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Newbie Game 13 - Matrix6 (Game Over)

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Topic Starter
Amianki
This is the standard mafiascum newbie game set-up. More information abut it can be found here.

Moderator: Amianki

Player List (Bolded is confirmed) (Asterisks indicate a prod)
1. -[Jess]-
2. Ace Timing
3. Drezi
4. Navizel
5. Nyquill Sakura
6. rEdo Hika
7. sLaiNi
8. Static Noise Bird
9. Zexion

Replacements:
1. Irreversible

Alive (2/9)
Ace Timing
Static Noise Bird



Dead (7/9)
1. rEdo, Town Vanilla, lynched day one.
2. Drezi, Town Vanilla, killed night one.
3. sLaiNi, Town Vanilla, lynched day two.
4. Navizel, Town Jailkeeper, killed night two.
5. -[Jess]-, Mafia Roleblocker, lynched day three.
6. Zexion, Town Vanilla, killed night three.
7. Nyquill, Mafia Goon, lynched day four.


Topic Starter
Amianki
Game Rules

General
1.1) All site rules apply. Be familiar with them before playing.
1.2) Unless your role PM says otherwise, you are not allowed to talk about the game outside of the thread.
1.3) Quoting any PM from the moderator will result in a modkill. Paraphrasing is usually acceptable.
1.4) This is a game and strong language/tones are possible. As long as it remains civil, it is acceptable. Personal grudges or harassment (sexist, homophobic, racist, etc.) is not acceptable. The first offense will result in a warning, while the second will result in a force replace.

Game Mechanics
2.1) All votes must be bolded. Votes without this format will be ignored.
2.2) Votes within quote or spoiler tags will be ignored.
2.3) It is recommended to use a player's full name for votes, but it is acceptable to shorten it as long as it doesn't cause confusion. Any ambiguous votes will be ignored.
2.4) Unvoting is recommended for changing your vote, but not required. The exceptions are when you aren't placing another vote or if you have a multiple voting ability.
2.5) A lynch will be achieved when 50%+1 of the player list has their vote on a single person. Once that threshold is reached, the game enters twilight and no more votes will count for the day. No lynch votes require only 50% of the player list to go through.
2.6) You are allowed a single post in the thread once you are dead. This post must not contain any game-relevant information.
2.7) If deadline is reached without anyone ever hitting the lynch threshold, then a lynch will only occur if someone is at one vote below the lynch threshold. If multiple, then the first one to hit it will be lynched.

Activity and Deadlines
3.1) Do your best to stay active. This game is a commitment.
3.2) If you do not post in the thread for 36 hours, you are eligable for a prod PM. Players may request a prod if another player hasn't posted in that time.
3.3) If a player has to be prodded 3 times in a day, or 4 times total across the game, they may be force-replaced.
3.4) Players have 24 hours after recieving a prod to open the PM. After this threshold has passed, I will begin looking for a replacement.
3.5) If you will be gone for an extended period of time, you may post your V/LA in bold. The Prod Timer will be ignored for the duration and will be reset once it is over. V/LAs should not be longer than half of a day phase if you will have no access.
3.6) If you have to be gone for a significant amount of time, you will most likely be replaced. Finding your own replacement is appreciated, but not strictly required.
3.7) Deadlines will be days equal to the amount of players left alive, with a minimum of five days.
3.8) Nights will have a 48 hour deadline. Failure to submit an action will result in you doing nothing for the night.
3.9) Deadlines for both day and night may be extended depending on the circumstances. While night deadlines will only be extended due to replacement issues, day deadlines are more flexible. Replacements are most likely to be the cause of a day's deadline extending, but aren't necessarily the only possible cause.
3.10) Once you have submitted a replacement request, you're out of the game. Do not post in the thread anymore unless you are replaced back into your own slot.

Miscellaneous
4.1) Do not post in green. This is the moderator's color. Any other color is fair game as long as it doesn't detract from the game's readability.
4.2) I will do my best to post vote counts at least once a day. Depending on the activity level, I will post vote counts either more or less often. If you request a vote count, I will provide one at the next opportunity.
4.3) Do not post cryptography, codes, invisible text, or small text.
4.4) Editing your post is grounds for an immediate modkill. Don't do it.
4.5) All story flavor is completely game-irrelevant.
4.7) If a vote count is incorrect, let me know and I'll correct it when I have time.
4.8) Feel free to PM me if something in the game or ruleset is unclear.
4.9) Loopholes do not exist. Use common sense. If something sounds like it would be against the rules and isn't listed here, chances are you will still be punished for it. See rule 4.8 if you're unsure.
4.10) I reserve the right to modify the ruleset as needed. If this happens, you will be notified in thread.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Here is a list of every possible role PM in the game:

