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Bastard Mini II - Game Over (Town wins)

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Zexion
Because you can't give town pass for newbness on bastard games, I never once believed Batu could be town only because it was his first game or playstyle, for all I knew he could have changed alignment overnight.

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I can't use my other ability while I conmute obviously, but I don't know what it does so...
Didn't really answer my question. What I'm asking is if it's X-shot or something like non-consecutive.
I can conmute every night.
Zexion
Vote: Navizel
Navizel
Townreading Frostings. Sakura might be a third party. Null-scum Jess and Zexion.
Navizel

Zexion wrote:

I can conmute every night.
Did you use it on Night 1?
Zexion
Why is that important
Navizel
Because.
Zexion
Reasons?
Sakura
Frosty: It is important obviously, it surely could be a wrong read, but you're ignoring the fact that I kept pushing Batu Day 1 and now you're saying that i'm the 2nd scummiest, and your read on me is static despite everything.
Adding all this up makes me think you're scum.
Navizel
Just because.
Zexion
If I tell you I didn't, how would that change the game?
Sakura
Ftr: The fact that Zexion commuted makes my results today totally worthless.

(He couldn't kill Navizel with my ability if he's mafia and Navizel couldn't kill him if he was mafia)
Navizel
Something about roles.
Sakura
Also the fact that im Frosty's 2nd scummiest read, and he's trusting my result on Navizel, is all kinds of sketch

Frosty is scum, help me lynch him.
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

Frosty: It is important obviously, it surely could be a wrong read, but you're ignoring the fact that I kept pushing Batu Day 1 and now you're saying that i'm the 2nd scummiest, and your read on me is static despite everything.
Adding all this up makes me think you're scum.
Here's what I think nya:

I think Jess is town and you're a third party, not necessarily scum, and I'm trying to figure out if your win condition is town-sided or not.
If I were to compare you and Jess only in terms of traditional scum behaviour, you'd have more scum points than Jess
Sakura
You're going to explain that 2nd sentence because not only that is false, but also i'm not a third party either, sooo
Navizel
Why are there no kills if Frostings is scum?
Zexion
I hate using meta, but on Dake's Bastard Mini I the post-restrictioned cat was also cult. Do you think he would do it twice?

But on scumminess yeah, frostings comes first then Navi for his intense role fishing.
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

Also the fact that im Frosty's 2nd scummiest read, and he's trusting my result on Navizel, is all kinds of sketch
Where are you getting the idea that I'm trusting your results? nya
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

But on scumminess yeah, frostings comes first then Navi for his intense role fishing.
I do agree with this.
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Also the fact that im Frosty's 2nd scummiest read, and he's trusting my result on Navizel, is all kinds of sketch
Where are you getting the idea that I'm trusting your results? nya

Frostings wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Plus we know that Jess is not scared to bus.
If I ignore your results, I actually think Navizel is the scummiest, and Jess is more town than you.
Also if you knew your action on Day1 got cancelled, why not say so?

nya
Sakura
>Thinks navizel is scummiest if he ignores my result
>Doesn't vote navizel
Conclusion:
>is not ignoring my results
Sakura
Oh yeah i forgot to mention i can't be cult recruited, my role specifically mentions that. So Zexion might be right about there being a cult.
Navizel

Zexion wrote:

I hate using meta, but on Dake's Bastard Mini I the post-restrictioned cat was also cult. Do you think he would do it twice?

But on scumminess yeah, frostings comes first then Navi for his intense role fishing.
Okay. The thing is I also have another power which can disable abilities that can cause damage. If you used your commute last Night 1, your scumpoints would lessen. The fact that there were no nightkills yet make me townread Frostings. And by the way, I targeted Jess last night.
Frostings

Sakura wrote:

>Thinks navizel is scummiest if he ignores my result
>Doesn't vote navizel
Conclusion:
>is not ignoring my results
2what

uhhhhhh sick reasoning there nya
Sakura
On a serious note, if i wasn't town i'd be fueling the 1v1 navi and zexion are having instead of trying to get you lynched.
Zexion
I have no actions that could "damage" others, unless you count the mysterious one which I used on D1 and caused a flower rain. (Yeah, that was me).

