How do I post something nonexistent?
So you say you heard nothing. I don't want any rhetorical answer, just I heard x from below/above or I heard nothing.Ace Timing wrote:
How do I post something nonexistent?
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)notscience wrote:
That would be correct.
I heard something below me.
And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
What about timezones. That isn't fair.sLaiNi wrote:
Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
It's 00:50 here.Haneii wrote:
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)notscience wrote:
That would be correct.
I heard something below me.
And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.What about timezones. That isn't fair.sLaiNi wrote:
Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?Haneii wrote:
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
Drezi wrote:
I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.
No, I don't think anyone protected her. I think there could be more investigative roles.notscience wrote:
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?Haneii wrote:
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
Do you think any protective role would target jess?
Good point there, I migh've been a bit too excited there. Give me some minutes to think about that.Drezi wrote:
So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
This is wrong on so many levels, want me to correct everything one by one?notscience wrote:
When someone repeats so adamantly that a player should be PL'd
That a player will be sorted out by the sounds
But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
Drezi wrote:
So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
Right, we still have to assume that there are roles that modify the sound. Maybe even unknown passives?Haneii wrote:
Drezi wrote:
So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.
Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
He/She is.Ace Timing wrote:
@notty any particular reason why you aren't voting Drezi?
Too late here, I make too many mistakes in my thoughtprocess. Actually I should go to bed if noone has any questions left.Ace Timing wrote:
But he/she isn't.
But he suggested that Jess made the NK, and I'm scum with her, my reply addressed that.Haneii wrote:
You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.
I thought Zexion was scum. pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum. Yes I want him lynched.Haneii wrote:
Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
Drezi wrote:
I thought Zexion was scum. .
I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?Haneii wrote:
Drezi wrote:
I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.
I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)
And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.
Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.Drezi wrote:
pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.Haneii wrote:
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.Drezi wrote:
pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
Amianki wrote:
I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.
Drezi wrote:
notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.Haneii wrote:
Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Drezi wrote:
read my iso.
Haneii wrote:
Drezi wrote:
I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.
I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)
And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town
Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
You're seem pretty confident she'll be NK if she roleclaims. Why?Drezi wrote:
also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
Amianki wrote:
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.Haneii wrote:
Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.sLaiNi wrote:
Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.
Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
I said I was suspecting Drezi for sheeping me near the end of D2 and you sure weren't in the discussion. Suddenly on D3 you decided to react to it. Really now.Haneii wrote:
I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)
And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.
Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
tbh I don't trust Jess that much anymore. She literally pulled the sympathy card and just bc I was town in Lupus, I sure didn't 100% pull the sympathy card for town AFTER SELF VOTING MYSELF THAT GAME.(I made town counter wagon on scum instead of pulling plz pity me on them fyi)notscience wrote:
Then why are you chainsawing Jess so hard?
one huge rule. Never trust a replacement slot bc on my first game in that mafiascum site, the scums replaced out....before D1 ended if I remembered. That or THEY WERE LURKING BIG TIME AND ACTING LIKE THEY WERE "NEW" to gain sympathy. Gee I wonder why.Haneii wrote:
I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?
Also other than me being V/LA whole day and my stance regarding her staying consistent throughout the game, Zexion hadn't even been attacking Jess at all, so you saying I'm chainsawing the fuck out of her just shows you're making shit up, using stuff that happened later (you pushing Jess, and me still pushing you D3).notscience wrote:
But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
Yes, and you missed half the stuff and simplified the rest so much that it's misrepresenting my actual stance, you don't need to quote that post again...Haneii wrote:
I already did:Drezi wrote:
read my iso.
This doesn't even make sense. What I said is I'd be happy if she were NK-d, because obviously I don't particularly enjoy having her in the game, and with people pushing for her lynch, if she's town, her getting NK-d due to a claim would be way better than getting mislynched or distracting town all the time.Haneii wrote:
You're seem pretty confident she'll be NK if she roleclaims. Why?Drezi wrote:
also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
notscience wrote:
I'm also sheeping pie!
vote jess
"Just so we're clear why Jess should be lynched."notscience wrote:
I heard something below me.
