I thought it was clear that I meant it in an ironically way. Btw I got lynched once out of two games lawl (even though Drezi saved me the second time, thanks for your good play there again @ him)Ace Timing wrote:
>afraidsLaiNi wrote:
Thanks for that. I can understand that you are afraid of me right now, but don't worry young fellow, the scum will be found.
what person, regardless of scum or no, would be afraid of the guy who gets mislynched in nearly every game he appears in? Just sayin'.
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pie you can try reading Magic Bomb's scum game here t/350620&start=0 in the meantime.
MBomb
well I linked GIM because of the way of the way you shifted your reads there, what've seen this game was reminiscent of that.
MBomb
MBomb
most people just confirmed, and the "ayy confirm lmao" didn't really feel like it was directed at the picture above, more like "ayy I'm scum again (possibly with one or more scum member being the same?) confirm lmao". Sure I'm not gonna go crazy with this, but I was curious about his response anyway.
it's just a meme man...
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.23
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
so? people choose to say stuff and pick certain words for one reason or an other
sigh
stop sighing, why are you so concerned with me having gotten this impression if it's simply wrong? I'm not even making a big deal out of it, you asked, I answered...
Have work. Might post intermittently. Anything that happen so far would be nice.
MBomb
So? What's the difference considering that fewer players requires even better scumhunting? (Unless you count scumhunting by chance, that is)... anyway ignore this because it's not really relevant to the game.Setsuen wrote:
That game had only 4players noob.Zexion wrote:
"We Need a Fifth" :^)
Hmmm... tbh the 1vs1 tells me nothing, but you've got a point on the lurking. I'm not sure about the tunneling part tho.Setsuen wrote:
Other than totally disengaging from my 1v1, he also 1.Tried to direct my attentions to others(Oh look that is what scum CB did in Lupus), 2.Literally started lurking once he did(oh wait Nav did this before,shocking) and of course 3.he tunneled hard on me before all this(just like what scum CB and Nav did in Lupus) and 4.Once he did disengage his post towards me started being more ""neutral"(which was what Sephibro pulled off and what CB tried to do but failed in the end in Lupus)
@Pie: how's "getting pissed off" a town indicator? AFAIK the reason for wagoning him (if you call that a wagon) was indeed pretty weak but he totally overreacted at it, maybe at purpose. I am not so sure why are you town-reading him that much.
@Drezi: While I think you have contributed a lot, pie does have a point - that only pointing contradictions isn't really much to go. (IioA i think it is) I don't think you've doing this but:
This is really forced and it's kinda obvious it will get us nowhere - you can't really confirm it and isn't really scumhunting. Why is so important?Drezi wrote:
most people just confirmed, and the "ayy confirm lmao" didn't really feel like it was directed at the picture above, more like "ayy I'm scum again (possibly with one or more scum member being the same?) confirm lmao". Sure I'm not gonna go crazy with this, but I was curious about his response anyway.
Wow, this votecount is sublimeSakura wrote:
Vote Count 1.23
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
let me post reads
nullscum
mb
Amianki
between null and nulltown
drezi
zexion
navizel
nulltown
setsuen
slaini
rest is complete null
Most of the reads come from amount of content pretty much. There isn't much to go off of, since no one bothers putting any pressure via votes
mb
Amianki
between null and nulltown
drezi
zexion
navizel
nulltown
setsuen
slaini
rest is complete null
Most of the reads come from amount of content pretty much. There isn't much to go off of, since no one bothers putting any pressure via votes
- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I know it's a pain but best thing to do is read over yourself, someone else explaining would involve their personal opinions most likely.Raging Bull wrote:
Have work. Might post intermittently. Anything that happen so far would be nice.
Ugh. I hate the feeling of doing that since i feel like people revive old discussions when it was solved some pages later.
Sorry for my inactivity, everyone.
Reading @_@
I'll post my thoughts as soon as I'm caught up (hopefully soon)
Reading @_@
I'll post my thoughts as soon as I'm caught up (hopefully soon)
Raging Bull wrote:
Have work. Might post intermittently. Anything that happen so far would be nice.
- Setsuen claims Miller at the start of the day
- sLaiNi is a confirmed doublevoter
- MB badly crumbs (and eventually claims) Bus Driver
- Ace T with a PR slip, claims he's non-investigative
- Half the people afk
It'll probably get better now since all those who were busy IRL replaced outFrostings wrote:
- Half the people afk
As far as arguments go... I don't really remember the details, there weren't really that many that stood out (for me at least, except for MB's 100% confidence I'm scum, but I'm biased)
fyi Zexion this isn't forced. I have seen lots of WEIRDOs around here that though I softclaimed bc I said some certain words at the start of the game and I was like, seriously?Zexion wrote:
This is really forced and it's kinda obvious it will get us nowhere - you can't really confirm it and isn't really scumhunting. Why is so important?