Honestly I have a hard time believing how convienent Navi's role is.
Zexion
Man I can't take my own words seriously with this christmas avatar.
-[Jess]-
[color=#FF0000*guys I have a box but I don't know what it does.][/color]
-[Jess]-

-[Jess]- wrote:

*guys I have a box but I don't know what it does.
Zexion
Pandora's box?
-[Jess]-
*but I can't open it.
Navizel
Pretty sure we all know opening the Pandora's Box is not a good idea.
Sakura
i did receive a box N1 too now that i remember it, it's not a pandora's box tho, just a box.
Navizel
I feel like it's for Frostings assuming it does anything.
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
It's currently: Day 3
Current weather: Partially cloudy
Alive players: 5

Votecount:
DakeDekaane (1) - Navizel
Frostings (1) - Sakura
Navizel (1) - Zexion
Night will fall in 132 hours. (Dec 18th 18:30 UTC)
Frostings

Navizel wrote:

I feel like it's for Frostings assuming it does anything.
No clue what they're for nya

Zexion wrote:

Honestly I have a hard time believing how convienent Navi's role is.
tbh commuter is a pretty safe claim too *shrug*
Navizel
Schrodinger hue
Zexion
Why would I prefer to commute instead of killing people if I was scum lol, unless you think I'm a survivor commuter or something like that.

Besides I wanted to cause another flower rain with my other ability to prove it but something else happened.
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

Why would I prefer to commute instead of killing people if I was scum lol
This is true.
Sakura
Also, no commuter is in no way close to a "safe" claim, since it can be proven, can we lynch Frostings now pls.
Frostings

Zexion wrote:

Why would I prefer to commute instead of killing people if I was scum lol, unless you think I'm a survivor commuter or something like that.
What? I'm saying it's possible to fake claim commuter given what's happened (no night kills). Maybe I'm not understanding something nya :(
I don't think you're faking anyways, I was just pointing it out

Sakura wrote:

Also, no commuter is in no way close to a "safe" claim, since it can be proven, can we lynch Frostings now pls.
How can it be proven in this setup? can you explain because I actually don't know :)
Sakura

Frostings wrote:

How can it be proven in this setup? can you explain because I actually don't know :)
That would involve you knowing the setup, if he's commuting he can't be targeted by anything which means just like me, he can't be recruited into anything.
Zexion
Vote: Fostings
Frostings
I'm the cat man
I got a PR and a one-shot ability that's anti-town to claim. I haven't used it yet meow
-[Jess]-
*I am Chara,and I have a shot of erase someone.
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
It's currently: Day 3
Current weather: Partially cloudy
Alive players: 5

Votecount:
DakeDekaane (1) - Navizel
Frostings (1) - Sakura, Zexion [L-1]

Not voting: -[Jess]-, Frostings.
Night will fall in 108 hours. (Dec 18th 18:30 UTC)
Frostings

Zexion wrote:

Why would I prefer to commute instead of killing people if I was scum lol, unless you think I'm a survivor commuter or something like that.
I think you're misunderstanding something meow
If you were a scum commuter, you would make the night kills instead of commuting.
If you were scum, but not a commuter, and you tried to make night kills and they failed, you could claim you were town commuter and commuted every night, which, in my opinion, would be a safe claim
Sakura
If that was the case Magic Bomb wouldn't have died.
Frostings
and why is that meow
Sakura
Magic bomb died from a day kill by batu, if scum was able to do a night kill during N1 and a day kill the next day then this game's unbalanced as heck, considering it was a 7p game at day start, it's also entirely likely batu was the only mafia, considering my role PM hints to the existance of cult.
Frostings
Yo Sakura, here's a serious question
Why would Dake tell us very explicitly that Batu killed MB? It's not even an "official" announcement, it just looks like part of the flavor meow

DakeDekaane wrote:

A grudge? A mission? No one would know what happened.

What everyone saw was how Batujitsu hurried to lit a Molotov cocktail and throwed it recklessly to - Magic Bomb -. His steel body, resistant to everything, couldn't help but serve as an oven for his delicate circuits.


- Magic Bomb -, the Robot has been put on fire, and died.
Sakura
Because Bastard game, it's entirely possible batu knew (or didnt know due to hidden factor) that his name would show up.
Zexion
Can we lynch someone now

Either Navi or Frostings is fine to me.

Honestly I see no point in continuing this discussion. We need something to happen.
Navizel
Alright. Vote:Frostings

Whatever. In case my disable actually does something.. Frostings and Sakura are the only people I haven't targeted yet.
Zexion

Navizel wrote:

Alright. Vote:Frostings

Whatever. In case my disable actually does something.. Frostings and Sakura are the only people I haven't targeted yet.
But I guess my commute resolves first so... not likely Sakura could have matched us.
Zexion
In the case you disabled me last night.
Navizel
I didn't. I targeted you Night 1. Jess was Night 2.
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
Votecount:
Frostings (3) - Sakura, Zexion, Navizel [L-0]

Not voting: -[Jess]-, Frostings.
"Nananananananana~ Nananananananana~ Catman!"

