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Drezi
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Drezi
@Haneii and pie: You haven't played with Jess before, she's on a completely different level than what you are used to/would expect, what she has done this game so far makes me think she's town, and her doing nothing is definitely not alignment indicative.

I think Jess lynch is shit today, noone can be blamed for wanting her lynched off, and we don't get any additional information from her flip. I still think we'll be able to read her better based on night results, if we wanted to PL, it should have happened D1, and noone wanted that, now we can't just do a semi-PL due to inactivity again.

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.

Vote: Zexion
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

-[Jess]- wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

unvote

I will do a try,thank you.and I should give up on that.
Typo
*Shouldn't
That's a good thing there. Thank you for that.

Drezi wrote:

what she has done this game so far makes me think she's town, and her doing nothing is definitely not alignment indicative.
I wouldn't say it's town indicative for her, still it's not scum indicative, too.

Drezi wrote:

noone can be blamed for wanting her lynched off, and we don't get any additional information from her flip
Rather that a valid reasoning there.

Still I have some points which I will make clear right now.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Setsuen was trying 1v1 somebody so hard. (I think he is try to scumpaint them while 1v1,and lynch them.It is a genius idea btw,but fail)
This might sound like a scumpartner slip there. Still I would take into consideration that Jess seems to have some problems with expressing herself in English, so it might be a missunderstanding there.

[

So this wouldn't make sense after she literally called Setsuen out for scumpainting.

But Drezi made some good points about that being Jess' playstyle.


I am not 100% sure about a Zexion lynch, yet.

I would rather wait for Sakura to explain if he will stay alive until D3 end or until D2 end. If it's D3 end I am going to vote for him eitherway, just because we will get nothing out of an AFK slot.

Unvote: Jess
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi

sLaiNi wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Setsuen was trying 1v1 somebody so hard. (I think he is try to scumpaint them while 1v1,and lynch them.It is a genius idea btw,but fail)
This might sound like a scumpartner slip there. Still I would take into consideration that Jess seems to have some problems with expressing herself in English, so it might be a missunderstanding there.
Well duh, it could mean Setsuen+Jess scumteam, but I think she meant that Setsuen is trying to catch scum by 1v1-ing people. I'm interested what others think of this though!

sLaiNi wrote:

I would rather wait for Sakura to explain if he will stay alive until D3 end or until D2 end.
She already clarified it's D3 end.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi
*sigh*
So inactivity is getting us to that point...

Vote: Zexion
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Drezi wrote:

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?)

Setsuen wrote:

I'm now waiting for Zexion to be mod killed.

Drezi wrote:

Well duh, it could mean Setsuen+Jess scumteam, but I think she meant that Setsuen is trying to catch scum by 1v1-ing people. I'm interested what others think of this though!.
No. Trying to 1v1 ppl to catch scum is what I am doing but she says I am trying to paint people as scum which is diff from catching scum through 1v1

Vote:Zexion

FINALLY
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

No. Trying to 1v1 ppl to catch scum is what I am doing but she says I am trying to paint people as scum which is diff from catching scum through 1v1
You are also stating that you are the best player and that everyone who you call out for being scum must be 100% scum, and that is also not true. So why believe your difference between scumpainting and scumhunting.

Actually scumhunting would result in you saying "Okay, he behaved fine in this 1o1, he must be town", but you never state out something like that.
Setsuen
106 posts
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Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Actually scumhunting would result in you saying "Okay, he behaved fine in this 1o1, he must be town", but you never state out something like that.
Anyone who seen me in Lupus know that either 1.people tell me to stop 1v1ing bc it is most likely town vs town or 2.people doesn't say anything and therefore whoever I am 1v1ing is scum.


Try again.
Ace Timing
4 posts
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Ace Timing
And Frostings was scum based on this method, so it's obviously not too effective.
Setsuen
106 posts
Joined May 2013
Setsuen

Ace Timing wrote:

And Frostings was scum based on this method, so it's obviously not too effective.

