i dont mind dake, but i think those 2 are higher chance of scum right now.
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What gif is doing, trying to game the system, makes me not really wanna play this game 
Not anymore, I've always found investigative roles quite hard to be a lie.Navizel wrote:
@Dake, are you still suspecting me?
tbh, I think goo would likely not claim VT, given he has to be targeted, js.
Just do whatever.
I'd rather we use the day for discussion and getting standard reads rather than selecting who to eliminate based on setup spec
I get gif is playing for his wincon, but I'd rather lose and have a good game of mafia where everyone participates, rather than winning and having forced a number of people to suicide
I get gif is playing for his wincon, but I'd rather lose and have a good game of mafia where everyone participates, rather than winning and having forced a number of people to suicide
but I guess we're already nearing that threshold since we got claims out already. I just hope everyone lied about their roles like I did 
I'll probably use my dayvig on one of those two when I get home.
I'll be back in about 8 hours
I'll be back in about 8 hours
Cool a scumclaim
Not @skull btw
Oh also, there's no breaking the game involved here whatsoever.
The massclaim couldve gone horribly wrong, and town lucked out for having a lot of confirmable town-only roles.
This was a big-time risk-or-reward gambit.
With that said, I am pretty sure the only one being lynched purely for setup is Ace.
The massclaim couldve gone horribly wrong, and town lucked out for having a lot of confirmable town-only roles.
This was a big-time risk-or-reward gambit.
With that said, I am pretty sure the only one being lynched purely for setup is Ace.
like tbh
Vote: Ace
Vote: Ace
MBomb
@sm4 You can vig me for picking VT, I already lost motivation to play this game. you're probably gonna die tonight anyways if you don't use your shot and vanillize yourself
here are my reads
town
dake sm4 drezi jess ace
nulltown
pieguy
null
mb
scum/antitown
sakura
Also Gif shouldn't be receiving all the trust he's getting.
I feel like it's kinda obvious who's town and yet we're probably gonna end up killing off a bunch of them.
here are my reads
town
dake sm4 drezi jess ace
nulltown
pieguy
null
mb
scum/antitown
sakura
Also Gif shouldn't be receiving all the trust he's getting.
I feel like it's kinda obvious who's town and yet we're probably gonna end up killing off a bunch of them.
MBomb
Can I just ask about your town read on Drezi? It's the only one I don't really understand (other than that nulltown on pie but that's something everyone except me seems to have). I'm not saying I'm scumreading Drezi or anything, but it doesn't seem like he's done much, especially not enough for a town read.Frostings wrote:
@sm4 You can vig me for picking VT, I already lost motivation to play this game. you're probably gonna die tonight anyways if you don't use your shot and vanillize yourself
here are my reads
town
dake sm4 drezi jess ace
nulltown
pieguy
null
mb
scum/antitown
sakura
Also Gif shouldn't be receiving all the trust he's getting.
I feel like it's kinda obvious who's town and yet we're probably gonna end up killing off a bunch of them.
I would replace out, but I think it's unfair to give someone a shitty VT role given a mass claim on day 1
drezi gets a townread from me because he's preferring discussion rather than following orders like half the people here
I think gif is playing typical gif, and pie publicly following along (with massclaims) then finding his own scumreads is by-the-book pie play.
they're both likely town, though I wouldn't be surprised if pie flipped scum or third party. jail keeper is hard to claim though imo
they're both likely town, though I wouldn't be surprised if pie flipped scum or third party. jail keeper is hard to claim though imo
I've been having trouble for getting a townread on a lot of people, but I think it's because I've only considered 50% of the playerbase to be town. If I allow the possibility of only 3-4 antitown roles this game, it might be more acceptable, though I might have to think about my reads better
wrong.GuyInFreezer wrote:
Provable roles that can be mafia.GuyInFreezer discarded Baby Alien Monarch for Town Clairvoyant.[Town/Mafia]
we have no way of proving gif's number of alignments (until everyone dies lol). gif's clairvoyant is not a proveable role
but a good plus point is that gif is assuming self to be town
i find thsi game fun and i think frosting's issues with 'gaming the system' is bullshit
of course i have a tendency to enjoy gaming the system too so maybe its a different point of view.....
of course i have a tendency to enjoy gaming the system too so maybe its a different point of view.....
the only thing not wanting me to blast frosting's head off is his very cute dino avatar
that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
there is literally no way GIF is scum this game
metal sonic1 wrote:
that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle
p/4733572 is clearing or at least attempting to clear a crapton of ppl to make this easy game for town, this kind of play is suicide for scum, there's zero scum motivation and a ton of town motivation and the only ppl who would be against this strategy is the scum that are getting caught by the PoE.
