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Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

you aren't even voting?
I stopped bothering to vote. The only time I do try to vote is when I have to carry in Epicmafia and I haven't been playing that for like a week.
Raging Bull

Haneii wrote:

notscience wrote:

Namely, the one that ank targetted ME.
Amianki never confirmed using an action on you (or any action) N3.

I'm ready to vote Slaini as soon as someone claims to have protected you N3.
And if no one does? Explain poe.

Setsuen wrote:

Raging Bull wrote:

you aren't even voting?
I stopped bothering to vote. The only time I do try to vote is when I have to carry in Epicmafia and I haven't been playing that for like a week.
So essentially you dont care what happens. Ok.
Raging Bull
Actually i dont care about poe. Just lynch NS after. I find it more probably for NS scum than slaini. Granted im not sure why NS heard sound on d4. I find it unlikely for scum to send two people near NS for kill, risking their chance because of possible doc.


Has anyone ever targetted haneii after name got bolded?
Raging Bull
Also expect limited post from me during september 18-20 if the game still continuing
notscience
It's kinda obvious based off ank's play he targetted me the night after jess died.

Hint: He was trying to see if people targetted the other two

Hint: He softed when I was pushing about him trying to out the doctor.

But he can validate it, sure.
notscience
Preferably sooner, I'd rather not have /yet another/ deadline scramble.
Setsuen
no one is prodding him even though it been like 2days though. I sure AM NOT GOING TO HELP YOU NON PRODDERS.

or maybe I am town silencer and I silenced him
Amianki
Yeah it's kinda obvious what I've been doing throughout the game.
Topic Starter
Sakura
12 hours 40 minutes until deadline.
MBomb
Ok, I'm gonna be out until about 4 hours before the deadline, please don't lynch anyone until then (And put some pressure on slaini, RB, and NS, one of those will be lynched today, most likely slaini or NS).
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ok, I'm gonna be out until about 4 hours before the deadline, please don't lynch anyone until then (And put some pressure on slaini, RB, and NS, one of those will be lynched today, most likely slaini or NS).
Did you even read what Amianki stated.
Or are you still skeptical about him being doc.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Yeah it's kinda obvious what I've been doing throughout the game.
And that is?
Raging Bull
Saving people?

No one counter claimed CB so idk why it matters. I find scum doc unlikely or else it would be 5 scum since CB protected slaini and NS(?).
Raging Bull
Can we just vote me or NS (or slaini which i doubt?)
Setsuen
Vote:slani

Feel free to counter wagon if you think Amianki isn't doc and is scum with NS instead.
I am not going to be awake when DL happens unless I somehow wake up at 4am instead of 6-8am.
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

Vote:slani

Feel free to counter wagon if you think Amianki isn't doc and is scum with NS instead.
I am not going to be awake when DL happens unless I somehow wake up at 4am instead of 6-8am.

You're making more and more little sentences where you mention the possibility of there being two scums.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 5.06

notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull [L-2]
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Setsuen [L-2]

Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

Not Voting (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb
Hmm. If this isn't right, lynch slaini tomorrow.

Vote: notscience
Topic Starter
Sakura
4 hours and a half until deadline
Vote Count 5.07

notscience (3) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull, - Magic Bomb - [L-1]
sLaiNi (2) - notscience, Setsuen [L-2]
Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

Not Voting (1) - Amianki

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb
Oh btw I'll explain my reasons for lynching ns first tomorrow.
MBomb
Actually, nevermind, I'll explain them now.

N3: Ace Timing performed NK, slaini reports hearing the sound. NS reports hearing slaini, and slaini reports also hearing sounds from NS, NS was targetted by doctor.
N4: ??? performed NK, NS hears sounds from slaini, slaini hears sounds from NS, slaini was targetted by doctor.

