Haneii wrote:

Setsuen, why did you claim miller?

I'm pretty sure I already said in a post that I am sticking with my claim as miller. There is literally no need to discuss this unless you think I am a miller who changes roles after being targetted by an action and tbh the ONLY real argument you tried to build on were ALL ABOUT MY CLAIM. Which is darn suspicious bc you're still TRYING to see if I said "Or I might be Town PR" in order to confuse scum when I am really miller or I am actually an important town PR who hinted that I am not a miller by saying "Or I might be town PR".

You're avoiding the question, setsuen (of course you are, you've never planned an answer for it).

Answer my question, setsuen:

WHY DID YOU CLAIM MILLER?

Haneii wrote:

You're avoiding the question, setsuen (of course you are, you've never planned an answer for it).

Answer my question, setsuen:

WHY DID YOU CLAIM MILLER?

Answering that question would mean that scum knows my exact role which may or may not be miller. Why are you SO INTENT ON KNOWING MY ROLE SCUM?

And just incase you don't understand the question: what I want is your reason for telling everyone you're miller/role claiming in the first place.

Answer the question, setsuen.

Haneii wrote:

Answer the question, setsuen.

if I answer it will you self vote yourself and be the D1 lynch?

Even if you claim miller, it already causes wifom. Now you add more wifom saying not yoir real role. But as someone said (forgot who), i feel like setsuen is town. Also still few more hourstill work over

Answer the question, setsuen. Stop stalling.

Haneii wrote:

Answer the question, setsuen. Stop stalling.

If you won't promise to be the lynch I won't give you an answer. Scum.


If Navizel and CB have a good memory that would know I pulled off the same thing before as town.

Answer the simple question, setsuen.

Why did you role claim today?

Haneii wrote:

Answer the simple question, setsuen.

Why did you role claim today?

bc it was beneficial for my role. Still not answering whether the role is miller or not scum.

How does telling town you're a miller help your miller role?

Well it's pretty obvious you're lying about your role now.

Hopefully the rest of town sees how suspicious you are.




Goodnight, everyone.

Haneii wrote:

How does telling town you're a miller help your miller role?

Well it's pretty obvious you're lying about your role now.

Hopefully the rest of town sees how suspicious you are.

Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted. 10/10

More like you're lie to town is horrible working against you.

That said Haneii has come up with points to use against me that has LITERALLY little to ZERO proof that I am scum OR lying about my role. The huge attempt to try to ML me D1 just tells us a lot why she's scum.

Raging Bull wrote:

Even if you claim miller, it already causes wifom. Now you add more wifom saying not yoir real role. But as someone said (forgot who), i feel like setsuen is town. Also still few more hourstill work over

Miller might be my real role for all you know. However since Haneii is NOT willing to try and be lynched to know my reason for claiming even though she is SO SURE I don't have ANY real reason to claim miller I won't reveal it. CB and Nav probably know whether miller is real or not if they can remember WAYYYYY back.

Setsuen wrote:

Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted.

Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.

Haneii wrote:

Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.

Sorry but anyone looking at Lupus know I pulled off the same thing only with VT.

and you STILL don't know whether I am miller or not. So it's amazing how you're accusing me based off that.

Also
>Haneii thinking she can pull off a D1 ML on me when he doesn't even know whether I am miller or not and all his accusation are based off me claiming.

and there was another straight foward reason why I claimed miller that I didn't even consider adding cop into the equation
bc IF anyone remembered I did whine about my role at the start.

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

pieguy1372 wrote:

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

I have never seen scum Navizel troll as scum in my past games.

Going to sleep, and gotta run errands tomorrow morning, don't expect a vote count for about 10 hours unless i get time to post one before running errands.

Haneii wrote:

Setsuen wrote:

Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted.

Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.

OMG, it's not "too late dear" it should've been obvious without having to ask 10 times, we are not lynching Setsuen so MOVE ON, and post something about someone else in the game aswell please?!

Catching up, but quick thing before I do.

Setsuen wrote:

pieguy1372 wrote:

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

I have never seen scum Navizel troll as scum in my past games.

Whilst it can be used as a good baseline, judging someone based on meta and nothing else is not a good idea.

Frostings wrote:

Most of the reads come from amount of content pretty much. There isn't much to go off of, since no one bothers putting any pressure via votes

Frostings has a point here, we're not really using our votes to pressure people enough. Right now, the maximum amount of votes on someone is 2, and even earlier, I think the maximum amount of votes we had on someone was 4, and we didn't really add any pressure onto that.

