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nrl

Woobowiz wrote:

Whelp......that just happened
It's sickening how saturated that scoreboard is.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

It's sickening how saturated that scoreboard is.
Huh?
nrl
So many 99+% HDDT scores.
winber1
join the club
Vuelo Eluko
update me on your profile im not bassist vinyl anymore
why im not bolded? i made the first reply in this thread!
nrl
rekt

also you should've stayed in multi yesterday we could've had happy fun times it made me sad :(
Vuelo Eluko
no i wasnt warmed up
i dont feel like playing not warmed up in front of someone i have to see every day
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Riince wrote:

update me on your profile
Done

tokaku
At this rate you're just farming, not actually trying to be good.
Soarezi
BUT RANK = SKILL!111!11!
xGx
Those are some nice scores you've gotten lately, keep going. :]
tokaku

Soarezi wrote:

BUT RANK = SKILL!111!11!
False XdDDDDDDDDDDD
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

tokaku wrote:

At this rate you're just farming, not actually trying to be good.
I'm sorry that getting at least 1 200pp score everyday immediately after training doesn't satisfy your definition of "actually trying to be good".

You're right, I'm probably still not that good, but please let me have my moment of glory with these top plays....
Top Bunk

tokaku wrote:

At this rate you're just farming, not actually trying to be good.
Playing more always increases skill regardless. Rank may not be a direct indicator of skill, but even in the sense of "farming", you're still working on and progressing with your skills. So I simply don't understand why anyone would complain about it.

Plus it's kinda rude to just call out on it like that when the person in question has worked rather hard thus far and still has been making plenty of progress. I'm rather envious of Woobowiz's devotion.
[-Cloud-]
Attentionwhoring brings negative shitstorming by people. He has to deal with it.
tokaku

SlasherZX wrote:

tokaku wrote:

At this rate you're just farming, not actually trying to be good.
Playing more always increases skill regardless. Rank may not be a direct indicator of skill, but even in the sense of "farming", you're still working on and progressing with your skills. So I simply don't understand why anyone would complain about it.

Plus it's kinda rude to just call out on it like that when the person in question has worked rather hard thus far and still has been making plenty of progress. I'm rather envious of Woobowiz's devotion.
He's farming ranks. What I mean is, is he actually trying to reach Cookiezi tier or just Cookiezi's rank? And I think it's long enough that he's been practicing DT. If he continues like this it feels like he's just getting the pleasure out of ranks. Yes it is true that playing more = getting better. But if all of these scores are so easily obtained now? Doesn't it mean he has to move on to harder things that isn't just DT? Playing easy songs all day won't make me any better, but wait! MORE PLAY IS BETTER SKILLZ!1!

tl;dr try to play nomod for a change
Vuelo Eluko
i second that, im still waiting for astrosexy fc
im not sure what his training involves but if its nothing high bpm ar10 or dt stuffs i worry were going to hit happystick tier instead
i like happystick better than cookiezi anyway
Soarezi

Riince wrote:

i second that, im still waiting for astrosexy fc
im not sure what his training involves but if its nothing high bpm ar10 or dt stuffs i worry were going to hit happystick tier instead
i like happystick better than cookiezi anyway
Kynan* happystick can actually play lower AR
Vuelo Eluko

Soarezi wrote:

Riince wrote:

i second that, im still waiting for astrosexy fc
im not sure what his training involves but if its nothing high bpm ar10 or dt stuffs i worry were going to hit happystick tier instead
i like happystick better than cookiezi anyway
Kynan* happystick can actually play lower AR
depends what you mean by low. happystick has said in a certain #spect that he needs hard rock or he cant hardly play lesjuh's dragonforce maps without failing.
silmarilen
happystick is better at EZ than me.
very few people can properly play lesjuh's dragonforce maps
Soarezi

silmarilen wrote:

happystick is better at EZ than me.
very few people can properly play lesjuh's dragonforce maps
Cookiezi tier includes FCing dragonforce maps with less than 10 100's
silmarilen
you forgot the part where he hdhr'd one of them
nrl

Woobowiz wrote:

I'm sorry that getting at least 1 200pp score everyday immediately after training doesn't satisfy your definition of "actually trying to be good".