I barely even 1v1ed Frosting and I told people to COUNTERWAGON ZEXION. Trying to discredit this is just super scummy.
Ace Timing
4 posts
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Ace Timing
Ah, I forgot, you weren't the one pushing Frostings, sorry then.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
zzz so good that people don't even care to show up near DL. do we want a Jess lynch instead of NL if it comes down to that?.. I kinda think she's town based on how she tried to post reads and ended up not being able to feel confident in neither town nor scumreads, and that self-vote later..
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii
Unvote

Vote:zexion

Wanna hammer, ace?
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
if Ace voted Zexion he'd be L-1 though.
Drezi
217 posts
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Drezi
^ninja'd, you appeared right when I posted first :P
Setsuen
106 posts
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Setsuen

Drezi wrote:

if Ace voted Zexion he'd be L-1 though.
and isn't Ace double voter and aren't the votes on Zexion currently at 4?
Amianki
85 posts
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Amianki
Vote: Zexion
Sakura
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Sakura
After a lot of arguing the members of the treehouse couldn't agree on who to hang.
Then the sunset indicated the start of the night, and it was too late to continue voting.
So everyone went back to their houses.

Final Vote Count Day 2

Zexion (5) - Drezi, sLaiNi, Setsuen, Haneii, Amianki [L-1]
Ace Timing (2) - Ace Timing
-[Jess]- (1) - pieguy1372

Not Voting (4) - Magic Bomb -, Zexion, Raging Bull, -[Jess]-

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch

No one was lynched Day 2
Sakura
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Sakura
~Night 2~
- The Register -
Current Housing
[pieguy1372]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[Zexion]
[-[Jess]-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]


All Night actions are due within 24 hours of this post
Sakura
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Sakura
notscience replaces Zexion effective immediately.
Sakura
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You gather at the tree, you find the person in charge of the house keys... lying dead on the floor, seems like they never found the keys

pieguy1372 Treehouse Keymaster (Town Night 5 Compulsive Strongwilled Global Roleblocker) was killed Night 2
pieguy1372

Sakura wrote:

Hi, you are a Treehouse Keymaster (Town N5 Compulsive Strongwilled Global Roleblocker)
You have the keys to everyone's house, but someone has stolen them, it'll take you 5 whole days to find them, once you find them, you'll lock out everyone in their house for the night.
N5 Compulsive Strongwilled Global Roleblocker: At Night 5 if you're still alive, every player will be roleblocked, you can't choose to not do this. This action cannot be prevented in any way and will take over every single action during that Night.

You when when all the invaders have been kicked out of the treehouse
~Day 3~
- The Key Maker -
Current Housing
[-VACANT-]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Haneii]
[Raging Bull]
[-VACANT-]
[Amianki]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[notscience]
[-[Jess]-]
[-VACANT-]
[Drezi]

Deadline is in 7 days or on 9/4 16:30 GMT-5

Vote Count 3.0

Not Voting (10) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Amianki, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, notscience, -[Jess]-, Drezi

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
notscience
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notscience
Hi guys.

I'm town.
notscience
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notscience
I'm also sheeping pie!

vote jess
notscience
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notscience
Drezi, how close are you and jess?
Sakura
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Vote Count 3.01

-[Jess]- (1) - notscience

Not Voting (9) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Amianki, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-, Drezi

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Amianki
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Amianki
This setup is really confusing.
notscience
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notscience
You're really confusing.

Join my righteous pursuit.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
No sound above or below.
Raging Bull
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Raging Bull
Forgot to add.

V/LA 24 hours today
notscience
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notscience
Hi there RB

Join my righteous pursuit.
Drezi
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Drezi
Vote: notscience
Haneii
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Haneii

Amianki wrote:

This setup is really confusing.

What makes you say that? o.o



I didn't hear anything last night. I'll assume MB and RB did not perform any actions nor were they targeted last night.



Drezi wrote:

Vote: notscience
Is this based on something that happened last night, or are you sticking with your vote from yesterday?
Sakura
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In case it wasn't evident, if you didnt receive any PM about sounds, you didn't hear anything in either direction.
notscience
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notscience
I asked you a question, Drezi.
Drezi
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Drezi
Zexion should've been lynched yesterday (Ace I'm looking at you) + pie got NK-d
notscience
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notscience
I asked you a question, Drezi.
notscience
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notscience

Drezi wrote:

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.

