Xiz wrote:

Oh and treebomb, back on D1 when you were asking me to claim I was so close to role-swapping with you and faking my role lol. I had no idea you were fake also lmfao. I wonder how that would have turned out.

Okay, you just answered my post above with the "we can lynch Gumi first"

but you also claimed that you are VT and Hika can then easily confirm that my Cop claim is true, because she will know that she is VT if she is not scum.


So basically you just confirmed my claim ^^

Oh wait slaini claimed I missed that. I kinda just skimmed over his posts.



vote: unvote


I still think it's him but lolz nobody hammered so still super high chance he's scum

So a list for overview:

SNB = Seer
Gumica = Scum (requires SNB to be correct, but noone counterclaimed)
Xiz = VT (he claimed it with saying "treebomb, I wanted to fake my role and fakeclaim Cop, >>too<<"
Hika = unclaimed
sLaiNi = Cop

So either Xiz or Hika is 100% scum and one is VT.

God damn it my world just got flipped upside down hahaha

Also slaini what if Gumica is the real seer

Xiz wrote:

God damn it my world just got flipped upside down hahaha

What are your reads? I would like you to post them fast

Xiz wrote:

Also slaini what if Gumica is the real seer

The better question: Why did MB not hammer, even after he literally confirmed that he understood that scum would instant win if they hammered me?

Or explained differently: If he was scum, he could've just voted me and he had won. There is no theory that could counterclaim this, except that he wants to have fun instead of winning, but that would be against the rules eitherway

Here is how I see it from my eyes:


World 1:
Hika - Scum
sLaiNi - Cop
Xiz - Town
Static Noise Bird - Seer
Gumica - Scum


World 2:
Hika - Scum
sLaiNi - Cop
Xiz - Town
Static Noise Bird - Scum
Gumica - Seer


World 3:
Hika - town
sLaiNi - Scum
Xiz - Town
Static Noise Bird - Seer
Gumica - Scum

There is no world where scum would bus here obviously.
The most troubling fact is how gumica just posted saying "brb" instead of quickly claiming and saying brb. Kinda throws a wrench in everything. I'm interpreting this as probably giving up, or not really caring?

Then there is this...

Hika wrote:

You {Meaning Tree} are leaning more town than anyone else so I always check in with you before I make a decision.
SNB is null leaning scum.
Gumi is null.
Jess is null.
Xiz is null leaning scum.
And sLaiNi is just pure scum on my radar.

^ +1 World 2

Also...

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If Jess flips town, Slaini, if Jess flips scum, Gumica.

^ +1 World 3

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh, and also keep an eye on SNB if Jess flips town.

^ THIS post scares me lol. +1 World 2

sLaiNi wrote:

Why did MB not hammer, even after he literally confirmed that he understood that scum would instant win if they hammered me?

+1 to World 1

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Vote: Gumica

^ His earlier thought train follows through with his claim today. If he is fake, it's a low chance he landed on the real one.

+1 World 1/3

Oh wait... there could be a Salini + Static Noise Bird world...


World 4:
Hika - Role?
Salini - Scum
Xiz - Town
Static Noise Bird - Scum
Gumica - Role



Fucking hell lol.


It's 3:20 am here imma go to bed and sleep on this.


Final thoughts for now is that the BIGGEST 2 things was SNB not hammering Salini and Gumica going afk. Also, I saw Gumica browsing this thread, then instantly leaving. (I refreshed the page about 5-6 times to check, caught him twice)

Good night for now

OK so, I've read up (cause driving 2h is boring), and also checked my message from Ace.
Guess what, SNB is wolf.
Vote: SNB

I did see the posts earlier this morning, before I went on the road. If I were scum, I would have quickhammered and ended the game there and then.

This is getting intense.

So either Gumica and SNB is scum.

DONT VOTE ANYONE @ALL TOWN

Holy shit what a surprise!!!! Didn't see that seering coming at all!!
You panicked Gumica


K goodnight for realz

Actually Xiz's thoughts were so indepth it makes me feel rather town about him again. Sigh, I will take a short break of thinking about this game.