You're right, I'm probably still not that good, but please let me have my moment of glory with these top plays....
Your plays are good, but they're not impressive given how high you're shooting for. You want glory? Rank on maps with only a handful of mod plays. Get some crazy HR scores on high CS maps. DT something that shouldn't be DT-able.

Do something people can't do.
silmarilen
he is only just getting into the 200pp scores, give him some time.
x_Co0ki420ezi_x
Getting so happy for a 200pp score when there are players who shit out ~400pp plays daily while still being miles from cookiezi's actual skill level is funny.
ivan

thedamntrain wrote:

Getting so happy for a 200pp score when there are players who shit out ~400pp plays daily while still being miles from cookiezi's actual skill level is funny.
l00000l rekt
f i z i k

thedamntrain wrote:

Getting so happy for a 200pp score when there are players who shit out ~400pp plays daily while still being miles from cookiezi's actual skill level is funny.
holy shit dude you have so much hate in you hahaha
although I have to admit,that last post made me chuckle at the very least
Cheese

f i z i k wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

Getting so happy for a 200pp score when there are players who shit out ~400pp plays daily while still being miles from cookiezi's actual skill level is funny.
holy shit dude you have so much hate in you hahaha
although I have to admit,that last post made me chuckle at the very least
Stating the truth = so much hate. dafuq?!
Varetyr
You guys do realize he's been here for only 6 months, right ?
Basically, what silmarilen said.


Now @Woob, it's easy to see some people's points though, the thing is... you've already proven that you were able to DT stuff, and that's cool. But your top ranks is just filled of DTs and almost nothing else. (the only non-DT score that currently gives you some PP is your FC on lagomorphic)

This is far from being "normal", and even farther from looking like someone actually trying to become the next Cookiezi.
For example, here's a tiny list of maps that give around 200pp for a (decent) nomod FC :
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/164020?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/150837?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/195305?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/74684?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/341891?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/146985?m=0
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/54618 (really high acc required on this one, but the rhythm isn't too intense, good training imo)

As you can see, this is pretty much the kind of FCs people want you to perform, too. Heck, even 190ish FCs would be reassuring. We now are at a point where we're not even sure if you can FC stuff like Remote Control (or not), or just don't bother trying because it "won't give enough pp" anyway. Basically, in the end it just looks like another DT farmer, and people don't want to wait until you'll "hit a wall" to finally play other modes. It's not even sure you'll hit one at all in the end, you might just become another godlike DT player that will most likely never stop to improve at this rate, but that's nowhere near Cookiezi's versatility, right :/

(I didn't even talk about mods yet, I'm not expecting you to randomly pop 200pp scores on mods you """barely""" played, but you should consider play some HR / HD / HDHR someday. At the very least, HR, it's like the main signature of Cookiezi, the proof that your both your aim + acc are getting good)
Pacemaker

Cheese wrote:

Stating the truth = so much hate. dafuq?!
What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.

Seriously, the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding, really a place for people who don't know shit about this game to come up and go "lol no hdhrdt 500 pp scores yet wtf xDDDD". If you think his progression of skill is slow, then you're a dumbass - for what he's been playing with, his progress is really good. The only big thing that's validly questionable is if the final result is really a new Cookiezi, mainly because Cookiezi's approach at this game was entirely different. When he started, he mostly played nomod and HD, and he right away had low AR reading (which was normal at the time, but nowadays it's an important component of skill many players lack). Woobowiz needs to focus on reading and patterns a little more, and I personally don't think it's impossible to do it all later on.
1319

Pacemaker wrote:

Woobowiz needs to focus on reading and patterns a little more, and I personally don't think it's impossible to do it all later on.
this is incredibly true

a way that i learned to read patterns is play with numberless hitcircles and no followpoints, combined with HD
for some reason that worked
Rewben2

Pacemaker wrote:

What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
What?