Vote: Zexion
Just so we're all clear on why I should have been lynched yesterday.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
I heard nothing this night.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing

notscience wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.

Vote: Zexion
Just so we're all clear on why I should have been lynched yesterday.
He meant that I was supposed to hammer.
notscience
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notscience
Hey slaini do you know anything about the dynamic between drezi and jess?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Please everyone post what you've heard as fast as possible.
notscience
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notscience

Ace Timing wrote:

notscience wrote:

He meant that I was supposed to hammer.
No, he was asked why he voted me.

He said I should have been lynched yesterday.

I quoted his reasoning for wanting to lynch me yesterday.

Your lack of a hammer has nothing to do with the reasoning behind his vote.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

notscience wrote:

Hey slaini do you know anything about the dynamic between drezi and jess?
I rather want to hear what Drezi has to answer to your question.
notscience
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notscience
Hey slaini, do you think I heard something?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

notscience wrote:

Hey slaini, do you think I heard something?
In my kind of calculation, the chance that you've heard something is pretty high
Drezi
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Drezi

notscience wrote:

Drezi wrote:

Lynch Zexion (Setsuen why aren't you voting him?) at least there are people defending him others scumreading him etc. I totally don't want an inactive slot for whole D3, especially given that I'm scumreading the slot.

Vote: Zexion
Just so we're all clear on why I should have been lynched yesterday.
Yeah, I don't see the problem.

Have you read the game?
notscience
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notscience
That would be correct.

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
I want everyone to post his noises with his next post. Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
Drezi
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Drezi

notscience wrote:

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
So you're saying scum sent the person who almost got lynched to make the NK? :^)
notscience
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notscience

Drezi wrote:

notscience wrote:

Yeah, I don't see the problem.

Have you read the game?
My problem is that you've avoided my question regarding your dynamic with jess 3 times.

You proposed this slot as an inactive lynch as a counterwagon to jess who was inactive, and said you're scumreading me for reasons I don't particularly care for.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
How do I post something nonexistent?
Drezi
217 posts
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Drezi
I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

How do I post something nonexistent?
So you say you heard nothing. I don't want any rhetorical answer, just I heard x from below/above or I heard nothing.
Haneii
1,203 posts
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Haneii

notscience wrote:

That would be correct.

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)


sLaiNi wrote:

Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
What about timezones. That isn't fair.
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

notscience wrote:

That would be correct.

I heard something below me.

And the person who was pushing the something below me yesterday is dead.
Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)


sLaiNi wrote:

Everyone who posted the past 10 minutes and doesnt do it will get instant scumread.
What about timezones. That isn't fair.
It's 00:50 here.
If someone posted in the last 10 minutes, I supposed they weren't going to just post something and then just leave without any reason.
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi
If we assume that scum submit their nightkill and they didn't notice Zexion being replaced, it would be quite smart to use Jess, as there was a high possibility for her neighbour to be inactive the whole day 3 before getting Modkilled. That would require them not changing the Nightkiller after the replacement happened.
notscience
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notscience
You know what I love

When someone repeats so adamantly that a player should be PL'd

That a player will be sorted out by the sounds

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!

That all seems Kosher.

It's Drezi/Jess/Someone.
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi
Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.

Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Welp, didn't read your post there, but there we got the same thoughts.
notscience
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notscience

Haneii wrote:

Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?

Do you think any protective role would target jess?
Haneii
1,203 posts
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
sLaiNi
34 posts
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sLaiNi
My gosh my spelling there was horrible :x
Haneii
1,203 posts
Joined November 2009
Haneii

notscience wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Awesome. Still, it could be that someone targeted her (investigated her?)
We have a flipped Cop. Do you think there are two investigative roles?

Do you think any protective role would target jess?
No, I don't think anyone protected her. I think there could be more investigative roles.
Drezi
217 posts
Joined January 2014
Drezi
So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
sLaiNi
34 posts
Joined May 2013
sLaiNi

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?
Good point there, I migh've been a bit too excited there. Give me some minutes to think about that.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
Who said anything about neighbors?
notscience
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notscience
Then why are you chainsawing Jess so hard?
Drezi
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Drezi

notscience wrote:

When someone repeats so adamantly that a player should be PL'd

That a player will be sorted out by the sounds

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
This is wrong on so many levels, want me to correct everything one by one?
notscience
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notscience
Sure!

