and there it is ladies and gentleman-[Jess]- wrote:
@sLaiNi i s Haneii,because she can make me death or alive.It is important for me
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It is not a scumslipFrostings wrote:
and there it is ladies and gentleman
p/4503977 The word was meta shift not "change meta"sLaiNi wrote:
I just can't find this "Sakura posted in Lovers, that she wants to change her meta" (I used the search function to find the word 'meta' on every page of her ISO), but as everyone is confirming this, I'll assume it's true then.
Anyway, that she basically says "don't you read my meta" is suspicious in either way. It would be a good way to hide scummy gameplay.Who and what do you mean by this? Don't start only posting prod-dodge like nonsense again.-[Jess]- wrote:
wait we forget someone
You say it's supicious that i say that, and even tho i said it in the last game and flipped town i suggest you don't assume im town because of it, in fact i rather you read me on this game only, i'll do the same for everyone else.
Also i currently have townreads on Jess, Frostings and Magic Bomb.
sorry,I was too nervous.Frostings wrote:
never said it was
hey Jess, what do you mean by Haneii making you dead or alive
Also since you asked
11 x 25% = 2.75.
So probably 2 scum.
11 x 25% = 2.75.
So probably 2 scum.
If She die I will also dieFrostings wrote:
hey Jess, what do you mean by Haneii making you dead or alive
but i don't know her alignment sadly.
Why you claim lovers so early?
i am not a lover btwSakura wrote:
Why you claim lovers so early?
oh is that how it worksSakura wrote:
Also since you asked
11 x 25% = 2.75.
So probably 2 scum.
I can finally stop asking every game
I am Sibling with Haneii.
ok?
ok?
so basically if jess is town/scum then Haneii is town/scum.
no i didn't lieFrostings wrote:
Jess are you lying about knowing Haneii's alignment?
unless siblings work differently here in this setup. I guess Haneii and Jess are town for me. There's just no way she would claim something like that considering this game most likely have a 2 scum 9 town.
But that's just suicidal.
basically scums are likely to target either one of them N1. Unless it's possible to protect two players in one night then town might basically be down to 5 players by Day 2. Just wtf.
I mean 6 players
on the situation that D1 is a town mislynch then scum targets either Jess/Haneii.
on the situation that D1 is a town mislynch then scum targets either Jess/Haneii.
It's Jess we're talking about anyways. It's quite dangerous claiming that as town too, because scum can technically kill two people at night. I don't see anything good coming from a claim like that from both sides.Navizel wrote:
But that's just suicidal.
sigh
Well, at least we can take off Jess & Haneii from the lynchpool until this clears up later. What's done it's done.
Well, if I were too pick which one makes more sense then that would be a town claiming lovers/siblings. There's just no way a scum would claim lovers/siblings. It's still stupid to claim lovers/siblings as town nonetheless.
Jess, did your role PM specifically state that you don't know Haneii's alignment or are you just implying it.
to*
gdi
gdi
yah It is not a good claim for town i think,It will cause two player dying.I have to take a risk of that claim
I mean, sometimes ppl just say "You are a Mason with X" but doesnt specifically state that they are town, since everyone knows a Mason knows the other Mason to be town, which is why i'm asking.
YesSakura wrote:
Jess, did your role PM specifically state that you don't know Haneii's alignment or are you just implying it.
Ok, then i guess it's just a differently flavored Lovers PM then. Could be for the sake of flavor consistency.
For the record however, this makes Jess very town, im not lynching her ever.
same
now let's lynch Ace instead
now let's lynch Ace instead
Anyway wanted to reply to this earlier, but wanted to question Jess further to make sure it was what i thought it was, anyway.
More or less yes, it's usually 25% of the playerlist, the other option would be a 3rd party (SK) but that's kinda meh because 7-1-2 would mean that a mislynch would send the game to 4-1-2 the next day which is LyLo, so yeah, im fairly certain it's 2 scum, and if there's a 3rd party it's not a killing role.Frostings wrote:
oh is that how it worksSakura wrote:
Also since you asked
11 x 25% = 2.75.
So probably 2 scum.
I can finally stop asking every game
Putting that claim aside...
...then again, she did state in other games she's looking for a meta shift. I don't think there's scumvibes behind that post, but that's for reasons outside of the game (which I'm not fond of using)
This does not seem like RVS at all.