You forgot to add in town goes into lets make up with each other mode and decide to post nice little one liners that barely count as scum hunting.Frostings wrote:
- Setsuen claims Miller at the start of the day
- sLaiNi is a confirmed doublevoter
- MB badly crumbs (and eventually claims) Bus Driver
- Ace T with a PR slip, claims he's non-investigative
- Half the people afk
It's amazing how people just can't see how Haneii's action is so scummy and how almost the same people(+ the few others) in the newbie game couldn't see why Navizel was most likely scum until D3.Frostings wrote:
As far as arguments go... I don't really remember the details, there weren't really that many that stood out (for me at least, except for MB's 100% confidence I'm scum, but I'm biased)
What about Haneii is so scummy exactly? Genuinely curious
What? What does that have to do with what I said?Setsuen wrote:
fyi Zexion this isn't forced. I have seen lots of WEIRDOs around here that though I softclaimed bc I said some certain words at the start of the game and I was like, seriously?Zexion wrote:
This is really forced and it's kinda obvious it will get us nowhere - you can't really confirm it and isn't really scumhunting. Why is so important?
He already answered this in one my previous questions. Not sure if that's enough for an answer tho..Frostings wrote:
What about Haneii is so scummy exactly? Genuinely curious
Setsuen wrote:
Other than totally disengaging from my 1v1, he also 1.Tried to direct my attentions to others(Oh look that is what scum CB did in Lupus), 2.Literally started lurking once he did(oh wait Nav did this before,shocking) and of course 3.he tunneled hard on me before all this(just like what scum CB and Nav did in Lupus) and 4.Once he did disengage his post towards me started being more ""neutral"(which was what Sephibro pulled off and what CB tried to do but failed in the end in Lupus)
usually when people snap and break down like that I consider it a town indicator because I don't think scum are as likely to go out of their way to fake stuff like that unless there's a reason behind it (examples: being the lead wagon and not being able to avoid it so you start ATE'ing all over the place hoping people will buy it, trying to obfuscate a point you're making against someone else). what Ace did didn't read like there was an agenda. it felt like he saw people pushing him over "not being there", "not being able to do shit in the game thread", etc. when it was entirely because of his RL and didn't understand why he was being scum read for such shit reasons.Zexion wrote:
@Pie: how's "getting pissed off" a town indicator? AFAIK the reason for wagoning him (if you call that a wagon) was indeed pretty weak but he totally overreacted at it, maybe at purpose. I am not so sure why are you town-reading him that much.
in other words, I think it came off genuine
anyway, I would prefer a Frostings lynch over a Magic Bomb lynch, but I would really like if someone could attempt to sell me on one of the leading wagons; I'm also gonna state I haven't had a chance to look through Magic Bomb's meta yet. alternatively, we could lynch actual scum (Navizel).
Okay, all caught up.
I don’t understand the current wagons. One isn’t so sure how to start scum hunting and the other is still new and trying different ways at going about it.
Poor scum hunting (based on your subjective opinions) < Scummy behaviour
I’m going to keep my vote on setsuen. Out of everyone in this game atm, he is the most scummiest.
I’ve already presented most of my case in an earlier posts:
p/4426770/
p/4427686/
Setsuen’s posts make me believe he is lying about his role. I find this extremely suspicious. It’s setsuen, so it’s possible that he’s town and has some reason for lying (nothing he does/says makes much sense to me so I wouldn’t put it past me). However, miller claim will stir up wifom and with the possibility of him lying…compared to all my null/not so scummy reads at the moment, setsuen, you are the best lynch.
As I was catching up I noticed an odd remark in one of setsuen's posts. But to understand why I found it odd I’ll need to first point out one of his previous posts.
From pg 10:
In the second quote he’s using “actually” to compare his current role to (ie: as opposed to) a town PR. This is an odd statement, because if he’s town, his miller role would make him a Town PR. I shrugged it off, because I couldn’t be sure if that’s just how setsuen genuinely feels about the “miller” role. Maybe he doesn’t count it as a “power role”.
But then, several pages later he condescendingly posts (in response to AC on page 29):
So yeah, I’m pretty sure this was a slip. I can't confirm his alignment, however, I think he’s lying about his role. Why is setsuen lying about his role?
The only other person on my suspect list is rEdo/RB and that’s mainly because of how my main scumspect reacts to him.
When I question setsuen’s role, setsuen goes on the offensive (which I expected of him – it’s what he does). He begins to attack me (which is fine by me – I am pushing for his lynch after all).
However, when (on page 19) it’s rEdo bringing setsuen’s role into question, setsuen gives him a civil response:
I wanted to get a chance to talk to rEdo, but he never responded to my question and now he’s replaced out of the game.
I don’t understand the current wagons. One isn’t so sure how to start scum hunting and the other is still new and trying different ways at going about it.
Poor scum hunting (based on your subjective opinions) < Scummy behaviour
I’m going to keep my vote on setsuen. Out of everyone in this game atm, he is the most scummiest.
I’ve already presented most of my case in an earlier posts:
p/4426770/
p/4427686/
Setsuen’s posts make me believe he is lying about his role. I find this extremely suspicious. It’s setsuen, so it’s possible that he’s town and has some reason for lying (nothing he does/says makes much sense to me so I wouldn’t put it past me). However, miller claim will stir up wifom and with the possibility of him lying…compared to all my null/not so scummy reads at the moment, setsuen, you are the best lynch.
As I was catching up I noticed an odd remark in one of setsuen's posts. But to understand why I found it odd I’ll need to first point out one of his previous posts.
From pg 10:
From pg 15 (elaborating on his response to my questioning of his role):Setsuen wrote:
You can try. It's not like I ever gotten a town PR role UNLESS I replaced in only to get N1ed or it was UPick.Amianki wrote:
Miller is an okay fakeclaim if you're ballsy. Anyone who can test it definitely should tonight.