If slaini is scum, he would've sacrificed himself D4 and not brought any suspicion to Ace (Especially considering Ace Timing has more experience if I'm correct), probably taken all scumreads on Ace away in the process, and then Ace would've been protected by Doctor, and even in the case that doctor didn't target him, he would've targetted someone else, so Ace would've been unhearable. Of course, Ace didn't know for sure Amianki is a doctor, but at the same time I feel, whilst it wasn't completely obvious, it should've been guessable.
Amianki
Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
Topic Starter
Sakura
3 hours and a half remaining.
Vote Count 5.08

notscience (3) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull, - Magic Bomb - [L-1]
sLaiNi (3) - notscience, Setsuen, Amianki [L-1]

Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
MBomb

Amianki wrote:

Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
Hmm. Yeah actually, I can't think of any other explanation for no kill.
MBomb
I'll hammer slaini in 20 minutes, to give other people time to say stuff before I do.
sLaiNi
Okay if there's no way around this:

I don't see any reasons to suspect MB at all. Same goes to RB.
Haneii isn't suspicious for his behaviour, the whole bolded thing makes me wonder though. But scum would never target themselves if it's something like "you cant hear me", rather they would use it to shift suspicion.


NS is still my number one scum. He made sounds today, kill occured and noone claimed to target him. He IS scum and all reason why I get lynched now is, that he said I lie. One of us lies so he is scum. Don't even dare let him excuse himself tomorrow. Lynch him.

Setsuen shifting suspicion and reading only half of the game is suspicious.

Amianki claims town doctor. Seems believable.

I create this list in case the game doesn't end after NS lynch.
sLaiNi
Okay, I was in a hurry writing the post above, in case I get hammered in the meanwhile.


Basically NS is 100% scum, lynch him. He played his whole cards on getting me off of him.

I had doubts, because scum would never ever play so aggressively and making obvious ML tries.

For explanation AGAIN why you need to kill him:

He made sounds today, and he said I would lie. Noone targeted him (town should've already claimed if they did) so he made the NK.

Then again there is a high chance of Amianki lying for some reason, as I don't understand no kill happening after she targeted NS. There are two things that could've happened:
1. Amianki is doc and actually targeted NS but NS didn't NK then for whatever reason
2. Amianki is scum and lied to create confusion either way to give NS towncred (if they are team) or for creating a ML
So either Amianki is scumteam with NS or in any way she is the scum instead. (or he, sorry for calling you "she" then :x)
Topic Starter
Sakura
I'm tired and gonna take a nap, even if i wake up past the deadline, only votes and unvotes made before the deadline will count.
MBomb
Ok, glad I waited. Still gonna hammer though if no one else changes their vote in the next like 10 minutes. I would rather have a mislynch that gives us enough information to secure a win in the next 2 days than no lynch.
MBomb
If you flip town though, we will lynch NS.
sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If you flip town though, we will lynch NS.
Thank you that we're clear about that one :D
sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

I'm tired and gonna take a nap, even if i wake up past the deadline, only votes and unvotes made before the deadline will count.
Thanks for modding this game, it was a lot of fun and your small little texts on each deadline, which represent the events of the day, just made me laugh every single time, because they exactly describe what was stupid/funny about the day. Keep up the good work :)
MBomb
Ok, let's see then.

Vote: Slaini
notscience
I just woke up from a nap.
sLaiNi
Still have fun guys and good luck.

And finally I get the good feeling of showing Setsuen how much he was right with his, I quote, "Pro scumhunting abilities" due to which "sLaiNi is obviously scum"
notscience
Your posts feel very much like you know the game just ended.
sLaiNi

notscience wrote:

Your posts feel very much like you know the game just ended.

Don't try to post some last townish posts to begin tomorrow with "OMG read this post of me '>>your posts feel like [...]the game just ended<<'.
notscience
lol.
MBomb
Oh also I'm pretty sure I know exactly who's gonna die tonight, Amianki if you could protect them that'll be great (Hopefully you know).
Raging Bull

Amianki wrote:

Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.

What. Why did you protect a scum read then??
Topic Starter
Sakura
Final Vote Count Day 5

sLaiNi (4) - notscience, Setsuen, Amianki. - Magic Bomb - [LYNCH!]
notscience (2) - sLaiNi, Raging Bull
Raging Bull (1) - Haneii

With 7 Alive it takes 4 to Lynch
Raging Bull
God damnit guys. I dont see this slaini lynch even good at all.

Is 4 scum in 13p setup common? If not then CB cant be scum at all.
Topic Starter
Sakura
notscience: But you're a double voter, you can't be making sounds!
sLaiNi: But no one has claimed targeting you either!
notscience and sLaiNi step into the ring.
3
2
1
FIGHT!
notscience launches an uppercut, which is dodged by sLaiNi who then headbutts notscience on the belly, notscience a little dazed gets up, who then does a flying kick at sLaiNi, sLaiNi dodges and notscience almost falls then sLaiNi tries to headbutt again, notscience trips to the side, and sLaiNi falls off the treehouse...