I don't get all the people saying he needs to practice nomod/hr/whatever and that he should stay away from dt because it's all he does, or that he needs to prove that he can play nomod by setting scores. Like Shiro said a while back, dt is good for improvement. He's still far away from Cookiezi-status, he needs to train everything (reading, aim, speed, accuracy), so why does it matter what order he does it in? Dt will help you improve your aim/speed faster than nomod would in most cases, it seems more beneficial for reaching his goal. If anything, he should get edited versions of songs that are high bpm and still challenge aim/speed while also being ar9.

The only benefit that nomod offers compared to dt is that it's harder to read and the patterns generally differ more. As the above posters said, these can be learned more later on. I think that the aim/speed/acc component of reaching Cookiezi status is much harder than the reading aspect.
nrl
DT doesn't train reading or aim or accuracy anywhere near as well as HR, plain and simple. DTable maps are far less complex and far less forgiving than no-mod or HR maps of similar star rating. While it's true all of that can be compensated for later, why wouldn't it be preferable to learn fundamentals first and build speed up later?

Pacemaker wrote:

and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
2k and up is a bit too large a range to be called "the best players in the game," don't you think?
tokaku

Pacemaker wrote:

What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
Time has nothing to do with skill. It's the amount of plays. Someone who has played for 2 years with the same playcount should be at the same level as he is.
Rewben2

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

DT doesn't train reading or aim or accuracy anywhere near as well as HR, plain and simple. DTable maps are far less complex and far less forgiving than no-mod or HR maps of similar star rating. While it's true all of that can be compensated for later, why wouldn't it be preferable to learn fundamentals first and build speed up later?
Eh, it may train aim as well. HR has smaller circles but dt has bigger/faster jumps in some cases, it goes either way. Accuracy is true, but dt obviously still helps. HR is better for reading except that it's ar10 which may make you "unlearn" ar9 faster than if you were playing ar8+dt, probably not though.

The part about compensating later is questionable. I agree, building fundamentals (the more important parts) and then building up the less important aspects later on is a good way to go. The thing is, isn't speed part of one of the fundamentals? As I said in my other post, I believe the speed aspect is much harder to obtain than the reading aspect.
nrl
I understand the sentiment, but I don't think it's right to think of speed (or stamina) as you would aim, accuracy, or reading since it doesn't really interact with them in the same way they interact with each other. That is to say, speed is generally as simple as turning a knob; all your motions are foundationally identical, you just do them a bit faster.

The other three skills aren't so straightforward in how they interact with each other. Aim is the reliability of your muscle memory to hit an arbitrary location on the screen with your cursor, but without proper reading you won't know where that location is, and without proper hand synchronization you won't click while your cursor is over the note. Accuracy is your ability to synchronize your tapping hand with musical time (hand synchronization is a derivation of this), but again, that ability means nothing if you don't know when and where to click. Reading is your ability to translate osu!'s visual information into muscle movements, but ... etc.

What is speed, then? You could make an argument for speed representing raw movement potential, but I think you'd have a hell of a time explaining and justifying so slippery a concept, so I'd posit that speed is just the ability to do all three of the other skills faster, and that should make the divide fairly obvious. It's both the most fundamental and least fundamental skill.

EDIT: Before we start delving into what is and isn't fundamental and how the various skills interact, it's worth mentioning that aim, accuracy, speed, and reading aren't even foundational; they're the result of interactions between much more basic motor skills like muscle memory, muscle control, hand independence, etc., which can also be broken down further. A huge number of simplifications are made on this topic for the sake of casual conversation, and it doesn't help that the new difficulty calculations throw these sorts of words around despite using them in very different contexts than this sort of discussion would. So... tread with care.
Rewben2
I agree with what you said, speed is really just doing stuff faster in essence. You need to have reading in order to aim and you need to have aim in order to tap on the note, which ties in with accuracy. Speed is just doing all of this quickly, really.