Vanilla Townie wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! It's too bad there's nothing else about you that's interesting.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Town Cop wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You also were the guy keeping everyone in line before the shenanigans happened. Lot of good it did you now.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][A] - Investigation - Being a cop, you have the right to formally investigate anyone in the town. When the night phase ends, you will be told the alignment of your target.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Town Doctor wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You also were trained to heal people when they were in trouble. It's too bad you can't heal fatal bullet wounds.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][A] - Protection - Being a doctor, you can heal people. If the person under your protection would be killed that night, they will instead survive.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Town Jailkeeper wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You also managed the jail, so you were the most composed when the mafia began rearing their ugly heads.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][A] - Locked Away - Being the manager of the jail, you have the ability to use it for your own ends. You can secretly place someone in a jail cell, effectively preventing them from acting or being acted upon that night.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Town 1-Shot Bulletproof wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You're also the most paranoid person to ever live, so you just HAD to have a bulletproof vest on at all times.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][P] - Paranoia - Your paranoia means you have a bulletproof vest on. You will survive one attack by the mafia, but the next one will kill you. You should have invested in full body protection.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Town Tracker wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! Your previous endeavors with relationships have made you quite skilled at stalking people as well.

Alignment: Town

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][A] - Stalker - You can stalk someone at night and know who they ended up visiting, if anyone.

You win when every anti-town faction has been eliminated.

Mafia Roleblocker wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You also hate everyone inside and wish them to leave so you can rule the town for yourself. That's rather violent, don't you think?

Alignment: Mafia

Faction Abilities:
[N][P] - Scheming - You and your partner (____, a Mafia Goon) may speak every night here.
[N][A] - Brutality - Each night, you and your partner may kill someone in that game. One person must carry out the deed.

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.
[N][A] - Strongarm - You are a pretty intimidating guy. Just strongarm someone as the sun goes down and they will be unable to commit to any actions that night.

You win when your team makes up half of the players currently alive or this can no longer be stopped from happening.

Mafia Goon wrote:

You live in this town! Woo! You also hate everyone inside and wish them to leave so you can rule the town for yourself. That's rather violent, don't you think?

Alignment: Mafia

Faction Abilities:
[N][P] - Scheming - You and your partner (____, a Mafia Goon/Roleblocker) may speak every night here.
[N][A] - Brutality - Each night, you and your partner may kill someone in that game. One person must carry out the deed.

Personal Abilities:
[D] - Personal Opinion - You are part of this town, so you get a say in who gets brutally murdered every day phase. Sounds like fun.

You win when your team makes up half of the players currently alive or this can no longer be stopped from happening.
Key:

[D] = Day Action
[N] = Night Action
[A] = Active Ability
[P] = Passive Ability
-[Jess]-
/in

i am so excited!
Sakura
huh, i thought in Matrix6 the Scum roleblocker could perform both actions, or at least in MS's newbie games.
Edit: I like the flavor tho, fits my avatar (and it kind of reminds me of that one high school mafia game i ran ages ago)
/in
Edit 2: So scum wins when every anti-town faction has been eliminated?
Edit 3: Oh cool, it's fixed.
Hika
ya im in
Navizel
oh hey

/in
Drezi
yay

/in
Zexion
I'm gonna regret this, aren't I?

/in
rEdo
In for the replacement queue.
Topic Starter
Amianki

Sakura wrote:

huh, i thought in Matrix6 the Scum roleblocker could perform both actions, or at least in MS's newbie games.
Edit: I like the flavor tho, fits my avatar (and it kind of reminds me of that one high school mafia game i ran ages ago)
/in
Edit 2: So scum wins when every anti-town faction has been eliminated?
Edit 3: Oh cool, it's fixed.
Yeah everyone wins when scum dies; that's the gimmick for this game. Thanks for spoiling it ) *:

EDIT: I had forgotten how hideous these emotes are.
Ace Timing
/in
Birdy
/in as fuck.
Zexion
mfw number six
sLaiNi
/in , completely new to this game though :3
Nyquill
/replace
Topic Starter
Amianki
The game has filled up. I'll set everything up and send role PMs out soonish.
Topic Starter
Amianki
All role PMs are out; please confirm that you have received it in thread.

Once we are at 7/9 confirmed, the game will begin.
Hika
done
Drezi
conf
Sakura
/confirm
-[Jess]-
/comfirm
-[Jess]-
Whoops,typo for that

/confirm
Navizel
hey
Zexion
what's up

/konfirm
Irreversible
Oh man, missed again :X Would replace if possible.
sLaiNi
/confirm :D
Birdy
confirming
Topic Starter
Amianki
With 8/9 confirmed, day 1 begins.