In the first one he’s basically saying he doesn’t have a “town” PR (Is this a scum slip? He has a PR but it isn’t town?).Setsuen wrote:
Or I could actually be Town PR and Haneii is baiting me to out my real role. Makes you wonder why Haneii is trying so hard to tunnel on me when 1.It's difficult to get a mislynch off me D1 bc of possible WIFOM anyway and 2.My possible WIFOM rekt mafia(in this case invaders) when I am town.Zexion wrote:
We all should drop the Miller claim for now. It's obvious that we won't get anything out of it right now and while it does bring a good lot of WIFOM (man, and it's already setsuen so its like WIFOM^2) I don't think we can do anything about this right now. Night-specific miller sounds kinda bastard and I seriously think we should discard it.
In the second quote he’s using “actually” to compare his current role to (ie: as opposed to) a town PR. This is an odd statement, because if he’s town, his miller role would make him a Town PR. I shrugged it off, because I couldn’t be sure if that’s just how setsuen genuinely feels about the “miller” role. Maybe he doesn’t count it as a “power role”.
But then, several pages later he condescendingly posts (in response to AC on page 29):
You have no trouble calling your role a PR but you can’t get yourself to refer to it as a “town” PR. I bet the issue is you can say the truth – your role is a PR (a scum PR), but you’re struggling to refer to it as a “town” PR, because you’re subconsciously trying to minimize the number of lies you have to make.Setsuen wrote:
Miller = PR you wot.
So yeah, I’m pretty sure this was a slip. I can't confirm his alignment, however, I think he’s lying about his role. Why is setsuen lying about his role?
Nope, town should care. You have a role we don’t know and you for some reason want town (or scum), to target you.Setsuen wrote:
The only one who care about my claim are scum as of this moment. bc town absolutely have no disadvantage if they decide to hunt and lynch all the scum until there's only one left before lynching me for my claim.
The only other person on my suspect list is rEdo/RB and that’s mainly because of how my main scumspect reacts to him.
When I question setsuen’s role, setsuen goes on the offensive (which I expected of him – it’s what he does). He begins to attack me (which is fine by me – I am pushing for his lynch after all).
However, when (on page 19) it’s rEdo bringing setsuen’s role into question, setsuen gives him a civil response:
I found this alarming, because town setsuen puts pressure on anyone who approaches him in this manner. Setsuen said it himself:Setsuen wrote:
To figure it out you would first have to look at Haneii as scum. Then you realise that a few of you nicely pointed out that I am a huge WIFOM and therefore Haneii(as scum) would try to bait out my real role just in case I was WIFOMing about my Miller claim. I am still going to stand on my Miller claim. If scum wants to N1 me it's their loss.rEdo wrote:
Tell me how she would know that you're fakeclaiming miller. Or maybe you're just not a miller in the end?
Based on that, I assumed he wouldn’t take rEdo’s question lightly. I wondered if he might have rEdo on his radar now (like he did with me, since we both questioned the legitimacy of his claim). Oddly enough, when I asked setsuen for his read on rEdo (who setsuen was voting for at the time) he told me:Setsuen wrote:
stop being jealous of my automatic scum hunting ability where scum clings onto me in an attempt to lynch me only to have it reverse bandwagoned.fartownik wrote:
god here we go
Why was rEdo treated differently? Why was setsuen still keeping his vote on rEdo? Is he trying to distance himself from rEdo?Setsuen wrote:
rEdo is null. rEdo's post can be scum trying to look like they're doing something by talking about me or town who generally just state the obvious things about me.Haneii wrote:
@Setsuen: What do you think of rEdo?
For example:is quite neutral bc either scum or town could have asked it to either benefit them if they're scum bc WIFOM or to clear up uncertainty if they are town depending on the answer Sakura gave.rEdo wrote:
Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".
I wanted to get a chance to talk to rEdo, but he never responded to my question and now he’s replaced out of the game.
Tl;dr: I find setsuen the most suspicious and he should be lynched. I also find RB’s slot suspicious, but not as much as I setsuen.
If has to do with what you just said bc Drezi suspected Ace for confirming with ayy lmao. This is VERY similar to WEIRDOs who think you softclaimed roles such as cop etc by saying stuff such as "I'm checking you out"etc.Zexion wrote:
What? What does that have to do with what I said?
so while Drezi does seem suspicious for avoiding Haneii, it wasn't exactly wrong to suspect him just for that weird confirmation.
and yet again Haneii thinks I think Miller is a PR
HE TOTALLY DID NOT EVEN READ OTHER'S RESPONSE TO THAT Miller=PR you Wot post I bet. EMPHASIZE on the YOU WOT.
In case you were wondering:
It's funny how Haneii stated that "You have a role we don’t know and you for some reason want town (or scum), to target you.
" so you don't even know if town or scum is going to target me and the problem if both sides have an equal chance to target me?
You know it's amazing how you're sooo onto my neutral read relationship with rEdo and you decided to not talk about how neutral I have been in a lot of my comment with Zexion & Frosting etc. Care to explain why?
so yes. Proof that Haneii is scum guys. Twisting my Miller= PR YOU WOT says a lot don't you think?
HE TOTALLY DID NOT EVEN READ OTHER'S RESPONSE TO THAT Miller=PR you Wot post I bet. EMPHASIZE on the YOU WOT.
In case you were wondering:
Yes I was like saying you wot Miller can be considered PR? 10/10 to others. But of course Haneii choose to TWIST my words. Scum much?Ace Timing wrote:
well its not vanilla.
