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Ace Timing

Zexion wrote:

Ace Timing wrote:

I know that, I was just joking.
I don't get the joke.
The joke was when I accused SNB of being scumpals with Nyquill.
Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I don't get the joke.
The joke was when I accused SNB of being scumpals with Nyquill.
Not to sound rude or anything, but LyLo isn't a really good moment to make non-serious posts...
Nyquill
If that was meant to be a vote fish, that looked really really tight. But by the above exchange, the chance the SNB and Zexion are scumbuddies are really low.

Okay I'm going to rewind a bit since I missed out on the discussion day 2.

Scumteam has to be people that COMPLETELY missed the entire turmoil between Drezi and rEdo, otherwise there would actually be no logical explanation for the Drezi kill.

I think at this point Jess takes the cake for the above category.

Ace takes notice immediately that its odd that scum would pick Drezi as a kill target. That and he posted while being sandwiched between all of that. I don't think its likely he is scum. It doesn't immediately put him in the clear by the above because its by a logic I still don't agree with.

Zexion: solidify your claim if you weren't just fucking around day 2. This is important.
Nyquill

Ace Timing wrote:

There is also no benefit of revealing my full set of reads.
I won't vote on just this just yet, but just I'll leave it here so that people won't say I'm not paying attention or something.
Revealing all your reads day 1 means showing all your cards up front. It doesn't benefit scumhunting as much as actual actions do.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 3.1

[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Nyquill, Static Noise Bird, Zexion
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is July 19th at 11:00PM CST (GMT-6). This is 94.5 hours away from now.
-[Jess]-
Just curious, why no one thinks IF Ace was misleading us to the wrong direction?

and there has 20% for everyone was scum.

@All please post your though about who is scum(sound silly and use probability)(5 people=100%)

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will go now,back in 3 hour later
Birdy

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just curious, why no one thinks IF Ace was misleading us to the wrong direction?
I don't know what you're trying to say (or referring to) but it sounds like blackpainting to me. There's no such thing as "too townie to be a townie" in case you were formerly townreading him or whatever.

Nyquill wrote:

Scumteam has to be people that COMPLETELY missed the entire turmoil between Drezi and rEdo, otherwise there would actually be no logical explanation for the Drezi kill.
Good point.
Birdy

Nyquill wrote:

Ace takes notice immediately that its odd that scum would pick Drezi as a kill target. That and he posted while being sandwiched between all of that. I don't think its likely he is scum. It doesn't immediately put him in the clear by the above because its by a logic I still don't agree with.
Also fuck I just realized this might be an attempt to defend Ace by Nyquill, which does sound more legitimate now when brought up many days after it happened. I hate all this wine.
Zexion

Nyquill wrote:

Scumteam has to be people that COMPLETELY missed the entire turmoil between Drezi and rEdo, otherwise there would actually be no logical explanation for the Drezi kill.

I think at this point Jess takes the cake for the above category.

Ace takes notice immediately that its odd that scum would pick Drezi as a kill target. That and he posted while being sandwiched between all of that. I don't think its likely he is scum. It doesn't immediately put him in the clear by the above because its by a logic I still don't agree with.

Zexion: solidify your claim if you weren't just fucking around day 2. This is important.
That's an interesting point. Drezi was just a good poster back there (i.e. he looked in depth in a lot of things) and rEdo's final post suspected him, scum could have used this to their advantage D2, seems he was just killed for talking too much... at least that what I get from that point.

I agree with Jess taking that place. She did just jump on the rEdo's wagon just because Drezi spoke nice words too: p/4304551

-[Jess]- wrote:

unvote
vote:rEdo

I am agree what Drezi said about rEdo.

About slaini.....let him live in D1 :^)maybe?
(this post is quite interesting to read after the flips)

Ace huh.. you probably mean: p/4311963/

Ace Timing wrote:

My biggest question is, why did both scum pick Drezi? It seems sort of counter intuitive, seeing as there is no doctor in the case of Navi being JK.
I honestly never gave it more thought actually... I just imagined Drezi got killed by being a big talker and maybe pointed some newb-scum, but I never undestood ther role part. If we assume Mafia has a roleblocker, it makes sense why Navi didn't get killed N1, but his death N2 makes me wonder if scum ran out of targets and killed him just to increase the chance of a mislynch.

Also sorry, I'm a VT. I did not meant to claim a power role last day and lying from my part would be really stupid.

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just curious, why no one thinks IF Ace was misleading us to the wrong direction?

and there has 20% for everyone was scum.