Deadline is Friday, July 3rd, at 3:30 PM CST (GMT-6). This is roughly nine days from now.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.01


[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Ace Timing --
[0] Drezi --
[0] Hika --
[0] Navizel --
[0] Sakura --
[0] sLaiNi --
[0] Static Noise Bird --
[0] Zexion --


[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Drezi, Hika, Navizel, Sakura, sLaiNi, Static Noise Bird, Zexion

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6). This is roughly 9 days from now.
Navizel
yoooo

Vote: Drezi
Birdy
Ah great, I was just running out of other things to do.

Vote: Ace Timing
Drezi
Alright guys my reads so far:

TOWN:
Static Noise Bird
Sakura

SCUM:
Zexion

NULL:
Everyone else

Vote: Zexion
Zexion
You liar Sakura, you stole my number six and then accuse me of being scum. That's low!

Vote: Sakura
Zexion
Ugghh sorry, was kinda drunk and didn't notice it was actually Drezi voting me. Sorry Sakura! :(

I'm still keeping my vote cause' you stole my number.
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

You liar Sakura, you stole my number six and then accuse me of being scum. That's low!

Vote: Sakura
Except i didn't do any of that.

Zexion wrote:

Ugghh sorry, was kinda drunk and didn't notice it was actually Drezi voting me. Sorry Sakura! :(

I'm still keeping my vote cause' you stole my number.
How the hell do you confuse drezi with me, tho i guess for scum all town must look the same
Vote: Zexion
OMGUS and all that.
Sakura

Drezi wrote:

Alright guys my reads so far:

TOWN:
Static Noise Bird
Sakura

SCUM:
Zexion

NULL:
Everyone else

Vote: Zexion
I wonder how you got to this... Zexion's vote is cool tho.
Everyone should join this wagon, it has unicorns and, a pot of gold and a rainbow, not exactly in that order.
Sakura
Also i love how the title still says 0/9 confirmed.
Sakura
I thought when games opened up they'd be more active than this... this is gonna be a looong day.
Navizel
Where are the others

I feel like Drezi's reads are just for rvs therefore insignificant. If it's not, I would like to know the reasons as well. He ignored my vote too. (it's an rv but still)

and unicorns aren't real :< [spoiler]I wish they are[/color]
Navizel
fuck tags lmao
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

You liar Sakura, you stole my number six and then accuse me of being scum. That's low!

Vote: Sakura
Except i didn't do any of that.

Zexion wrote:

Ugghh sorry, was kinda drunk and didn't notice it was actually Drezi voting me. Sorry Sakura! :(

I'm still keeping my vote cause' you stole my number.
How the hell do you confuse drezi with me, tho i guess for scum all town must look the same
Vote: Zexion
OMGUS and all that.
You did stole my number six position.

Also this wagon confirms Sakura+Drezi scumteam!... maybe.
Sakura
Yeah i was thinking about that earlier, but thing is the way he put me as town before I even posted felt like some sort of early buddying so when he would flip scum people would trace back their posts and look at that then try to tie me up with him. Although i dont remember much of Drezi scum, and even if he was scum, I highly doubt he would go through such a coordinate pre-game plan of suiciding to take me down with him.
So in other words, i hardly feel that scum would've come up with such a risky tactic, and it's more than likely just town trying to get reactions out of RVS. And even in the low chance that he was scum, i doubt he'd be scum together with Zexion, so there's another point in favor towards voting Zexion.

Of course this is probably just stuff im making up in my head or being paranoid and trying to figure out how he put me as a townread before i even posted, and i could just be missing the entire point of it, but it's not like there's much else to go on atm.

Do you have any reads or comments gained from what little has been posted?
Sakura
Also my initial vote on zexion was something something mafiascum something something thor something something RVS something something wagons something something reactions.

My vote is now serious.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Yeah i was thinking about that earlier, but thing is the way he put me as town before I even posted felt like some sort of early buddying so when he would flip scum people would trace back their posts and look at that then try to tie me up with him. Although i dont remember much of Drezi scum, and even if he was scum, I highly doubt he would go through such a coordinate pre-game plan of suiciding to take me down with him.
So in other words, i hardly feel that scum would've come up with such a risky tactic, and it's more than likely just town trying to get reactions out of RVS. And even in the low chance that he was scum, i doubt he'd be scum together with Zexion, so there's another point in favor towards voting Zexion.

Of course this is probably just stuff im making up in my head or being paranoid and trying to figure out how he put me as a townread before i even posted, and i could just be missing the entire point of it, but it's not like there's much else to go on atm.

Do you have any reads or comments gained from what little has been posted?
You are being too paranoid. Those reads can't be serious, honestly I just thought he made them up and randomly voted for me. All posting so far IMO has been RVS (specially those from mine). Also if your remember Drezi was scum on Medical Mafia if I remember correctly, if you want to go back to past games.

