull
jeez just lynch Dake already.. I addressed everything in his nonsense post against me, and after not having anything left to say, revotes me long after the votes have been reset, only after metalsonic started it.. shows how genuine of a read it is, right.
Don't you all dare get close to hammering or I'll touch your butts.
This will not confirm your role, you know?Drezi wrote:
what the hell are you even doing? if you think I'm scum you can make me use my commute, track/target me with whatever MB might have N1 and confirm me when you get No Result LOL.
Nor alignment.
finally done examssss
reading now and posting when I get home
reading now and posting when I get home
RIGHT MY BAD, there might be an alien psychotrooper, in which case you'd get no result no matter who you target, and everyone would get no result, every day....
How about you tell me more about your actual scumread on me instead, I'm all ears
How about you tell me more about your actual scumread on me instead, I'm all ears
MBomb
Topic Starter
"Did someone just disappear, and someone completely different appeared in his place?"
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Frostings' V/LA is over.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Votecount 1.13
Drezi [4] - metal sonic1, DakeDekaane, Sakura, -[Jess]-
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
Skullmaster4 [0] -
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Hika [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Skullmaster4, Hika, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, -Magic Bomb- , Frostings ,
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Drezi [4] - metal sonic1, DakeDekaane, Sakura, -[Jess]-
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
Skullmaster4 [0] -
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Hika [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Skullmaster4, Hika, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, -Magic Bomb- , Frostings ,
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Frostings' V/LA is over.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Nobody vote Drezi. If someone does, someone else will have the power to hammer.
I don't really even agree to the Drezi lynch very much. I don't think there has been enough evidence against Drezi.
I don't really even agree to the Drezi lynch very much. I don't think there has been enough evidence against Drezi.
he's a 1-shot commuter
screw evidence
lynch drezi
probably mafia
lynch drezi
probably mafia
Skullmaster4 wrote:
Nobody vote Drezi. If someone does, someone else will have the power to hammer.
I don't really even agree to the Drezi lynch very much. I don't think there has been enough evidence against Drezi.
Please explain why we should be scared of a hammer?
what happened to the skull scumreads lol
the wagons seem town, but they jump so quickly
I'm kinda townreading a lot of people this game, and I can't really find many scummy players x_x
Here's my list
Town
gif Sakura Jess MB
null town
Ms1 Sm4
I'm not sure what to think of Drezi, VCA might be good if he flips town. If he doesn't, well, that's good I guess (though I guess mafia/third faction could be in the votecount if Drezi flips non-town)
Also I'm kinda curious on ms1 if he plays like this every game (kinda like gif but more impatient?)
the wagons seem town, but they jump so quickly
I'm kinda townreading a lot of people this game, and I can't really find many scummy players x_x
Here's my list
Town
gif Sakura Jess MB
null town
Ms1 Sm4
I'm not sure what to think of Drezi, VCA might be good if he flips town. If he doesn't, well, that's good I guess
(though I guess mafia/third faction could be in the votecount if Drezi flips non-town)Also I'm kinda curious on ms1 if he plays like this every game (kinda like gif but more impatient?)
Yes.Frostings wrote:
Also I'm kinda curious on ms1 if he plays like this every game (kinda like gif but more impatient?)
Tho don't worry this is most likely town MS (despite i've only seen scum MS one but his play's pretty different)
It looks like you are not townreading dreziFrostings wrote:
what happened to the skull scumreads lol
the wagons seem town, but they jump so quickly
I'm kinda townreading a lot of people this game, and I can't really find many scummy players x_x
Here's my list
Town
gif Sakura Jess MB
null town
Ms1 Sm4
I'm not sure what to think of Drezi, VCA might be good if he flips town. If he doesn't, well, that's good I guess
Also I'm kinda curious on ms1 if he plays like this every game (kinda like gif but more impatient?)
Pls vote approrpiately. Thanks.
Skull scumreads still exist
Yeah, way to go, we got:
- metalsonic strutting around repeatedly asking people to vote me with still no reasoning at all whatsoever.
- Dake voting me back without being able to write a single line why he thinks I'm scum anymore.
- Jess voting me because she hates me and was nicely asked to, genius..........