Or maybe he was just voted out


sLaiNi Treehouse Early Bird (Town D1 Double Voter) was lynched Day 5
sLaiNi

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are a Treehouse Early Bird (Town D1 Double Voter)
You always wake up early and this gives your arguments more confidence in the early game.
D1 Double Voter: During Day 1 your votes will count as 2, you may only be voting for one player at any given time.

You win when all the invaders have been kicked out of the treehouse
Topic Starter
Sakura
~Night 5~
- Sorrow -
Current Housing

[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]


All actions are due in my inbox with 24 hours, all alive parties with night actions may also let me know if they want to end the night early.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Apparently someone never got their papers on time... too bad they died before they got formalized

Setsuen Treehouse Outsider (Town Miller) has been killed Night 5
Setsuen

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are a Treehouse Outsider (Town Miller)
Being an outsider you don't appear on the records so you may be easily confused for one of the treehouse invaders.
Miller: You appear as guilty to all cops.

You win when all the invaders have been kicked out of the treehouse
~Day 6~
- Impending Doom -
Current Housing

[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[notscience]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]


Deadline for hammer is 9/22 16:00 GMT-5

Vote Count 6.0

Not voting (5) - - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Haneii, Amianki, notscience

With 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch
MBomb
vote:notscience
Amianki
Waiting to see if anyone has interesting info to share first.
Raging Bull

Amianki wrote:

Sorry, I can only see two possibilities right now:

1. Notscience was targeted for a kill and survived.
2. Scum no-kill gambited. This actually incriminates sLaiNi, if anyone, because he was the one who was trying so hard to get a massclaim of sounds.

Vote: sLaiNi

I really think we're overthinking this game by a massive amount.
Break this down for me. But if scum incriminates slaini, then you should know he wont be scum? Also why did you vote slaini when you protected him?

@MB why did you change your original vote?

vote NS
Amianki
We were in a situation where NS and sLaiNi both heard each other two nights in a row and claimed actions didn't account for the discrepancy. Occam's razor says that sLaiNi is the scum in that scenario because of who was protected from kills at the time as well as his play after the kill was blocked.

This conclusion could only have been reached after night 4 since Ace Timing's scum flip kind of cleared up the air by itself and sLaiNi looked like the strongest contender for the nightkill at the time.
Amianki
btw I'm protecting Haneii tonight if notscience lynch doesn't end the game somehow.

If there are any other town PRs left, don't use it.
Amianki
Actually, now I'm thinking Haneii is the reason there was no kill night 3, not me.

Haneii 100% should claim before day ends.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 6.01

notscience (2) - - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull [L-1]

Not voting (3) - Haneii, Amianki, notscience

With 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch
Amianki
Last thing.

Amianki wrote:

Waiting to see if anyone has interesting info to share first.
I'm treating a hammer on notscience before everyone has been able to post (for the above reason) and Haneii has claimed as a scumclaim. Just fyi
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Actually, now I'm thinking Haneii is the reason there was no kill night 3, not me.

Haneii 100% should claim before day ends.
*sigh* D3 DV


Goodnight.
Raging Bull

Amianki wrote:

We were in a situation where NS and sLaiNi both heard each other two nights in a row and claimed actions didn't account for the discrepancy. Occam's razor says that sLaiNi is the scum in that scenario because of who was protected from kills at the time as well as his play after the kill was blocked.

This conclusion could only have been reached after night 4 since Ace Timing's scum flip kind of cleared up the air by itself and sLaiNi looked like the strongest contender for the nightkill at the time.
Ok. I understand first part. Second part, why is slaini kill more likely? Due to him being the secnd major wagon? So you only protected slaini n4, but his play d5 made you see him as scum? What about the noise NS made?

Amianki wrote:

btw I'm protecting Haneii tonight if notscience lynch doesn't end the game somehow.

If there are any other town PRs left, don't use it.
Best to protect yourself if you can so we can have one conf town at least. As for other PR, assuming MB isnt lying, he and I are now VT.