It's funny how Haneii stated that "You have a role we don’t know and you for some reason want town (or scum), to target you.
" so you don't even know if town or scum is going to target me and the problem if both sides have an equal chance to target me?
You know it's amazing how you're sooo onto my neutral read relationship with rEdo and you decided to not talk about how neutral I have been in a lot of my comment with Zexion & Frosting etc. Care to explain why?
so yes. Proof that Haneii is scum guys. Twisting my Miller= PR YOU WOT says a lot don't you think?
Also, can we just lynch Haneii the obvious scum already. Like seriously it's pretty obvious with his lurking and the only reason he FINALLY decided to post is bc I have been on him for way too long like what I did to scum Navizel in that newbie game.
quote the first time.Setsuen wrote:
and yet again Haneii thinks I think Miller is a PR
Also in case scum Haneii was wondering. I talked about WIFOM before rEdo asked that question which is why rEdo asked whether I was miller or not and how YOU would know that I might not be miller. I didn't even feel that rEdo was attacking my role claim considering that most of his response to me were NEUTRAL which was VERY similar to other people. Maybe rEdo was baiting for any possible reall role but if I had any I certainly wan't going to reveal it. You on the other hand just OUTRIGHT said BS about me
Also everyone knows that while I DO put pressure on people who approach me in a manner I usually DON'T superhard pressure them unless I am VERY sure they are scum(Haneii in this case). You certainly don't see me placing any big pressure on fartownik(except for lurking),rEdo,Zexion,Drezi(until he started ignoring Haneii),Navizel,pieguy(yet again lurking) and Amianki. But Haneii choose to focus on rEdo and my relationship bc I decided to give a response to rEdo about why I think Haneii is trying to bait out possibly my real role.
Lets review some fact:
I claimed Miller
based on me miller=Town PR response I don't consider Miller as PR
My obv I could be town PR(ALSO OBVIOUSLY mean that I don\t treat miller as PR like SERIOUSLY) and also acts as possible WIFOM to rekt scum.
Oh shocking I can somehow convince everyone to target me N1. I must be secretly lightning rod. Thanks.Haneii wrote:
Why do you think so?
It kinda felt like he was baiting anyone to check him tonight (in an odd setsuen kinda way)..
Also everyone knows that while I DO put pressure on people who approach me in a manner I usually DON'T superhard pressure them unless I am VERY sure they are scum(Haneii in this case). You certainly don't see me placing any big pressure on fartownik(except for lurking),rEdo,Zexion,Drezi(until he started ignoring Haneii),Navizel,pieguy(yet again lurking) and Amianki. But Haneii choose to focus on rEdo and my relationship bc I decided to give a response to rEdo about why I think Haneii is trying to bait out possibly my real role.
That was exaggeration noob scum. Still doesn't change the fact you twisted my post to make it sound bad.Haneii wrote:
quote the first time.
Lets review some fact:
I claimed Miller
based on me miller=Town PR response I don't consider Miller as PR
My obv I could be town PR(ALSO OBVIOUSLY mean that I don\t treat miller as PR like SERIOUSLY) and also acts as possible WIFOM to rekt scum.
Also, I just googled "you wot" and a "wot" is not some unknown noun derogatory noun that I thought it was. 
Sorry, setsuen. But I still don't get why you won't call yourself a PR.
I still think you're the most scummy player in the game. As scum, I'm sure you'll understand ^_^
Well, I have to go to bed now. I'll try and post once every 24hs, either before or after work. Try not going over 20+ pages while I'm gone (jk XD)
Sorry, setsuen. But I still don't get why you won't call yourself a PR.
I still think you're the most scummy player in the game. As scum, I'm sure you'll understand ^_^
Well, I have to go to bed now. I'll try and post once every 24hs, either before or after work. Try not going over 20+ pages while I'm gone (jk XD)
The best accusation that you can make is my so called relationship with rEdo which I pretty much had the same with a lot of other people who didn't accuse my role as FAKE or BAITING town into checking N1. and even then town probably know that I answered nicely BC the topic was about a scum read namely you.Haneii wrote:
Also, I just googled "you wot" and a "wot" is not some unknown noun derogatory noun that I thought it was.
Sorry, setsuen. But I still don't get why you won't call yourself a PR.
I still think you're the most scummy player in the game. As scum, I'm sure you'll understand ^_^
The irony is that in the first place you can't really accuse me based off me giving a nice little comment back to someone about my scum read SINCE I did the SAME thing in Lupus when explaining why CB and Navizel were scum to town on D1.
not lynching Haneii
Plz Haneii is obv scum.pieguy1372 wrote:
not lynching Haneii
I really need to go to bed but I can't help myself:
How do we know you aren't doing that now?
So hypothetically speaking, if you lied about your town role and someone was baiting for your real role you still wouldn't reveal it?Setsuen wrote:
Maybe rEdo was baiting for any possible reall role but if I had any I certainly wan't going to reveal it.
How do we know you aren't doing that now?
Haneii wrote:
quote the first time.Setsuen wrote:
and yet again Haneii thinks I think Miller is a PR
Why are you trying to make statements/events look bigger than what they really are (ie: exaggerate them). This is something scum would do when they feel like their case/post isn't enough. Why resort to exaggerating setsuen?Setsuen wrote:
That was exaggeration noob scum.Haneii wrote:
quote the first time.