Says the person who scumreads me every game.Frostings wrote:
metal sonic1 wrote:
that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle
Sakura wrote:
Says the person who scumreads me every game.
Frostings wrote:
Sakura just targets me every game it's getting kinda old
Also I fail to see the connection between your comment and the comment you quoted
this isnt town v scumSakura wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/p/4733572 is clearing or at least attempting to clear a crapton of ppl to make this easy game for town, this kind of play is suicide for scum, there's zero scum motivation and a ton of town motivation and the only ppl who would be against this strategy is the scum that are getting caught by the PoE.
this is town v mafia v 3rd party v goo v dingdong v idiots
thats a bad thingFrostings wrote:
metal sonic1 wrote:
that said, the dayvig dude should blast frosting's head off
once you see my reveal as VT, you'll be so confused and question everything about my playstyle
we can have less bad things in this game
therefore you must be eliminated YN?
Considering you read me as scum every game, you should already be questioning everything about my playstyle, but this is not the case, you're not trying to read me, you're just assinging me an alignment and reading me as such, therefore you're scum.Frostings wrote:
Sakura wrote:
Says the person who scumreads me every game.Frostings wrote:
Sakura just targets me every game it's getting kinda old
Also I fail to see the connection between your comment and the comment you quoted
Your VT pick over Town PR doesn't make sense either, therefore you're scum.
Your preference of wanting to discuss over killing scum via strategy without pointing out the flaws in the strategy is tied to scum worried about being found out by said strategy, therefore you're scum.
Do i need to say any more?
Me reading you scum "every game" is a complete overstatement and you know it
If I was scum, why would I claim VT over any other other role (from the list of every possible role in the game which I conveniently have access to) when I know full well that what I discarded would be public to view?
So I can enjoy the comfort of people believing I'm useless? I mean, I probably have no thought process, but I'm not completely oblivious. Why would I purposely make myself so obviously suspicious if I wasn't telling the truth?
The fact that I claimed picking VT over a different role makes me stupid probably, but it's not indicative of scum.Sakura wrote:
Your VT pick over Town PR doesn't make sense either, therefore you're scum.
If I was scum, why would I claim VT over any other other role (from the list of every possible role in the game which I conveniently have access to) when I know full well that what I discarded would be public to view?
So I can enjoy the comfort of people believing I'm useless? I mean, I probably have no thought process, but I'm not completely oblivious. Why would I purposely make myself so obviously suspicious if I wasn't telling the truth?
Maybe I'm just traditional and prefer a different playstyleSakura wrote:
Your preference of wanting to discuss over killing scum via strategy without pointing out the flaws in the strategy is tied to scum worried about being found out by said strategy, therefore you're scum.
Actually I usually don't do setup stuff because it bores me.Frostings wrote:
I think gif is playing typical gif, and pie publicly following along (with massclaims) then finding his own scumreads is by-the-book pie play.
they're both likely town, though I wouldn't be surprised if pie flipped scum or third party. jail keeper is hard to claim though imo
But cracking idea is a bad setup for scum because not many scum roles are intertwined with town roles (no mafia roleblocker in the setup. Enough said really), clairvoyant is broken as hell once chosen (because a major factor that hinders town from winning in a setup like this is not knowing how many alignments there are), we were lucky to even have a smell town who identified one alignment as a one lonely grey goo, and most of the claimed t own roles are either provable or can only be town, or both.
Normally in a setup like this, there can be as much as an simple optimization. This time, the chosen setup leaned heavily in town's favor. Heck, even knowing that one alignment can't kill is a huge advantage.
Actually, I have no problem with you choosing a VT over clairvoyant. It's the other thing I have problems with.
Why would I purposely make myself so obviously suspicious if I wasn't telling the truth?Wasn't your reason because you didn't know if the clairvoyant you got was town or scum?