Imo, its odd enough both hear noises, but even weirder is that on different days, they only had one confirmed action on both. Im sure enough that there should be one more PR hidden in either NS or Haneii if NS is town.
MBomb
NS, roleclaim now.
Raging Bull
Why did you change your original vote?
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

Why did you change your original vote?
Because I wanted a lynch.
Haneii
prod notscience, please.
Topic Starter
Sakura

Haneii wrote:

prod notscience, please.
notscience has been prodded!
notscience
I'm VT.
notscience
Haneii is probably town.

Ank is town.

Ank probably dies, haneii is left to decide between theo ther two.
MBomb

notscience wrote:

I'm VT.
Ok yeah, lynch then. Sorry if this claim is true but I don't see any reason Slaini would lie about hearing sounds.
Amianki
Vote: notscience
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count Day 6 Final

notscience (3) - - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Amianki [LYNCH]

Not voting (2) - Haneii, notscience

With 5 Alive it takes 3 to lynch
Topic Starter
Sakura
So notscience is scum.
notscience: ...
What are you?
notscience: ....
Answer!
notscience: ...
Ah screw it let's lynch this...
notscience: I'm VT


notscience Treehouse Inhabitant (Town Vanilla) has been lynched Day 6
notscience

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are a Treehouse Inhabitant (Town Vanilla)
You've been living peacefully here but some people decide to make this tree their own place.
During the day, you may vote and talk.
During the night, you may sleep.

You win when all the invaders have been kicked out of the tree house.
Topic Starter
Sakura
~Night 6~
- Apocalypse -
Current Housing

[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]


Deadline for night actions is 24 hours, players with active night abilities are free to tell me if they want the night to end early.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Night is ending early
Topic Starter
Sakura
- Magic Bomb - Treehouse Landmaster (Town 1-Shot Bus Driver) has been killed Night 6
- Magic Bomb -

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are a Treehouse Landmaster (Town 1-shot Bus Driver)
You are in charge of house property and inhabitants, however it's pretty costly to move people and so you decided that you'll only take the risk once.
1-shot Bus Driver: Target 2 players, those 2 players will swap houses permanently, this will be reflected in-game, in adition the night you use this ability, any abilities targeting them will target the other, and everyone will hear heavy machinery

You win when all the invaders have been kicked out of the treehouse
~Day 7~
- The Final Day -
Current Housing

[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]
[-VACANT-]


Deadline for endgame is 9/24 15:50 GMT-5

Vote Count 7.0

Not Voting (3) - Haneii, Raging Bull, Amianki

With 3 Alive it takes 2 to lynch
MBomb
Gl town
Haneii
Well then...
Amianki
Ok. Did either of you hear sounds?
Raging Bull
No and I never did except day 2. The MB kill strikes me as odd as his BD claim could be read as scum too so i thought they would keep him alive.
Amianki
Haneii?
Amianki
eh

Actually, that's not even necessary at this point. The fact that RB claimed to not hear any sounds from Haneii is enough to confirm him town.

Vote: Haneii
Amianki
If it wasn't obvious, I didn't actually protect anyone last night. I only ever had two shots.
Amianki
Sec

Unvote: Haneii
Amianki
Actually, that's not enough to confirm him town since every PR was limited.

I'm still like 90% convinced it's Haneii.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

I'm still like 90% convinced it's Haneii.
Yet you unvote me lol.

Also, that reasoning for voting me in the first place...

Btw, why did you protect Slaini N4?



When it comes to last night, I didn't hear anything, and I agree that the MB kill makes little sense. Gonna re-read the game (After I get more sleep. 5 am posting on a Saturday. What is wrong with me?).
Amianki
siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
Amianki
Well, this day is basically a crapshoot then. The bolded name almost certainly means they can't hear or be heard.
Amianki
The worst part is that I can see scum both doing this to themselves and town, so that doesn't even mean anything.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Well, this day is basically a crapshoot then. The bolded name almost certainly means they can't hear or be heard.
You're only now coming to that conclusion?



Amianki wrote:

The worst part is that I can see scum both doing this to themselves and town, so that doesn't even mean anything.
The worst part? How does that make a difference for you? 90% sure I'm scum, remember?



@RB: why did you vote NS?
Raging Bull
I have extremely limited connection so sorry for slow posts.


