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MBomb

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Frostings wrote:

also, I still think Navizel is VERY suspicious with how he handled his vote on MB, basically encouraging SM4 (and others) to make a quick hammer, while trying to get townpoints for "saving his shot" when we know full well SM4 saving his shot does nothing because he's likely to get killed N1 if that happens
Why does it matter if he's doing that to a scumread?
Anyone who's scumreading me at this point is an idiot tbh.
MBomb
People want to lynch me to get rid of confusion.
MBomb
@mod: prod anyone who can be prodded, please.
Frostings

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Why does it matter if he's doing that to a scumread?
It matters to me, because I don't know for certain if MB is town or scum, and I don't know for certain if Navi is town or scum. Even in a PR-filled game, day discussion is pretty useful for figuring out who IS town or scum, especially on Day 1, and anyone who suggests ending it quickly makes me scumread them
GuyInFreezer

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Skullmaster is town, Drezi is probably town.

metal sonic1 is probably town too.

Sakura is a null for me right now, not an alien though. (townie points for being against the massclaim at first though).

gif is null-scum (because stupid as fuck massclaim)
Yeah I actually made everyone massclaim only for my own ducking amusement.
Duck your naive comments like that without properly ducking analyzing the entire ducking reason behind why I even suggested that ducking massclaim in a first place you bloody ducking explosive infused with supernatural forces.
GuyInFreezer
You lose if you read the f-word instead of the word describing a fluffy yellow avians btw.
Navizel

Frostings wrote:

GuyInFreezer wrote:

Why does it matter if he's doing that to a scumread?
It matters to me, because I don't know for certain if MB is town or scum, and I don't know for certain if Navi is town or scum. Even in a PR-filled game, day discussion is pretty useful for figuring out who IS town or scum, especially on Day 1, and anyone who suggests ending it quickly makes me scumread them
Can you not? You're just inferring that I want to end the day. Voting someone doesn't necessarily equate to wanting the discussion to end. It's not even a hammer.
MBomb
Honestly, I'm not really a fan of this, the game just feels boring for me and I'm actually getting annoyed for the first time ever.

@mod: Look for a replacement for me, please.
MBomb
My replacement will probably say my role, I'm the only person with this secretive of a playstyle.
Sakura
Don't worry, it's not your fault that you're scum and the setup was broken.
Topic Starter
Zexion
@Magic Bomb: no one is in prod range.

So sleepy... so many books...

Votecount 1.7
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, DakeDekaane, Navizel
Frostings [3] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1,
Ace Timing [1] - -[Jess]-,
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
-[Jess]- [1] - Ace Timing
Navizel [1] - Frostings
Skullmaster4 [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Drezi [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Skullmaster4
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Magic Bomb is being replaced. Looking into it right now
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
MBomb
Actually, you know what, fuck it, I'm staying in. No point finding a replacement for one day.

@mod: I don't need a replacement, sorry about that, got a bit annoyed.
MBomb

Sakura wrote:

Don't worry, it's not your fault that you're scum and the setup was broken.
Is this a scum claim?
MBomb
Honestly, like I said, anyone "scumreading" me at this stage is just scum or stupid.
MBomb
Frostings is probably town. Dake is town. Drezi is probably town. metal sonic1 is town. GIF is probably town. Skullmaster4 is town. I'm town.

That's 7 people, who in my eyes, are probably town.

There's 4 factions.

I would be ridiculously surprised if both mafia and aliens only had one person each.

Chances of Navizel knowing number of goo is high, as it'd be stupid to claim that (if there's any red goo they know you're lying) meaning I have reason to townread them.

Basically, 4 remaining people are most likely all scum or third parties.

I'm fine with lynching any of those 4 remaining people.

So Sakura, pieguy, Jess, and Ace Timing, I'd be fine with a lynch on any.

If you want me to die, let me hammer Ace.
Topic Starter
Zexion

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Actually, you know what, fuck it, I'm staying in. No point finding a replacement for one day.

@mod: I don't need a replacement, sorry about that, got a bit annoyed.

>_>
MBomb
I'm not saying those 4 people are scum for sure, but by PoE and my current reads, they should be scum.