Good Night @Xiz (it's 12:30 here xD)

I'm pretty much set with who imma vote, I just wanna hear hika for lolz

H'okay bed time for reals v3

Panickwd? not really. I really am moving though, and Slovenian mobile coverage is ever so shitty (most of it is Edge). But we did stop in a city for lunch, so I have 3G, thwrefore I checked the game.

I COMPLETELY FORGOT JESS WAS LYNCHED OH MY GOD

I'll fix my reads and possible "worlds" after gym. Hang in there guys.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

I COMPLETELY FORGOT JESS WAS LYNCHED OH MY GOD

I'll fix my reads and possible "worlds" after gym. Hang in there guys.

Did you even post any "worlds" this day o.O

No, but those kinda go hand in hand.

Since Xiz is my stronger town read and Slaini is a non-countered cop, I'm going to have to assume the wolfteam is Hika-Gumica.

The other possible world is where Slaini and Hika swap places, and the least likely where Xiz and Hika swap places. For now I'm going to have to assume Slaini is the cop.

Besides, Gumica never counterclaimed seer, which is good.

inb4 Hika claims seer.

I was sleeping forgive me, I'll collect everything.. eh

First, let me do this...
Unvote

sLaiNi wrote:

Okay, as scum will know by now if SNB is lying or not I can claim either way:

I am cop and targeted Hika tonight, I got "Not cop" as result.

just thought i'd crack up and say lmao to that, that made my day because yes, i'm obviously not a cop

K, I'm at the new place. I've got all PC's up and running. I have a lot of other things to unpack still though. I'll post more later in the evening.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Besides, Gumica never counterclaimed seer, which is good.

I did actually. It seems you're reading posts badly.

So for sake of not wanting to spam everyone, I don't want to make a million posts, I'll make a super long post that will be convenient for everyone and fuck you, I'll put a tl;dr at the end for your lazy selves

My reads are based off of D1 actions, obviously, and not what has occurred just now because my two biggest scum reads are being lmao right now
To keep in mind here, in response to the question I asked MB, "Who would you like town to pursue if you end up getting NK'd?", because I obviously made clear that if Jess flipped town, my choice would be slaini.
He replied two things,

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If Jess flips town, Slaini, if Jess flips scum, Gumica.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh, and also keep an eye on SNB if Jess flips town.

And obviously, the only way I could think differently is if Jess flips scum is to turn to Xiz and Gumi. But Jess flipped VT, which, of course my initial reaction would be is to vote slaini because he was my scumread from the beginning and because I am going to carry on MB's reads too because he was my ONLY confirmed town read. The only person I didn't agree with was Xiz on his list.

There can be at least two things happening here from my view.
1 - In a world where there are obviously two mafia, SNB and slaini will claim the two PRs and try to apply pressure to the two people that were left from D1 conversing with MB as an act to clear themselves up with the remaining three and to win the game with a successful NK if we lynch one of each other's town reads.
2 - In a world where there are obviously two mafia, SNB or slaini will claim a role in which they do not have and try to accuse someone of being scum out of the blue, whether it be SNB pretending to be seer/cop and vice versa for slaini. It will then cause confusion within the two if they see each other as town and one can betray the other depending on who's read ends up being 'stronger' than the other.


tl;dr
My reads are currently, on a spectrum of more town to more scum, as follows
Xiz > Gumica > SNB/ slaini (I put two here together because I'd like to know which one is lying)

also no, Xiz, enlighten me when you get on but I will only be listening to you for the time being.
Vote: SNB
for gut feeling :/

If Gumi soft claimed seer then I have no choice but to assume that you confirm my 2nd assumption on role claiming in my previous post.
slaini still hasn't posted but I'm not gonna risk this one.

Eh, I'm freaking out again, sorry guys >_____<
Unvote
@Mod: Votecount please

Xiz, I need reads from you for this current moment.

Xiz wrote:

Oh wait... there could be a Salini + Static Noise Bird world...


World 4:
Hika - Role?
Salini - Scum
Xiz - Town
Static Noise Bird - Scum
Gumica - Role

I also notice this same thing though er

Slaini, reads from you too.