@All please post your though about who is scum(sound silly and use probability)(5 people=100%)

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So you're just spreading WIFOM. This is not a game of chances btw, we're not going to lynch someone randomly. This post sucks.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Ace takes notice immediately that its odd that scum would pick Drezi as a kill target. That and he posted while being sandwiched between all of that. I don't think its likely he is scum. It doesn't immediately put him in the clear by the above because its by a logic I still don't agree with.
Also fuck I just realized this might be an attempt to defend Ace by Nyquill, which does sound more legitimate now when brought up many days after it happened. I hate all this wine.
...I think I'm drunk from all this alcohol.

I'll be taking my time to think this a bit better.
Zexion

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Nyquill wrote:

Ace takes notice immediately that its odd that scum would pick Drezi as a kill target. That and he posted while being sandwiched between all of that. I don't think its likely he is scum. It doesn't immediately put him in the clear by the above because its by a logic I still don't agree with.
Also fuck I just realized this might be an attempt to defend Ace by Nyquill, which does sound more legitimate now when brought up many days after it happened. I hate all this wine.
But I also don't think Nyquill could have brought this sooner considering he was V/LA for almost all of D2.
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just curious, why no one thinks IF Ace was misleading us to the wrong direction?

and there has 20% for everyone was scum.

@All please post your though about who is scum(sound silly and use probability)(5 people=100%)

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Now that's a summy post.
  1. Putting suspicion on people with no evidence
  2. Asking for scum reads without sharing their own
  3. No explanations
  4. Classic "will be back in x hours"
This is gold.
Zexion

Ace Timing wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just curious, why no one thinks IF Ace was misleading us to the wrong direction?

and there has 20% for everyone was scum.

@All please post your though about who is scum(sound silly and use probability)(5 people=100%)

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will go now,back in 3 hour later
Now that's a summy post.
  1. Putting suspicion on people with no evidence
  2. Asking for scum reads without sharing their own
  3. No explanations
  4. Classic "will be back in x hours"
This is gold.
Your post feels forced you know, it's kinda obvious how bad that post is so you don't really need to point every little thing...

The paranoia is killing me.
-[Jess]-
@mod: V/LA until July 18

I have push myself so hard in thinking and planing my read
and I need rest and relax myself a bit.it let me can't sleep at night:(.
Zexion

-[Jess]- wrote:

@mod: V/LA until July 18

I have push myself so hard in thinking and planing my read
and I need rest and relax myself a bit.it let me can't sleep at night:(.
V/LA means you can't post at all, not that you don't want to post on this game.

We are all posting assumptions now. There's no need for your read to be perfect and plan it so much.

This is becoming so bad I'm about to cry.

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I don't think SNB is scum. She could have easily joined the rEdo wagon D1 but yet she pushed the Slaini lynch when she didn't have to.

An Ace+Jess team makes sense to me. Ace post feel way too forced and it might have been bussing. But then again Ace pointing the wierdness at the Drezi NK makes this all fall apart.

On the other hand, Jess is playing so bad that it makes me wonder how a possible scumpartner would react, or atleast what they would have talked about on night. I think at this point bussing would be really probable.

I also think we need to post more. Like, soon.
Birdy

Zexion wrote:

V/LA means you can't post at all, not that you don't want to post on this game.
I thought it meant limited access?! When I was V/LA during moving out I think I posted once or twice...

Also Ace you're dumb. Sure "Asking for scum reads without sharing their own" was a valid point, but I'm not so sure about them being scum ready to sheep someone, more like a newbie possibly trying to sheep someone.

Anyway I'm not sure about anything at this point, though I might have to vote Nyquill soon - I had my suspicions about Sakura at times through D1, though I believe I might never have voiced them. Nyquill is not looking good, at least. Not sure about Zexion here anymore, probably at the moment most townish after Jess, as Jess looks more like... well I just explained it didn't I. Ace could be a scum for trying to force a lynch with rather fragile reasoning - at this point of the game it's really just a way to get the game to end quickly, I guess by hoping someone from the townspeople would put a quick reckless vote there and therefore end the game?

I'm definitely not closing out any possibilities yet (especially about Jess), while trying to not overreact to anything (as if there was much to react to lmao) either.