As much as I want to scumread GIF because of the massclaim, after reading through again I kinda understand why.
MBomb
And the clairvoyant claim would be kinda weird to fakeclaim, unless he's mafia clairvoyant but they'd probably want to keep that information to themselves.
MBomb
And yes I do believe both of the other two VT claims, even though I fakeclaimed VT.
metal sonic1
i am starting to think frostings is town from AtE

help me pls
metal sonic1
also the dino

90% the dino
metal sonic1

GuyInFreezer wrote:

You lose if you read the f-word instead of the word describing a fluffy yellow avians btw.


my favorite
DakeDekaane
Unvote
Sakura

metal sonic1 wrote:

i am starting to think frostings is town from AtE

help me pls
If any reactions look townie out of the people that are under scrutinity are MB's, Frosty's still scum.
Sakura
I'd prefer more explanation on his townreads tho.
Sakura
Btw GIF, when you said there's 4 factions does that include town? or is there 4 anti-town factions.
GuyInFreezer
4 including town.

Also why must thou not want dake dead
Sakura
Dunno, Magic Bomb's townreading Dake and Drezi for no reason.
It's weird.
His read flip flopped on you after noticing you couldn't be pushed.

Still prefer Frosty over MB and MB over Dake, but eh, at this point is just a waiting game.

I'm kinda sad because it seems like im gonna be a mislynch option at some point when scum kills everyone townreading me if we fail at lynching them, im just kinda hoping Frosty flips scum otherwise im probably never playing with him again...
This is too much for me to take every single game we are together and you saw how it ended up in vocaloid upick.
Frostings
I'm not even doing anything mean this time :(

Sakura wrote:

im just kinda hoping Frosty flips scum otherwise im probably never playing with him again...
Hope you're half-joking because I got bad news for you....
And it would make me quite sad if you're serious regardless
I mean, I can see why I would be difficult to play with, but I'm not unbearable all the time, right guys?

guys???
metal sonic1
I'm never letting Sakura get lynched
metal sonic1
Ohhhhh haha did not read properly
metal sonic1

Sakura wrote:

metal sonic1 wrote:

i am starting to think frostings is town from AtE

help me pls
If any reactions look townie out of the people that are under scrutinity are MB's, Frosty's still scum.
yeaaaash it's probably because of the Dino


(On a side note I preferred your previous avatar<3)
MBomb

Sakura wrote:

Dunno, Magic Bomb's townreading Dake and Drezi for no reason.
It's weird.
Dake I feel is definitely VT, I just can't see it as a fakeclaim from him.

Drezi's general commenting on the game I like (especially his last post where he brings to attention the only things he can see which would make Sakura change her idea on GIF/pieguy scum.
However, Drezi's general lack of posts bothers me, and that's probably the main reason why it's not a strong townread.
-[Jess]-

Ace Timing wrote:

Vote: Jess
Any reasons of doing this?
-[Jess]-
This game was hard to follow btw
Drezi
Skimmed the last few pages. I couldn't care less about the AtE, but it looks like noone would mind Frostings being killed off right away aside from MB maybe? It makes me hesitant about this tbh.

Also this stuck out:

Sakura wrote:

I'm kinda sad because it seems like im gonna be a mislynch option at some point when scum kills everyone townreading me if we fail at lynching them
Like what's the intent with this? Preemptive AtE basically, indirectly urging everyone townreading Sakura to hurry up and kill off her scumreads, else they'll turn the tables on them, not liking it.
Drezi
Also @MB I don't understand the Jess scumread, I'm pretty sure she was cursing her luck rolling scum again the last game I played with her, doubt she'd pick scum given the choice here + her claim makes it less likely too
Sakura
1) Because obviously that's what's going to happen.
2) She discarded Alien, what makes you think she had a choice?
Sakura
But I just went through Frosty's entire ISO for his reason to scumread me and all I find is this:

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

And would you be so kind to explain why do you think im scum
I got sick intuition that's usually wrong :oops:
On Vocaloid at least he expressed some reasons for scumreading me (i.e. a mistake I made), here he's not expressing anything about his scumread on me and just keeps disagreeing with me on everything, this shows scum trying to prevent town from taking control and eliminating him (In this case since im agreeing with GIF that'd be to try to prevent GIF from gaining supporters for his plan)
Drezi

Sakura wrote:

2) She discarded Alien, what makes you think she had a choice?
I'm not saying she had, but it's likely, 2x scumdraw is the least probable case + there's her claim. I'd be the first one to campaign for her lynch if I thought she had an average or higher chance of being scum -_-
-[Jess]-
How bad is my luck?
Drezi
omg is that a scumclaim?
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