I would prefer to have imput from all players before making serious voting, don't you think so?
Sakura
Not exactly, people do everything for a reason, even their posts in RVS, come from the information they have by their Role PM, so it's possible to extract information even from RVS posts.
Drezi felt the need to put those 2 ppl as townreads (one which was me when i hadn't even posted) and you as scumread (who hadn't even posted either).
You decide to ignore the fact that this could stem from the possibility of Drezi having some sort of pre-game plan of trying to designate you as a target mislynch, you don't see anything odd with it.

Possible reasons:
- You're scum, so you know that's obviously not the reason.
- You didn't actually bother trying to analyze the post.
- You're just derp.

I'm trying to figure out which of the 3 possible reasons it is, also im trying to figure out why did you decide to stick with your vote on me, instead of moving the more suspicious RVS vote of Drezi after you realized it wasn't a post made by me.

I've already outlined by own reasons by which i think it's probably not a scum tactic, but you didn't even feel a slight bit of need to check what was going in Drezi's mind when he made the reads list? I find that hard to believe.

On the other part of your post, yes i know he was scum in medical mafia, but i don't remember much of what he did in that game, and i wasn't on that game from the start either. All I care about a person's scum game right now is how they perform early game, which is the state at which we currently are at right now.
Sakura
Also i missed the last part of your post.
Yes i'd also like input from the other players, but that doesn't prevent me from interacting and forming reads from what has been posted or from people that are actually here to reply to my questions or interact with them.
Navizel
@Sakura - I agree with your thoughts on Drezi. One for one in day one seems outright stupid. Though maybe you two are scum and then since you dissolved the idea, people won't think you're scum in case Drezi died and flipped scum. Idk, I'm being paranoid too

Mine and SNB's vote are definitely RVS so he's null just like everyone else.

Zexion wrote:

I would prefer to have imput from all players before making serious voting, don't you think so?
It's not really bad to suspect someone even at this part of the game, don't you think so? Besides, not getting reactions from you would be counter-productive as town imo since for town, everyone is a possible mafia. Also, I felt an omgus on your vote. You even /confirmed/ Sakura+Drezi scumteam.

If I recall correctly, Drezi was parroting on Medical Mafia and just waited for someone to vote the other at the end for easy scum win.
Navizel
calling Jess to post something. Saw her posting in forum games a while ago so she should've noticed this thread.
Sakura

Navizel wrote:

Mine and SNB's vote are definitely RVS so he's null just like everyone else
I know yours is, there is literally nothing that can be extracted from your post since it was the very first post.
SNB, while probably nitpicky one could say "Why Ace, why not continue and wagon Drezi for reactions".
And from there you can still deploying a pletora of reasons to start interrogating people and figuring out what they're thinking and discussion starts and RVS ends.
I usually dont put much into account into the early posts, other than "why X instead of Y", but while Drezi's post was amuzing and suspicious, my current pet peeve is why Zexion decided to not question it, heck he even calls me and Drezi a scumteam... then follows it with a "maybe", uncommital, easy to flee if things dont go his way, and not actually trying to read people.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Not exactly, people do everything for a reason, even their posts in RVS, come from the information they have by their Role PM, so it's possible to extract information even from RVS posts.
Drezi felt the need to put those 2 ppl as townreads (one which was me when i hadn't even posted) and you as scumread (who hadn't even posted either).
You decide to ignore the fact that this could stem from the possibility of Drezi having some sort of pre-game plan of trying to designate you as a target mislynch, you don't see anything odd with it.

Possible reasons:
- You're scum, so you know that's obviously not the reason.
- You didn't actually bother trying to analyze the post.
- You're just derp.

I'm trying to figure out which of the 3 possible reasons it is, also im trying to figure out why did you decide to stick with your vote on me, instead of moving the more suspicious RVS vote of Drezi after you realized it wasn't a post made by me.

I've already outlined by own reasons by which i think it's probably not a scum tactic, but you didn't even feel a slight bit of need to check what was going in Drezi's mind when he made the reads list? I find that hard to believe.

On the other part of your post, yes i know he was scum in medical mafia, but i don't remember much of what he did in that game, and i wasn't on that game from the start either. All I care about a person's scum game right now is how they perform early game, which is the state at which we currently are at right now.
Zexion
Ignore that last post, it was my internet trolling me.

Sakura wrote:

Not exactly, people do everything for a reason, even their posts in RVS, come from the information they have by their Role PM, so it's possible to extract information even from RVS posts.
Drezi felt the need to put those 2 ppl as townreads (one which was me when i hadn't even posted) and you as scumread (who hadn't even posted either).
You decide to ignore the fact that this could stem from the possibility of Drezi having some sort of pre-game plan of trying to designate you as a target mislynch, you don't see anything odd with it.

Possible reasons:
- You're scum, so you know that's obviously not the reason.
- You didn't actually bother trying to analyze the post.
- You're just derp.