It's kinda odd if you think about it, she's really worried about how other people will read her now, usually scums are more worried about looking in a certain way.Gumica wrote:
Vote: Sakura
That certinly seems suspicious.
What do you guys think?
...then again, she did state in other games she's looking for a meta shift. I don't think there's scumvibes behind that post, but that's for reasons outside of the game (which I'm not fond of using)
Explain.Frostings wrote:
No need for RVS for me
?_?- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Slaini is town.
Unvote
This does not seem like RVS at all.
Why did you had to take that risk? You or Haneii didn't have a single vote for a lynch.-[Jess]- wrote:
yah It is not a good claim for town i think,It will cause two player dying.I have to take a risk of that claim
oh wait that was for 10 players, 8-1-2 > 5-1-2 is MyLo which is close anyway.
I was afraid If I didn't claim I will end up getting PLed.Zexion wrote:
Why did you had to take that risk? You or Haneii didn't have a single vote for a lynch.
gotta sleep now,it is 1:05 am in here.
eh
you're not even close to getting policy lynched what the fuck
Not like the mod doesn't allow you to claim later
I feel like Jess' playstyle is not her scum-like playstyle. Claiming lovers as scum would be kinda stupid anyway, if the person does not get killed, it would be too obvious.
nice parrot 
Vote: sLaiNi
This guy is not scumhunting.
This guy is not scumhunting.
I am actually more scumhunting then you were. I call MB out for his strange self vote, you do it after me, after that all your posts are regarding your "meta thing".
ATM I am just searching for a point to pick up, as my main goal was to put pressure on you, before everyone was lowering it.
ATM I am just searching for a point to pick up, as my main goal was to put pressure on you, before everyone was lowering it.
no but what the fuck did jess say lmao
i can't tell if this is a joke or not tbh
Vote: Jess
Vote: Jess
You aren't interested in figuring out my alignment, ergo, you're not scumhunting, you're mislynching.sLaiNi wrote:
I am actually more scumhunting then you were. I call MB out for his strange self vote, you do it after me, after that all your posts are regarding your "meta thing".
ATM I am just searching for a point to pick up, as my main goal was to put pressure on you, before everyone was lowering it.
Also "calling out" people isn't scumhunting, it's mudslinging, scumhunting is interaction and asking people questions to see if you're going right or wrong, you voteparked me and all you've done is say "how scummy i am for saying im meta shifting" and then saying "i'm meta shifting to hide scummy behaviour" this is NOT scumhunting, this is trying to throw mud and see if it sticks.
Anyway im gonna head to work (i finally have a job again!) cy'all later.
Are you literally kidding me? WTH should Jess lie about that, or are you trying to give her a signal like "don't reveal this?"Hika wrote:
i can't tell if this is a joke or not tbh
Vote: Jess
I tried it but I used the wrong thing to get started, as people could easily get the pressure off of you (which was rather unintentionally of them I guess).Sakura wrote:
You aren't interested in figuring out my alignment, ergo, you're not scumhunting, you're mislynching.
Have fun and congratulations.Sakura wrote:
Anyway im gonna head to work (i finally have a job again!) cy'all later.
I really would be agaist lynching Jess at least for now. That silbing claim could be really bad for us if it is real IMO, as I said that should resolve itself pretty soon so now there's no reason to put any more attention to it.Hika wrote:
i can't tell if this is a joke or not tbh
Vote: Jess
Also @Jess: It's really unlikely for a lynch to ocurr quickly. If you would be PL'd at any point you'd certainly have a moment to see that and then you could claim, but doing that before anyone shows the intention of lynching you... yeah you should get the idea.
Stuff like these make me see you're trying to get on her good side or something like that.sLaiNi wrote:
Have fun and congratulations.Sakura wrote:
Anyway im gonna head to work (i finally have a job again!) cy'all later.
I think we both know what's happening here. Just don't be stupid and pretend you don't see what I'm doing.sLaiNi wrote:
Are you literally kidding me? WTH should Jess lie about that, or are you trying to give her a signal like "don't reveal this?"Hika wrote:
i can't tell if this is a joke or not tbh
Vote: Jess
Just let it happen and move on.
And well shit, some people can lie about it but I'm doing this on purpose.
Whatever that is, she can take it up with her little lover. I ain't moving my vote yet. Give it 12 hours.
