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The Mafia Tree - Game Over

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Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.01

Not Voting (11) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Ace Timing, sLaiNi, Zexion, -[Jess]-, Drezi

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
MBomb
Oh, and I'll explain why I'm asking after I've given enough time for everyone to ask (Or someone else may notice why I'm asking if they pay attention).
sLaiNi
I'm so sorry for that Frostings, omg that is so embarrasing.

Zexion wrote:

So Slaini, is your only reason for that hammer the fact "it was almost time"?
That doesn't hit it exactly. The display in the forum which shows when something was posted showed 20:something for the post where Sakura stated "Only 2 hours left" and it was 22:something when I read that. Actually I though the deadline was 20:something, so I rushed into the forums to notice that the DL didn't happen. In my hurry I got confused and just did what I did.

I am so sorry for it, no joke ._.

Navizel wrote:

did he forgot he was double voter
No, I did it intentionally for above reasons.

________

I heard heavy machinery, too. So basically there has to be a rang in that you can hear certain actions.

________


Now to go on with something else

sLaiNi wrote:

-Magic Bomb- wrote:

Also, sLaiNi, are you doublevoter just for today?

In what way would it help if I tell you?

-Magic Bomb- wrote:

I want an answer before I say.
After I answered this with "It's not for a single day" you never explained in what way it would help town if they know it. Actually it's rather senseless, as town could wait and see in day 2 if my votes count double. Scum on the otherhand would need to know it right away at night. So right when you asked this, I was curious and thought that you could be scum, trying to find a PR to lynch at night.
That's why I lied, so here the correction: I am a D1 only doublevote.
I lied to try to get the scum to kill me N1, as I am a Vanilla Townie now and I thought it would be better to let them kill me instead of a possible PR (which they actually managed to kill tonight).

So @Magic Bomb, why did you need to know it Day 1, as you actually would know it right now.

Vote: -Magic Bomb-
Raging Bull
No. Can you answer why you target them? Or prefer later?

Looking through Navizel iso and cant seem to see what he had on CB...
sLaiNi

Amianki wrote:

It's most likely a one-shot scum ability that masks all other sounds for the night. Not worth dwelling on much.
Okay, seems like this rather than what I said.
Ace Timing
@slaini ever heard of lynch all liars?
sLaiNi

Ace Timing wrote:

@slaini ever heard of lynch all liars?
Now that you say it, I might have heard it somewhere passively. It's pretty selfexplaining though.
Drezi
I'll be V/LA most of the day, I'm not happy about sLaiNi but don't get obsessed with him and tunnel him all day long, pretty sure scum would be happy about that, but after all I think it's just sLaiNi being sLaiNi, and DL was already less than an hour away, and it didn't look like Frostings was gonna claim anyway, so I'd rather think it was really just a mistake for now.

Zexion wrote:

Ugh.. they hit the cop. That's pretty bad.
And this is like a classic scumtell, lol.

Pressure MB/Zexion please, also don't let Ace, Amianki and pie lurk whole day, and if for some reason there's no viable wagon after 3 days, start getting serious and stop shitting around and being passive, don't leave any compromise until the deadline like D1,

I heard sounds of heavy machinery too btw, and I don't even have a neighbour. (and I didn't target Amianki/Haneii Mr. Busdriver, who might or might not have actually used up his ability, which could very well be unlimited in fact aswell, to confuse the shit out of town even more later)

Vote: Magic Bomb
Ace Timing
but why would scum kill a double voter anyway? It's not like they absolutely HAVE to kill every PR, only ones that threatens them, and you can be used by them to get other people lynched more quickly. Scum has pretty much no reason to lynch you.
Ace Timing
^ directed at slaini
Drezi
To be honest the Bus Driver claim alone should have been reason enough to lynch him D1...
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

@slaini ever heard of lynch all liars?
Now that you say it, I might have heard it somewhere passively. It's pretty selfexplaining though.
This is basically what I was going for. I was seeing if you'd lie (Seeing as I basically assumed it was a lie from the start, and if you were mafia, you'd have reason to lie about that, as you could set up a mislynch D2 if town drove someone to L-2 without anyone voting you, although now when I think about it that'd be stupid considering you'd be lynched D3 and so you probably wouldn't take that risk), and if you did, and we forced you to vote D2 before we got to that point, it'd be obvious you were lying, and we could lynch you. I did actually answer something when you originally answered the question, but to be honest I'm too lazy to go back and quote it.
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

No. Can you answer why you target them? Or prefer later?
After everyone has answered, yes.
Ace Timing
well my role can't target people, so I obviously didn't target them
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.02