Be sure to go into your ISO and quote the exact points where I am wrong, so we all can see how much of a liar I am!
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi
Magic Bomb, if you read this after waking up or anything, please post what you've heard.
Sakura
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notscience's ISO has been added
Vote Count 3.02

-[Jess]- (1) - notscience
notscience (1) - Drezi

Not Voting (8) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Amianki, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
@notty any particular reason why you aren't voting Drezi?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

So I'm scum with Jess and I got her to make the NK, hoping that Zexion wouldn't get replaced (even though Sakura clearly stated that he had been well before night end), while I don't even have a neighbour?

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
Right, we still have to assume that there are roles that modify the sound. Maybe even unknown passives?
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

@notty any particular reason why you aren't voting Drezi?
He/She is.
Ace Timing
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Ace Timing
But he/she isn't.
Drezi
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Drezi
1) I was not pushing hard for Jess to be PL-d, simply I would have preferred a Jess PL over the Frostings lynch at DL when there was no realistic chance of anything else going through.

2) This point actually contradicts the third, where you say SUDDENLY readflip... This had been my original stance, only changed at the end of D1 as I said in 1).

3) I had been V/LA all D2 you know, didn't have the chance to voice my opinion throughout the day.

You go and check my ISO and quote if you think you can prove anything wrong here...
sLaiNi
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sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

But he/she isn't.
Too late here, I make too many mistakes in my thoughtprocess. Actually I should go to bed if noone has any questions left.
Drezi
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Drezi

Haneii wrote:

You could have still performed the NK. Just because NS heard a noise doesn't mean she performed any actions.
But he suggested that Jess made the NK, and I'm scum with her, my reply addressed that.

Haneii wrote:

Drezi, do you still want to lynch NS over Jess?
I thought Zexion was scum. pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum. Yes I want him lynched.
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

I thought Zexion was scum. .

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.

In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
Amianki
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Amianki
Vote: sLaiNi
Amianki
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Amianki
I'm like 90% sure he's fishing for PRs with this massclaim sounds BS, since there's very close to no way this will be better info for town than scum.
Drezi
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Drezi

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

pie NK is the NK notscience would make as scum.
Not really. Pie didn't have anything on zexion, and he was pushing for a Jess lynch.

In the case of zexion, it came down to activity. With notscience replacing in, pie would/should have be null reading the slot. I guess what I'm trying to say is if NS is scum, he'd shouldn't have felt threatened by Pie.
notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.
Amianki
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Amianki
I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.
Haneii
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Haneii

Amianki wrote:

I really really wish 80% of the playerlist hadn't already claimed sounds. This is really big info for scum to have and we've gotten basically fuck all from it.

Not really. Looks like scum hasn't been using it or didn't think to use it (thanks for pointing it out to them, though). Is that why you're voting slaini?


Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Haneii
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Haneii
you can ignore my question in the above post, I didn't see last 2 posts on the last page.
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

notscience and pie know each other well, and pie is a threat to him, more so than other players he doesn't know.

You ignored the post before this one?


So you're saying, notscience felt threatened based on their MS history? Really?
Drezi
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Drezi
*gasp* yes, really!

read my iso.
Drezi
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Drezi
also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
Amianki
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Amianki

Haneii wrote:

Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.
MBomb
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

Magic Bomb, if you read this after waking up or anything, please post what you've heard.
I heard nothing tonight. Also sorry for not lynching yesterday, I literally woke up like 5 minutes after deadline ;w;
Amianki
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Amianki
ffs
Haneii
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Haneii

Drezi wrote:

read my iso.

I already did:

Haneii wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I'm not avoiding your question, it should be painfully obvious if you read the game.

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?


Drezi wrote:

also we can make Jess roleclaim, I'd be more than happy to have her sorted by an NK.
You're seem pretty confident she'll be NK if she roleclaims. Why?
Haneii
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Haneii

Amianki wrote:

Haneii wrote:

Btw, some of us could have chosen not to perform any actions last night (and the night before) so we may hear sounds. Just saying.
Yeah, that's the entire point. There's no consistent way that town can use to narrow anything down, while scum can use that exact same info to narrow down PRs.