I'm trying to figure out which of the 3 possible reasons it is, also im trying to figure out why did you decide to stick with your vote on me, instead of moving the more suspicious RVS vote of Drezi after you realized it wasn't a post made by me.

I've already outlined by own reasons by which i think it's probably not a scum tactic, but you didn't even feel a slight bit of need to check what was going in Drezi's mind when he made the reads list? I find that hard to believe.

On the other part of your post, yes i know he was scum in medical mafia, but i don't remember much of what he did in that game, and i wasn't on that game from the start either. All I care about a person's scum game right now is how they perform early game, which is the state at which we currently are at right now.
Because the total opposite is still a posibility: The same way you're analyizing his "reads" two posts after the game started, its the same way he just made them up as a silly excuse for RVS. I did care about putting two people in his "town reads", but then again, why would he put me in the "scum" list?

Also reason two pretty much sums it up. It didn't make sense to overthink that list. The part where I confused you was for a silly joke about the number six, and it was definitely a mistake from my part... I don't know which else to say.

Sakura wrote:

Also i missed the last part of your post.
Yes i'd also like input from the other players, but that doesn't prevent me from interacting and forming reads from what has been posted or from people that are actually here to reply to my questions or interact with them.
Of course it doesn't prevent you, but I would expect more votes in order to make asosiations. When you're missing half the pieces is pretty hard to complete the puzzle, isn't it? My idea there wasn't obviously "You can't think until everyone has posted" but rather "I would like to see how each one interacts before getting my reads".

Sakura wrote:

I usually dont put much into account into the early posts, other than "why X instead of Y", but while Drezi's post was amuzing and suspicious, my current pet peeve is why Zexion decided to not question it, heck he even calls me and Drezi a scumteam... then follows it with a "maybe", uncommital, easy to flee if things dont go his way, and not actually trying to read people.

Because I wouldn't know how to make that assumption this early in the game? You surely don't believe I can make that claim seriously only because two people are voting for me?
Navizel

Sakura wrote:

my current pet peeve is why Zexion decided to not question it, heck he even calls me and Drezi a scumteam... then follows it with a "maybe", uncommital, easy to flee if things dont go his way, and not actually trying to read people.
My thoughts exactly.
I don't know about SNB. I searched his past game and I found Medical Mafia. The first was an RV on Sonatora and SNB voted him too though there were others before his vote so I can't really refer to that. I'm just going to say his vote here is really just an RV.
Sakura
While yeah, im missing most of the picture, if i consider your current posts scummy im going to dig deeper into your thoughts, to try to either solidify that scumread or to see if im wrong and you're actually town, you don't seem to be helping much in that regard. There's something wrong in your thought process. You say you dont have a clear scumread on me, and you're voting me out of entirely RVS reasons. That is valid but... are you just going to sit there looking at the sky with your vote parked until every single person decides to do something Non-RVS-like? Like... you don't even seem to try to sort me out, you ask questions that seem like they might be trying to sort what im dong, yet you're drawing no conclusion from them.

Yeah, i know you probably wouldn't know how to make that assumption in the game, but the way you're drawing the conclusion comes from no more than an OMGUS. "Mommy, mommy they are voting me they must be bad people!", i would assume if you're voting me, for RVS or otherwise you intend to interact with me, and strengthen or cancel your scumread, but i still DONT see you doing anything of the sort with any of the things you're asking me. You haven't even tried to figure out a scum motivation for what i'm doing, you're just sitting there doing nothing while im here, and around, and open to answer questions and interact. You don't seem to be interested in actually sorting people, just because some people are missing doesn't mean you can't interact with someone and find their alignment.

Disclaimer: However that's more over my playstyle since i get reads from interaction much more than just reading what people do, while is a starting point, i usually get stronger reads from interaction, and while this is my playstyle, it may not be something you're used to, but i still see you... doing... NOTHING, with the questions you're asking.
Sakura

Navizel wrote:

I don't know about SNB. I searched his past game and I found Medical Mafia. The first was an RV on Sonatora and SNB voted him too though there were others before his vote so I can't really refer to that. I'm just going to say his vote here is really just an RV.
I was just explaining how you can generate discussion even from the 2nd post. Of course not many like to do wagons from RVS, while i think they are a good way to get reactions, others may disagree. This is a newbie game and i'm trying to teach while also playing the game.
Topic Starter
Amianki
Vote Count 1.02


[2] Zexion -- Drezi, Sakura
[1] Ace Timing -- Static Noise Bird
[1] Drezi -- Navizel
[1] Sakura -- Zexion
[0] -[Jess]- --
[0] Hika --
[0] Navizel --
[0] sLaiNi --
[0] Static Noise Bird --



[0] No Lynch -
Not Voting -- -[Jess]-, Ace Timing, Hika, sLaiNi

With 9 alive, it's 5 to lynch.