The way I like to see it as is that there's a bunch of skills needed to be "Cookiezi status". For simplicity, the skills are divided into speed/aim/acc/reading because it's quite easy to define these skills and everyone knows what they are. You will eventually have to play dt to reach the speed aspect, also the reading aspect (ar10.3). You will also eventually have to play nomod to be able to read as good as Cookiezi, which includes ar8. Aim and accuracy can come from playing either dt/nomod/hr but are probably best improved by playing hr. In the end, everything will need to be practised, so does it really matter what order it's in?

I don't think the order is too important. As long as he does eventually practise everything and doesn't just play dt forever, lol.
nrl
Sure, I just think it's easier to learn how to do things first then work on doing them faster rather than perfecting a few things then trying to learn more.
[-Cloud-]

Pacemaker wrote:

Cheese wrote:

Stating the truth = so much hate. dafuq?!
The only big thing that's validly questionable is if the final result is really a new Cookiezi, mainly because Cookiezi's approach at this game was entirely different. When he started, he mostly played nomod and HD, and he right away had low AR reading (which was normal at the time, but nowadays it's an important component of skill many players lack). Woobowiz needs to focus on reading and patterns a little more, and I personally don't think it's impossible to do it all later on.
I couldn't agree more. cookie had 4 years to learn every aspect of the game with different standards compared to nowadays. When woobwoob would play some AR7 nonmod DjPop maps or really old maps, people would probably start hating, that he needs to challenge himself with speed or higher ar. So no matter what he does, bitches always gonna bitch.



This thread should still getting closed tho
Noobsicle

[-Cloud-] wrote:

This thread should still getting closed tho
what's the point of locking it? it already has 89 pages and people are eager to see woobowiz's progression. it's not like anything new is discussed in G&R anyways. unlike the other blog-like threads that have died or are dying atm, this one's still active
Vuelo Eluko
Noobsicle, when have you seen a German poster not being a douche canoe?
just leave it
[-Cloud-]

Noobsicle wrote:

[-Cloud-] wrote:

This thread should still getting closed tho
what's the point of locking it? it already has 89 pages and people are eager to see woobowiz's progression. it's not like anything new is discussed in G&R anyways. unlike the other blog-like threads that have died or are dying atm, this one's still active
Because it's nothign different to Threads like "Oh look my video, I did that run" and "Am I good enough for my rank". It's attentionwhoring and besides that, people here are doing nothing but bitching about eachother or shitposting (Atleast you see this more than constructive discussions).


Riince wrote:

Noobsicle, when have you seen a German poster not being a douche canoe?
just leave it
Because I think this thread is pretty much unnecessary, I'm a douche? Get real. I'm just stating my opinion. And with your comment about germans you're more rude and douche than me.
Rewben2

[-Cloud-] wrote:

This thread should still getting closed tho
Don't click on it if you don't want to read about it lol. It's something different and a lot of people like seeing his progress.
[-Cloud-]

Rewben2 wrote:

[-Cloud-] wrote:

This thread should still getting closed tho
Don't click on it if you don't want to read about it lol. It's something different and a lot of people like seeing his progress.
Nah. A thread like this shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion. And I'm not that kind of guy who keeps his mouth shut and looks away.
FlyingKebab

tokaku wrote:

Pacemaker wrote:

What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
Time has nothing to do with skill. It's the amount of plays. Someone who has played for 2 years with the same playcount should be at the same level as he is.
NarrillNezzurh has half the plays of Woobowiz and he is 1.1K rank. Your argument is invalid. On top of that his scores are HDHR scores. Much Swag, Very impressive, so Skill.
Noobsicle

[-Cloud-] wrote:

Nah. A thread like this shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion. And I'm not that kind of guy who keeps his mouth shut and looks away.

it fits the criteria dood
and you're 89 pages too late lol
edit: 90*
edit2: woooooooahhhhhhhh 1337 posts in this thread grats!!
[-Cloud-]
It's still a forum, not a blog. It would be cool, if ppy would creat a section for this.
Duckk_old

tokaku wrote:

Pacemaker wrote:

What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
Time has nothing to do with skill. It's the amount of plays. Someone who has played for 2 years with the same playcount should be at the same level as he is.
that's also wrong, many people have 3x plays of other players yet less experience *aka playing maps to 100% or fc, so retrying right away etc.
Pacemaker
Sorry about people misunderstanding the first line of my post, I was referring to this

thedamntrain wrote:

Getting so happy for a 200pp score when there are players who shit out ~400pp plays daily while still being miles from cookiezi's actual skill level is funny.