"Shut up!"

*meow*


Frostings, the Cat God Worshipper, has been lynched.

It's currently: Night 3

Send your actions via PM to the Game Master.

Sun will rise in 24 hours. (Dec 16th 04:00 UTC)
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
Another peaceful night...

"Not this night, buddy."

"Oh, hi!"

*splish splash*


Navizel, the Matchmaking Machine, has been killed.

It's currently: Day 4
Current weather: Partially cloudy
Alive players: 3

Votecount:
No one is voting
Night will fall in 144 hours. (Dec 22nd 06:00 UTC)
Sakura
Huh, did navizel copy my role or something?
Nevertheless i targeted both navi and jess last night
Zexion
Jess, did you "erase" Navi last night?

Sakura, why did Navizel had your role? I think you may know a bit more about this.
Sakura
Im guessing Navizel got my role when i targeted him N2 as per his post:

Navizel wrote:

I don't know anyone's role though? I only got to know Sakura's role because she targeted me.
Zexion
Yeah reading back I tought the same.

I want to know if Jess did that kill, so I'll wait until she says something.
Sakura
If we put the pieces together...
You are unable to use kills or whatever navizel locked you from doing since he targeted you during the one night you didn't commute. I dont believe Navizel had a reason to lie about this, only thing is whether you lied about not commuting N1.
I targeted both Navi and Jess, seeing as Navi died, Jess is conf scum unless my role has a naive element to it, or unless you also happened to kill Navizel last night.

I'm still trying to figure this out based on the claims from the deceased navi, it's also probable that Navi was right about you, but im leaning more on Jess right now, im waiting to hear from her.
Sakura
Meh, even if my ability was ok, there's still the chance that you had targeted Navi for a kill to begin with :<
Ack, im gonna have to solve this by reading back and checking day play.
Zexion
Jess being scum would be way too convenient, I mean, red text and claiming to have an ability to "erase" someone? Damn.

What about the Game Master being scum? The cat workshipper was just like Bastard Mini I, so maybe the mod is scum here too...
Sakura
I did consider that possibility Day 1, but no one wanted to lynch him, i dont think it's a risk i want to take in LyLo because if it turns into a supersaint, vengeful or even a no lynch or it doesnt win the game then we lose.... that's way too many chances of losing D:
Sakura
I'm going through that game's roles just in case:
Bastard Mini I Role List

DakeDekaane wrote:

Roles:

beeboy - Town Bulletproof Puppet (Weak, Loved) Confused Jack-of-all-Trades.
Their night action can be controlled by the Puppeteer.
Their night action gets randomized, but not the target.
Dies when targetting anti-town players.
Requires 1 vote more to be lynched.

Drezi - Paranoid Cop False Paranoid Gun Owner (Random Compulsive Janitor Double Voter).
Every time he voted, there was a dice roll, 1st die decided the second vote and the 2nd would decide the player who would not be revealed if killed that night.
Always get Mafia results.

GuyInFreezer - Secret Townie (Strong-Willed Dreamer).
Every night he could know three elements present in that night.

Tanzklaue - Mystery Townie (Suicidal Bomb, Lyncher Restless Spirit).
Bombs himself along with another player, then becomes a Restless Spirit who had to lynch the Evil Mastermind.

CalignoBot - Cat God Cultist.
"End all your sentences with nya" post restriction.
Can recruit players into his cult, changing the alignment and removing the abilities.

Zexion - Mafia Puppeteer.
"End all your sentences with desu" post restriction.
Could make kills via his puppet or control the target of his night action.
For easier referencing.
Zexion
Funny you say that considering how Simple Bastard went ¬¬ (No I'm not mad asdf)
Zexion
So what would be the difference between a "cultist" and a "workshipper"?
Sakura

DakeDekaane wrote:

Resting in a better place:
  1. - Magic Bomb -, the Robot, incinerated in Day 2.
  2. Batujitsu, the Rookie Spy, lynched in Day 2.
  3. Frostings, the Cat God Worshipper, lynched in Day 3.
  4. Navizel, the Matchmaking Machine, killed in Night 3.
Navizel could disable a player's ability to do "destructive stuff" or so he claimed, he also claimed to have gotten my role when i targeted him which is true by the flip.
Zexion
Also we could not be at LyLo.
Sakura
Dake used the same color as the other game so i assume that's the color he uses for cults (just like i use purple for cults).

Also i think mod being scum is a bit too cliche right now.