Haneii wrote:

Oddly enough, when I asked setsuen for his read on rEdo (who setsuen was voting for at the time) he told me:

Setsuen wrote:

[quote="Haneii"@Setsuen: What do you think of rEdo?[/quote

rEdo is null. rEdo's post can be scum trying to look like they're doing something by talking about me or town who generally just state the obvious things about me.

For example:
[quote="rEdo"Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.

Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".[/quote

is quite neutral bc either scum or town could have asked it to either benefit them if they're scum bc WIFOM or to clear up uncertainty if they are town depending on the answer Sakura gave.

Why was rEdo treated differently? Why was setsuen still keeping his vote on rEdo? Is he trying to distance himself from rEdo?

I wanted to get a chance to talk to rEdo, but he never responded to my question and now he’s replaced out of the game.

Honestly, my first thought here when you originally said this was you trying to refer to Setsuen saying he hates lurkers, and then you asked about the person who even said himself that he was a lurker, Setsuen said that he was neutral, which I found weird when I was thinking about it but decided not to mention it because I assumed there was a reason you were asking rEdo for his opinion on that, and I didn't want to get in the way.

Haneii wrote:

Well, I have to go to bed now. I'll try and post once every 24hs, either before or after work. Try not going over 20+ pages while I'm gone (jk XD)

I hope you meant in 24hrs, not every, seeing as the deadline is tomorrow.

I find how much Haneii had to pressure Setsuen to get an answer to his question suspicious, but at the same time I can see why Setsuen would want to hide that as town (But of course there are also obvious reasons to hide it as scum).
However, the one stupid thing about Setsuen's claim. If we have a role cop and he scans you tonight, and you end up not being Miller, but some PR you were trying to hide from scum, you will almost inevitably get lynched tomorrow, as it's very easy to take your claim as "Oh I'll be guilty, don't scan me please", in the hope that there is no role cop, and unless you have very solid proof on your PR D2, this would seem a lot more likely, at least in my opinion, leading to the obvious conclusion that you would be scum, seeing as you'd basically admitted that you'd show as guilty to a cop.

Ok, after reading those posts, I'm like 99% sure that Haneii is town. The way they were arguing with Setsuen, along with the persistence of their questioning seemed too realistic to me, I don't think it could be faked.

Pieguy, could I ask for a tiny bit more detail on your Navizel read? Past your 3 lines, when you were listing your reads of everything, you haven't really gone into WHY you don't like stuff that Navizel has been saying, you just said that you don't like anything they've been saying. Maybe go into detail on a few specific posts which you think were scummy?

Oh also before anyone comments, I broke those quotes on purpose, because of the rule against embedding 3 quotes in one post.

Oh nvm I messed it up even more than I meant to but yeah you can still see what I was saying.

Rest is over

Reading the 39 page now,post later

FTR I don't really think Haneii's scum either so Setsuen should move his vote too.

We should be trying to limit the lynch pool to like 2-3 people and start making a compromise.

MB you supposedly have the whole scumteam down:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen. It's basically gg when the 3 scum are being so obvious.

so if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched (instead of asking around for a case on Navi who should be town by PoE to you) because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).

Drezi wrote:

FTR I don't really think Haneii's scum either so Setsuen should move his vote too.

We should be trying to limit the lynch pool to like 2-3 people and start making a compromise.

MB you supposedly have the whole scumteam down:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen. It's basically gg when the 3 scum are being so obvious.

so if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched (instead of asking around for a case on Navi who should be town by PoE to you) because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).

I'm honestly getting the feeling I was reading this game wrong, though I assume to people scumreading me already that'll probably just seem like an attempt to "get out of suspicion".

I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking (And for the record, my reaction to Setsuen was most likely just me getting annoyed at his constant twisting of his words, more than me actually thinking he was scum). Hopefully with 2 of the lurkers having been replaced and the others having started talking more, I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.

However my gut is still giving me a bad feeling about Frostings, and you're still somewhere between null-scum to scum for me. Setsuen is back to null again.

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.

Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.

CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562

I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601

What does this mean? p/4425142

lol pieguy p/4425942

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478


zzz still reading.

uaaa. I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of your claim early on Setsuen, which makes me think Haneii is town. p/4427658

Like who Navizel? p/4427773

oohhh so thats why CB wanted something like that to happen. I'm stupid. p/4427919

Ace's reaction seems town to me. I tend to joke a lot too, but I suppose I was never scum read for it. I don't know about his other games though. p/4428770.