Some of us could also have no choice because we don't have a night action. Some us could have performed our night action and still claim "we heard no sound".

Yeah, scum can "try" and use it to narrow down PRs, but town can make of use of it as well (activity near suspicious players, players lying about hearing/not hearing anything etc..). However, there's no consistent way for either group to use the information/ie: it's not 100%
Amianki
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Joined January 2011
Amianki
People lying about hearing or not hearing anything is NULL because town have just as much reason to lie about it as scum. The difference is scum will immediately be able to tell if someone's a town PR or not.

So yes, it's not 100% for either side, but it's a higher chance of helping scum than town, especially since we only have one bit of info that might have any relevance whatsoever. The problem is just knowing that Jess used an action or had an action used on her is completely useless by itself because it's just as likely that it's from town rather than scum.
Amianki
85 posts
Joined January 2011
Amianki
The issue is that PRs can lie without knowing about it and scum are in a much better position to pick up on that than anything town can get from this massclaim.

The massclaim was terrible and sLaiNi better have a really good reason for suggesting it if he is town. Until he does, I'm keeping my vote on him until either he dies or I die.
-[Jess]-
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-[Jess]-
plz i just a VT
Setsuen
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Joined May 2013
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

Also, in case that Drezi is scum, she tried to scumpaint Zexion to give her Partner (Jess) free space after Zexion gets lycnhed, so they would have 2 scums without neighbours.

Then an assumption could be Setsuen being scum, the kill pieguy first (as he was rather townread and MB was close to getting lynched anyway) and then, next night they wanted to kill MB, so Setsuen would also be free. So basically after the next day they would be completely undetectable.
Except I wouldn't kill people who would townread me seeing that if I was indeed invader, there is a high chance that I owuld be the last one to be lynched therefore not killing whoever town read me would have been the way to go. You obv haven't played enough epicmafia sandbox lobby to know that mafia usually kill people who voted them.


Haneii wrote:

I have to disagree. Besides inactivity, you didn't have much of a reason for voting zexion yesterday (You started off wanting to place votes to pressure but then you started pushing the lynch. Why?)

And on day one it was because of joining the MB wagon even though he thought there was a chance they could be town.


Was there any other reason for scum reading the slot?
I said I was suspecting Drezi for sheeping me near the end of D2 and you sure weren't in the discussion. Suddenly on D3 you decided to react to it. Really now.


notscience wrote:

Then why are you chainsawing Jess so hard?
tbh I don't trust Jess that much anymore. She literally pulled the sympathy card and just bc I was town in Lupus, I sure didn't 100% pull the sympathy card for town AFTER SELF VOTING MYSELF THAT GAME.(I made town counter wagon on scum instead of pulling plz pity me on them fyi)

Haneii wrote:

I would still like you to quickly go over why you think the slot is scum and why it makes it more scummy than Jess?
one huge rule. Never trust a replacement slot bc on my first game in that mafiascum site, the scums replaced out....before D1 ended if I remembered. That or THEY WERE LURKING BIG TIME AND ACTING LIKE THEY WERE "NEW" to gain sympathy. Gee I wonder why.

Note:Pretty sure with pie being ABOVE me you ought to know what sound I heard(Unless you still think I'm a visiting town PR which then feel free scums. your gonna have to deal with me sooner or later anyway). In the first place isn't the only one who can hear sounds NON VISITING people? Why are we outing the sounds so that all the visiting PR can get killed?

I can also HALF confirm that MB sound is legit.


I am going to sleep in less than an hour.
Sakura
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-[Jess]- (1) - notscience
notscience (1) - Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Amianki

Not Voting (7) - Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Haneii, Raging Bull, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, -[Jess]-

With 10 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Drezi
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Drezi

notscience wrote:

But when they player is about to be the deadline lynch, they suddenly readflip on them and chainsaw the fuck out of them!
Also other than me being V/LA whole day and my stance regarding her staying consistent throughout the game, Zexion hadn't even been attacking Jess at all, so you saying I'm chainsawing the fuck out of her just shows you're making shit up, using stuff that happened later (you pushing Jess, and me still pushing you D3).
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