1.Even if Miller isn't my real role why would I reveal it when I can WIFOM scum?Haneii wrote:
So hypothetically speaking, if you lied about your town role and someone was baiting for your real role you still wouldn't reveal it?
How do we know you aren't doing that now?
Why are you trying to make statements/events look bigger than what they really are (ie: exaggerate them). This is something scum would do when they feel like their case/post isn't enough. Why resort to exaggerating setsuen?
2.Literally anyone who have played with me know I EXAGGERATE as either side. Try better please. That and it's better than TWISTING SOMEONE ELSE WORDS TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I CONSIDER MILLER A PR.
hi guys
I don't have internet access right now sorry. I'm just using data. I'll be back hopefully next morning.
I don't have internet access right now sorry. I'm just using data. I'll be back hopefully next morning.
You're only bringing wifom to town. Claiming miller, scum will most likely kill you alive. So yeah, that was terrible reason...
Want to try again?
Setsuen, If you lied about your town role and someone was trying to bait out your real role, you wouldn't reveal it? Why not?
Want to try again?
Setsuen, If you lied about your town role and someone was trying to bait out your real role, you wouldn't reveal it? Why not?
EBWOP: keep you alive* (sorry auto correct)
bc Scum have no idea whether to waste a night kill on me or not? For all they know I might really be miller and if they kill me they lose out. At the same time if I am NOT miller and they don't kill me, and I am somehow an important town PR(which is not miller) then they are in trouble. Town on the other hand already have to ASSUME they will get guilty on me and therefore the only person who would care is a role cop if any.Haneii wrote:
You're only bringing wifom to town. Claiming miller, scum will most likely kill you alive. So yeah, that was terrible reason...
Want to try again?
Setsuen, If you lied about your town role and someone was trying to bait out your real role, you wouldn't reveal it? Why not?
Even if scum do keep me alive, they have something else coming if they think they can keep me alive for ML like what CB tried to do in Lupus.
remind me what setsuen's scum reads were
i think i will use that for my town list
i think i will use that for my town list
Setsuen, why did you claim miller?
95% of the time I been on scum since D1. Nyquil in Chaos,CB and Nav in Lupus,Nyquil and Sephibro in that game where town decided to ML bc inactivity,Navizel in newbie game.pieguy1372 wrote:
remind me what setsuen's scum reads were
i think i will use that for my town list
So stop trying to save Haneii when her argument against me are bad.
I'm pretty sure I already said in a post that I am sticking with my claim as miller. There is literally no need to discuss this unless you think I am a miller who changes roles after being targetted by an action and tbh the ONLY real argument you tried to build on were ALL ABOUT MY CLAIM. Which is darn suspicious bc you're still TRYING to see if I said "Or I might be Town PR" in order to confuse scum when I am really miller or I am actually an important town PR who hinted that I am not a miller by saying "Or I might be town PR".Haneii wrote:
Setsuen, why did you claim miller?
You're avoiding the question, setsuen (of course you are, you've never planned an answer for it).
Answer my question, setsuen:
WHY DID YOU CLAIM MILLER?
Answer my question, setsuen:
WHY DID YOU CLAIM MILLER?
Haneii wrote:
You're avoiding the question, setsuen (of course you are, you've never planned an answer for it).
Answer my question, setsuen:
WHY DID YOU CLAIM MILLER?
Answering that question would mean that scum knows my exact role which may or may not be miller. Why are you SO INTENT ON KNOWING MY ROLE SCUM?
And just incase you don't understand the question: what I want is your reason for telling everyone you're miller/role claiming in the first place.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.24
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Answer the question, setsuen.
if I answer it will you self vote yourself and be the D1 lynch?Haneii wrote:
Answer the question, setsuen.
Even if you claim miller, it already causes wifom. Now you add more wifom saying not yoir real role. But as someone said (forgot who), i feel like setsuen is town. Also still few more hourstill work over
Answer the question, setsuen. Stop stalling.
Haneii wrote:
Answer the question, setsuen. Stop stalling.
If you won't promise to be the lynch I won't give you an answer. Scum.
If Navizel and CB have a good memory that would know I pulled off the same thing before as town.
Answer the simple question, setsuen.
Why did you role claim today?
Why did you role claim today?
bc it was beneficial for my role. Still not answering whether the role is miller or not scum.Haneii wrote:
Answer the simple question, setsuen.
Why did you role claim today?
How does telling town you're a miller help your miller role?
Well it's pretty obvious you're lying about your role now.
Hopefully the rest of town sees how suspicious you are.
Goodnight, everyone.
Well it's pretty obvious you're lying about your role now.
Hopefully the rest of town sees how suspicious you are.
Goodnight, everyone.
Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted. 10/10Haneii wrote:
How does telling town you're a miller help your miller role?
Well it's pretty obvious you're lying about your role now.
Hopefully the rest of town sees how suspicious you are.
More like you're lie to town is horrible working against you.
That said Haneii has come up with points to use against me that has LITERALLY little to ZERO proof that I am scum OR lying about my role. The huge attempt to try to ML me D1 just tells us a lot why she's scum.