Gosh, no need for setup speculation. I like Zexions post about discussing setup speculation is fake contribution. p/4429956

Actually yeah, im not sure why ace would vote for someone who is not scum, on top of that saying obv town. It rubs me as strange as it sounds like he knows CB is town. p/4431166 Next few posts confused the crap out of me though.
@Ace timing, why did you vote CB for posting one scummy thing, but also said he isn't obv scum?

@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone. posting.php?mode=quote&f=84&p=4431279

Wtf, if anything Haneii would be scum then since Setsuen kept on trying to go for Haneii, but never actually voted for her. p/4433172

zzz rubs me wrong so far with him trying to sound very town. p/443322444

Good post, but dislike lack of vote on one of his null scum reads p/4433269


Anyways reads at this point are

null scum
Frosting
MB

null
everyone


null town
Navizel
Ace
Setsuen
Slani


fuck replacing. never again. At least its D1 though. Still reading.

Raging Bull wrote:

lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.

Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.

CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562

I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601

What does this mean? p/4425142

lol pieguy p/4425942

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478


zzz still reading.

Good point that he actually is going through all posts. For scum it wouldn't be beneficial as they don't need to know what everybody posted, cause they don't need to analyze people as indepth as town needs.

Raging Bull wrote:

What does this mean? p/4425142

At the end of GIM someone stated that he would love to see Jess and Setsuen in a game together. Ace just made a Joke about that, as his most probable replacement would've been Jess.

Some people went nuts at his comment there, but I remembered the post in GIM right away, so I don't think there is anything else to this.

lol scum goes through comments aswell because that's expected of someone who replaced in, it doesn't make him town by itself.

and people "didn't go nuts" over him making the goddamn joke comment itself, I remembered that from last game aswell, how hard is it to understand why I voted him really......

Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.

Amianki wrote:

I guess the joke would've worked better if I actually got the role right.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.

Vote: Amianki

Drezi wrote:

lol scum goes through comments aswell because that's expected of someone who replaced in, it doesn't make him town by itself.

and people "didn't go nuts" over him making the goddamn joke comment itself, I remembered that from last game aswell, how hard is it to understand why I voted him really......

Went back to the page where he posted it and read the following few pages, actually you're right and you were the only one to really react to it.

Sorry my wrong statement there. Still, there's nothing more to his joke there.

sLaiNi wrote:

Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.

Amianki wrote:

I guess the joke would've worked better if I actually got the role right.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.

Vote: Amianki

lol you forgot bold

-[Jess]- wrote:

sLaiNi wrote:

Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.

Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.

Vote: Amianki

lol you forgot bold

Thank you, I wouldn't have noticed it


Vote: Amianki

Ugh. Internet went down. Sorry.

What i meant by that is i dont feel like posting from phone. vote frostings

Probably post intermittently again tomorrow

Unless my internet works again in the nexthour.

pieguy1372 wrote:

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

pieguy is GIF's alt FYI guys. GIF said the same thing to me in that stupid mafia scum forum where I 1v1 another stupid VT as VT.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking (And for the record, my reaction to Setsuen was most likely just me getting annoyed at his constant twisting of his words, more than me actually thinking he was scum). Hopefully with 2 of the lurkers having been replaced and the others having started talking more, I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.

WIFOM =/= Twist. It just means my words can have more than one meaning.

@RB:
CB seems neutral in his post other than his huge lurkfest which CB literallly never does if you look at his meta. although it does seem weird why he seem to avoid a lot of interaction with me.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

This is exactly what I did as scum in a UPick game. You could have just said THIS LONG AGO if you actually wanted to say why Frosting was suspicious in the first place.

guys deadline is closing in, and we need a lynch.

Frostings and MB seem to be the most popular candidates so far, and pieguy seems to be really convinced that Navi is scum so if he elaborates on his reasons in more detail we could consider that too, but otherwise stickting to your single votes here and there isn't gonna help, we need to compromise on someone.

I'm lurking because 90% of the game is just 1v1 arguments. It's pretty common knowledge how I feel about those.

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Might be a language problem on my site, but did you just say "I'm lurking, but that's okay because it's just me?"

You could go on and atleast tell us who you think is suspicious or who you think is most probably town.

Setsuen is town and people really need to stop being baited into 1v1s with him. It literally kills the game.

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.

Your vote on Frostings is from the early stages of the game and without a comment, anything there? Thoughts on Magic Bomb?

