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Ace Timing
How do I post something nonexistent?
Drezi
I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

How do I post something nonexistent?
So you say you heard nothing. I don't want any rhetorical answer, just I heard x from below/above or I heard nothing.
Haneii

notscience wrote:

That would be correct.

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)


sLaiNi wrote:

Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
What about timezones. That isn't fair.
sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

notscience wrote:

That would be correct.

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)


sLaiNi wrote:

Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
What about timezones. That isn't fair.
It's 00:50 here.
If someone posted in the last 10 minutes, I supposed they weren't going to just post something and then just leave without any reason.
sLaiNi
If we assume that scum submit their nightkill and they didn't notice Zexion being replaced, it would be quite smart to use Jess, as there was a high possibility for her neighbour to be inactive the whole day 3 before getting Modkilled. That would require them not changing the Nightkiller after the replacement happened.
notscience
You know what I love

When someone repeats so adamantly that a player should be PL'd

That a player will be sorted out by the sounds

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!

That all seems Kosher.

It's Drezi/Jess/Someone.
sLaiNi
Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.

Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
sLaiNi
Welp, didn't read your post there, but there we got the same thoughts.
notscience

Haneii wrote:

Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?

Do you think any protective role would target jess?
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
sLaiNi
My gosh my spelling there was horrible :x
Haneii

notscience wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?

Do you think any protective role would target jess?
No, I don't think anyone protected her. I think there could be more investigative roles.
Drezi
So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
Good point there, I migh've been a bit too excited there. Give me some minutes to think about that.
Ace Timing
Who said anything about neighbors?
notscience
Then why are you chainsawing Jess so hard?
Drezi

notscience wrote:

When someone repeats so adamantly that a player should be PL'd

That a player will be sorted out by the sounds

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
This is wrong on so many levels, want me to correct everything one by one?
notscience
Sure!

Be sure to go into your ISO and quote the exact points where I am wrong, so we all can see how much of a liar I am!
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
sLaiNi
Magic Bomb, if you read this after waking up or anything, please post what you've heard.
Topic Starter
Sakura
notscience's ISO has been added
Vote Count 3.02

-[Jess]- (1) - notscience
notscience (1) - Drezi

Not Voting (8) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Amianki, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Ace Timing
@notty any particular reason why you aren't voting Drezi?
sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
Right, we still have to assume that there are roles that modify the sound. Maybe even unknown passives?
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

@notty any particular reason why you aren't voting Drezi?
He/She is.
Ace Timing
But he/she isn't.
Drezi
1) I was not pushing hard for Jess to be PL-d, simply I would have preferred a Jess PL over the Frostings lynch at DL when there was no realistic chance of anything else going through.

2) This point actually contradicts the third, where you say SUDDENLY readflip... This had been my original stance, only changed at the end of D1 as I said in 1).

3) I had been V/LA all D2 you know, didn't have the chance to voice my opinion throughout the day.

You go and check my ISO and quote if you think you can prove anything wrong here...
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

But he/she isn't.
Too late here, I make too many mistakes in my thoughtprocess. Actually I should go to bed if noone has any questions left.
Drezi

Haneii wrote:

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.
But he suggested that Jess made the NK, and I'm scum with her, my reply addressed that.

Haneii wrote:

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
I thought Zexion was scum. pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum. Yes I want him lynched.
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

I thought Zexion was scum. .

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.

In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
Amianki
Vote: sLaiNi
Amianki
I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Drezi

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.

In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.
Amianki
I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.

Not really. Looks like scum hasn't been using it or didn't think to use it (thanks for pointing it out to them, though). Is that why you're voting slaini?


Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Haneii
you can ignore my question in the above post, I didn't see last 2 posts on the last page.
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.

You ignored the post before this one?


So you're saying, notscience felt threatened based on their MS history? Really?
Drezi
*gasp* yes, really!

read my iso.
Drezi
also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
Amianki

Haneii wrote:

Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

Magic Bomb, if you read this after waking up or anything, please post what you've heard.
I heard nothing tonight. Also sorry for not lynching yesterday, I literally woke up like 5 minutes after deadline ;w;
Amianki
ffs
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

read my iso.

I already did:

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?