There's worse stuff than making Jess type in red, i mean there's the counterpart to Innocent Child called Guilty Child (Mod announces the player as being part of the mafia).
Sakura
Wait no, mod can't be scum.
Sakura
Jess can't kill on her own, N1/N2 there werent any kills so the mod isn't killing either, the only way for Navizel to have died is if either you didnt commute and kill, or Navizel died because Jess is scum and i paired them.
Sakura
Well actually mod is still possible scum but if he is, he can't kill, but it's impossible for all 3 of us to be town together at this point, otherwise who the fuck killed Navi if Jess is town (Navi wouldn't die because of my ability) and you're town.
-[Jess]-
*oh,hi.I erase someone.did you see that?
Zexion
Well... I kinda expected it. But I wasn't so sure Jess would admit it...
Zexion
If that's true then your matchmaking doesn't tell us about Jess being scum Sakura.
Sakura
Pretty true.
It explains the kill, it doesnt mean neither of you can be scum, but it also allows the possibility of all 3 of us being town.

Question, if Frosty was cultist, who would they have culted... I claimed i couldn't be culted so obv he didnt target me, but idr which day i claimed it, if it was yesterday then it's possible he failed an attempt to cult me if he ever did

If frosty doesnt count as cultist then we might as well lynch the mod...

Ugh this is the part i don't like about bastard games, but whatevs, i had fun figuring out bato and frosty in the end.

Vote: DakeDekaane
Sakura
Unvote
Actually, did Jess ever express suspicion of Navi enough to shoot him?
-[Jess]-
*i pick it randomly.
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
It's currently: Day 4
Current weather: Partially cloudy
Alive players: 3

Votecount:
No one is voting
Night will fall in 83 hours. (Dec 22nd 06:00 UTC)
Sakura
Vote: Jess
Zexion
I'm not really feeling scumvibes from Jess.
Zexion
She wouldn't have claimed to have shot Navi if she was scum.
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

She wouldn't have claimed to have shot Navi if she was scum.
She would
Sakura
Then again Navi claimed to have disabled all of Jess abilities that could cause destruction, so it's kinda impossible for her to have killed Navi.
She also claimed that because that would put a brick on my theory that either you shot Navi or she's scum and so Navi died because of the Matchmaking.
In addition to that, she said she shot randomly, how's that even town.
Sakura
You know what's funny tho.
Navi knew my role coz he copied it, he admitted to knowing my role yesterday.
So for all that it's worth you have to accept my role works how i said it does unless you think Navi wasnt playing to his wincon and accepting me lying about it.

So as far as i'm concerned both you and me are conf town, and my role is at least confirmed to you.

Either Jess scum or we gotta lynch the Game Master.

And i'm still leaning on the former.

Convince me why this isn't the case.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

She wouldn't have claimed to have shot Navi if she was scum.
She would
I really don't understand. What would you gain acting like a murderer from the entire game...? That's even nonsense for a bastard game!

I'm not saying shooting randomly is town, but it would be just... too easy. Let me have some time to think this over, I don't want to take a choice so fast like I did in Simple Bastard.

Jess: What do you have to say?... if you want to say something, that is.
Sakura
It is fine, i know you're town since you didn't QH Jess, it's possible all of us are town and we gotta lynch Dake, we just gotta come to the correct conclusion.

Don't forget:

Navizel wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I hate using meta, but on Dake's Bastard Mini I the post-restrictioned cat was also cult. Do you think he would do it twice?

But on scumminess yeah, frostings comes first then Navi for his intense role fishing.
Okay. The thing is I also have another power which can disable abilities that can cause damage. If you used your commute last Night 1, your scumpoints would lessen. The fact that there were no nightkills yet make me townread Frostings. And by the way, I targeted Jess last night.
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
It has started to rain. Rain will last for 24 hours.
-[Jess]-
*haha,he only disable one power of me,the power is 'reset'
*also,you guy are going to kill me,Intersting.
Zexion
So it caused a rain this time...

*sigh*. This feels just like Simple Bastard all over again...
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
It's currently: Day 4
Current weather: Partially cloudy
Alive players: 3

Votecount:
-[Jess]- (1): Sakura

Not voting: Zexion, -[Jess]-
Night will fall in 45 hours. (Dec 22nd 06:00 UTC)
-[Jess]-
*It stop,luckily i have a umbrella.
Zexion
I don't think we're getting anywhere. Again.

I'll decide tomorrow night.
-[Jess]-
*i am waiting
Zexion
Sakura: would you support me if I say I want to lynch the Game Master?
Topic Starter
DakeDekaane
Announcement from: Game Master


You have been granted an extension of the deadline: (Dec 23rd 06:00 UTC). Make good use of it.
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