Also @MB I don't understand the Jess scumread, I'm pretty sure she was cursing her luck rolling scum again the last game I played with her, doubt she'd pick scum given the choice here + her claim makes it less likely too
Not a scumread, just PoE of my reads. Might not be best to follow if you're not having the same reads as me, it was more just me saying the lynches i'd be alright with.
metal sonic1
dont like drezi atm........ seems scummy
Drezi
Vote: Jess

You really do have horrible luck, don't you? :S
Skullmaster4
proddodge
Really though, there is like no conversations going on right now, uh...
Don't eat grass?
Stay in school?
k gj
Skullmaster4
Ok, so non banter
Who would be against a dayvig on Drezi?
Navizel?
*I'm just pointing my gun at everyone at this point I swear.*
Sakura
why do you think Drezi is a better shot than the other 2?
Skullmaster4

Sakura wrote:

why do you think Drezi is a better shot than the other 2?
Not saying Drezi is. I am still considering the others. I'm just trying to figure out all of my options, and if everyone is against a certain choice then I know that it would be the wrong choice.
Topic Starter
Zexion
Hey, I think there's a computer on this library!... Damn, it has a password.

Votecount 1.8
- Magic Bomb - [3] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Navizel
Frostings [2] - Sakura, , metal sonic1
-[Jess]- [2] - Ace Timing, Drezi
Ace Timing [1] - -[Jess]-,
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Navizel [1] - Frostings
Skullmaster4 [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Drezi [0] -

No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [2] - Skullmaster4, DakeDekaane
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Ace Timing and pieguyn have been prodded.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Topic Starter
Zexion
PSA: I won't be able to do a votecount until about 24 hours later. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Ace Timing
why are people even voting mb again?
Ace Timing
after reading through ISO, not really feeling the Frosting either.
Navizel

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Ok, so non banter
Who would be against a dayvig on Drezi?
Navizel?
*I'm just pointing my gun at everyone at this point I swear.*
Why exactly? I'm not satisfied with your answer on Sakura. Sounds like a lulz vig.
Ace Timing
@mod: this has probably been asked but what's the deal with non-alignment-specific roles? Do they default to town when chosen?
Topic Starter
Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

@mod: this has probably been asked but what's the deal with non-alignment-specific roles? Do they default to town when chosen?
All roles that lack a non-town alignment (e.g. Cop) are town.
Ace Timing
Vote: Skullmaster
he's too jumpy with his dayvig offers, it looks like he's just offering to vig for the sake of offering, and his explanations for wanting each vig are sort of lackluster.

Makes me think of scum constantly trying to conf town himself by offering up use of his role to affirm that he didn't lie about it, making him seem more town.

I doubt he's fakeclaiming dayvig, I see nothing towny coming from his posts, and I really don't see him trying to figure out the game at all, which is weird, because even anti-town factions have to scum hunt to a degree. I guess his knowledge of not being town (and possibly his teammates as well if he has any) gives him a sort of complacency.
Sakura
Well mafia does have a 1-shot day vig, that's why he better listen or... yeah.
DakeDekaane

Drezi wrote:

Also @MB I don't understand the Jess scumread, I'm pretty sure she was cursing her luck rolling scum again the last game I played with her, doubt she'd pick scum given the choice here + her claim makes it less likely too

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Not a scumread, just PoE of my reads. Might not be best to follow if you're not having the same reads as me, it was more just me saying the lynches i'd be alright with.

Drezi wrote:

Sakura wrote:

2) She discarded Alien, what makes you think she had a choice?
I'm not saying she had, but it's likely, 2x scumdraw is the least probable case + there's her claim. I'd be the first one to campaign for her lynch if I thought she had an average or higher chance of being scum -_-
:!: :!: :!:

-[Jess]- wrote:

How bad is my luck?

Drezi wrote:

omg is that a scumclaim?

Drezi wrote:

Vote: Jess

You really do have horrible luck, don't you? :S
:?: :?: :?:

Vote: Drezi
Frostings
prod dodgerino until tomorrow afternoon
metal sonic1
im convinced
vote: drezi
metal sonic1
also, where's pieguy?
oh yeah, too busy slapping himself
Drezi

DakeDekaane wrote:

quotes
zzzz yes... and?