Drezi wrote:

also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
You're seem pretty confident she'll be NK if she roleclaims. Why?
Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.

Some of us could also have no choice because we don't have a night action. Some us could have performed our night action and still claim "we heard no sound".

Yeah, scum can "try" and use it to narrow down PRs, but town can make of use of it as well (activity near suspicious players, players lying about hearing/not hearing anything etc..). However, there's no consistent way for either group to use the information/ie: it's not 100%
Amianki
People lying about hearing or not hearing anything is NULL because town have just as much reason to lie about it as scum. The difference is scum will immediately be able to tell if someone's a town PR or not.

So yes, it's not 100% for either side, but it's a higher chance of helping scum than town, especially since we only have one bit of info that might have any relevance whatsoever. The problem is just knowing that Jess used an action or had an action used on her is completely useless by itself because it's just as likely that it's from town rather than scum.
Amianki
The issue is that PRs can lie without knowing about it and scum are in a much better position to pick up on that than anything town can get from this massclaim.

The massclaim was terrible and sLaiNi better have a really good reason for suggesting it if he is town. Until he does, I'm keeping my vote on him until either he dies or I die.
-[Jess]-
plz i just a VT
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.

Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.


Haneii wrote:

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
I said I was suspecting Drezi for sheeping me near the end of D2 and you sure weren't in the discussion. Suddenly on D3 you decided to react to it. Really now.


notscience wrote:

Then why are you chainsawing Jess so hard?
tbh I don't trust Jess that much anymore. She literally pulled the sympathy card and just bc I was town in Lupus, I sure didn't 100% pull the sympathy card for town AFTER SELF VOTING MYSELF THAT GAME.(I made town counter wagon on scum instead of pulling plz pity me on them fyi)

Haneii wrote:

I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?
one huge rule. Never trust a replacement slot bc on my first game in that mafiascum site, the scums replaced out....before D1 ended if I remembered. That or THEY WERE LURKING BIG TIME AND ACTING LIKE THEY WERE "NEW" to gain sympathy. Gee I wonder why.

Note:Pretty sure with pie being ABOVE me you ought to know what sound I heard(Unless you still think I'm a visiting town PR which then feel free scums. your gonna have to deal with me sooner or later anyway). In the first place isn't the only one who can hear sounds NON VISITING people? Why are we outing the sounds so that all the visiting PR can get killed?

I can also HALF confirm that MB sound is legit.


I am going to sleep in less than an hour.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.03

-[Jess]- (1) - notscience
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (7) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Drezi

notscience wrote:

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
Also other than me being V/LA whole day and my stance regarding her staying consistent throughout the game, Zexion hadn't even been attacking Jess at all, so you saying I'm chainsawing the fuck out of her just shows you're making shit up, using stuff that happened later (you pushing Jess, and me still pushing you D3).
Drezi

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

read my iso.
I already did:
Yes, and you missed half the stuff and simplified the rest so much that it's misrepresenting my actual stance, you don't need to quote that post again...

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
You're seem pretty confident she'll be NK if she roleclaims. Why?
This doesn't even make sense. What I said is I'd be happy if she were NK-d, because obviously I don't particularly enjoy having her in the game, and with people pushing for her lynch, if she's town, her getting NK-d due to a claim would be way better than getting mislynched or distracting town all the time.

Also notsci claimed hearing noises from her, and she claimed VT, so if notsci isn't lying it means someone must have targeted her last night if she's town, and there's a fair chance that we'll be able to verify that at some point.
notscience
More Jess votes, please.
-[Jess]-
why more Jess vote?
Drezi

notscience wrote:

I'm also sheeping pie!

vote jess

notscience wrote:

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
"Just so we're clear why Jess should be lynched."
Drezi

notscience wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.
Just so we're all clear on why I should have been lynched yesterday.

notscience wrote:

You proposed this slot as an inactive lynch as a counterwagon to jess who was inactive
And you purposefully deleted the whole part of my quote where I explained why I think Jess is town/a bad lynch (despite being inactive), which is a major factor for me proposing a different lynch in the first place. p/4461435/ p/4462009/

notscience wrote:

and said you're scumreading me for reasons I don't particularly care for.
And that totally explains why you're not scum, right.
Haneii