Miller might be my real role for all you know. However since Haneii is NOT willing to try and be lynched to know my reason for claiming even though she is SO SURE I don't have ANY real reason to claim miller I won't reveal it. CB and Nav probably know whether miller is real or not if they can remember WAYYYYY back.Raging Bull wrote:
Even if you claim miller, it already causes wifom. Now you add more wifom saying not yoir real role. But as someone said (forgot who), i feel like setsuen is town. Also still few more hourstill work over
Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.Setsuen wrote:
Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted.
Sorry but anyone looking at Lupus know I pulled off the same thing only with VT.Haneii wrote:
Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.
and you STILL don't know whether I am miller or not. So it's amazing how you're accusing me based off that.
Also
>Haneii thinking she can pull off a D1 ML on me when he doesn't even know whether I am miller or not and all his accusation are based off me claiming.
and there was another straight foward reason why I claimed miller that I didn't even consider adding cop into the equation
bc IF anyone remembered I did whine about my role at the start.
>Haneii thinking she can pull off a D1 ML on me when he doesn't even know whether I am miller or not and all his accusation are based off me claiming.
and there was another straight foward reason why I claimed miller that I didn't even consider adding cop into the equation
bc IF anyone remembered I did whine about my role at the start.
did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?
you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.
you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.
I have never seen scum Navizel troll as scum in my past games.pieguy1372 wrote:
did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?
you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.26
Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Going to sleep, and gotta run errands tomorrow morning, don't expect a vote count for about 10 hours unless i get time to post one before running errands.Frostings (2) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (4) - Raging Bull, Ace Timing, Zexion, sLaiNi
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
OMG, it's not "too late dear" it should've been obvious without having to ask 10 times, we are not lynching Setsuen so MOVE ON, and post something about someone else in the game aswell please?!Haneii wrote:
Too late, dear. It took you way too long to come up with a townie reason for claiming miller (I'm surprised it did, too. I'm sure another player in this game mentioned it earlier). Guess the pressure was getting to you. Would explain why you decided to implicitly tell me you're lying about your role first, before coming up with a town enough reason for role claiming today.Setsuen wrote:
Clearly it is much better not to claim miller and then wait until cop get a guilty on you so you can get lynched no matter what and then the cop get nightkilled right afterwards bc they outted.
MBomb
Catching up, but quick thing before I do.
Whilst it can be used as a good baseline, judging someone based on meta and nothing else is not a good idea.Setsuen wrote:
I have never seen scum Navizel troll as scum in my past games.pieguy1372 wrote:
did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?
you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.
MBomb
Frostings has a point here, we're not really using our votes to pressure people enough. Right now, the maximum amount of votes on someone is 2, and even earlier, I think the maximum amount of votes we had on someone was 4, and we didn't really add any pressure onto that.Frostings wrote:
Most of the reads come from amount of content pretty much. There isn't much to go off of, since no one bothers putting any pressure via votes
Honestly, my first thought here when you originally said this was you trying to refer to Setsuen saying he hates lurkers, and then you asked about the person who even said himself that he was a lurker, Setsuen said that he was neutral, which I found weird when I was thinking about it but decided not to mention it because I assumed there was a reason you were asking rEdo for his opinion on that, and I didn't want to get in the way.Haneii wrote:
Oddly enough, when I asked setsuen for his read on rEdo (who setsuen was voting for at the time) he told me:Why was rEdo treated differently? Why was setsuen still keeping his vote on rEdo? Is he trying to distance himself from rEdo?Setsuen wrote:
[quote="Haneii"@Setsuen: What do you think of rEdo?[/quote
rEdo is null. rEdo's post can be scum trying to look like they're doing something by talking about me or town who generally just state the obvious things about me.
For example:
[quote="rEdo"Nice point, by the way. I like the fact you're cautious.
Now when I think about this, scum could be selecting kills so they can scumpaint people. Let's say scum is in [7], then the team could kill [6] and [8] and say "hey, [7] is completety unhearable nao, scum pls b0ss!!!!".[/quote
is quite neutral bc either scum or town could have asked it to either benefit them if they're scum bc WIFOM or to clear up uncertainty if they are town depending on the answer Sakura gave.
I wanted to get a chance to talk to rEdo, but he never responded to my question and now he’s replaced out of the game.
I hope you meant in 24hrs, not every, seeing as the deadline is tomorrow.Haneii wrote:
Well, I have to go to bed now. I'll try and post once every 24hs, either before or after work. Try not going over 20+ pages while I'm gone (jk XD)
I find how much Haneii had to pressure Setsuen to get an answer to his question suspicious, but at the same time I can see why Setsuen would want to hide that as town (But of course there are also obvious reasons to hide it as scum).
However, the one stupid thing about Setsuen's claim. If we have a role cop and he scans you tonight, and you end up not being Miller, but some PR you were trying to hide from scum, you will almost inevitably get lynched tomorrow, as it's very easy to take your claim as "Oh I'll be guilty, don't scan me please", in the hope that there is no role cop, and unless you have very solid proof on your PR D2, this would seem a lot more likely, at least in my opinion, leading to the obvious conclusion that you would be scum, seeing as you'd basically admitted that you'd show as guilty to a cop.
Ok, after reading those posts, I'm like 99% sure that Haneii is town. The way they were arguing with Setsuen, along with the persistence of their questioning seemed too realistic to me, I don't think it could be faked.
Pieguy, could I ask for a tiny bit more detail on your Navizel read? Past your 3 lines, when you were listing your reads of everything, you haven't really gone into WHY you don't like stuff that Navizel has been saying, you just said that you don't like anything they've been saying. Maybe go into detail on a few specific posts which you think were scummy?