- and Sakura voting me because fuck all, even though she's always so big on "forming reads with interactions" yet the only times we've interacted is when _I_ questioned her and that's it. It's rather weird she'd do this, last time I've seen her so lazily just swich her vote to me without having anything to say was when she was scum and went like "lol well, if these guys will lynch him, might aswell just let them".
I don't even think he's scum, just stupid and arrogant which is not a good combination.... but he keeps repeating his shit adamantly (do I have the curse of Setsuen on me or what, Tess last game, now this...) and here looks like that's all it takes to get me mislynched, in this huge lack of interest for the game. I seriously regret signing up, Jess being present should have been warning enough though...
- metalsonic strutting around repeatedly asking people to vote me with still no reasoning at all whatsoever.
- Dake voting me back without being able to write a single line why he thinks I'm scum anymore.
- Jess voting me because she hates me and was nicely asked to, genius..........
- and Sakura voting me because fuck all, even though she's always so big on "forming reads with interactions" yet the only times we've interacted is when _I_ questioned her and that's it. It's rather weird she'd do this, last time I've seen her so lazily just swich her vote to me without having anything to say was when she was scum and went like "lol well, if these guys will lynch him, might aswell just let them".
This is a common mistake, and doesn't prove I'm town btw, someone behaving the usual way is DEAD NULL, but metalsonic seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that I routinely take Jess for a fool and sometimes get useful info out of it, and seems to have based his idiotic read on this, despite clearly not knowing shit here.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
The way he acted towards Jess seemed town to me, similar to how he acted in other games as town with Jess (He even linked them ffs).
I don't even think he's scum, just stupid and arrogant which is not a good combination.... but he keeps repeating his shit adamantly (do I have the curse of Setsuen on me or what, Tess last game, now this...) and here looks like that's all it takes to get me mislynched, in this huge lack of interest for the game. I seriously regret signing up, Jess being present should have been warning enough though...
lolz
i vote you because i want to have your power.not hating.
i vote you because i want to have your power.not hating.
sign,i know you treat me as a fool at all time,but it is not the reason to mislynch you.Drezi wrote:
This is a common mistake, and doesn't prove I'm town btw, someone behaving the usual way is DEAD NULL, but metalsonic seems to be completely oblivious to the fact that I routinely take Jess for a fool and sometimes get useful info out of it, and seems to have based his idiotic read on this, despite clearly not knowing shit here.
I don't even think he's scum, just stupid and arrogant which is not a good combination.... but he keeps repeating his shit adamantly (do I have the curse of Setsuen on me or what, Tess last game, now this...) and here looks like that's all it takes to get me mislynched, in this huge lack of interest for the game. I seriously regret signing up, Jess being present should have been warning enough though...
pls metalmetal sonic1 wrote:
Skullmaster4 wrote:
Nobody vote Drezi. If someone does, someone else will have the power to hammer.
I don't really even agree to the Drezi lynch very much. I don't think there has been enough evidence against Drezi.metal sonic1 wrote:
screw evidence
lynch drezi
probably mafia
if you weren't one of my biggest townreads you would be my biggest scumread
What? ^^^
The above post messed up. A message got cut out and the quotes sort of merged together.
Here is what I meant to respond to with that first quote
Here is what I meant to respond to with that first quote
I feel like since we have all day period to lynch, we should spend the whole time trying to gather information. Ending off discussion early wouldn't really be beneficial.metal sonic1 wrote:
Skullmaster4 wrote:
Nobody vote Drezi. If someone does, someone else will have the power to hammer.
I don't really even agree to the Drezi lynch very much. I don't think there has been enough evidence against Drezi.
Please explain why we should be scared of a hammer?
After what Sakura stated mid game and you all still would rather vote Drezi?
Sorry, I meant to say GIF. Not Sakura.
what kind of discussion or information do you expect to be getting by not hammering?Skullmaster4 wrote:
The above post messed up. A message got cut out and the quotes sort of merged together.