Drezi wrote:

Yes, and you missed half the stuff and simplified the rest so much that it's misrepresenting my actual stance, you don't need to quote that post again...
You could have dipped into your iso, link/quote the posts, and prove me wrong. You obviously don't mind going through your iso and posting links when you feel like you're being misrepresented:

Drezi wrote:

And you purposefully deleted the whole part of my quote where I explained why I think Jess is town/a bad lynch (despite being inactive), which is a major factor for me proposing a different lynch in the first place. p/4461435/ p/4462009/
I don't mind you thinking Jess is town or a bad choice for a lynch. What bugs me is your randomly placed vote/random push.

@Setsuen, why do you think you haven't been NK yet?



Vote: Jess


Drezi wrote:

I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3


Yet you're still voting NS.


That should put her to 3.
sLaiNi
I think it's just plain funny that Amianki is scumpainting me as hell for trying to get informations, while the only information we got ATM is the sound that Jess made and I searched for any counter sounds, so that there is a possible other sound that actually made a kill and jess just using a powerrole.

Amianki wrote:

I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.

Amianki wrote:

I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.

Amianki wrote:

The massclaim was terrible and sLaiNi better have a really good reason for suggesting it if he is town. Until he does, I'm keeping my vote on him until either he dies or I die.
And when Drezi literally plans to get roles:

Drezi wrote:

also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
She just ignores it. So if you hate any try to get information about sounds and roles, why isn't it a problem when Drezi makes plans about it?
Amianki
1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.

2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.

Yeah, this is a scum slot.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.

2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.

Yeah, this is a scum slot.
Wait, first you say that she is close to a lynch and therefor should claim, and then you say you agree with Drezi, that she shouldn't be lynched and instead should be nightkilled?
sLaiNi

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Also you state that getting soundclaims out of people is PRfishing and that it wouldn't help town as much as it would help scum?

Let's make a short time travel there to start of Day2:


Zexion wrote:

Also should we claim what we heard on night? Honest question here e_e, I'm kinda confused about what I heard.

Amianki wrote:

PEdit: yeah
Right before claiming what she heard.
Amianki
Yeah, because it's perfectly valid to go for a lynch on someone and see if it's worthwhile to make scum sort them or not.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.
Amianki literally said nothing to counter my comment down there.
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

Yeah, because it's perfectly valid to go for a lynch on someone and see if it's worthwhile to make scum sort them or not.
Also how can you know that scum would "sort them out". Actually that would only work if someone knows 100% that Jess is town, and the only ones that can know that are scum.
Amianki

sLaiNi wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Also you state that getting soundclaims out of people is PRfishing and that it wouldn't help town as much as it would help scum?

Let's make a short time travel there to start of Day2:


Zexion wrote:

Also should we claim what we heard on night? Honest question here e_e, I'm kinda confused about what I heard.

Amianki wrote:

PEdit: yeah
Right before claiming what she heard.
It's a completely different situation when the sound info is completely unexpected from what we were told about the setup. Zexion hinting that he got a similar result to mine made me suspicious that there was foul play involved somewhere and it's important to know whether it was town doing the horribly anti-town thing or not.
Amianki

sLaiNi wrote:

Amianki wrote:

Yeah, because it's perfectly valid to go for a lynch on someone and see if it's worthwhile to make scum sort them or not.
Also how can you know that scum would "sort them out". Actually that would only work if someone knows 100% that Jess is town, and the only ones that can know that are scum.
If she claims a PR and lives, then she's either scum who lied (which has a high chance of a counter claim) or scum think her PR isn't good enough to warrant a kill. If she dies, then scum just got rid of a player that would have gotten lynched instead, which gains town a tempo.

All of this is a huge gamble for scum and the rewards aren't even all that great if it succeeds since it's basically a guarantee that she'll be sorted again if she lives long enough.
Haneii
She claimed vanilla town.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.04

-[Jess]- (3) - notscience, Haneii [L-3]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (6) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Ace Timing
Nice to know there are more day specific double voters.
Setsuen

Haneii wrote:

@Setsuen, why do you think you haven't been NK yet?
Scums are continuing the tradition of keeping me alive no matter what unless I claimed some important town PR like doctor which then I die N1.