My gut is ringing town based on the most recent page of his ISO.

Amianki wrote:

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.

Can you post it, please?

I've read the thread multiple times and can't really find why some find frosting scum.

(offtopic: Does the search feature on this forum display results in chronological order for anyone. I've been trying to use it and it displays results randomly, which makes it pretty useless. Is there a setting to change to fix it?)

With the votes spread out like this right before the deadline, we're more likely to end with a no lynch and I don't want that. I also don't want my "lynch-all-liars" mindset to hinder town (although, the way I see it, setsuen is the most suspicious player and most likely to flip scum based on the plays of this day up until this point. If he flips town, we prevented scum using him for a myslynch later game. Compared to other players, setsuen is the best lynch).

I've already expressed my feelings about frostings and MB:

Haneii wrote:

Okay, all caught up.
I don’t understand the current wagons. One (frostings) isn’t so sure how to start scum hunting and the other (MB) is still new and trying different ways at going about it.
Poor scum hunting (based on your subjective opinions) < Scummy behaviour

My other choice for lynch after setsuen would be RB.

Raging Bull wrote:

lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.



Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.

I'm bias, but that can't be the only reasons why you can't take it seriously...


CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562

I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601

What does this mean? p/4425142

Something others have already pointed out. Please explain why it stands out to you and how it affects your read on Ace.

lol pieguy p/4425942

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

Why do you think so? What implications does it have on your read of Navi?


zzz still reading.

Lots of commentary/repeating what others have said and doesn't explain what any of it means to him. Are you just posting to show that you're reading the thread?

Raging Bull wrote:

uaaa. I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of your claim early on Setsuen, which makes me think Haneii is town. p/4427658

Like who Navizel? p/4427773

oohhh so thats why CB wanted something like that to happen. I'm stupid. p/4427919

Ace's reaction seems town to me. I tend to joke a lot too, but I suppose I was never scum read for it. I don't know about his other games though. p/4428770.

Gosh, no need for setup speculation. I like Zexions post about discussing setup speculation is fake contribution. p/4429956

Actually yeah, im not sure why ace would vote for someone who is not scum, on top of that saying obv town. It rubs me as strange as it sounds like he knows CB is town. p/4431166 Next few posts confused the crap out of me though.
@Ace timing, why did you vote CB for posting one scummy thing, but also said he isn't obv scum?

@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone. posting.php?mode=quote&f=84&p=4431279
Frosting isn't the only one that hasn't tried to convince others to vote with him. Why, of all reasons, would you use this against him? Couldn't think of anything else?

Wtf, if anything Haneii would be scum then since Setsuen kept on trying to go for Haneii, but never actually voted for her. p/4433172
You can go after other people without taking your vote off someone else. I'm going after you now, but I have no intention of taking my vote off setsuen unless you start playing more scummy in comparison.

zzz rubs me wrong so far with him trying to sound very town. p/443322444
This link doesn't work for me, can you re-link it, please

Good post, but dislike lack of vote on one of his null scum reads p/4433269



Anyways reads at this point are

null scum
Frosting
MB

null
everyone So I should just ignore your null scum/null town list?


null town
Navizel
Ace
Setsuen
Slani


fuck replacing. never again. At least its D1 though. Still reading.

Haneii other than you noone even considers Setsuen to be a candidate for today's lynch, so you saying you're not gonna take your vote off him with the deadline being so close isn't really.. helping here -_-

I mean we all know you think he's scum, but you parking your vote there allday long won't accomplish much of anything at this point.

I'm kindof bothered by Zexion not even voting anyone.

Drezi wrote:

I'm kindof bothered by Zexion not even voting anyone.

I'm kindof (Well actually, really) bothered about how spread out the votes are a day before the deadline.
Also, (not grasping at straws here to scumpaint you or anything, just genuinely wondering), why did you say Zexion, and not include Ace Timing, who also isn't voting anyone?

Drezi wrote:

you parking your vote there allday long won't accomplish much of anything at this point.

I completely agree. I can't lynch him on my own, so I'd rather cooperate/work with town. However id rather not have an obvious myslynch only because it was the most popular opinion. Why frostings and MB? Just because they already have a wagon started?

Since when does town lynch based on how easy it would be to start and push a wagon? What happen to voting for people we actually find scummy?

Dream, who would you like me to vote for an why?

Because Ace is the poor fella who got bullied for daring to make a vote, and he said he won't ever vote anyone again unless he's 100% sure someone is scum......