Oh btw at this point I'm sure it's town/mafia/alien/goo.
Me not knowing if it would be scum or town-aligned played a small factor in my choice, yeah
But I'm saying I would have zero incentive to claim VT if I was any anti-town role since it would cause a lot of preventable suspicion like it's doing now
But I'm saying I would have zero incentive to claim VT if I was any anti-town role since it would cause a lot of preventable suspicion like it's doing now
Topic Starter
As the wiki says, any player who targets a Grey Goo would "lose all powers and win with goo's", so that's a "Vanilla Goo" if you would like to see it that way.Navizel wrote:
@mod, does the player who targets the Grey Goo becomes just a simple goo?
Why do I fear this is going to end in a gunfight...? I can't focus on my mathematics anymore!
Votecount 1.6
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings, DakeDekaane
Frostings [4] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1, Navizel
Ace Timing [2] - -[Jess]-, Ace Timing
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4 [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Skullmaster4,
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
- Magic Bomb - [4] - pieguyn, GuyInFreezer, Frostings, DakeDekaane
Frostings [4] - Sakura, Drezi, metal sonic1, Navizel
Ace Timing [2] - -[Jess]-, Ace Timing
pieguyn [1] - -Magic Bomb -
Skullmaster4 [0] -
metal sonic1 [0] -
DakeDekaane [0] -
Sakura [0] -
-[Jess]- [0] -
GuyInFreezer [0] -
Navizel [0] -
Drezi [0] -
No Lynch [0] -
Not Voting [1] - Skullmaster4,
With 12 alive, it's 7 to lynch.
Please tell me if there are any mistakes.
Deadline for D1 is on December 24th, 9:40PM UTC.
MBomb
Seeing as no one seemed to comment on it, gonna post so people don't forget.
I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.
My role is not provable except in circumstances where a townie is lying about their role. Only person I can see doing this is Frostings, and I doubt he would hide his role if it was the one that would prove my role.
And no, I'm not roleclaiming.
I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.
My role is not provable except in circumstances where a townie is lying about their role. Only person I can see doing this is Frostings, and I doubt he would hide his role if it was the one that would prove my role.
And no, I'm not roleclaiming.
MBomb
Honestly, my motivation at this point is making me unwilling.
pieguy is scum.
I have a slight feeling Ace might be a fakeclaiming grey goo, but it's not a strong enough feeling, and is literally only because claiming supersaint means either someone has to target you or someone has to die, and town usually wouldn't let someone die so easily. But Ace's non-reluctance to get lynched points me away from this.
So basically, I have no idea who grey goo could be, but it may be good to try to speculate, as we don't want people targetting people just to get turned into grey goo N1 and have like 3 grey goos already at that point.
pieguy is scum.
I have a slight feeling Ace might be a fakeclaiming grey goo, but it's not a strong enough feeling, and is literally only because claiming supersaint means either someone has to target you or someone has to die, and town usually wouldn't let someone die so easily. But Ace's non-reluctance to get lynched points me away from this.
So basically, I have no idea who grey goo could be, but it may be good to try to speculate, as we don't want people targetting people just to get turned into grey goo N1 and have like 3 grey goos already at that point.
MBomb
look at this
VT claimers slowly changing their claims.
VT claimers slowly changing their claims.
MBomb
Ok. I think I am going to shoot MB soon.
I will do it in an hour from this message, so if anyone has an objection please tell me now.
I will do it in an hour from this message, so if anyone has an objection please tell me now.
Surprising!- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.
MBomb
MB
Please just claim your role now. If you don't claim you will die, and if you do claim you still have a low chance of surviving but not as bad
Please just claim your role now. If you don't claim you will die, and if you do claim you still have a low chance of surviving but not as bad
MBomb
MBomb
Here, I'll help. Save your 1-shot dayvig, Skull.
Vote: Magic Bomb
Vote: Magic Bomb
MBomb
oh geez- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I have no problem with you killing me. Firstly, it'll clear up some confusion, secondly, it'll at least stop you from turning into grey goo.
uh
Is this a claim of grey goo or some claim against it?
I actually don't understand what the "Secondly" means.
Ok, so should we do our old plan of having MB Hammer Ace Timing and then I kill Frostings?
lol this post is pretty suicidal- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Seeing as no one seemed to comment on it, gonna post so people don't forget.