Amianki wrote:

1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.

2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.

Yeah, this is a scum slot.
One of my post literally listed the possible scum tea. We lynch one scum it's probably GG. End of story.

Ace Timing wrote:

Nice to know there are more day specific double voters.
Which means there is probably one scum among them amiright?
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

Haneii wrote:

@Setsuen, why do you think you haven't been NK yet?
Scums are continuing the tradition of keeping me alive no matter what unless I claimed some important town PR like doctor which then I die N1.

Amianki wrote:

1. Getting claims from scummy players when they're close to a lynch is standard and I can see town wanting scum to sort out Jess for town once and for all.

2. sLaiNi literally said nothing to counter my assertions and the push onto Drezi is a sidestep to deflect pressure.

Yeah, this is a scum slot.
One of my post literally listed the possible scum tea. We lynch one scum it's probably GG. End of story.

Ace Timing wrote:

Nice to know there are more day specific double voters.
Which means there is probably one scum among them amiright?
How do you come to such an assumption?
Amianki

Haneii wrote:

She claimed vanilla town.
I'm well aware. The exact time I'm talking about was before the claim.
Ace Timing
@slaini assuming that you're referring to the last Setsuen quote, that is a perfectly sound assumption; it would be weird for three extremely similar roles to be present and all be on the same alignment.

Also in case you haven't noticed, the phrase "amiright" indicates a state of half joking and half serious.
Haneii
@Ace & slaini: Ready to vote?
sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

@Ace & slaini: Ready to vote?
I am.

Vote: Jess

@Ace

So you mean I (knowing for myself that I am town), should start looking for scum in Haneii and you?

TbH I read Hanei more town than I do to you ATM, even though this doesn't mean I read you scum.
Ace Timing
Not necessarily, I am just stating that his assumption is reasonable. If you believe it to be correct, by all means do so.
notscience
Chugga chugga chugga chugga

WOO WOOOOOOOO
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

How do you come to such an assumption?
What Ace said. The chances of double voters who are ALL town are the same as there being another town miller in game other than me AFTER I claimed.

Ace Timing wrote:

Not necessarily, I am just stating that his assumption is reasonable. If you believe it to be correct, by all means do so.
Use your logic of probability. There SHOULD be one scum double voter. IDC.



I STILL SAY SLANI+ZEXION(NOTSCIENCE)+maybe more people scum team OR DREZI+RB+maybe more people scum team.
Pick your side now. Notscience OR Jess.
Setsuen
SHOULD BE AT LEAST ONE SCUM DOUBLE VOTER*

YES I AM TYPING IN CAPS BC I SHOULD BE CORRECT.
Setsuen

notscience wrote:

Chugga chugga chugga chugga

WOO WOOOOOOOO
Stop choo chooing. You stated VERY few of your reads for people which make me suspicious that you DID NOT READ the entire D1 and 2. Also there is like 4days before DL so type more and slower bandwagon formation.
notscience
I, in all honesty, did not read any of your posts of the parts of the game I have read.

I ultimately replaced in to play with pie (who died).

Which, also begs the question how drezi knows about the dynamic between me and pie.
Drezi
Why do you think pie got killed notsci? What's your read of Ace, Magic Bomb, sLaiNi? Anyone else perhaps? Choochooing the easiest lynch and misrepping me doesn't really help.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 3.05

-[Jess]- (4) - notscience, Haneii, sLaiNi [L-2]
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (5) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
notscience
because she was pushing Jess.

Which I've said already.

In all honesty, what they've posted is forgettable.

I think Ank has a point regarding Slaini's fishing, however I don't think scum would be blatant about the fishing so it makes me think slaini is town.
notscience
Er, Amiank.
notscience
I also agree with sets that one of the doublevoters is scum.
Setsuen
so basically MB has only posted 1post for D3 and even though I sort of townread MB. With this kind of post count, I can't bring myself to trust her.
Raging Bull
Back. Will post after work.

@NS i think drezi has been pushing Jess for d1 then read her as town d3. I cant get much from that seeing jess's old games were all her getting PLd
Raging Bull
Pushing jess d1 was a PL afaik.
Haneii
Off topic: Nuuuu, one of you should be clownpiece (or at least different form/hair colour).