- Magic Bomb - (2) - sLaiNi, Drezi

Not Voting (9) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Ace Timing, Zexion, -[Jess]-

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Drezi

Ace Timing wrote:

well my role can't target people, so I obviously didn't target them
And MB is rolefishing pretty heavily with his request, and getting stupid answers like this, telling scum who not to target...
MBomb
sLalni, why did you lie about being a doublevoter for all days when you're not?
MBomb
inb4 Sakura messed up vote count
MBomb
oh wait just read your post again nevermind
Ace Timing
I don't really care if he rolefishes, my role will become extremely obvious by the end of today. Unless of course I don't use it.
MBomb

Drezi wrote:

And MB is rolefishing pretty heavily with his request, and getting stupid answers like this, telling scum who not to target...
Except I don't care for their role. I just care who they targetted.
sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Drezi wrote:

And MB is rolefishing pretty heavily with his request, and getting stupid answers like this, telling scum who not to target...
Except I don't care for their role. I just care who they targetted.
And this has to do with what you know from your PR?
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

And MB is rolefishing pretty heavily with his request, and getting stupid answers like this, telling scum who not to target...

Except I don't care for their role. I just care who they targetted.
And this has to do with what you know from your PR?
No, it has to do with something that is very easy to notice, but I won't point out exactly what until everyone answers.
MBomb
Oh also, note to Amianki and Haneii, seeing as you're most obvious to notice it, don't point out the reasoning.
Ace Timing
inb4 wifom scumpainting moon logic
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

inb4 wifom scumpainting moon logic
inb4 scumread for joke post :^)
sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

inb4 wifom scumpainting moon logic
inb4 scumread for joke post :^)
I don't see it as joke post. Rather funny that you see it as one.
Setsuen

Zexion wrote:

I heard exactly the same Ace did. Directionless. That would point to Slaini or two people with "heavy machinery".
I also heard heavy machineries

Drezi wrote:

And MB is rolefishing pretty heavily with his request, and getting stupid answers like this, telling scum who not to target...
so how come you didn't accuse Haneii D1 when she tried to fish for my possible real role?

Ace Timing wrote:

I don't really care if he rolefishes, my role will become extremely obvious by the end of today. Unless of course I don't use it.
1-Shot governor confirmed.


Drezi wrote:

To be honest the Bus Driver claim alone should have been reason enough to lynch him D1...
not really. I find most of MB post at the ending half of D1 more town than scummy tbh.
Still upset people did not want to switch the lynch over to Zexion and Frosting, your read on me sux.
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

I don't really care if he rolefishes, my role will become extremely obvious by the end of today. Unless of course I don't use it.
If my guess is right on what your role is, I'd be heavily surprised if you don't use it. However I might be wrong so meh idk.
Ace Timing
@MB humor me, what do you think it is?
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

@MB humor me, what do you think it is?
I'll answer your question with by asking you to do something. Vote someone, please.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.03

- Magic Bomb - (2) - sLaiNi, Drezi

Not Voting (9) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Ace Timing, Zexion, -[Jess]-

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Ace Timing
well shit
Ace Timing
Ace Timing
EDBWOP: [/b]vote Ace Timing[/b]
Ace Timing
wow I'm shit at this vote Ace Timing
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

well shit
Ace Timing
guessing by this reaction that I'm right?
Ace Timing
yeah, since you got it, not reason to keep the vote up
unvote
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

yeah, since you got it, not reason to keep the vote up
unvote
Hmm, just wondering, when slalni initially claimed Doublevoter for every single day, what were your thoughts on that? (Considering you're only a one day double voter).
Ace Timing
I only wanted to know if he had a one-shot like mine, because if roles are alignment dependent, which they are according to my interpretation of Sakura's answer to my question, then slaini is town.
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

I only wanted to know if he had a one-shot like mine, because if roles are alignment dependent, which they are according to my interpretation of Sakura's answer to my question, then slaini is town.
This was kinda my thought process too, when he claimed doublevoter that wasn't just for D1, I was under the assumption that if a doublevoter appeared that was just for one day, he would probably be scum.
Setsuen

Ace Timing wrote:

I only wanted to know if he had a one-shot like mine, because if roles are alignment dependent, which they are according to my interpretation of Sakura's answer to my question, then slaini is town.
Well Sakura did state that alignment are not choosen before role. So either the roles are chosen at the same time with alignment or roles are chosen before alignment. I would go with the first one for obvious reason.
Topic Starter
Sakura
To clarify confusion, setups are created before ppl sign up, so both roles and their respective alignment were created beforehand.
This means that it's possible for neutral-alignment roles to be either, Scum only roles can exist, and Town only roles can exist.