I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.
My role is not provable except in circumstances where a townie is lying about their role. Only person I can see doing this is Frostings, and I doubt he would hide his role if it was the one that would prove my role.
And no, I'm not roleclaiming.
I actually think it's very antitown to fakeclaim whenever massclaims are happening, even if they occur on Day 1, since they're usually always town-driven. You'd need a really good reason, and a provable role, to fake your claim as town
This post was trying to bait any fakeclaimers from outing themselves, especially the other two VT claims
I love how Frosty changes his story every other post.
3 people are dying today, 1 by dayvig, Ace and 1 by hammering Ace.
The dayvig must go first since the lynch ends the day (and scum could kill him)
3 people are dying today, 1 by dayvig, Ace and 1 by hammering Ace.
The dayvig must go first since the lynch ends the day (and scum could kill him)
No, we're gonna lose 2-3 town on Day 1 if that happens. Plus, doing it in that order doesn't even work because MB's hammer is gonna end the day.Skullmaster4 wrote:
Ok, so should we do our old plan of having MB Hammer Ace Timing and then I kill Frostings?
I think dayvig is something you would fakeclaim, because it's 100% provable and outs you confirmed town once used. Normally you shouldn't dayvig on Day 1, but now we're in a strange situation it probably should happen lest we risk you getting NKd right away
tbh skull idc which of the 2 you shoot, the other will hammer ace or be lynched. The dayvig must be used today or risk dying during the night before you can use it.
So he would fake claim something 100% provable, and it outs him as confirmed town?Frostings wrote:
I think dayvig is something you would fakeclaim, because it's 100% provable and outs you confirmed town once used. Normally you shouldn't dayvig on Day 1, but now we're in a strange situation it probably should happen lest we risk you getting NKd right away
WHat the hell?
c'mon Sakura, that was some brilliant AtE on my part. I gotta make scum feel more comfortable admitting to fakeclaimingSakura wrote:
I love how Frosty changes his story every other post.
MBomb
MBomb
MBomb
I don't care if it's suicidal. My initial reason for fakeclaiming failed because town were stupid af.Frostings wrote:
lol this post is pretty suicidal- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Seeing as no one seemed to comment on it, gonna post so people don't forget.
I'm not VT. That was a fakeclaim.
My role is not provable except in circumstances where a townie is lying about their role. Only person I can see doing this is Frostings, and I doubt he would hide his role if it was the one that would prove my role.
And no, I'm not roleclaiming.
I actually think it's very antitown to fakeclaim whenever massclaims are happening, even if they occur on Day 1, since they're usually always town-driven. You'd need a really good reason, and a provable role, to fake your claim as town
This post was trying to bait any fakeclaimers from outing themselves, especially the other two VT claims
What? If I were dayvig, I would fakeclaim a different role (say VT), then when the time comes for me to make a day kill, I would claim dayvig, use it, and it would prove my role and confirm me townSakura wrote:
So he would fake claim something 100% provable, and it outs him as confirmed town?
WHat the hell?
MBomb
MBomb
Frostings will be shot in 15 minutes
*sorry I just wanted to make a really ominous post*
Also, I don't think MB is scum. I can explain why in a bit.
*sorry I just wanted to make a really ominous post*
Also, I don't think MB is scum. I can explain why in a bit.
claims wasn't too bad, I actually got solid reads from it.
Also @SM4, there is absolutely no rush. We have 10 days to think it over
Also @SM4, there is absolutely no rush. We have 10 days to think it over
oh wtf rip meSkullmaster4 wrote:
Frostings will be shot in 15 minutes
*sorry I just wanted to make a really ominous post*
Also, I don't think MB is scum. I can explain why in a bit.
Explain to me very clearly why I'm going to be shot in 15 minutes
If your reasoning is sound, I will die with dignity
Otherwise,
If your reasoning is sound, I will die with dignity
Otherwise,
-Magic Bomb- wrote:
And before anyone asks, yes, I'm salty af.
Wouldn't it be funny if my whole 1-Shot day Vigilante claim was a lie and I have really just been stalling out my "kill" so I could get information and this has all been a huge gambit?