Apparently your name autocorrects to dream >w<

Haneii wrote:

Why frostings and MB? Just because they already have a wagon started?

Since when does town lynch based on how easy it would be to start and push a wagon? What happen to voting for people we actually find scummy?

They have the most votes, because they're the ones most people found scummy?

Hello there, quick post because I'm leaving in like 5 minutes.

I don't really think neither Haneii or Setsuen is scum. This seems like a town v/s town while scum is just watching and laughing. Of course Setsuen's claim is bringing a lot of WIFOM but I don't think we should lynch him based only on that, we'll need to see what happens in the following days.

Drezi, I am not voting because so far both strong candidates (MB & Frostings) are not giving strong scumvibes, and no one has answered yet why is Frostings scummy or why was he with the most votes for the majority of the day. If somemone could please answer that I could vote on phone some hours later. (Because I'll not make it home to the DL)

Not really, and their reasons suck (imo):


Let's look at Frosting's wagon for instance: ami is gut, MB doesn't seem too sure, and RBs reason is because frosting isn't being proactive enough to start a bandwagon on his scum choice.

Zexion wrote:

no one has answered yet why is Frostings scummy or why was he with the most votes for the majority of the day. If somemone could please answer that I could vote on phone some hours later. (Because I'll not make it home to the DL)

Yeah I did:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

1.I stated ages ago scum won't be able to mislynch me D1
2.Drezi still has to tell Haneii this.

Although after carefully interpreting Frosting intial reason for voting MB it does seem scummy coming from him anyway seeing that I am one of the few ppl who can pull off things such as GIF is scum bc he knows my role based off what I said at the start of game etc and still be town.

Zexion wrote:

I don't really think neither Haneii or Setsuen is scum. This seems like a town v/s town while scum is just watching and laughing. Of course Setsuen's claim is bringing a lot of WIFOM but I don't think we should lynch him based only on that, we'll need to see what happens in the following days.

It's amazing how up till now with all my hint about Lupus and all, no one can get a good guess or whether I'm miller or not.
Although I have a hunch that we should be looking a little more at Jess who just replaced fartownik just based on the fact that he has posted very less since replacing in and if he is scum, this increases the chance of ML bc no one is atm even considering to vote him.

@Haneii: I don't really know what to think of Frostings myself, but I have to respect the opinion of others if I'm gonna suggest candidates for a compromise.

I'd be totally fine with a Jess PL normally, but I get the feeling that in this setup we'll be able to figure out if she's scum or not.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Uhhhh
Maybe you haven't looked at the vote count.
There was literally no wagon anywhere. Yeah, for sure I'll try to pressure someone by voting them when literally the highest votes against were me and you (who I was already voting for)
But nah, I'll just pressure my other scumread (Amianki) and put one vote on him, that'll pressure him for sure, when almost everyone already has one vote a piece

hi

catching up now. finally fixed the net

Frostings wrote:

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.

Uhhhh
Maybe you haven't looked at the vote count.
There was literally no wagon anywhere. Yeah, for sure I'll try to pressure someone by voting them when literally the highest votes against were me and you (who I was already voting for)
But nah, I'll just pressure my other scumread (Amianki) and put one vote on him, that'll pressure him for sure, when almost everyone already has one vote a piece

You act as if literally the only way to pressure people is by voting. There are other ways of pressuring too, you know. But they include actually posting and contributing so I guess I'm asking too much.

Raging Bull wrote:

@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone.

I already did all these things

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

You act as if literally the only way to pressure people is by voting. There are other ways of pressuring too, you know. But they include actually posting and contributing so I guess I'm asking too much.

Sorry I'm not being innovative enough, I'll make sure to find many different ways to pressure others when this whole game so far have mainly been long walls and 1v1s

Man, I should really stop posting as soon as I wake up and just before I go to bed. All my posts are so sarcastic

Anyways, with all that being said, I don't think MB is a good Day1 lynch for me anymore. At least it looks like he's trying to do something
Unvote

Amianki wrote:

I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.

Are you even gonna bother, or nah?

Drezi wrote:

I'd be totally fine with a Jess PL normally, but I get the feeling that in this setup we'll be able to figure out if she's scum or not.