i.e. a Scum Cop wouldn't make sense, but a Town cop is possible. Sorry if my words from before were confusing.
Amianki
I'd throw all double voters being town right out the window. That's exactly what happened in Nightingale and there's no way this wasn't accounted for in some way.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.04

- Magic Bomb - (2) - sLaiNi, Drezi

Not Voting (9) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Zexion, -[Jess]-, Ace Timing

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Will be busy for a few hours.
Amianki
damn it
MBomb

Amianki wrote:

I'd throw all double voters being town right out the window. That's exactly what happened in Nightingale and there's no way this wasn't accounted for in some way.
Ik this is based on what Ace Timing said, not me, but just to clarify, I didn't think this, I just thought the other way around, if there was a double voter that wasn't one day only they would probably be scum
Ace Timing
So I guess my town read on slaini is for the most part thrown out the window. Sorry @slaini you're back to null town.
Amianki
Magic Bomb, that would be way too easy. I'd be very shocked if there was a multi-voter in this setup.
MBomb

Amianki wrote:

Magic Bomb, that would be way too easy. I'd be very shocked if there was a multi-voter in this setup.
There isn't one, we've already confirmed that because everyone voted yesterday (Unless they have the ability to hide their DV, which I doubt considering slalni and (I assume) Ace Timing's trigger instantly.
Amianki
Er, I meant multi-day doublevoter. Sorry.
pieguyn
interesting result I should probably claim: I apparently heard sounds of heavy machinery last night. this is explicitly not the same as hearing sounds from above/below me.

I haven't read D2 yet.
pieguyn
welp.

Amianki wrote:

It's most likely a one-shot scum ability that masks all other sounds for the night. Not worth dwelling on much.
this is what I'd assume too. either way, I don't think there's any point in discussing it.

I probably won't be around the rest of tonight; when I have more time I'm probably going to go back and check some stuff.
-[Jess]-
I hear the heavy machinery sound too.and look like everyone should hear it
Raging Bull
Prod dodge
Setsuen

Raging Bull wrote:

Prod dodge
Everyone is literally role claiming and saying "lets not discuss about the heavy machineries"anyway. It's not like we're doing any real discussion.
Ace Timing
Literally only one person roleclaimed, and the fact that the sound is directionless means we basically can't figure anything out about it too. So what's your point?
Setsuen

Ace Timing wrote:

Literally only one person roleclaimed, and the fact that the sound is directionless means we basically can't figure anything out about it too. So what's your point?
I roleclaimed,slani did, you did,MB did.
People are still talking about the noise instead of hunting for scum.

My point is, you're discussing nothing helpful for town seeing that Sakura have already explained how alignment and roles are chosen and the fact that because we don't know anything about what happened to the noises, we should be hunting scum instead of holding discussion that WON'T find scum.
Amianki
I'm glad to see you leading by example as always, Setsuen.
sLaiNi
So @Magicbomb,

Noone answered your target thingy if you're ready I would like to hear what your plan was.

Actually I would be happier to hear Amianki's and Hanei's thoughts on what you wanted to find out first.
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.04

- Magic Bomb - (2) - sLaiNi, Drezi

Not Voting (9) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Zexion, -[Jess]-, Ace Timing

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Amianki
I actually have no idea what he's talking about.
-[Jess]-

sLaiNi wrote:

So @Magicbomb,

Noone answered your target thingy if you're ready I would like to hear what your plan was.

Actually I would be happier to hear Amianki's and Hanei's thoughts on what you wanted to find out first.
Wut?
Setsuen

Amianki wrote:

I'm glad to see you leading by example as always, Setsuen.
plz This game is as bad as that one where Sephibro won due to inactivity. I am just doing what I did there:NOTHING BUT TROLL JUST LIKE NAVIZEL. 10/10 GG

and tbh if I trusted my gut more than logic I would be voting either RB/Drezi just bc my gut tells me that some people are taking advantage of the fact that I tend to NOT scum read people who don't suspect me and kind of sheep my reads. Which was the reason why I lost the Madoka game in the first place.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

So @Magicbomb,

Noone answered your target thingy if you're ready I would like to hear what your plan was.