I cry.
Ace Timing
I voted to hurry things along, but that was received negatively, so I guess the FoS would've been better there. Sorry for a misunderstanding if there is one, I want to be as transparent as possible, but some may take this as me lying to earn towncred, so whatever, I just wanted to let you guys know.
Nyquill

Zexion wrote:

I don't think SNB is scum. She could have easily joined the rEdo wagon D1 but yet she pushed the Slaini lynch when she didn't have to.
But slaini also flipped town, and if SNB was scum he wouldn't really care since he'd know both of them are mislynches? I mean Im not sure where this reasoning is coming from.

Frankly at this moment, since I don't see you being possible scumbuddies with SNB, I don't want to lynch from you guys right now. If either of you gets removed tonight provided we lynch correctly, and if I'm still alive, I think I can make a much better judgement.

Ace vs Jess.
Zexion

Nyquill wrote:

Zexion wrote:

I don't think SNB is scum. She could have easily joined the rEdo wagon D1 but yet she pushed the Slaini lynch when she didn't have to.
But slaini also flipped town, and if SNB was scum he wouldn't really care since he'd know both of them are mislynches? I mean Im not sure where this reasoning is coming from.

Frankly at this moment, since I don't see you being possible scumbuddies with SNB, I don't want to lynch from you guys right now. If either of you gets removed tonight provided we lynch correctly, and if I'm still alive, I think I can make a much better judgement.

Ace vs Jess.
My first point was because the rEdo lynch was easier to push due to Drezi's walls. But you're right, that logic is flawed.

I also didn't have intention to lynch you or SNB right now. I was either going for Jess or Ace, but honestly Jess being so bad at this point (I mean, we have all the reasons to lynch her) it was makes this all too strange... and too convinient.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 3.2

[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Nyquill, Static Noise Bird, Zexion
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is July 19th at 11:00PM CST (GMT-6). This is 47.5 hours away from now.
Birdy
Jess does seem questionable, as does literally everyone, and I'm afraid it will turn out exactly like with Slaini.

I can't say I'm not interested in lynching Ace at this point, though. In addition to the previously mentioned reasons, with the earlier vote by them, I think Ace would have not done it as a townsman, if we look at how easy it would have been for the scum to just jump on the wagon and end the game.
Ace Timing

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Jess does seem questionable, as does literally everyone, and I'm afraid it will turn out exactly like with Slaini.

I can't say I'm not interested in lynching Ace at this point, though. In addition to the previously mentioned reasons, with the earlier vote by them, I think Ace would have not done it as a townsman, if we look at how easy it would have been for the scum to just jump on the wagon and end the game.
I already explained why that vote was justified. No one was jumping on that wagon. Until I was asked by both you and Zexion to pull my vote, I was watching very closely to see how Nyquill or Jess would respond. If anyone else voted, I would have pulled the vote. Not saying that the post accusing Nyquill with rather weak logic was a reaction test as well, but the vote was. I didn't get anything out of it, mind you, either. I'm still not too sure about Nyquill, but I'm not opposed to Jess being lynched. But then again we have 47 hours left, we might as well make use of them, and scumhunt to the end.
Ace Timing
Guys we're losing precious time. We need to decide who to lynch, if we don't lynch scum today, we'll lose. Now's not the best time for this game to be dead.
Birdy
I thought I posted something whopps. I was supposed to say something along the lines of not being able to take any risks of closing the possibility of my theory out.

I'm just highly paranoid at this state of the game tbh. I've never even been in LyLo before, fuck.
Topic Starter
Amianki
-[Jess]-'s V/LA is now considered expired.

24 hours (and two minutes) until deadline.
-[Jess]-
any final conclusion yet?Who will be lynch?
Birdy

-[Jess]- wrote:

any final conclusion yet?Who will be lynch?
Who do you think should be?
-[Jess]-

Static Noise Bird wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

any final conclusion yet?Who will be lynch?
Who do you think should be?
Either me or Ace.
Birdy

-[Jess]- wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Who do you think should be?
Either me or Ace.
Are you scumclaiming?
-[Jess]-

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Are you scumclaiming?
Hmmm.....I don't know if it's yes or no for me.
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Since You guys have much reason to lynch me and I want to share my thoughts about ace

Ace like to hurry us to make a lynch.I am curious about why he do that.
And I seen he has rush to lynch about more than once.
What is that means?
Topic Starter
Amianki
10 hours and 22 minutes left.

Vote count still empty.
Nyquill
wtf is this LOL
Nyquill
Also I had hoped this situation wouldn't happen. We have 8 hours to decide on someone to lynch guys. I'm not really good at leading town so I think I'll leave some of my thoughts on the two people I want lynched from and come back to it in a bit:

Jess is slowly leaning into a Slaini seat, as in she's LITERALLY saying scummy things at every turn. personally I think she's the better lynch, but again, Slaini seat...