Deadline is July 3 at 3:30PM CST (GMT-6).
Sakura
Basically i see Zexion so far as being... Reactive, even from his RVS post, to him calling the possible scumteam, to his replies to me, which some include questions with barely any follow up or conclusion.

Of course, i do admit that without everyone else here, it's only goint to stay a null-scum read and seeing how he plays with other people interacting with him, but i feel very comfortable with leaving my vote there for the time being.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

While yeah, im missing most of the picture, if i consider your current posts scummy im going to dig deeper into your thoughts, to try to either solidify that scumread or to see if im wrong and you're actually town, you don't seem to be helping much in that regard. There's something wrong in your thought process. You say you dont have a clear scumread on me, and you're voting me out of entirely RVS reasons. That is valid but... are you just going to sit there looking at the sky with your vote parked until every single person decides to do something Non-RVS-like? Like... you don't even seem to try to sort me out, you ask questions that seem like they might be trying to sort what im dong, yet you're drawing no conclusion from them.

Yeah, i know you probably wouldn't know how to make that assumption in the game, but the way you're drawing the conclusion comes from no more than an OMGUS. "Mommy, mommy they are voting me they must be bad people!", i would assume if you're voting me, for RVS or otherwise you intend to interact with me, and strengthen or cancel your scumread, but i still DONT see you doing anything of the sort with any of the things you're asking me. You haven't even tried to figure out a scum motivation for what i'm doing, you're just sitting there doing nothing while im here, and around, and open to answer questions and interact. You don't seem to be interested in actually sorting people, just because some people are missing doesn't mean you can't interact with someone and find their alignment.

Disclaimer: However that's more over my playstyle since i get reads from interaction much more than just reading what people do, while is a starting point, i usually get stronger reads from interaction, and while this is my playstyle, it may not be something you're used to, but i still see you... doing... NOTHING, with the questions you're asking.
Isn't that exactly the same vote you made after I voted you? I hardly find that my vote and post sucks so much since you did pretty much the same. Also why the heck are you so worried about having a vote on yourself, afraid we may wagon and lynch you in 5 minutes? Or you must mantain a clean obvtown status with no suspicion around you?

Sure, if you want me to talk and do something about the game then have a look at Navizel: all his posts have been "yeah I agree with Sakura in this and this" and you're not saying anything about that. (Save the part when he looked for Sonatora's and Drezi earlyplay, but that was because I mentioned Medical Mafia)

SNB I can't seriously read anything with a single post.

Drezi made up that list. I see no reason for me being on scum and you and SNB being town, heck, I would have believed it more if it was Navizel and SNB because those two posted before him. You being on his "town-reads" leads me to believe it was pure randomness.

BTW, I concede and agree I should leave this passive play and make my own moves.
Sakura
Yes, I made an OMGUS vote, then you turned around and OMGUS'd Drezi too, with again as mentioned before an uncommital read. Your vote doesnt scare me, i'm just wondering why the fuck you're doing nothing with it, because my view of a town person would be trying to decipher is if im town or not, not just sit there and do nothing and hope the world falls on me.

Since you bring up Navizel, one thing i've noticed is that he's... playing differently from what I remember, Instead of resorting to one-liners he seems to be actually trying to express his thoughts. This is entirely different from what I remember from either alignment of Navizel and im just thinking it might be an improvement in playstyle.
The "Yeah I agree" comes backed up, so i didnt pay it much mind, do you disagree? if so why?.

The SNB thing was just an example of how you can generate discussion even from the 2nd post of the thread u.u

Yeah i agree it was probably pure randomness, and i've already stated as such and why, so why did you feel the need to mention it again?
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Yes, I made an OMGUS vote, then you turned around and OMGUS'd Drezi too, with again as mentioned before an uncommital read. Your vote doesnt scare me, i'm just wondering why the fuck you're doing nothing with it, because my view of a town person would be trying to decipher is if im town or not, not just sit there and do nothing and hope the world falls on me.

Since you bring up Navizel, one thing i've noticed is that he's... playing differently from what I remember, Instead of resorting to one-liners he seems to be actually trying to express his thoughts. This is entirely different from what I remember from either alignment of Navizel and im just thinking it might be an improvement in playstyle.
The "Yeah I agree" comes backed up, so i didnt pay it much mind, do you disagree? if so why?.

The SNB thing was just an example of how you can generate discussion even from the 2nd post of the thread u.u

Yeah i agree it was probably pure randomness, and i've already stated as such and why, so why did you feel the need to mention it again?
And me trying to figure out whether you're town or not involves me leaving that vote there for the moment. Because as I've said that's the best place it can be at the moment, while the other 4 people say something.