NICE SNB IS A DOUBLE VOTER

Hika wrote:

also no, Xiz, enlighten me when you get on but I will only be listening to you for the time being.
Vote: SNB
for gut feeling :/

Of course you would go for me by gut feeling because you're the second most likely wolf.

Hika wrote:

NICE SNB IS A DOUBLE VOTER

Shhhhhhh.

There's both you and slaini though.
So you both have my suspicion but I'm not gonna let you go above gumi if he soft claims because you could be accusing him and be scum yourself.

Hika wrote:

There's both you and slaini though.
So you both have my suspicion but I'm not gonna let you go above gumi if he soft claims because you could be accusing him and be scum yourself.

You're working with words like "suspicion", which express that you tend to believe that there is a small possibility of SNB not being scum, still you vote him and put us in a L-1 loose situation if he is town.

scum Gumica>Hika>Xiz>SNB town

Hika thankfully unvoted already, and there's no near-lose situation there, since I'm nearly certain Xiz wouldn't fall for that (unless Xiz was somehow the last wolf).

It's not exactly a small possibility. It's more so 50/50 if anything.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Hika thankfully unvoted already, and there's no near-lose situation there, since I'm nearly certain Xiz wouldn't fall for that (unless Xiz was somehow the last wolf).

Why would not he fall for that? There would be no disadvantages for him.

Just depends on what Xiz says that takes my vote away at this point.

BtW I am confirmed Cop now, if everyone noticed.

sLaiNi wrote:

BtW I am confirmed Cop now, if everyone noticed.

In the sense that we all couldn't come up with that 100%, what would be the reason why no one would have you confirmed as cop?

Because obviously one of you, or both of you, are lying.

Hika wrote:

just thought i'd crack up and say lmao to that, that made my day because yes, i'm obviously not a cop

Hika claimed non cop
Xiz claimed non cop
Gumica claimed non cop
SNB claimed non cop
I claimed cop


Funny thing you did not notice

Hika wrote:

Because obviously one of you, or both of you, are lying.

We can't both lie at the same time lawl, why should a town lie on being cop / seer.

I didn't say I didn't notice, I was wondering what would make people think you weren't a cop.

sLaiNi wrote:

Hika wrote:

Because obviously one of you, or both of you, are lying.

We can't both lie at the same time lawl, why should a town lie on being cop / seer.

Because ffs, MB did it, but that was a D1 sacrifice in order to eliminate all VT to limit it down to 1 VT 2 specific PRs.
This is just a flaw that you do not understand for some reason that I'm sure that Gumi and Xiz can see.

Like I said, this doesn't change a thing for me or my views on anything. I could be VT, I could be mafia, I could be cop, I could be seer. No one would know because no one has anything but suspicion.

It looks suspicious from the outside because of how CERTAIN the two of you are with each other. My post still was posted and still applies here.

So what are your reads with me basically being confirmed cop?

I can't reveal this information nor can I reveal anymore information for the time being. I will wait until the other three post.
Also, assume I am always here because technically, I am.

And also out of respect, don't bug me for not revealing information.
I got stuff to do and revealing information at this point would be based off of contribution from everyone, because right now, you're all leaning scum for me with the inactivity.

*me posting every site full and keeping this game alive, also the whole day being of of activity all in all*

"You're all leaning scum for me"

sLaiNi wrote:

*me posting every site full and keeping this game alive, also the whole day being of of activity all in all*

"You're all leaning scum for me"

I mean, you were already scum for me to begin with so I don't see what the issue is lmao
I'm just paranoid because of how silent it is here.

So please, enlighten me why it's okay to invalidate the way I am thinking?

K. Done unpacking all. Will read up and make some comments shortly

So, this is how I see this game standing now;

-As noone CC'd sLaiNi, I would only assume he's a conftown
-I inspected SNB and got a "Is Warewolf" result.

Now remain the two other players, Xiz and Hika.
-Xiz has made posted some fine comments, but I do want to see some more opinion and comments from you.
-Hika is just randomly switching votes and acting aggressivly (panicking?), without a propper necessity. The fact that you voted based on D1 events and on impulse send me strong signals. Voting on 5p MyLo like that is possibly the worst thing you could do as a townie (though, same could be said for Xiz...). A scum would've grabbed that chance and quickhammered -> implying you'd lose. Also, you're scumreading sLaiNi, even though he's (without a CC) confirmed town. wth. Explain yourself.