I thought I said that poe all were confirmed town except me and NS. I also couldnt see how slaini push made sense ever since d4(?) . Why would scum made sound next to NS who was town read next day after jess lynch? I didnt find his push townlike, especially that he will be alone if slaini is lynched too.

Honestly the worst thing is the fact why im still alive and not MB. Im probably null at best.
While MB can probably read more town or scum than me.

@CB what are your comments about the nightkill?
Raging Bull
@haneii. Why do you think CB can be scum? (Based on other posts, not this day.)
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

@haneii. Why do you think CB can be scum? (Based on other posts, not this day.)
I never really did. He's always been just below my radar at null/null scum. However, never placed him as town (hasn't done anything townie), but I decided to consider him town after the Ace lynch (It doesn't make much sense to have Jess with a townie above and below her to perform a night kill, when he could have done it without being heard.)





Probably a really stupid question but:


Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?
Topic Starter
Sakura

Haneii wrote:

Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?
This is dependant on NAR, however if the player was roleblocked then the action wont go through regardless.
Haneii

Sakura wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Do actions/targeting still go through if the person doing the action dies that night?
This is dependant on NAR, however if the player was roleblocked then the action wont go through regardless.
I think I got it, but just to double check.

Someone (A) got role blocked, but the roleblocker (B) themselves die that same night. Does the initial person (A) still give off a sound/or give off any indication that they were targeted?
Topic Starter
Sakura
I'll clarify it then.
A person that takes action and is roleblocked still counts as having taken an action.
A person that is roleblocked doesn't visit anyone.
Roleblock takes presedence over kill, so even if the roleblocker dies, their roleblock still goes through.
Haneii
Yay! Got it thanks.

Unfortunately, I was headed no where with this (Sorry for wasting your time, Sakura! At least I learned something!). Thought there was a possibility that Amianki could have done the kill instead of Jess (in the case that Jess was role blocked and that's what triggered the sound). I mistakenly thought Pieguy was just a role blocker, not a global compulsive day specific RB. Derp.

I don't really have a reason for thinking Amianki is town. However the fact that (if he were scum) the Jess lynch could have been prevented + the lack of bussing, prevent me from viewing amianki as scum atm.
Haneii
So neither of you plan to post all day? :sadface:
Raging Bull
Not intentionally, bit i said i have limited connection. (All up in mountain.)

Has there been any connection between ace and CB? Im not sure, except for CB voting ace. Did they talk much?

If you guys have that bolded name power, would you guys target town, scum, or self(regardless of alignment)
Raging Bull
Lol self wont make sense as town. Nvm. Would you target yourself as scum?
Haneii

Raging Bull wrote:

Lol self wont make sense as town. Nvm. Would you target yourself as scum?
If I were scum I'd use it for the same purpose for either choice (bold naming someone else or myself) - to scum paint the people surrounding the bolded name.

As town, and if I had a choice, I'd avoid using it completely, considering we lose out on gathering new information (Same to scum, but I feel like the sounds are more valuable to town for scum hunting).

Why do you ask, RB?
Haneii
Amianki, why did you unvote me?

If you think there's a chance RB's scum, tell us how.

If you wanted to keep the game going a bit longer, why aren't you posting?
Amianki
I actually realized the moment after I voted that my logic for RB being conftown was wrong since it's impossible sounds haven't been tampered with and I've been meaning to try to piece together sound claims from the past days. I just haven't gotten around to it yet.

I've been not here today because my brain refuses to function today. It probably won't be much better tomorrow, but should be fine on Monday.
Amianki
The name bolding is 100% a scum action or it would've been claimed or been obvious from flips by now.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

I've been not here today because my brain refuses to function today. It probably won't be much better tomorrow, but should be fine on Monday.
I can't accept/allow that. I have limited access during the work week, so I'd prefer we use this weekend to the fullest.

Amianki, I want you to role claim right now! In addition, I want you to tell us the two people you've targeted and on what nights (you've posted this one already but I want everything explicitly mentioned in a single post now, please).
Amianki
2-shot doctor.

Protected NS on the night nobody died (3?) and SLaiNi the night after.
Haneii
Thanks.

Another question (something already asked of you earlier but we didn't really get an answer): What did slaini do Day 5 to make you vote for him?
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