[-Cloud-] wrote:

attentionwhoring
Starting a project and showing others your progress = Attentionwhoring ? Stop using words you don't know the meaning of, pls.
RaneFire

tokaku wrote:

Pacemaker wrote:

What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.
Time has nothing to do with skill. It's the amount of plays. Someone who has played for 2 years with the same playcount should be at the same level as he is.

Duckk wrote:

that's also wrong, many people have 3x plays of other players yet less experience *aka playing maps to 100% or fc, so retrying right away etc.
Neither one is entirely accurate. They're statistics.

"There are lies, damned lies, and statistics."
[-Cloud-]

Pacemaker wrote:

[-Cloud-] wrote:

attentionwhoring
Starting a project and showing others your progress = Attentionwhoring ? Stop using words you don't know the meaning of, pls.
He stated, that he also did this thread for his ego. Did you even read the thread?

w/e
Pacemaker

[-Cloud-] wrote:

He stated, that he also did this thread for his ego.
That's what most people do who start big projects, what exactly is unusual about that? Your definiton of attentionwhoring is still wrong
Noobsicle
that's still not attention whoring
i mean where's all the oppai at
Cheese

Pacemaker wrote:

Cheese wrote:

Stating the truth = so much hate. dafuq?!
What truth, he's been playing for 6 months and he's being compared to the best players in the game.

Seriously, the amount of retardation in this thread is astounding, really a place for people who don't know shit about this game to come up and go "lol no hdhrdt 500 pp scores yet wtf xDDDD". If you think his progression of skill is slow, then you're a dumbass - for what he's been playing with, his progress is really good. The only big thing that's validly questionable is if the final result is really a new Cookiezi, mainly because Cookiezi's approach at this game was entirely different. When he started, he mostly played nomod and HD, and he right away had low AR reading (which was normal at the time, but nowadays it's an important component of skill many players lack). Woobowiz needs to focus on reading and patterns a little more, and I personally don't think it's impossible to do it all later on.
6 month or 3 years it doesnt matter its about if you play alot or not. And i never said he was progressng slow? Anyway if he wants to keep lying to himself its fine i guess.
[-Cloud-]

Pacemaker wrote:

[-Cloud-] wrote:

He stated, that he also did this thread for his ego.
That's what most people do who start big projects, what exactly is unusual about that? Your definiton of attentionwhoring is still wrong
When people admit that they're doing it (also) for the attention it begins to be attentionwhoring. Atleast for me.
People are different.
Cheese
NarrillNezzurh has half the plays of Woobowiz and he is 1.1K rank. Your argument is invalid. On top of that his scores are HDHR scores. Much Swag, Very impressive, so Skill.
Its about hit.
x_Co0ki420ezi_x
What's more impressive about getting top 1k with 15k plays is the amount of autism in your brain required to play like that. I can imagine these people losing sleep over their playcount/rank ratio.
Cheese

thedamntrain wrote:

What's more impressive about getting top 1k with 15k plays is the amount of autism in your brain required to play like that. I can imagine these people losing sleep over their playcount/rank ratio.
I like you
Vuelo Eluko

[-Cloud-] wrote:

Nah. A thread like this shouldn't be tolerated in my opinion. And I'm not that kind of guy who keeps his mouth shut and looks away.
you heard it here first folks, if he doesn't like it, it needs to be gone, because not clicking a thread is so hard!

hey that sounds like the main argument against gay rights
alxnr

[-Cloud-] wrote:

It's still a forum, not a blog. It would be cool, if ppy would creat a section for this.
You can request it : https://osu.ppy.sh/forum/4
Granger