Here is what I meant to respond to with that first quoteI feel like since we have all day period to lynch, we should spend the whole time trying to gather information. Ending off discussion early wouldn't really be beneficial.me wrote:
Please explain why we should be scared of a hammer?
have we gained any "information" from the past 7 days of the day period by not hammering? I don't think so. if you disagree, please show otherwise. i would love to hear it.
in short: hammer away on drezi! drezi is scum~~~
MBomb
We got information out of people like Frostings and Magic Bomb because we didn't just hammer them right away.metal sonic1 wrote:
have we gained any "information" from the past 7 days of the day period by not hammering? I don't think so. if you disagree, please show otherwise. i would love to hear it.
ANY Info we gained past real life day 4 time or so, that's all information that we got because we didn't just hammer someone instantly.
This game is partially over analyzing posts, that's why every message can end up helping the town. You can't say that the only information that matters is concrete evidence. All messages in this game are important in figuring out who is scum.
Eagerness to hammer and end day is a major tip off to someone being mafia. I hope you understand that.
I actually completely agree with this. I kind of forgot that metal never did a full claim- Magic Bomb - wrote:
metal sonic, can you please roleclaim? You claimed mason, but never said whether that was just mason, or had another role attached.
MBomb
ok maybe i worded that wrong.
deadline is in 24 hours. have we gained anything in 24 hours?
deadline is in 24 hours. have we gained anything in 24 hours?
I can think of something we learned in the last 24 hoursmetal sonic1 wrote:
ok maybe i worded that wrong.
deadline is in 24 hours. have we gained anything in 24 hours?
THAT YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA!!!1!!11!
loljk you have a point
I have to agree with the fact that we probably wont learn anything important in the next 24 hours unless we start having some really intense discussion.
Sorry for getting so offensive, I can understand the pain of wording things wrong in mafia games.
I still don't believe completely in the Drezi lynch. If you guys really think its best for the town then its fine.
Metal, you may have missed the message. We want you to full role claim.
I don't have stronger leads atmDrezi wrote:
How about you tell me more about your actual scumread on me instead, I'm all ears
And my opinion hasn't changed at all.
Topic Starter
"Night is coming soon... this discussion will be long."
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
GuyInFreezer has been prodded.
Deadline for D1 is on December 25th, 9:40PM UTC. That is about 41 hours from now on.
Votecount 1.14 (Unchanged)
Drezi [4] - metal sonic1, DakeDekaane, Sakura, -[Jess]-
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
Skullmaster4 [0] -
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Hika [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Skullmaster4, Hika, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, -Magic Bomb- , Frostings ,
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Drezi [4] - metal sonic1, DakeDekaane, Sakura, -[Jess]-
DakeDekaane [1] - Drezi
Skullmaster4 [0] -
- Magic Bomb - [0] -
Frostings [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
Hika [0] -
Navizel [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [6] - Skullmaster4, Hika, GuyInFreezer, Navizel, -Magic Bomb- , Frostings ,
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
GuyInFreezer has been prodded.
Deadline for D1 is on December 25th, 9:40PM UTC. That is about 41 hours from now on.
MBomb
hi, going to vote Drezi after I wake up later
/ignoredSkullmaster4 wrote:
I can think of something we learned in the last 24 hoursmetal sonic1 wrote:
ok maybe i worded that wrong.
deadline is in 24 hours. have we gained anything in 24 hours?
THAT YOU ARE A MEMBER OF THE MAFIA!!!1!!11!
loljk you have a point
I have to agree with the fact that we probably wont learn anything important in the next 24 hours unless we start having some really intense discussion.
Sorry for getting so offensive, I can understand the pain of wording things wrong in mafia games.
I still don't believe completely in the Drezi lynch. If you guys really think its best for the town then its fine.
Metal, you may have missed the message. We want you to full role claim.
Skull might be town though but it seems drezi hasn't posted anything towny of late so it's OK to lynch her
Better lynch than no lynch
Sakura is ther an ISO button on this site
Technically there isn't, but the mod puts links in the OP to ISOlation for every player, they will be in reverse order.metal sonic1 wrote:
Sakura is ther an ISO button on this site
Also
Vote: DakeDekaane
Will switch back to Drezi if a lynch is required but i completely forgot that 1-shot commuter is Town only as long as he's not fake claiming.