Ace doesn't seem to be scum to me, but I think he has potential to be scumbuddies with either zexion or SNB more. The only person I see Jess being scumbuddies is Zexion, as SNB's jump on Jess's "scumslip" on QTs seemed like legitimate concern and not an attempt to bus.
Ace Timing

-[Jess]- wrote:

Ace like to hurry us to make a lynch.I am curious about why he do that.
And I seen he has rush to lynch about more than once.
What is that means?
This is the one time I'm pushing for us to find scum. It's LyLo, if we don't lynch scum we lose.
I haven't ever pushed for lynch, in fact, I haven't voted anyone who has been lynched.

Amianki wrote:

Vote Count 2.7

[3]sLaiNi -- -[Jess]-, Navizel, Static Noise Bird [L-1]
[1] -[Jess]- -- sLaiNi
[1] Static Noise Bird -- Zexion
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 7 alive, it's 4 to lynch.

Deadline is July 12 at 10:00PM CST (GMT-6). This is -0.25 hours away from now.

Amianki wrote:

Vote Count 1.11


[4] rEdo -- Drezi, Zexion, sLaiNi, -[Jess]- [L-1]
[3] sLaiNi -- Navizel rEdo, Static Noise Bird
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill
With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). <-------- -3 HOURS FROM NOW

Static Noise Bird is V/LA until after day ends (July 5).
As seen here. You on the other hand are on every single wagon that led to a lynch.
Ace Timing
lmao 6 hours left and no votes.
Zexion
... If Jess is town, then town already lost. Even if we lynch another person who is actually scum I can guarantee Jess will live D4 because her playstyle. So it would end with one scum, one town and one player who can only scumpaint itself with every single post, meaning than the next LyLo will be pretty much impossible.

So I'm going to take the risk and vote for Jess. I assume someone here has no objections? I know this doesn't feel right and honestly I've thinking about other scumteams but I don't think I have time nor the will to go back and give all my explanations.
Ace Timing
I'm gonna be pissed if scumteam was SNB and Nyquill, but, might as well just vote for whoever's the scummiest
vote Jess
Birdy
And I'm gonna be pissed if it's Nyquill and Zexion. Especially Zexion since I was so suspicious of them until you and Jess started being scummy. :?

Vote: Jess
Nyquill

-[Jess]- wrote:

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Are you scumclaiming?
Hmmm.....I don't know if it's yes or no for me.
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Since You guys have much reason to lynch me and I want to share my thoughts about ace

Ace like to hurry us to make a lynch.I am curious about why he do that.
And I seen he has rush to lynch about more than once.
What is that means?
There's actually no way this is a town reaction.
Nyquill
zexion don't hammer, at 2 votes jess will get lynched either way. Might as well get the most out of the day.
Zexion
I had no intent to hammer. In fact I didn't vote because I wanted to see you guys reaction, as expected Ace voted Jess right away but I didn't expect SNB to do so too...

But anyways, my last statement holds true: if Jess its town, then there's no way we can win this... unless we determine the scumteam right now... Anyways we would need Jess vote if that was the case and I really doubt she will show on time.
Zexion
Could it be? SNB+Ace?

...

We would need Jess' vote anyways. And that team doesn't make sense in my head considering what happened in the game.
-[Jess]-
vote: Ace Timing

This is it
Nyquill
wow this is tight
Zexion
...and here's me expecting Jess would say something on her defense.
Nyquill
given how Jess hasn't said anything really, that seems like a stretch
Zexion
Since there's no point arguing further, I'm going to do something to prevent an instant loss for town coming from the weird possibility of a Nyquill+Jess scumteam.

Vote: Jess

And that's the hammer. If I just helped the scumteam of Ace+SNB, gg wp
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 3.3

[3] -[Jess]- -- Ace Timing, Static Noise Bird, Zexion [LYNCH]
[1] Ace Timing -- -[Jess]-
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Nyquill
With 5 alive, it's 3 to lynch.

Deadline is July 19th at 11:00PM CST (GMT-6). This is 0.3 hours away from now.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Bonk.

-[Jess]-, Mafia Roleblocker, has been lynched day three.

It is now Night three. Deadline is July 21st, 9:45PM CST (GMT-6). This is exactly 48 hours (and 2 minutes) from now.
Topic Starter
Amianki
And another one goes byebye.