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

thedamntrain wrote:

autism
You've misspelled "skill."
Since when is playing a metric fuck ton each day skill?
nrl
It isn't.
FlyingKebab
The only thing going for the guy is Play Time to Rank now. Cut him some slack, you can't really change the speed at which you get better, it is kind of a set thing. Those who improve tons in small amounts of plays are lucky to have such a trait others either think or are actually improving at slower rate by virtue( *cough* Lewa *cough*) (I think that word has the opposite meaning but whatevs).
Cheese

FlyingKebab wrote:

The only thing going for the guy is Play Time to Rank now. Cut him some slack, you can't really change the speed at which you get better, it is kind of a set thing. Those who improve tons in small amounts of plays are lucky to have such a trait others ( *cough* Lewa *cough*) either think or are actually improving at slower rate by virtue (I think that word has the opposite meaning but whatevs).
Did you just say that Lewa is improving fast?
Holorin
This thread is full of shitposting now ....
You got 3 and a half years to TRY to reach Cookiezi's level Woob. And keep going at it ;)
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Oppai Neko wrote:

This thread is full of shitposting now ....
You got 3 and a half years to TRY to reach Cookiezi's level Woob. And keep goint at it ;)
Meh, I'm over it. And thanks, I definitely will try

Cheese
Can you do some HDHR plays
Soarezi
Told you, he'll give up because it's not mentally nor physically possible
Riox-
I think he means that he's over the shitposting and is just focusing on playing the game. First time posting here but good job!

It only seemed like six months ago that our little boy has left his nest and decided to roam the world in search of the beloved Cokesai skill.
Now he's all grown up and ready to face the world. ;-;
Kappa

EDIT: But seriously, keep doing what you're doing. You've got a lot of people supporting you throughout your osu journey :D
Soarezi
I was predicting the future, he will give up because he'll realize that he will not reach his level, ever, not with that DT farming
x_Co0ki420ezi_x
pp = skill guise
Holorin
Ah when do you stream osu!?
Cause I like to see your practice session but I don't know the time. And when I'm online the line in your signature always says Offline :(
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Oppai Neko wrote:

Ah when do you stream osu!?
Cause I like to see your practice session but I don't know the time. And when I'm online the line in your signature always says Offline :(
I only really stream when I practice/train and I won't really be doing much of that until I hit 4k pp. But when that happens, you can be sure that I'll be streaming Friday to Sunday around the morning in my time ( like 9:30 AM EDT )
Tamako Lumisade
Speed without the fundamentals is a dead speed.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Husky wrote:

Speed without the fundamentals is a dead speed.
I wonder why everyone is saying I lack basics?
Zare
They're desperately searching for something to complain about to make themselves feel better.
Unfortunately, this gets harder as you progress because you're doing stupidly well, so the reasons for complaining become more and more groundless and abstract.
Tamako Lumisade

Zare wrote:

They're desperately searching for something to complain about to make themselves feel better.
Unfortunately, this gets harder as you progress because you're doing stupidly well, so the reasons for complaining become more and more groundless and abstract.
Hello fanboy

And people like you are desperately searching for something against the others' opinion. I've just given him an advice to focus more on precision and reading skills. His unjustified hate for Skystar maps proves that very well. By playing DT he won't be Cookiezi. If he really aims into it, he really should train reading more, HR, HD, HDHR, nomod, precision, playing small CS, low ARs, high ARs and everything. Cookiezi hasn't got any weakness. Why? Because he was a miracle child, who came to our world with a tablet in his hand? No. He overcame them. He fought with it. You have forgotten, the game consists on clicking circles into the rhytm of the song, not "Click as fast as possible".

Woobie doesn't like SS maps. So what does he do? He avoids them. That's not the way it is. And it's just a top of a mountain. And 358 plays of Farmoro Koigoro? Memorizing the map does not increase the skill.