I explain that I'm assuming she's town, 2x scum draw being least likely, and she asks back just how bad her luck is, basically implying she did get 2x scum roles LOL.
DakeDekaane
That's some crazy twisting.
DakeDekaane
Going to bed, so chitchat will have to wait.
Drezi
:'D
Drezi
in case you're unaware of the ways we handle Jess.
p/4347676
p/4491480 (I've been voting her already here)
-[Jess]-

Drezi wrote:

Vote: Jess

You really do have horrible luck, don't you? :S
Is that you think about me?
-[Jess]-
Horrible luck =/= 2x scumrole

I didn't scumclaim,it just your thought.
metal sonic1
go ahed and shoot drezi thanks
MBomb

metal sonic1 wrote:

go ahed and shoot drezi thanks
Nope. Just because Drezi's way of reading Jess is "different" doesn't mean we should lynch him, as we've seen in the past (shown in the games he linked) it usually works quite well. And honestly, I thought the same thing as Drezi after Jess's reaction.
GuyInFreezer
@Mod: V/LA for few days
pieguyn
I _really_ should not have signed up for this game.

I've very briefly skimmed, am in no state to post/read in-depth right now. why hasn't Skull shot yet?
Skullmaster4

pieguyn wrote:

I _really_ should not have signed up for this game.

I've very briefly skimmed, am in no state to post/read in-depth right now. why hasn't Skull shot yet?
I haven't shot yet because there is no clear target to shoot.
I understand that I need to choose before the end of the day, but seriously he have about a week. Its not like i am in a rush to do it.
I just want to make sure I shoot correctly, I can't stress that enough.
Frostings
oh wtf mafia dayvig exists
Sakura

Skullmaster4 wrote:

pieguyn wrote:

I _really_ should not have signed up for this game.

I've very briefly skimmed, am in no state to post/read in-depth right now. why hasn't Skull shot yet?
I haven't shot yet because there is no clear target to shoot.
I understand that I need to choose before the end of the day, but seriously he have about a week. Its not like i am in a rush to do it.
I just want to make sure I shoot correctly, I can't stress that enough.
And opening up your pool to more possible targets is clearly the right way to go about that.

Frostings wrote:

oh wtf mafia dayvig exists
I will never forget this being a thing ever since Vedith shot his own scum mate with his day vig on a Greater Idea Large and got almost globally townread outta that for a while (only to get shot by different faction)
Frostings
How likely is sm4 swindling us with his "i'm noob, vote who to kill" strats pretending to be inexperienced town dayvig to get massive townpoints all around?
Skullmaster4

Frostings wrote:

How likely is sm4 swindling us with his "i'm noob, vote who to kill" strats pretending to be inexperienced town dayvig to get massive townpoints all around?
I honestly have only played about 7 forum mafia games. I doubt I would have enough skill to pull something like that off.
In fact, I don't think I have ever been mafia, so I would probably be scumslipping all over if I was mafia.
*Granted, I am scumslipping everywhere this game and I'm not mafia.*
Sakura
We gave you 2 options to choose from, why are you trying to increase the number of targets by adding Drezi in? This goes against your proposal of trying to narrow down the best shot, no?
Skullmaster4

Sakura wrote:

We gave you 2 options to choose from, why are you trying to increase the number of targets by adding Drezi in? This goes against your proposal of trying to narrow down the best shot, no?
Because I really don't believe Frostings is scum anymore.
Also because someone did end up suggesting a Drezi dayvig, the idea of dayvigging Drezi isn't really mine.
I understand narrowing down options, but we also need to look from all angles.
Sakura
So do you seriously believe Frosty picked VT over a Town PR?
Do you seriously believe that he has a scumread on me which he never explained?
Do you seriously believe that everything he's been doing comes from a town PoV?
Sakura
Besides if you really believe frosty isnt scum there's still MB, or do you think he's town too?
What do you think of Dake?
Why do you think Drezi's a good shot? You dodged the question when i first asked it.
Sakura
More importantly what has changed since this post:

Skullmaster4 wrote:

Sakura wrote:

why do you think Drezi is a better shot than the other 2?
Not saying Drezi is. I am still considering the others. I'm just trying to figure out all of my options, and if everyone is against a certain choice then I know that it would be the wrong choice.
To make you not want to consider Frosty anymore (i.e. townreading him)
Sakura
I don't really see the Drezi dayvig suggestion you're implying and i've already gone 2 pages before what you mentioned it. The closest thing to it was this post:

metal sonic1 wrote:

dont like drezi atm........ seems scummy
In which case your desire to shoot Drezi looks opportunistic af.
Frostings
Sakura you complain about my static reads on you, but man do you do the same :P
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura you complain about my static reads on you, but man do you do the same :P
Nothing has happened that warrants changing it.
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