@Ace and RB: Do you guys have anyone you'd like to vote?
Topic Starter
Sakura

Haneii wrote:

Off topic: Nuuuu, one of you should be clownpiece (or at least different form/hair colour).
But GIF is clownpiece! (albeit not in his osu! avatar)
Ace Timing
@haneii not at the moment.
-[Jess]-
hello.

reading now,post later
Drezi

notscience wrote:

because she was pushing Jess.

Which I've said already.
And with that you also seemed to suggest that Jess made the NK, still think that's the case? Also even if not about Ace, you're bound to have an opinion regarding something about Magic Bomb - me pushing him, him having been sure I'm scum, his BD claim and him causing/not causing the noise N1 etc.
MBomb

-[Jess]- wrote:

hello.

reading now,post later
This was 5 hours ago, can you say about what your thoughts are?
MBomb
@everyone: what's with suddenly taking almost all pressure off Zexion/ns? Unless literally the only reason you were voting them was because they were getting a replacement and you didn't know if they'd find one, but that seems ridiculous.
MBomb

notscience wrote:

I, in all honesty, did not read any of your posts of the parts of the game I have read.

I ultimately replaced in to play with pie (who died).

Which, also begs the question how drezi knows about the dynamic between me and pie.
Honestly, although I can understand reading Setsuen's textwalls can be annoying, you should at least skim read them if anything to get the general message of them. Reading the posts of all players is important.
MBomb
Hmm also, Jess, could we please hear what you heard? According to a post earlier, you're a VT, so you couldn't have done any action, so you must've heard sounds, right?
-[Jess]-

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Hmm also, Jess, could we please hear what you heard? According to a post earlier, you're a VT, so you couldn't have done any action, so you must've heard sounds, right?
Idk why I I can't hear things
Raging Bull
In Hindsight, I do believe posting what we heard or not is a bad idea. Read that somewhere from CB. Although I sure don't like Slaini asking people what they heard or not. What did you get from that Slaini?

@Haneii, I still think Slaini is scum but no one wants to vote him. I don't really like the fast wagon on Jess by NS, but I can't see NS doing something so rash unless he knows something. I think the longer Jess is alive later, it would be more troublesome.

Haneii wrote:

In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.

I don't think so, with pieguy reading me as town because of redo's post, he should have a read on Zexion by then.


Amianki wrote:

People lying about hearing or not hearing anything is NULL because town have just as much reason to lie about it as scum. The difference is scum will immediately be able to tell if someone's a town PR or not.
Actually not true. Someone can claim to hear something when in fact the person was targeted instead. It only gives a general idea, but I still believe what you said is true with not claiming sounds.


-[Jess]- wrote:

plz i just a VT
Somehow this just doesn't sound right. I feel like there is sarcasm involved here.

Setsuen wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.

Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.

I disagree. It would get really suspicious to keep people who town read you alive, because they would see it as you keeping them alive to vote for other person.

Drezi wrote:

This doesn't even make sense. What I said is I'd be happy if she were NK-d, because obviously I don't particularly enjoy having her in the game, and with people pushing for her lynch, if she's town, her getting NK-d due to a claim would be way better than getting mislynched or distracting town all the time.

Also notsci claimed hearing noises from her, and she claimed VT, so if notsci isn't lying it means someone must have targeted her last night if she's town, and there's a fair chance that we'll be able to verify that at some point.
The chance of her getting NK'd at this point I feel is like 0. All she's good for scum is keeping her alive in hopes town would lynch her due to playstyle. Why do you believe her VT claim?


Setsuen wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

How do you come to such an assumption?
What Ace said. The chances of double voters who are ALL town are the same as there being another town miller in game other than me AFTER I claimed.
Agreed!

Setsuen wrote:

I STILL SAY SLANI+ZEXION(NOTSCIENCE)+maybe more people scum team OR DREZI+RB+maybe more people scum team.
Pick your side now. Notscience OR Jess.
ew no. Personally so far I believe Jess+Slaini. I can't bring myself to believe Drezi is defending Jess still.

Slaini more than Jess, with me voting Jess as more of a PL vote really.
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