Oh, so now agreeing to everything other person says and playing passively (i.e. following other players ideas and being reactive just like I was) is an improvement on playstyle? Are you serious? I remember doing the same (with the "backed up" part) and ended up accused for parroting. Silly that you find there's nothing wrong with that.

Okay e.e

I brought Drezi again because I was mentioning every player that has posted so far. Nothing more to say.
Sakura
Also since you're obviously reading Navizel's posts, to notice he's agreeing with me what do you think of this:

Navizel wrote:

calling Jess to post something. Saw her posting in forum games a while ago so she should've noticed this thread.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Also since you're obviously reading Navizel's posts, to notice he's agreeing with me what do you think of this:

Navizel wrote:

calling Jess to post something. Saw her posting in forum games a while ago so she should've noticed this thread.
It tells me nothing at all and keeps with the same attitude. Gameplay-wise is a totally irrelevant line. (i.e. there was no need to mention that)
Zexion
By gameplay-wise I meant "if we are talking about contributing to the game", sorry if you didn't get the idea, that wasn't a good way to word it. :o
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

Sakura wrote:

Yes, I made an OMGUS vote, then you turned around and OMGUS'd Drezi too, with again as mentioned before an uncommital read. Your vote doesnt scare me, i'm just wondering why the fuck you're doing nothing with it, because my view of a town person would be trying to decipher is if im town or not, not just sit there and do nothing and hope the world falls on me.

Since you bring up Navizel, one thing i've noticed is that he's... playing differently from what I remember, Instead of resorting to one-liners he seems to be actually trying to express his thoughts. This is entirely different from what I remember from either alignment of Navizel and im just thinking it might be an improvement in playstyle.
The "Yeah I agree" comes backed up, so i didnt pay it much mind, do you disagree? if so why?.

The SNB thing was just an example of how you can generate discussion even from the 2nd post of the thread u.u

Yeah i agree it was probably pure randomness, and i've already stated as such and why, so why did you feel the need to mention it again?
And me trying to figure out whether you're town or not involves me leaving that vote there for the moment. Because as I've said that's the best place it can be at the moment, while the other 4 people say something.

Oh, so now agreeing to everything other person says and playing passively (i.e. following other players ideas and being reactive just like I was) is an improvement on playstyle? Are you serious? I remember doing the same (with the "backed up" part) and ended up accused for parroting. Silly that you find there's nothing wrong with that.

Okay e.e

I brought Drezi again because I was mentioning every player that has posted so far. Nothing more to say.
It's still kinda early to call something like that parroting, besides he directly quoted my post and said that it was his thoughts exactly, parroting is different, unless you think you shouldn't agree with what other player says?
Parroting is when you contribute nothing to the thread other than what's already been said by someone else, but in this case, do you think there was something else he could've contributed to it? OH SUPRISE! he did, he talked about Jess, so no, it's not parroting, he agrees with my stance re-you.

So basically trying to figure out whether im town or not involves voting me... and... doing nothing else? or did you expect to magically divine your alignment like a day cop when other people started posting.
Sakura

Zexion wrote:

It tells me nothing at all and keeps with the same attitude. Gameplay-wise is a totally irrelevant line. (i.e. there was no need to mention that)
Do you think there might be any compelling and alignment indicative reason for Jess not posting here?
If it's an irrelevant line, in addition to your assesment of Navi's "parroting" what does that tell you about his alignment?

Ok maybe im just kinda mad that no one's doing anything after a few hours of no one being around at all u.u
Sakura
Bah, whatever, the tone and stances on Zexion's words, seems he firmly believes this is the best way to go for him, so i'll just look somewhere else.
Unvote
Vote: Navizel

1) Why did you think it was relevant to say that Jess was posting in forum games, but not here? Do you think she's purposefully dodging the thread when the day only started a few hours ago?
2) If you agree with my stance re-zexion what do you think of his later posting and his explanation of his uncommital scumteam post? We've been discussing for a while, if you agree with me, you certainly have something to comment in everything that's been said, yet you didn't say anything.
Navizel
Calling for Jess just means I want her to post and contribute something to the game. I didn't call on everyone else because I checked their history and they weren't online when the game started. However, Jess was.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

It's still kinda early to call something like that parroting, besides he directly quoted my post and said that it was his thoughts exactly, parroting is different, unless you think you shouldn't agree with what other player says?
Parroting is when you contribute nothing to the thread other than what's already been said by someone else, but in this case, do you think there was something else he could've contributed to it? OH SUPRISE! he did, he talked about Jess, so no, it's not parroting, he agrees with my stance re-you.