Actually I would be happier to hear Amianki's and Hanei's thoughts on what you wanted to find out first.
I would still prefer to hear if anyone actually did target them. Haneii probably noticed why I'm asking this if anyone did, they seem to be paying the most attention this game.
MBomb

Amianki wrote:

I actually have no idea what he's talking about.
This surprises me. You'll understand why when I say, but idk if this is a lack of attention or something else. Most likely just a lack of attention, but still, I would've assumed it's something you would pay attention to (Unless, you didn't see a reason to, which is possible, but highly unlikely.)
Ace Timing
so it IS moon logic
MBomb

Ace Timing wrote:

so it IS moon logic
I'm sorry but could I get an explanation of what moon logic actually is? I google it but can't find anything...
sLaiNi

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

so it IS moon logic
I'm sorry but could I get an explanation of what moon logic actually is? I google it but can't find anything...
inb4 distancing from scumteam
Haneii

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii probably noticed why I'm asking this if anyone did, they seem to be paying the most attention this game.
...I have no idea what you're talking about.

btw, I should sheep your wagon for not putting me in 8th. How could you? :U


I heard sounds of heavy machinery last night.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii probably noticed why I'm asking this if anyone did, they seem to be paying the most attention this game.
...I have no idea what you're talking about.

btw, I should sheep your wagon for not putting me in 8th. How could you? :U
...But you did notice, what you just said basically said you noticed, though tbh I understand it may not've seemed significant, in my opinion it was. I mean, someone asked earlier on if there were roles which could change the places of people in the treehouse, and then one changes the places and no one comments on it, it seems really weird to me.
Haneii
Drezi already commented on it though.
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

...But you did notice, what you just said basically said you noticed, though tbh I understand it may not've seemed significant, in my opinion it was. I mean, someone asked earlier on if there were roles which could change the places of people in the treehouse, and then one changes the places and no one comments on it, it seems really weird to me.
I'm pretty sure most people were more concerned with someone saying BusDriver should be lynched bc you some crazy reason post.
Setsuen
bc of* some crazy reason.
sLaiNi
OMG I didn't even notice that they changed their places.

So here the starting positions:

Sakura wrote:

Current Housing:
[pieguy1372]
[Setsuen]
[- Magic Bomb -]
[Amianki]
[rEdo]
[Static Noise Bird]
[Haneii]
[Ace Timing]
[sLaiNi]
[Zexion]
[fartownik]
[Frostings]
[Drezi]
sLaiNi
After thinking about it, the whole "switching places"-thing just brings too much WIFOM, I don't know if we should think on these right now.
Amianki
Ah, now I get it.

Yeah, I had nothing to do with that.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

After thinking about it, the whole "switching places"-thing just brings too much WIFOM, I don't know if we should think on these right now.
No, it was because of me, I'm stating that, it's a side effect because I used my role.
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Drezi already commented on it though.
Where did Drezi comment on it? I just looked through again and they never mentioned it.
Haneii
Pg 57

Drezi wrote:

I didn't target Amianki/Haneii Mr. Busdriver, who might or might not have actually used up his ability, which could very well be unlimited in fact aswell, to confuse the shit out of town even more later
I assume he is referring to your action last night and how it could be unlimited or a one-shot. I could be wrong?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

Pg 57

Drezi wrote:

I didn't target Amianki/Haneii Mr. Busdriver, who might or might not have actually used up his ability, which could very well be unlimited in fact aswell, to confuse the shit out of town even more later
I assume he is referring to your action last night and how it could be unlimited or a one-shot. I could be wrong?
Yeah but he never mentioned (And seemingly, if he himself realised, he didn't explain it well enough for anyone else to understand) how the houses had changed, to me it doesn't seem like he noticed that at all.
Zexion
I'm starting to believe the machinery was to actually hide all the movements on the tree since nobody claimed hearing another thing. I just had that idea so that's the last I'm going to speculate.

Drezi wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Ugh.. they hit the cop. That's pretty bad.
And this is like a classic scumtell, lol.
I'm pretty sure that for you anything I'll say will be a "scumtell". Seriously, your reasons to suspect me at the end of D1 were bad.

Amianki wrote:

Magic Bomb, that would be way too easy. I'd be very shocked if there was a multi-voter in this setup.
I was thinking of even or odd day double-voter.

Setsuen wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

Literally only one person roleclaimed, and the fact that the sound is directionless means we basically can't figure anything out about it too. So what's your point?
I roleclaimed,slani did, you did,MB did.
People are still talking about the noise instead of hunting for scum.

My point is, you're discussing nothing helpful for town seeing that Sakura have already explained how alignment and roles are chosen and the fact that because we don't know anything about what happened to the noises, we should be hunting scum instead of holding discussion that WON'T find scum.
Your roleclaim only bought WIFOM, aside from Slaini's and Ace which would be obvious after a while, the only person who trully claimed was MB.