MBomb
MBomb
Rest is over
Reading the 39 page now,post later
Reading the 39 page now,post later
FTR I don't really think Haneii's scum either so Setsuen should move his vote too.
We should be trying to limit the lynch pool to like 2-3 people and start making a compromise.
MB you supposedly have the whole scumteam down:
We should be trying to limit the lynch pool to like 2-3 people and start making a compromise.
MB you supposedly have the whole scumteam down:
so if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched (instead of asking around for a case on Navi who should be town by PoE to you) because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen. It's basically gg when the 3 scum are being so obvious.
MBomb
I'm honestly getting the feeling I was reading this game wrong, though I assume to people scumreading me already that'll probably just seem like an attempt to "get out of suspicion".Drezi wrote:
FTR I don't really think Haneii's scum either so Setsuen should move his vote too.
We should be trying to limit the lynch pool to like 2-3 people and start making a compromise.
MB you supposedly have the whole scumteam down:so if you were town I'd expect you to actually summarize your cases and to be pushing hard to get us lynched (instead of asking around for a case on Navi who should be town by PoE to you) because I've checked your ISO and I'm not really seeing all those damning points against Frostings (or me for that matter, other than me having voted you lol).- Magic Bomb - wrote:
If I do end up getting lynched, lynch Drezi first, then Frostings, then Setsuen. It's basically gg when the 3 scum are being so obvious.
MBomb
I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking (And for the record, my reaction to Setsuen was most likely just me getting annoyed at his constant twisting of his words, more than me actually thinking he was scum). Hopefully with 2 of the lurkers having been replaced and the others having started talking more, I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.
MBomb
MBomb
Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.
lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.
Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.
CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562
I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601
What does this mean? p/4425142
lol pieguy p/4425942
I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478
zzz still reading.
Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.
CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562
I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601
What does this mean? p/4425142
lol pieguy p/4425942
I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478
zzz still reading.
uaaa. I think it's reasonable to be suspicious of your claim early on Setsuen, which makes me think Haneii is town. p/4427658
Like who Navizel? p/4427773
oohhh so thats why CB wanted something like that to happen. I'm stupid. p/4427919
Ace's reaction seems town to me. I tend to joke a lot too, but I suppose I was never scum read for it. I don't know about his other games though. p/4428770.
Gosh, no need for setup speculation. I like Zexions post about discussing setup speculation is fake contribution. p/4429956
Actually yeah, im not sure why ace would vote for someone who is not scum, on top of that saying obv town. It rubs me as strange as it sounds like he knows CB is town. p/4431166 Next few posts confused the crap out of me though.
@Ace timing, why did you vote CB for posting one scummy thing, but also said he isn't obv scum?
@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone. posting.php?mode=quote&f=84&p=4431279
Wtf, if anything Haneii would be scum then since Setsuen kept on trying to go for Haneii, but never actually voted for her. p/4433172
zzz rubs me wrong so far with him trying to sound very town. p/443322444
Good post, but dislike lack of vote on one of his null scum reads p/4433269
Anyways reads at this point are
null scum
Frosting
MB
null
everyone
null town
Navizel
Ace
Setsuen
Slani
fuck replacing. never again. At least its D1 though. Still reading.
Like who Navizel? p/4427773
oohhh so thats why CB wanted something like that to happen. I'm stupid. p/4427919
Ace's reaction seems town to me. I tend to joke a lot too, but I suppose I was never scum read for it. I don't know about his other games though. p/4428770.
Gosh, no need for setup speculation. I like Zexions post about discussing setup speculation is fake contribution. p/4429956
Actually yeah, im not sure why ace would vote for someone who is not scum, on top of that saying obv town. It rubs me as strange as it sounds like he knows CB is town. p/4431166 Next few posts confused the crap out of me though.
@Ace timing, why did you vote CB for posting one scummy thing, but also said he isn't obv scum?
@Frosting Hmm post who you think is scum Frostings. You said scum intentionally spread votes around, so who do you think is scum Don't think he even tried convince anyone to vote for his suspect nor continues to make sure they pressure someone. posting.php?mode=quote&f=84&p=4431279
Wtf, if anything Haneii would be scum then since Setsuen kept on trying to go for Haneii, but never actually voted for her. p/4433172
zzz rubs me wrong so far with him trying to sound very town. p/443322444
Good post, but dislike lack of vote on one of his null scum reads p/4433269
Anyways reads at this point are
null scum
Frosting
MB
null
everyone
null town
Navizel
Ace
Setsuen
Slani
fuck replacing. never again. At least its D1 though. Still reading.
Good point that he actually is going through all posts. For scum it wouldn't be beneficial as they don't need to know what everybody posted, cause they don't need to analyze people as indepth as town needs.Raging Bull wrote:
lesse. Slani is double voter. Thought he can hide his double voter ability if there is a lynch reveal or something. Seems newbie mistake. Seems like he cares when people vote for him. Admits it was a bad fail, but also tried his best to avoid the topic too. Seems like he likes to post more now since it is more fun to post. Kinda like me and my first mafia revival game, so seems town to me.
Setsuen claimed miller. I can't take it seriously though since farto just (non chalantly I think) asked him.
CB asking anyone to invest miller seems weird since it will be scum right? p/4424562
I always thought it would be best for townie to claim miller since it might be better than getting scanned as scum and then claim. p/4424601
What does this mean? p/4425142
lol pieguy p/4425942
I feel like Navizel knows something here. p/4427478
zzz still reading.