And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
notscience wrote:
Just so we're all clear on why I should have been lynched yesterday.Drezi wrote:
Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.
And you purposefully deleted the whole part of my quote where I explained why I think Jess is town/a bad lynch (despite being inactive), which is a major factor for me proposing a different lynch in the first place. p/4461435/ p/4462009/notscience wrote:
You proposed this slot as an inactive lynch as a counterwagon to jess who was inactive
And that totally explains why you're not scum, right.notscience wrote:
and said you're scumreading me for reasons I don't particularly care for.
You could have dipped into your iso, link/quote the posts, and prove me wrong. You obviously don't mind going through your iso and posting links when you feel like you're being misrepresented:Drezi wrote:
Yes, and you missed half the stuff and simplified the rest so much that it's misrepresenting my actual stance, you don't need to quote that post again...
I don't mind you thinking Jess is town or a bad choice for a lynch. What bugs me is your randomly placed vote/random push.Drezi wrote:
And you purposefully deleted the whole part of my quote where I explained why I think Jess is town/a bad lynch (despite being inactive), which is a major factor for me proposing a different lynch in the first place. p/4461435/ p/4462009/
Drezi wrote:
I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3
Amianki wrote:
I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Amianki wrote:
I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.
And when Drezi literally plans to get roles:Amianki wrote:
The massclaim was terrible and sLaiNi better have a really good reason for suggesting it if he is town. Until he does, I'm keeping my vote on him until either he dies or I die.
She just ignores it. So if you hate any try to get information about sounds and roles, why isn't it a problem when Drezi makes plans about it?Drezi wrote:
also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
Wait, first you say that she is close to a lynch and therefor should claim, and then you say you agree with Drezi, that she shouldn't be lynched and instead should be nightkilled?Amianki wrote:
1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.
2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.
Yeah, this is a scum slot.
Also you state that getting soundclaims out of people is PRfishing and that it wouldn't help town as much as it would help scum?sLaiNi wrote:
I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Zexion wrote:
Also should we claim what we heard on night? Honest question here e_e, I'm kinda confused about what I heard.
Right before claiming what she heard.Amianki wrote:
PEdit: yeah
Amianki literally said nothing to counter my comment down there.Amianki wrote:
2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.
Also how can you know that scum would "sort them out". Actually that would only work if someone knows 100% that Jess is town, and the only ones that can know that are scum.Amianki wrote:
Yeah, because it's perfectly valid to go for a lynch on someone and see if it's worthwhile to make scum sort them or not.
It's a completely different situation when the sound info is completely unexpected from what we were told about the setup. Zexion hinting that he got a similar result to mine made me suspicious that there was foul play involved somewhere and it's important to know whether it was town doing the horribly anti-town thing or not.sLaiNi wrote:
Also you state that getting soundclaims out of people is PRfishing and that it wouldn't help town as much as it would help scum?sLaiNi wrote:
I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Let's make a short time travel there to start of Day2:Zexion wrote:
Also should we claim what we heard on night? Honest question here e_e, I'm kinda confused about what I heard.Right before claiming what she heard.Amianki wrote:
PEdit: yeah
If she claims a PR and lives, then she's either scum who lied (which has a high chance of a counter claim) or scum think her PR isn't good enough to warrant a kill. If she dies, then scum just got rid of a player that would have gotten lynched instead, which gains town a tempo.sLaiNi wrote:
Also how can you know that scum would "sort them out". Actually that would only work if someone knows 100% that Jess is town, and the only ones that can know that are scum.Amianki wrote:
Yeah, because it's perfectly valid to go for a lynch on someone and see if it's worthwhile to make scum sort them or not.
Scums are continuing the tradition of keeping me alive no matter what unless I claimed some important town PR like doctor which then I die N1.Haneii wrote:
@Setsuen, why do you think you haven't been NK yet?
One of my post literally listed the possible scum tea. We lynch one scum it's probably GG. End of story.Amianki wrote:
1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.
2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.
Yeah, this is a scum slot.
Which means there is probably one scum among them amiright?Ace Timing wrote:
Nice to know there are more day specific double voters.