SPOILER
its not, but that would be funny
MBomb
if it was then people would lynch you because apparently you can't fakeclaim as town lmaoSkullmaster4 wrote:
Wouldn't it be funny if my whole 1-Shot day Vigilante claim was a lie and I have really just been stalling out my "kill" so I could get information and this has all been a huge gambit?SPOILERits not, but that would be funny
despite the fact d1 massclaim is fucking stupid
This is no time for jokes sm4 my life is on the line !!!
*cough cough*Frostings wrote:
Also @SM4, there is absolutely no rush. We have 10 days to think it over
Just think Sm4,
How will you cope with life knowing you vanilllized yourself over some dumb idiot who thought it would be funny to choose VT over another "superior" role?
You'll live knowing you've been manipulated by the very people who you think are your friends, when in reality they just wanted to use your role for their purposes only, and you can only sit back and watch helplessly as your shot gets wasted and the scum laugh at their cunning and flawless plans of taking advantage of your innocent and naive self
How will you cope with life knowing you vanilllized yourself over some dumb idiot who thought it would be funny to choose VT over another "superior" role?
You'll live knowing you've been manipulated by the very people who you think are your friends, when in reality they just wanted to use your role for their purposes only, and you can only sit back and watch helplessly as your shot gets wasted and the scum laugh at their cunning and flawless plans of taking advantage of your innocent and naive self
I wouldn't be surprised if MB is the Goo, given Goo (regardless who is this) is cornered already.
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Ok but on a serious note, chill out with that gun man. Don't go waving that thing around, it's loaded and very dangerous. No need to be so trigger-happy
MBomb
oh wait
you actually thought I would shoot you
No, I was just fishing for reactions. I know we have all day to figure this out.
Sorry, I know its a bit mean, but then again actually shooting you would be meaner.
I don't 100% believe you are evil. And that's why I want to wait on this.
you actually thought I would shoot you
No, I was just fishing for reactions. I know we have all day to figure this out.
Sorry, I know its a bit mean, but then again actually shooting you would be meaner.
I don't 100% believe you are evil. And that's why I want to wait on this.
*Starts waving gun around wildly* "BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS HOW YOU PLAYED VIGILIANTE"Frostings wrote:
Ok but on a serious note, chill out with that gun man. Don't go waving that thing around, it's loaded and very dangerous. No need to be so trigger-happy
Oh, yeah, haha. Yeah, I knew you were just kiddingSkullmaster4 wrote:
oh wait
you actually thought I would shoot you
No, I was just fishing for reactions. I know we have all day to figure this out.
Haha. Yeah..
We already know everything about the Goo faction, it's a single one, and a Grey one. If PRs doesn't target anyone for the until Day 3, we're pretty much safe of converting us into Goos, Goo's only hope is Mafia/Alien targetting them, but I don't think they would take the risk to target anyone, when they're currently in disadvantage too.
MBomb
OUR PLAN WAS A SUCCESS
Explain why you put MB on L-1 with 10 days left to goNavizel wrote:
Here, I'll help. Save your 1-shot dayvig, Skull.
Vote: Magic Bomb
MBomb
They'd maybe target someone who proved their roles.DakeDekaane wrote:
We already know everything about the Goo faction, it's a single one, and a Grey one. If PRs doesn't target anyone for the until Day 3, we're pretty much safe of converting us into Goos, Goo's only hope is Mafia/Alien targetting them, but I don't think they would take the risk to target anyone, when they're currently in disadvantage too.
Oh is that L-2? OH RIP AWKWARDFrostings wrote:
OUR PLAN WAS A SUCCESSExplain why you put MB on L-1 with 10 days left to goNavizel wrote:
Here, I'll help. Save your 1-shot dayvig, Skull.
Vote: Magic Bomb
If pieguy is truly Jailkeeper then we're safe.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
They'd maybe target someone who proved their roles.DakeDekaane wrote:
We already know everything about the Goo faction, it's a single one, and a Grey one. If PRs doesn't target anyone for the until Day 3, we're pretty much safe of converting us into Goos, Goo's only hope is Mafia/Alien targetting them, but I don't think they would take the risk to target anyone, when they're currently in disadvantage too.
if.
Dammit MB, you baited me with your "I can hammer myself to help town lulz"
goo goo gooAce Timing wrote:
if.