Remember kids, a constructive criticism is much more better than warm words of encouragement.
nrl
It's not that people are saying you lack basics, DT is more than doable with basics. Rather, people are saying that all you have are basics, and they say that because you haven't shown anything exceptional other than speed. Some decent HR plays will remedy this.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Husky wrote:

His unjustified hate for Skystar maps proves that very well.
Unjustified? Have you even seen the bullshit you see in 5+ star Skystar maps? (also I like keeping S.S. as StarStream, whose mapping I highly enjoy)

Husky wrote:

And 358 plays of Farmoro Koigoro?
Have you even considered that Primastella - Koigokoro was one of the first maps I've played? That's just a failed cherry-picking for an argument. Even my original post has a video of my no-mod run of that, now THAT took up the majority of the plays, DT may have been 30-40 plays tops for Delis' Insane and 10 plays tops for the other Insane.

Husky wrote:

Memorizing the map does not increase the skill.
Who said I memorized maps? That's just a baseless and factless statement

Husky wrote:

Remember kids, a constructive criticism is much more better than warm words of encouragement.
That wasn't constructive criticism at all, it was an evaluative statement that I took as a jab to my skills.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

It's not that people are saying you lack basics, DT is more than doable with basics. Rather, people are saying that all you have are basics, and they say that because you haven't shown anything exceptional other than speed. Some decent HR plays will remedy this.
I really am trying, the issue I have is that I haven't invested enough time to adjust to OD 10, and doing that while still learning AR 10 just makes it difficult, I might end up modding AR 9 maps to OD 10 just to figure it out first.

On a slightly separate note, I've been trying for 1 no-mod play, which is Dispel, but nerves seriously gets to me and I end up with 1 or 2 misses.
GoldenWolf

Husky wrote:

His unjustified hate for Skystar maps
How is it unjusified? It's a matter of tastes and opinions. What's wrong with that?

Husky wrote:

By playing DT he won't be Cookiezi. If he really aims into it, he really should train reading more, HR, HD, HDHR, nomod, precision, playing small CS, low ARs, high ARs and everything.
But he's doing just fine so far; focusing on one thing at a time. That seems to work for him so far so it's fine. There isn't one single way to improve on osu!. Keep that in mind.

Husky wrote:

Cookiezi hasn't got any weakness.
pls, wrong, speed was his weakness, and his accuracy wasn't top-tier for a long time too.

Husky wrote:

You have forgotten, the game consists on clicking circles into the rhytm of the song, not "Click as fast as possible".
And you may have forgotten that DT is clicking circles to the rhythm of the song faster, which is harder than nomod.
Tamako Lumisade
That wasn't constructive criticism at all, it was an evaluative statement that I took as a jab to my skills.
If you received it in that way, then my apologies.

Uncle "Good Advice" says, you just should sacrifice a month or a two on slower no-mod maps. Don't tell me, it's worthless. Even playing Skystar maps are worth a lot. If there's an obstacle, you have to kill it. Start with LOVING Skystar maps. You really have to LOVE them. LOVE them with all your body. Shut your weakness. That's the only way, if your road still leads to Cookiezi.

How is it unjusified? It's a matter of tastes and opinions. What's wrong with that?
Nothing though. But he wants to be the very best, right?

But he's doing just fine so far; focusing on one thing at a time. That seems to work for him so far so it's fine. There isn't one single way to improve on osu!. Keep that in mind.
I'm aware of that. Just I know a lot of players, who are 1-category mastah. I back what I've said - Woobie wants to be the best. no 1. It will be very rejecting, playing something else than what you already mastered.
nrl

Woobowiz wrote:

I really am trying, the issue I have is that I haven't invested enough time to adjust to OD 10, and doing that while still learning AR 10 just makes it difficult, I might end up modding AR 9 maps to OD 10 just to figure it out first.

On a slightly separate note, I've been trying for 1 no-mod play, which is Dispel, but nerves seriously gets to me and I end up with 1 or 2 misses.
I agree that taking on both OD10 and AR10 at the same time is tough, but you kind just have to forget about the bad plays and push through it. You won't start getting HR FCs for a while, even on easy maps, but that doesn't mean every play isn't worth something.

Also, don't focus on one map. There's no benefit in dropping hundreds of retries in one session, and at a handful a day you can grind dozens of tough maps. Every now and then you'll FC one of them.