What were your reads on fartownik though? It seems here that you wanted to get an easy lynch on Jess because she's useless and didn't mind whatever farto was.

by the way Unvote

reads, vote or something?

what is the point of this even

Drezi wrote:

Ace you forgot to answer this

Drezi wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

ayy confirm lmao

also can you tell me what was the reason for confirming with "ayy lmao"?

pie wrote:

Navizel: there is very little Navizel has done this game that I've actually liked. there's a lot of surface observations, but it feels more like he's just commenting on stuff out of convenience and there's no internal consistency anywhere. I don't *actually* know where his current reads on the game stand.

so far
Null-town/town:
Setsuen - This is Setsuen we're talking about. Even though I still don't like him I think he's town.
pieguy1372
Haneii

Null:
- Magic Bomb - - Bus Driver isn't really something that is an automatic town. Imo it will screw up town more than it will help. I think it is 1-shot if I'm not mistaken.

MB wrote:

Only one-shot though.

Frostings -
fartownik/Jess - There doesn't seem to be anything in their ISOs.
sLaiNi

sLaiNi wrote:

Drezi wrote:

I did not do that, maybe you just never realized.

Imo you always were one of the most active towns and now your ISO is full of one liners, and half of it being you just trying to take part in the setsuen/MB conversation and that part even felt like just adding something to appear active. That's my feel to this.

are one-lines really scum indicative? can someone sell me on this

Null-scum/scum:
Drezi - I kinda get the Jess PL now but I'm still kinda iffy on removing Drezi on null-scum/scum.
Amianki -

Amianki wrote:

FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.

Totally not suspicious.

not finished reading yet

I guess Ace on Null-town and Zexion on null for now

Also @sLaiNi, see Zexion on GIM, farto on GIM, and Sakura on Newbie 13

Frostings wrote:

As far as arguments go... I don't really remember the details, there weren't really that many that stood out (for me at least, except for MB's 100% confidence I'm scum, but I'm biased)

lol

pieguy1372 wrote:

did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?

you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.

oh pls.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Rest is over

Reading the 39 page now,post later

I'm sick of this already. Please post something other than something along these lines.

Raging Bull wrote:

I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478

I may or may not know something there. What do you mean?

RB wrote:

Like who Navizel? p/4427773

Like him.

I think there should be a pronoun thing here just like in MS.

Drezi wrote:

@Haneii: I don't really know what to think of Frostings myself, but I have to respect the opinion of others if I'm gonna suggest candidates for a compromise.

.

Okay, then let's compromise.

Who are your top 2 scum choices?

My top 2 choices are: Setsuen and RB

Can everyone else do it as well (just your top 2)? Lets see if theres a common lynch choice.

uh

Yeah, that's not a town push.

Vote: Navizel

None of mine are in common with yours unfortunately, but my top 2 are still Frostings and Drezi.

There's no way in hell he's getting me as his strongest scumread off something that's basically irrelevant to anything that's happening. It doesn't happen. Ever.

What do you mean irrelevant? Are you saying I'm scum because I'm not pushing the other wagons when I have no reason to?

sLaiNi is voting you aswell CB, no mention of him?

He's not the one voting me entirely because I made a comment about my own meta that doesn't even apply to this game.

@Haneii, im sure I mentioned I dont like it usually when people rereads post and posts their thoughts when they replace. We just bring up topics that were talked about already.... As for frosting, his post seems to be trying to be helpful by telling us we need to pressure people, yet does nothing to try and convince people to vote his scum read without a good reason besides meta.


@frosting, you said scum spread their votes around, but your two scum reads were both voting for you. So how is that spread around? If you think mb is no longer scum, why dont you vote next read? Also you didnt answer my question. Who do you think is scum as you mentioned scum intentionally spread their votes around.

As for my top 2, frosting and mb. I forgot what im had on mb though (after I slept)

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

my top 2 are still Frostings and Drezi.

Remind me of your case against me?

Either way it seems kind of strange that when I asked you that last time, you proceeded to backpedal at first

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

Drezi wrote:

if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched, because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).

I'm honestly getting the feeling I was reading this game wrong, though I assume to people scumreading me already that'll probably just seem like an attempt to "get out of suspicion".

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking. I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.

Despite your reads apparently still being the same, other than Setsuen moving to null...

My two top scum read would go with Amianki. I'm not sure enough about the second one to just open them for lynching.

Amianki wrote:

He's not the one voting me entirely because I made a comment about my own meta that doesn't even apply to this game.

It's just that his reason (lurkervote) seemed weak aswell.

I don't really get Navi's reason much at all though, Navi can you elaborate?

sLaiNi you too, if you got more to add, you seem pretty serious, and you only mentioned him being a lurker and not having contributed.