We basically got no information about the night thanks to the heavy machinery. So we're still like D1 again.

-----------

Who was the one who switched houses again? I assumed there was some way.

Is the case on MB still the previous stuff or are there some new points?
Haneii

Zexion wrote:

So we're still like D1 again.
Are you saying, you don't care to look at yesterday's lynch and last night's kill?


@Magicbomb: Did your role description tell you that you'd be masking noise upon using your ability?
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.05

- Magic Bomb - (2) - sLaiNi, Drezi

Not Voting (9) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Zexion, -[Jess]-, Ace Timing

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
Raging Bull
Actually, would it also say it will make noise for everyone? it does not make sense for drezi to hear anything. Also why did you target haneii and CB?
MBomb

Haneii wrote:

@Magicbomb: Did your role description tell you that you'd be masking noise upon using your ability?
Nope.

Raging Bull wrote:

Actually, would it also say it will make noise for everyone? it does not make sense for drezi to hear anything. Also why did you target haneii and CB?
I targetted Haneii because they are my strongest town read, and I thought scum would target them. I targetted Amianki because after the Frostings flip, I'm not feeling as confident about my other reads, and so I decided to go with having faith in the town, and Amianki was 2nd most voted (Before slalni and Navizel moved their votes for a Frostings lynch), and people had voiced their suspicions on him who hadn't been voting for him, including Frostings.
MBomb
I was debating in my head whether to change Amianki or Zexion, or just trust my initial thoughts and go with Drezi, but my final decision was Amianki. Didn't make a difference (Or wouldn't have done if it wasn't Navizel that died, which seems bad to me because now Amianki only has one neighbour which is better for him if he is scum).
Raging Bull
Did your role state anything about noises? While i can see why you wanted to protect haneii, it seems that you may also unintentionally blocked our sounds
MBomb

Raging Bull wrote:

Did your role state anything about noises? While i can see why you wanted to protect haneii, it seems that you may also unintentionally blocked our sounds

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Haneii wrote:

@Magicbomb: Did your role description tell you that you'd be masking noise upon using your ability?
Nope.
pieguyn
prod dodge. i should *actually* be around tonight this time
sLaiNi
[quote="-Magic Bomb-]I targetted Haneii because they are my strongest town read, and I thought scum would target them.[/quote]

And why exactly did you think that?

For myself, I don't see an obvious reason why Haneii should be targeted over anyone else.
MBomb

sLaiNi wrote:

[
As far as I know, Haneii is being townread more than anyone else, though I suppose to scum may've thought they were too obvious of a target.
-[Jess]-
prob dodge,I can't think now
-[Jess]-
And my summer holidays homework are waiting for me to do it
MBomb

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

[
As far as I know, Haneii is being townread more than anyone else, though I suppose to scum may've thought they were too obvious of a target.
Only just realised how badly I messed up quotes here but yeah you get what I'm replying to because it was the last post.
MBomb

Zexion wrote:

Who was the one who switched houses again? I assumed there was some way.
Only just noticed this whilst rereading through and it was me, as a side effect of my ability.
Setsuen

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Who was the one who switched houses again? I assumed there was some way.
Only just noticed this whilst rereading through and it was me, as a side effect of my ability.
You just ruined 24hours of no one posting anything. Now how am I suppose to lose while complaining about the fact that scum are winning like they did in Perpetual MyLo?
-[Jess]-
:roll:
vote: MB
Topic Starter
Sakura
Vote Count 2.06

- Magic Bomb - (3) - sLaiNi, Drezi, -[Jess]- [L-3]

Not Voting (8) - pieguy1372, Setsuen, - Magic Bomb -, Amianki, Raging Bull, Haneii, Zexion, Ace Timing

With 11 Alive it takes 6 to lynch
sLaiNi

Setsuen wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Only just noticed this whilst rereading through and it was me, as a side effect of my ability.
You just ruined 24hours of no one posting anything. Now how am I suppose to lose while complaining about the fact that scum are winning like they did in Perpetual MyLo?
And why exactly don't you keep up your playstyle? Posting this won't bring us any further. Also, you were so actively pushing everyone around D1, why stop doing that now?
Setsuen

sLaiNi wrote:

And why exactly don't you keep up your playstyle? Posting this won't bring us any further. Also, you were so actively pushing everyone around D1, why stop doing that now?
Tell that to the me who did the same thing in Perpetual MyLo D2.

Not my fault NONE OF YOU WANTED TO LYNCH ZEXION and you're still voting MB when she is probably more town than Zexion at this point.
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