GoldenWolf wrote:

And you may have forgotten that DT is clicking circles to the rhythm of the song faster, which is harder than nomod.
It's worth mentioning that the absolute nature of OD makes precise rhythm less important as tempo increases. Interpreting the rhythm is definitely a bear with DT, but playing along once you've done that isn't, provided you have the speed.
GoldenWolf

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

GoldenWolf wrote:

And you may have forgotten that DT is clicking circles to the rhythm of the song faster, which is harder than nomod.
It's worth mentioning that the absolute nature of OD makes precise rhythm less important as tempo increases. Interpreting the rhythm is definitely a bear with DT, but playing along once you've done that isn't, provided you have the speed.
Don't forget DT decreases the hit window, requiring you to be more accurate
silmarilen
playing DT still wont teach you to 99+ acc hr
nrl

GoldenWolf wrote:

Don't forget DT decreases the hit window, requiring you to be more accurate
If memory serves, it doesn't decrease the hit window as much as HR does (unless it pushes it past 10), and DTable maps generally have lower OD to start with.
GoldenWolf
It's true, but it still require you to be more accurate than people seem to think
nrl
Definitely, just not as accurate as an HR play at the same star rating. That was all I meant.
GoldenWolf
okay then
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

Definitely, just not as accurate as an HR play at the same star rating. That was all I meant.

GoldenWolf wrote:

okay then
As long as it doesn't end with flames and hatred I am okay with this awkward discussion :D
Topic Starter
Woobowiz
As soon as I stop getting distracted and hit 4k pp, I will train these aspects in this order.

  1. Finger Control (because a certain someone made me tilt/frustrated today)
  2. Hard Rock
  3. Low AR (I don't know why I have to, but some people want me to)
These should all train accuracy >_>
Cheese
Can someone explain to me how can speed be a thing? I really don't understand... Everybody can move their pen super fast like idk DT airman but they just cant hit the notes or have accuracy. So in the end yor speed is decided by your aim/reading/accuracy
nrl
Speed is the ability to do everything else faster. It isn't a thing on its own.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Cheese wrote:

Can someone explain to me how can speed be a thing? I really don't understand... Everybody can move their pen super fast like idk DT airman but they just cant hit the notes or have accuracy. So in the end yor speed is decided by your aim/reading/accuracy
Try not to think too much about the game there buddy. Especially with that HORRIBLY disgustingly bad example of DT Airman, like....what did I just read....

Alternatively, your Accuracy is decided by your aim (prevent miss)/speed(moving to the next note)/reading(knowing when to click).
You aim is decided by your reading/speed

What's you're point? Might as well make it a rhetorical question.
Cheese
Its the opposite. Speed is decided by aim. And whats wrong with DT Airman? my "are" point was just a question.
Topic Starter
Woobowiz

Cheese wrote:

Its the opposite. Speed is decided by aim. And whats wrong with DT Airman? And my "are" point was just a question.
Speed and Aim don't decide either of the other aspect, they are mutual properties that go hand-in-hand. They are literally intertwining properties; speed cannot exist without the influence of aim and vice versa

And the reason why your example was horrid is such : Mod Airman to AR 7/8 (depending on what AR you want to read it in) so it's at some manageable AR when you DT it, this will drastically reduce the reading difficulty (relative to AR 11). Now put on Relax (which removes the variable of accuracy).

Try to maintain a combo above 200 with that. I bet my ass you and a lot of people can't. The point I'm making is; if you're going to use an example, don't make it a completely ridiculous one. It sounds as naive and exaggerated as I was when I first made this thread (and to some degree, present day me)
nrl

NarrillNezzurh wrote:

Speed is the ability to do everything else faster. It isn't a thing on its own.
Enhu

Cheese wrote:

Can someone explain to me how can speed be a thing?
How Can Speed Be Real If Our Fingers Aren't Real
laref
Speed is not a thing. Sprinters have just not developed their track reading to beat Usain Bolt yet.
FlyingKebab
Technically if you click fast enough and you can move your mouse or tablets pen fast enough ( which you most certainly can ) it should be possible to get 600pp+ plays however, no one to this day decided to sacrifice that much of his life in order to do that which is a good thing.
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