RC: VT

now leave me alone lol

I'll post in an hour, I'm busy.

nvm I post now because Gumi you're frustrating and the more you post, the more scummy you look lol

Just back from practicing piano...


These Gumica posts just seem so towny for me, townier than every MB post today... I just dont get the whole "They did not hammer part"... I will post tomorrow again, I am just too tired and confused now. Have a good night everyone.

Gumica wrote:

Explain yourself.

Well firstly, I was hoping someone would CC slaini to make me think otherwise, but there's no way to confirm that if no one CC, so the only thing for me to do is assume that he is a cop.
SNB/Gumi: You both explain yourselves. My reads have changed. Don't ask for them right now.

sLaiNi wrote:

Just back from practicing piano...


These Gumica posts just seem so towny for me, townier than every MB post today... I just dont get the whole "They did not hammer part"... I will post tomorrow again, I am just too tired and confused now. Have a good night everyone.

I want your reads again tomorrow... lmao.

You what? So basically, you're saying, that you gambled the entire game on the fact that someone would CC sLaiNi?

Hika wrote:

SNB/Gumi: You both explain yourselves. My reads have changed. Don't ask for them right now.

explain what?

Hika wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Just back from practicing piano...


These Gumica posts just seem so towny for me, townier than every MB post today... I just dont get the whole "They did not hammer part"... I will post tomorrow again, I am just too tired and confused now. Have a good night everyone.

I want your reads again tomorrow... lmao.

Do you want my reads every page now ?

I just posted them for you.

I go to bed now, really.

Of course? After the way he pressured one of TOWN into getting lynched? Of course I'd have nothing to think except the fact that he's obviously scum if he couldn't even get that crap through his head that Jess was joking at the beginning of the game.
I don't think he's scum anymore but please focus on yourself and don't pay attention to me.

What I meant was, one of you is lying because you both obviously have votes on each other and you both have no idea who is telling the truth. Obviously one of you is lying at this point. That clears slaini but that means one of you + Xiz is scum, if not both. But if it was both, that would be stupid.

sLaiNi wrote:

I go to bed now, really.

Good night, sweet dreams o/

But no really, your reads don't change after confirming Gumi "townier after every post"?
It's just weird that you don't change your reads based off of that. Explain yourself when you come back on later.

Hika wrote:

Because obviously one of you, or both of you, are lying.

Why exactly? For now I'm believing Slaini's claim.

Your inactivity is making you fall behind. I know he's cop. But Gumi is CC'ing you so idk who's lying.

Hika wrote:

SNB/Gumi: You both explain yourselves.

Explain... what?

Hika wrote:

What I meant was, one of you is lying because you both obviously have votes on each other and you both have no idea who is telling the truth. Obviously one of you is lying at this point. That clears slaini but that means one of you + Xiz is scum, if not both. But if it was both, that would be stupid.

Wait, was the previous one (on my previous post) directed towards me and Slaini or me and Gumica? I'm confused here.

I'm sorry for living in the real world, by the way.

And yeah okay that clears it up, thanks.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Hika wrote:

What I meant was, one of you is lying because you both obviously have votes on each other and you both have no idea who is telling the truth. Obviously one of you is lying at this point. That clears slaini but that means one of you + Xiz is scum, if not both. But if it was both, that would be stupid.

Wait, was the previous one (on my previous post) directed towards me and Slaini or me and Gumica? I'm confused here.

Sorry, this was meant for both you and Gumi, I should have specified.

And yeah, we don't have real lives, we have forum lives

But yes, I would like for you guys to clear yourselves up right now because it looks like (clearly), one of you isn't being very honest.

aren't *
omg my english derped

Yeah okay, dunno if it was obvious from the context or if it was missing. I'm tired too, just returned from McDonald's and it's nearing midnight here.

Man, if only Xiz was here. It's pointless arguing over this.