Besides, why does it matter that I voted her in the first place.
I can see what you mean but I don't think it applies in a situation like this. Just a little off topic conversation; I wouldn't pay any mind to it honestly.Zexion wrote:
Stuff like these make me see you're trying to get on her good side or something like that.
Actually nevermind, had to reread thread; this isn't going to work.
Unvote
Unvote
Actually I am kinda embarrased of why I was going nuts above your voteHika wrote:
Actually nevermind, had to reread thread; this isn't going to work.
Unvote
I actually distracted you with Haneii and was like "Did her loverpartner just say that this is a lie?"@Zexion Except that I am always trying to make everyone feel comfortable and that I already got called out for it several times (like my first game where I got misslynched and a post like this added suspicion on me p/4286099/ ), but I guess we're not going with meta this game, just a thing to mention there.
@Jess Your whole "I was afraid of a PL lynch" seems kinda pulled out of air, there's no reason you'd have to be afraid of a PL hammer. You don't have any true reasons behind this or don't you want to share them with us?
lynch SlaiNi -> lynch Hika -> applaud Frostings for winning the game
nice try lmaoFrostings wrote:
lynch SlaiNi -> lynch Hika -> applaud Frostings for winning the game
Regardless of Jess' motive, it's pretty clear we're not lynching her today. What do you expect to gain from this question?sLaiNi wrote:
@Jess Your whole "I was afraid of a PL lynch" seems kinda pulled out of air, there's no reason you'd have to be afraid of a PL hammer. You don't have any true reasons behind this or don't you want to share them with us?
Seriously, you're not paying attention to the game at all.
Vote: Slaini
*facedesk*
... what are you doing lmao
is this a joke
is this a joke
For all the people talking about how it would be stupid for scum to claim lovers prematurely, just remember that this is Jess. Nevertheless, we shouldn't lynch her today, as many people have also stated.
So far, I have a slight town read on zex
MB hasn't posted anything of substance the I can see right now, and this is uncharacteristic of him... [suspicion intensifies]
Unvote
Had a scum read on Sakura earlier on, but her posts have gotten better as of late (shifted from more setup spec posts to scumhunting)
@slaini, got any reads other than your earlier scum read on Sakura?
@haneii since you're here and at the time of this post have not confirmed jess's claim, could you please do so? If you have by the time I post this, then just ignore this
So far, I have a slight town read on zex
MB hasn't posted anything of substance the I can see right now, and this is uncharacteristic of him... [suspicion intensifies]
Unvote
Had a scum read on Sakura earlier on, but her posts have gotten better as of late (shifted from more setup spec posts to scumhunting)
@slaini, got any reads other than your earlier scum read on Sakura?
@haneii since you're here and at the time of this post have not confirmed jess's claim, could you please do so? If you have by the time I post this, then just ignore this
You already stated that you're against voting her, so why does it matter to you if I confirm it or not?
I didn't say I wouldn't vote her, I said I have no intention of lynching her, but that can change based on your answer.
so basically we should still lynch Jess
ok then
ok then
I mean yeah, sure it's Jess we're talking about but she's going to be obvious later on anyways
uh
uh
Why would it change?Ace Timing wrote:
I didn't say I wouldn't vote her, I said I have no intention of lynching her, but that can change based on your answer.
if you say her claim is false, it would indicate very clearly that she is lying and I see no reason to make such a claim if she was town.
Also, while we're still on the subject, why are you reserving yourself the choice to vote her, but discouraging others?
Why my word over Jess?Ace Timing wrote:
if you say her claim is false, it would indicate very clearly that she is lying
Why can't I be lying scum in that scenario?
I don't understand the meaning of your question.
Which one?
Jess has never lied about her role as town.Haneii wrote:
Why my word over Jess?Ace Timing wrote:
if you say her claim is false, it would indicate very clearly that she is lying
Why can't I be lying scum in that scenario?
Haneii wrote:
Which one?
This one ^Haneii wrote:
Also, while we're still on the subject, why are you reserving yourself the choice to vote her, but discouraging others?
Then why do you want me to confirm her claim?
If Jess is lying about her role, something she doesn't do as town, then my stance on whether or not she should be a viable lynch will change.Haneii wrote:
Then why do you want me to confirm her claim?