How do you come to such an assumption?Setsuen wrote:
Scums are continuing the tradition of keeping me alive no matter what unless I claimed some important town PR like doctor which then I die N1.Haneii wrote:
@Setsuen, why do you think you haven't been NK yet?One of my post literally listed the possible scum tea. We lynch one scum it's probably GG. End of story.Amianki wrote:
1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.
2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.
Yeah, this is a scum slot.Which means there is probably one scum among them amiright?Ace Timing wrote:
Nice to know there are more day specific double voters.
I'm well aware. The exact time I'm talking about was before the claim.Haneii wrote:
She claimed vanilla town.
I am.Haneii wrote:
@Ace & slaini: Ready to vote?
What Ace said. The chances of double voters who are ALL town are the same as there being another town miller in game other than me AFTER I claimed.sLaiNi wrote:
How do you come to such an assumption?
Use your logic of probability. There SHOULD be one scum double voter. IDC.Ace Timing wrote:
Not necessarily, I am just stating that his assumption is reasonable. If you believe it to be correct, by all means do so.
Stop choo chooing. You stated VERY few of your reads for people which make me suspicious that you DID NOT READ the entire D1 and 2. Also there is like 4days before DL so type more and slower bandwagon formation.notscience wrote:
Chugga chugga chugga chugga
WOO WOOOOOOOO
But GIF is clownpiece! (albeit not in his osu! avatar)Haneii wrote:
Off topic: Nuuuu, one of you should be clownpiece (or at least different form/hair colour).
And with that you also seemed to suggest that Jess made the NK, still think that's the case? Also even if not about Ace, you're bound to have an opinion regarding something about Magic Bomb - me pushing him, him having been sure I'm scum, his BD claim and him causing/not causing the noise N1 etc.notscience wrote:
because she was pushing Jess.
Which I've said already.
Honestly, although I can understand reading Setsuen's textwalls can be annoying, you should at least skim read them if anything to get the general message of them. Reading the posts of all players is important.notscience wrote:
I, in all honesty, did not read any of your posts of the parts of the game I have read.
I ultimately replaced in to play with pie (who died).
Which, also begs the question how drezi knows about the dynamic between me and pie.
Idk why I I can't hear things- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Hmm also, Jess, could we please hear what you heard? According to a post earlier, you're a VT, so you couldn't have done any action, so you must've heard sounds, right?
Haneii wrote:
In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
Actually not true. Someone can claim to hear something when in fact the person was targeted instead. It only gives a general idea, but I still believe what you said is true with not claiming sounds.Amianki wrote:
People lying about hearing or not hearing anything is NULL because town have just as much reason to lie about it as scum. The difference is scum will immediately be able to tell if someone's a town PR or not.
Somehow this just doesn't sound right. I feel like there is sarcasm involved here.-[Jess]- wrote:
plz i just a VT
Setsuen wrote:
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.sLaiNi wrote:
Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.
Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
The chance of her getting NK'd at this point I feel is like 0. All she's good for scum is keeping her alive in hopes town would lynch her due to playstyle. Why do you believe her VT claim?Drezi wrote:
This doesn't even make sense. What I said is I'd be happy if she were NK-d, because obviously I don't particularly enjoy having her in the game, and with people pushing for her lynch, if she's town, her getting NK-d due to a claim would be way better than getting mislynched or distracting town all the time.
Also notsci claimed hearing noises from her, and she claimed VT, so if notsci isn't lying it means someone must have targeted her last night if she's town, and there's a fair chance that we'll be able to verify that at some point.
Agreed!Setsuen wrote:
What Ace said. The chances of double voters who are ALL town are the same as there being another town miller in game other than me AFTER I claimed.sLaiNi wrote:
How do you come to such an assumption?
ew no. Personally so far I believe Jess+Slaini. I can't bring myself to believe Drezi is defending Jess still.Setsuen wrote:
I STILL SAY SLANI+ZEXION(NOTSCIENCE)+maybe more people scum team OR DREZI+RB+maybe more people scum team.
Pick your side now. Notscience OR Jess.