Do you seriously believe that everything he's been doing comes from a town PoV?
What have I been doing exactly that makes my play so scum motivated?
Frostings
From my perspective, I've been playing exactly the same as every other game ever (where I was always town)
Sakura
Dunno one thing bothering me is that you were all like "Oh hey i got my favorite role!" then come here and go "Oh i didnt pick the other one because of 50% chance of being mafia" instead of asking the mod and then go like "Oh i prefer VT", you keep changing your story with regards to your role.
Sakura
Another thing bothering me is that im apparently your only scumread and you still haven't voted me, and are still unable to explain your read on me.
Sakura
Let's compare your posts here, and your posts on Vocaloid wrt me:
Frosty's Vocaloid posts about his scumread on me

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

For anyone my vote was 60% policy 40% scumread.
40% sure that Jess is scum based on one post? :roll:

Frostings wrote:

It just looks like you're grabbing the opportunity on an easy mislynch. Am I wrong? :)

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

I'm not godly?
It was a joke :roll:

Sakura wrote:

If i don't say i'm scumreading someone with my vote, my vote automatically is less threatening, your defense of Jess has no reason to be however
You know my vote is on you, right? See, the difference between my vote on you, and your former vote on Jess, is that you want to pressure her by saying "ohohoh yep 40% scum". Like, who even falls for this kind of stuff? But for my vote, I call on your bluff and actually have a reason to backup my pressure on you. This makes my vote more threatening than yours, and I actually get results (your vote against me), unlike you

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Stuff
Or Frostings (town) defends Jess (null) because he doesn't like the mob mentality of quicklynching Jess. Wagoning Jess probably isn't gonna change Jess' behaviour, because her meta is... you know

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

My role is pointless and anti-town in nature... if i use it wrong, and im not confident on using it correctly, it can potentially be used for removing a negative utility PR among town (Like macho or miller), but i dont like risking it when i dont even trust my own ability to read ppl, to top it all off it's a nerfed version of it in which i need majority to utilize it to begin with.

Sakura wrote:

I wouldn't have an issue sacriicing an useless role like mine if it would help clear RB
What's the point in softclaiming this right now?


Sakura wrote:

Also RB's my currently strongest townread, if any sort of interaction would clear him after i flip town
This makes it seem like you think you're getting lynched today
And that's just a small part, I've noticed a distinct lack of doing anything in this game compared to Vocaloid, you're not town.
Topic Starter
Zexion

GuyInFreezer wrote:

@Mod: V/LA for few days
Considering this as three days.

Maybe if I try another... damn, no luck trying to log in. "1234" didn't seem like a good password either...

Votecount 1.9
- Magic Bomb - [3] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Navizel
Drezi [2] - DakeDekaane, metal sonic1
Frostings [1] - Sakura,
-[Jess]- [1] - , Drezi
Ace Timing [1] - -[Jess]-
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Navizel [1] - Frostings
Skullmaster4 [1] - Ace Timing
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -


No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Skullmaster4
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
GuyInFreezer is V/LA until the December 19th.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
Frostings
I think you're too focused on what I said at the beginning of the day, and aren't looking at what I've been doing more recently

Maybe I look like I'm not really helping town, but a bunch of my time was wasted trying to defend myself over the dumb wifom VT pick everyone is freaking out about. I actually lost interest in this game at some point, but I told myself I might as well play for my wincon and have some fun along the way, even with the unsympathetic town against my side.

I pressured MB, got a townslip out of him, and now I'm trying to pressure Navi. It went largely unnoticed because people are still on my tail over whatever happened at the beginning of today
Also, I actually don't think you're scum. I poked you a bit at the start to get a reaction, and really, tunneling me for the entire day is so like you to defend yourself
Sakura
So you're pressuring everyone except your scumread, got it
Sakura
Wait how did MB townslip.
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

So you're pressuring everyone except your scumread, got it
omg I give up there is no hope just lynch me and end my suffering :( :( :( :( :( :(
/s
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

Wait how did MB townslip.
uh, I dunno but if you read MB's posts I doubt that's staged :roll:
Sakura
That's not a townslip.
That's you thinking that he can't fake his reactions and so he must be town because of it.
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

So you're pressuring everyone except your scumread, got it
omg I give up there is no hope just lynch me and end my suffering :( :( :( :( :( :(
/s
What's with this reaction tho.
If you don't scumread me anymore that's fine but admit it or something.
If you do then I want you to do more to try to sort me because you're wrong or scum.
What's bugging me about you is you doing absolutely nothing to try to sort me out but scumreading me for no reason anyways and it just looks like scum waiting for an opportunity to jump in.
Navizel
prod doge
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