By you claiming to not be her sibling, it will be obvious that one of you is lying. I am more inclined to think that you would be telling the truth, if you were to lie and say you were not her sibling, it is possible for her to be lynched, and you would die as well, and in the case that Jess was scum, you would both die, and if you were town, you would still both die. In the case that you are town, you would decrease the chances of town winning. If you were scum, you would lose (I'm assuming that there are two players on the scum team with this assertion). With this in mind, it is unlikely that you would lie, and therefore I ask.
Ace Timing wrote:
This one ^Haneii wrote:
Also, while we're still on the subject, why are you reserving yourself the choice to vote her, but discouraging others?
I was referring to these two posts:
Ace Timing wrote:
For all the people talking about how it would be stupid for scum to claim lovers prematurely, just remember that this is Jess. Nevertheless, we shouldn't lynch her today, as many people have also stated.
Ace Timing wrote:
I didn't say I wouldn't vote her, I said I have no intention of lynching her, but that can change based on your answer.
I don't think we should lynch her, but that opinion can change. I still don't see why you ask, is it unusual to admit to the possibility that new information might cause you to rescind an earlier statement?
Dunno.
kek
MBomb
I have 4 townreads, 1 of which I've already stated, based off current discussions. However, Haneii's lack of confirmation is bothering me, there's basically no reason to ignore it. Either it's true, and Haneii should confirm so we don't lynch Jess and kill them too, or it's false, and so we get a lynch from Jess's fakeclaim.
I don't think jess would make up a fake claim out of this.
Also Zexion's also raising in my suspicions right now for taking a blow at sLaiNi just for being polite.
Also Zexion's also raising in my suspicions right now for taking a blow at sLaiNi just for being polite.
Rather i meant to say, i don't think Jess has the ability to think up a fake claim like that.
Also I think if there's 2 killing roles in this game it's likely they aren't both town.
Also I think if there's 2 killing roles in this game it's likely they aren't both town.
Arguing with Haneii about "confirming" what Jess said is pointless, if Jess was lying Haneii would've said so immediately unless both or Haneii are scum. The fact that Haneii isn't saying anything it means at the very least that it's the truth.
MBomb
The only reason i can see for Jess fake claiming that is because Haneii is her scumpartner and told her to do so, while im townreading Jess, i don't have a townread on Haneii (not a scumread either).
All i'm saying tho, is that this line of questioning leads nowhere, if Haneii is town and Jess is lying scum, Haneii would've already said something about it, so this is not a problem, we should focus our discussion elsewhere instead of wasting pages of "Why arent you confirming" "ehh" "CONFIRM IT DAMMIT"
All i'm saying tho, is that this line of questioning leads nowhere, if Haneii is town and Jess is lying scum, Haneii would've already said something about it, so this is not a problem, we should focus our discussion elsewhere instead of wasting pages of "Why arent you confirming" "ehh" "CONFIRM IT DAMMIT"
Oh also here i was referring to Haneii and Jess in the "it's likely they aren't both town" when i wrote this, but it's something that doesn't need to be sorted D1.Sakura wrote:
Also I think if there's 2 killing roles in this game it's likely they aren't both town.
Exactly. It leads us/anyone asking nowhere. *looks pointedly at Ace*Sakura wrote:
All i'm saying tho, is that this line of questioning leads nowhere
Topic Starter
Vote Count:
- 4 sLaiNi Frostings, -[Jess]-, Sakura, Zexion
- 2 Ace Timing Navizel, gumica
- 1 Sakura sLaiNi
- 0 Hika
- 0 - Magic Bomb -
- 0 Navizel
- 0 -[Jess]-
- 0 Zexion
- 0 Frostings
- 0 Gumica
- 0 Haneii
Not voting: Ace Timing, Hika, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch.
I'm going to third this since this is obviously why I'm wondering why you don't stop lmao @ AceHaneii wrote:
Exactly. It leads us/anyone asking nowhere. *looks pointedly at Ace*
it's pointless and all town can do is agree with it and hope that it's not a fake claim.
I've got one question
why do you guys want slaini gone so bad? I know he's scummy but what else do you guys think?
I've got to RC in a second too
so in a serious sense please don't joke around and tell me a stupid reason why slaini is considered scum
o_OHika wrote:
I know he's scummy but what else do you guys think?
I'm not lynching him because he's scummy, im lynching him because he's not scumhunting and is just spreading suspicion, which is something scum do