At the end of GIM someone stated that he would love to see Jess and Setsuen in a game together. Ace just made a Joke about that, as his most probable replacement would've been Jess.Raging Bull wrote:
What does this mean? p/4425142
Some people went nuts at his comment there, but I remembered the post in GIM right away, so I don't think there is anything else to this.
lol scum goes through comments aswell because that's expected of someone who replaced in, it doesn't make him town by itself.
and people "didn't go nuts" over him making the goddamn joke comment itself, I remembered that from last game aswell, how hard is it to understand why I voted him really......
and people "didn't go nuts" over him making the goddamn joke comment itself, I remembered that from last game aswell, how hard is it to understand why I voted him really......
Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.
Vote: Amianki
Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.Amianki wrote:
I guess the joke would've worked better if I actually got the role right.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Vote: Amianki
Went back to the page where he posted it and read the following few pages, actually you're right and you were the only one to really react to it.Drezi wrote:
lol scum goes through comments aswell because that's expected of someone who replaced in, it doesn't make him town by itself.
and people "didn't go nuts" over him making the goddamn joke comment itself, I remembered that from last game aswell, how hard is it to understand why I voted him really......
Sorry my wrong statement there. Still, there's nothing more to his joke there.
lol you forgot boldsLaiNi wrote:
Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.Amianki wrote:
I guess the joke would've worked better if I actually got the role right.
Move along, nothing to see here.
Vote: Amianki
Thank you, I wouldn't have noticed it-[Jess]- wrote:
lol you forgot boldsLaiNi wrote:
Amianki best lurking 2015. Your posts are not even close to try to contribute anything.
Better post what you think on more people than just Setsuen.
Vote: Amianki
Vote: Amianki
Ugh. Internet went down. Sorry.
What i meant by that is i dont feel like posting from phone. vote frostings
Probably post intermittently again tomorrow
Probably post intermittently again tomorrow
Unless my internet works again in the nexthour.
pieguy is GIF's alt FYI guys. GIF said the same thing to me in that stupid mafia scum forum where I 1v1 another stupid VT as VT.pieguy1372 wrote:
did I just read an entire goddamn page of Haneii and Setsuen arguing?
you're both town. you should actually help by putting your vote on Navizel.
WIFOM =/= Twist. It just means my words can have more than one meaning.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
I think I was lashing out at the 3 scummiest people who were actually speaking (And for the record, my reaction to Setsuen was most likely just me getting annoyed at his constant twisting of his words, more than me actually thinking he was scum). Hopefully with 2 of the lurkers having been replaced and the others having started talking more, I should be able to get a better grasp of the game now.
@RB:
CB seems neutral in his post other than his huge lurkfest which CB literallly never does if you look at his meta. although it does seem weird why he seem to avoid a lot of interaction with me.
This is exactly what I did as scum in a UPick game. You could have just said THIS LONG AGO if you actually wanted to say why Frosting was suspicious in the first place.- Magic Bomb - wrote:
Oh actually, I think I know exactly why my gut gives me a bad feeling on Frostings. He is literally not putting forward anything to this game. His posts, as few as they are, mostly consist of "Wow town are playing bad this game" "oh we should put more pressure on people via voting", and then not actually contributing any more, not putting any pressure on anyone, through voting or otherwise, and he's not helping town in any way, he's just stating we're playing badly. Oh also "We should start pressuring the lurkers" and then once again doing nothing about the lurkers.
guys deadline is closing in, and we need a lynch.
Frostings and MB seem to be the most popular candidates so far, and pieguy seems to be really convinced that Navi is scum so if he elaborates on his reasons in more detail we could consider that too, but otherwise stickting to your single votes here and there isn't gonna help, we need to compromise on someone.
Frostings and MB seem to be the most popular candidates so far, and pieguy seems to be really convinced that Navi is scum so if he elaborates on his reasons in more detail we could consider that too, but otherwise stickting to your single votes here and there isn't gonna help, we need to compromise on someone.
I'm lurking because 90% of the game is just 1v1 arguments. It's pretty common knowledge how I feel about those.
FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.
Topic Starter
Vote Count 1.26
Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
Amianki (2) - sLaiNi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Frostings (3) - Amianki, - Magic Bomb -, Raging Bull
- Magic Bomb - (2) - Frostings, Drezi
Amianki (2) - sLaiNi
sLaiNi (1) - Navizel
Raging Bull (1) - -[Jess]-
Setsuen (1) - Haneii
Haneii (1) - Setsuen
Navizel (1) - pieguy1372
Not Voting (2) - Ace Timing, Zexion
With 13 Alive it takes 7 to lynch
Might be a language problem on my site, but did you just say "I'm lurking, but that's okay because it's just me?"Amianki wrote:
FTR, unless I'm spamming the shit out of the game for a long period of time (only ever do it as town), activity is dead null for me.
You could go on and atleast tell us who you think is suspicious or who you think is most probably town.
Setsuen is town and people really need to stop being baited into 1v1s with him. It literally kills the game.
I remember Frostings was scum for something I noticed early in the game before all that happened, so I'm sticking with it.
Your vote on Frostings is from the early stages of the game and without a comment, anything there? Thoughts on Magic Bomb?
My gut is ringing town based on the most recent page of his ISO.