Anyway, Gumica could have not received a "Is Warewolf" result, as my PM says it in a different manner, also without the 2 mistakes in Gumica's short "proof". Can't quote it, because it's against rules, as far as I know.

Gumica is behaving exactly like someone else in an earlier game this summer, who turned out scum, like I stated yesterday. The reason why I investigated him in the first place. Wasn't surprised with the result.

Gumica, as far as I remember, never stated interest in suspecting me, so it would make way more sense for them to have investigated Xiz last night. They however decided to jump against the claimed seer, which I hope turns out being a bad mistake for them.

Going to sleep in a moment, hopefully this will suffice for now.

I'm gonna just quit talking until Xiz gets here too lol

My PM is correct, and you know it.
"I'm behaving exactly like another player" is a poor excuse to explain yourself. State your actual motives, not some useless facts.
I go by a policy of inspecting the most inactive players, as they try to blur out of the game with as little pressence as possible to trick town in a way. And just so you know, if Jess would not have been lynched yesterday, I would've definitely inspected her. The second on the list of most inactive was you, then Xiz, Hika, sLaiNi and MB. Would it be more logical to go inspect a different player? Probably. But you seem to keep forgetting that this is Mafia game - a game of psychological warfare. Common sense to accept the words as truth doesn't simply exist here. Neither do behaviours of people. Can you be proud of and frame up what you gained through a lie? Well, in case of MB, it gained town a massive advantage.

Okay, there we go. Everyone has claimed. And NOBODY countercalimed Salini.

The lines have been drawn. It's between Gumica / Bird and Hika / Xiz

Finally, the worlds have been narrowed down.

Who do you want to vote Xiz.

I'll make my vote as long as you do.

I have a feeling SNB is our scum here.

Okay. I don't need to talk anymore I've made my decisions. Here are the deciding factors:

- Magic bird could have won the game when there were two votes on Salini if he was scum. He did not. This could mean a Salini/MagicBird scum paring but nobody counter-claimed Salini, which cleares Salini and Magic Bird.
- Gumica was ghosting the thread last night (or like 12h ago) and I caught him twice doing so. If he was real, he would have dropped everything and said "SHIT NO WAIT" or something and would have not thrown the game. Also his read convienently coming back targeting MagicBird who Gumica never truly pinged in D1.
- The reason why mafia didn't win when two votes were on Salini was because Gumica didn't get the memo and vote, because he was moving I'm assuming. He had to re-enter the thread carefully since scum no longer had a free game.
- I'm surprised Hika has me as top town, when he should have been calling me scum to draw the lines more.


This is the information that has been presented in front of me. I can only make the best guess given the information given to me at this time.

The scum team this game is Gumica / Hika.

...and with that

vote: Gumica

wow

Xiz wrote:

Okay. I don't need to talk anymore I've made my decisions. Here are the deciding factors:

- Magic bird could have won the game when there were two votes on Salini if he was scum. He did not. This could mean a Salini/MagicBird scum paring but nobody counter-claimed Salini, which cleares Salini and Magic Bird.
- Gumica was ghosting the thread last night (or like 12h ago) and I caught him twice doing so. If he was real, he would have dropped everything and said "SHIT NO WAIT" or something and would have not thrown the game. Also his read convienently coming back targeting MagicBird who Gumica never truly pinged in D1.
- The reason why mafia didn't win when two votes were on Salini was because Gumica didn't get the memo and vote, because he was moving I'm assuming. He had to re-enter the thread carefully since scum no longer had a free game.
- I'm surprised Hika has me as top town, when he should have been calling me scum to draw the lines more.


This is the information that has been presented in front of me. I can only make the best guess given the information given to me at this time.

The scum team this game is Gumica / Hika.

you're stupid lmao
for many reasons

Vote:Gumica

Finally he came online. Thanks for ending this misery, partner

WHO? LMAO

Oops did I mess up? lol

Oh well no regrets. Even if I was wrong it was still a fun game xD

:3

eeeyyy

Obviously something isn't right here tbh

I wasn't expecting that

Ah well idfk when I'm coming back so
Vote: sLaiNi