What do you expect me to say? This is just stupid, no arguments have been made to speak of and noone even cares about that, with this much interest in the game I don't see Dake getting enough votes before the deadline. Not even sure if me not being lynched here would help if it just means being back to square one D2, wasting +1 day and having to put up with your idiotic tunneling some more....metal sonic1 wrote:
Skull might be town though but it seems drezi hasn't posted anything towny of late so it's OK to lynch her
Hell noone even seems to bat an eye even though Jess made it clear that she's voting me because she wants my role rofl.... I don't even know if it means she's town and unibackup indeed and doesn't care about lynching town for some reason, or scum not realizing how bad this looks, and both are equally terrible possibilities..
huh?
this is important btw
this is important btw
because if the first town player dies,I will get all their power.
If i get a op power,i will dies at night
If I get a useless power,I can't help town
If i get a op power,i will dies at night
If I get a useless power,I can't help town
Jess, tell me why is it more important for you to get Drezi's power than having Drezi alive.
Also, tell me how why you can't help town right now so you need Drezi's power in order to do that.
used gif's post
i have no choiceNavizel wrote:
Jess, tell me why is it more important for you to get Drezi's power than having Drezi alive.
- Magic Bomb - discarded Mafia Traitor Cop for a VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo][idk what his power is]
Ace Timing discarded Mafia Goon for a Supersaint. [Town][dead][Alien]
GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia][idk what is it]
Sakura discarded Vanilla Townie for Tracker.[Town/Mafia][not useful for me]
-[Jess]- discarded Alien One-Shot Psychomagnet for 1-shot Uni Backup.[Town]
DakeDekaane discarded Mafia Goon for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3p/Goo][idk what his power is]
pieguyn discarded Mason Compulsive Bodyguard for Jailkeeper. [Town. Mafia gets no roleblock.][maybe]
Navizel discarded Lynchbait for SMELL something. [Town][what?]
metal sonic1 discarded Town Coroner for a mason. [Town][useless]
Drezi discarded Town Coroner for 1-shot commuter. [Town]
Frostings discarded Town Clairvoyant for VT. [Town/Mafia/Alien/3P/Goo][idk what his power is]
Skullmaster4 discarded Town Cop for 1-shot dayvig. [Town/Mafia][used]
i can't help town right now because i have no power.Also no choice.Navizel wrote:
Also, tell me how why you can't help town right now so you need Drezi's power in order to do that.
Note that I'm not influencing Jess' vote at all, DreziDakeDekaane wrote:
Also, Jess, you can choose who to be lynched, just vote whoever you think is scum.
It's a bit sad that Jess likely won't be getting a power.
@Mod: I'll be V/LA until Dec 27th
and you can't help town with your opinions?-[Jess]- wrote:
i can't help town right now because i have no power.Also no choice.
I wanna say Navi is scum, but I'm always wrong with this in past games
His playstyle reminds me of Cts who I always read correctly
His playstyle reminds me of Cts who I always read correctly
I always can't make good opinionsNavizel wrote:
and you can't help town with your opinions?-[Jess]- wrote:
i can't help town right now because i have no power.Also no choice.
It is hard for me to do it.
There's no way I could be wrong, like, five times in a row, right guys?
Vote: Navizel
all aboard the Navi brigade!
Vote: Navizel
all aboard the Navi brigade!
and that's why I didn't vote Drezi
because someone would slip harder
because someone would slip harder
Also opinions aren't good or bad in this case, as long as you express it, you'll help town just by doing so
But wanting to lynch Drezi just because you want 1 shot commuter makes you sound crazy as hell. He could
Be scum or town, yes, but what about you????
But wanting to lynch Drezi just because you want 1 shot commuter makes you sound crazy as hell. He could
Be scum or town, yes, but what about you????
@Jess
sorry guys, can't post too much for now. Xmas and xmas eve
sorry guys, can't post too much for now. Xmas and xmas eve
Who cares? Stop making excuses.-[Jess]- wrote:
I always can't make good opinions
It is hard for me to do it.
naiiiiiiceFrostings wrote:
There's no way I could be wrong, like, five times in a row, right guys?
Vote: Navizel
all aboard the Navi brigade!
Vote: Drezi
did I make it?
did I make it?
oh fuck wait it's still the 24th. I thought it's already the 25th. oh well.