Zexion, Town Vanilla, has been killed night three.

It is now Day Four. Deadline is July 27th, 12:00AM CST (GMT-6). This is exactly five days from now.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 4.1

[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill, Static Noise Bird
With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.

Deadline is July 27th at 12:00AM CST (GMT-6). This is 120 hours away from now.
Nyquill
BP claim now.
Birdy

Nyquill wrote:

BP claim now.
Aight, I'm here.
Zexion
Welp.

Good luck town.
Ace Timing
Well this is tense.
Birdy
Intense.

I'm tired and will be gone for the majority of tomorrow, I'll probably have a chance to get online after my train trip though. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Nyquill
COCKS DON'T GO AWAY WHEN I'M ABOUT TO START TALKING
Nyquill
So there's no counter claim?
Ace Timing

Nyquill wrote:

So there's no counter claim?
I'm VT, so the only other person who could claim is you.
Ace Timing
The activity on this one :roll:
Birdy
I'm kind of just waiting for Nyquill to respond / react / post anything.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 4.2

[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Nyquill --
[0] Static Noise Bird --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- Ace Timing, Nyquill, Static Noise Bird
With 3 alive, it's 2 to lynch.

Deadline is July 27th at 12:00AM CST (GMT-6). This is 80 hours away from now.
Nyquill
Why are you expecting me to post something. Other than the obvious. [b]Vote:Ace Timing[/b]

Kind of surprised it ended up being this scum team though. I always thought one of snb or zexion was scum because of the kill choices.
Nyquill
Vote: Ace Timing
Nyquill
I'm going to be making do with my phone for the next few days.
Ace Timing
if SNB is bulletproof then nyquill is only scum left. So...
vote Nyquill
If SNB votes for me, then sum played well(?) I guess.
Ace Timing
So tight
Ace Timing
Its weird too, because Nyquill is the least scummy according to scumputer.
Birdy
I didn't expect the votes to happen this quick. So I see it's up to me now. Fuck.

I was wary of Sakura at certain points during D1 and when Nyquill replaced them and was mostly V/LA afterwards, it didn't help reading that slot much. Ace was indeed enigmatic through the first phases and also suspicious lately due to the push, which kind of cleared up when Jess flipped scum. Then again that could have been a good bussing tactic, but I'll just assume Ace wouldn't be smart enough to do that :^) (considering how they could have gone pushing for a town mislynch too).

Here goes the game.

Vote: Nyquill
Topic Starter
Amianki
I'll format sometime when I'm not scrambling to get ready for work.

Nyquill has been lynched day four. He was a mafia goon.

Town wins.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Links and setup go here.

Everyone is now free to post in the thread.
Birdy
Hell yes.
-[Jess]-
Good game

I am a bad scum ;w;
Navizel
oh wow
Zexion
And that's why I gotta trust my logic more than I trust my gut feelings.

Excelent work SNB! Great game everyone! Scum almost had this one but we surely turned the tables!
Zexion
Also Sakura scum is really hard to read. D:
Navizel
She was switching votes quickly. Even though that's meta, it's something to be noted.
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

Also Sakura scum is really hard to read. D:
Dunno if that's a compliment.
I left because i wasn't enjoying the game then real life stuff happened and i didnt feel like playing mafia.

Edit: I am known for having random 180 flips in reads, which is still something im trying to fix, my scumgame's known for having less read flips and less vote switches, which is why i was trying to implement them here.
Ace Timing
I've been thinking about this for nearly a month, but I still have no idea why on one of my reads really early on, I have Sakura as null-scum.
sLaiNi
Thanks to all for a very fun first game.


Props still to Zexion for knowing exactly what was going on in my newbie mind :3
Nyquill
W tf I didn't even get to do my 1v1
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

Also Sakura scum is really hard to read. D:
Dunno if that's a compliment.
I left because i wasn't enjoying the game then real life stuff happened and i didnt feel like playing mafia.

Edit: I am known for having random 180 flips in reads, which is still something im trying to fix, my scumgame's known for having less read flips and less vote switches, which is why i was trying to implement them here.
Take it as a compliment. I really felt something different from you in this game (I think in all other games I've played with town Sakura) but I couldn't really come up to say you were scum, so yeah, I was really lost.

It was just that replacement that made me think things, if I consider Jess as your scumpartner then it makes sense you were scum. It might have been for different reasons but that was how I readed it back then >_<

Still, you played great!
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