So basically trying to figure out whether im town or not involves voting me... and... doing nothing else? or did you expect to magically divine your alignment like a day cop when other people started posting.
Let's go a bit more in depth then:

Navizel wrote:

Sakura wrote:

my current pet peeve is why Zexion decided to not question it, heck he even calls me and Drezi a scumteam... then follows it with a "maybe", uncommital, easy to flee if things dont go his way, and not actually trying to read people.
My thoughts exactly.
I don't know about SNB. I searched his past game and I found Medical Mafia. The first was an RV on Sonatora and SNB voted him too though there were others before his vote so I can't really refer to that. I'm just going to say his vote here is really just an RV.
OH WHAT A GREAT CONTRIBUTION TO THE IDEA. I can see a big way to contribute with this: by voting. But yet he didn't. The other lines are about the earlyplays I commented before.

The other contribution to the idea he'd agreed on was pretty meh. Stating the obvious and seriously, how could I have /confirmed/ a scumteam by just two people voting me? (But we talked about this)

I don't expect magic. I expect conversation, reactions and overall contributing to the game.
Sakura

Navizel wrote:

Calling for Jess just means I want her to post and contribute something to the game. I didn't call on everyone else because I checked their history and they weren't online when the game started. However, Jess was.
Was online when the game started or... was online when you called her.
Sakura
Idk, im just finding it kinda odd that you decided to call Jess of all people that haven't posted.
Sakura
Also @Zexion, you really need to re-read on what's Parroting. What else could have Navizel commented other than what he had already commented on a.k.a, the Drezi reads list and our discussion.
Sakura
Although you do raise a good point about the voting, but i thought it makes sense since i thought he also finds Drezi suspicious. I'm gonna re-look at Navi brb.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Zexion wrote:

It tells me nothing at all and keeps with the same attitude. Gameplay-wise is a totally irrelevant line. (i.e. there was no need to mention that)
Do you think there might be any compelling and alignment indicative reason for Jess not posting here?
If it's an irrelevant line, in addition to your assesment of Navi's "parroting" what does that tell you about his alignment?

Ok maybe im just kinda mad that no one's doing anything after a few hours of no one being around at all u.u
I think we all can agree lurking is more like a scum-tell. But Navizel simply stated something a player should do. As I said before, its a game irrelevant line: he could have done the same without saying it.

Sakura wrote:

Bah, whatever, the tone and stances on Zexion's words, seems he firmly believes this is the best way to go for him, so i'll just look somewhere else.
Let me just put my ideas to test. If it doesn't work or something else that deserves my attention happens, I'll change my vote.

Right now I share your madness about no one else posting u.u
Sakura

Navizel wrote:

Where are the others

I feel like Drezi's reads are just for rvs therefore insignificant. If it's not, I would like to know the reasons as well. He ignored my vote too. (it's an rv but still)

and unicorns aren't real :< [spoiler]I wish they are[/color]
^
@Zexion.
Navizel

Sakura wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Calling for Jess just means I want her to post and contribute something to the game. I didn't call on everyone else because I checked their history and they weren't online when the game started. However, Jess was.
Was online when the game started or... was online when you called her.
I think it's when there weren't any posts that I decided to check everyone's post history and see if there are people who were online but didn't post anything to this thread. Then I saw her posted something in forum games. I didn't really see her online the exact time she posted. So basically I called her during the game and after she posted something.
Sakura
Yeah, I just checked and her last post was somewhere around 2 hours ago.
It doesnt show that she's currently online tho.

Possible Reasons:
- She had limited time so decided to just post something in a forum game rather than an RV here.
- She's scum avoiding the thread <- Very unlikely imo, what motivation would there be for a scum to avoid the thread at this point, besides any newb scum would've beetlejuiced by now.
- ? Can't think of others.
Zexion

Sakura wrote:

Navizel wrote:

Where are the others

I feel like Drezi's reads are just for rvs therefore insignificant. If it's not, I would like to know the reasons as well. He ignored my vote too. (it's an rv but still)

and unicorns aren't real :< [spoiler]I wish they are[/color]
^
@Zexion.
Hmmm... That's the same quick conclusion I got from the list. But I guess that's the reason Drezi didn't include him in his "town reads". You didn't say anything about me yet so there was no way to agree on something.

Sakura wrote:

Yeah, I just checked and her last post was somewhere around 2 hours ago.
It doesnt show that she's currently online tho.

Possible Reasons:
- She had limited time so decided to just post something in a forum game rather than an RV here.
- She's scum avoiding the thread <- Very unlikely imo, what motivation would there be for a scum to avoid the thread at this point, besides any newb scum would've beetlejuiced by now.
- ? Can't think of others.
Limited time to put a RV? How is that even possible? Maybe she just missed the game starting and left.
Sakura
That's also possible, if you look at her post history, she was actively posting at 10 hours ago, which is also when she confirmed, then just made a short post saying aru~ in a random forum game, and she's no longer online. So it's quite likely she didn't want to bother or didn't even check the mafia forum. Forgot about that.
Sakura
So yeah i still dont know why Navi decided to call attention to that.
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