Chamelo_Th wrote:

Mind sharing your target last night, everyone?

Scummy question. free kill for mafia

I should gather my thoughts in one post

VOTE: SNB

Talk

SNB is acting scummy again, better take precautionary measures

I still don't know if Sonatora is acting like a bad town, a total newbie, or a scum

second coming of BRBP

Sorry I was away this entire morning

Gumica hasn't said a lot which is making my suspicious

vote: Gumica

me*

Drezi I also can't say anything if you don't supply a reason I don't really know what to say.

beeboy123 wrote:

Gumica hasn't said a lot which is making my suspicious

vote: Gumica

wat





Gumica is dead

I know

I am beating a dead horse atm

(obvious lies)

vote: sona

only person who I can see potentially be scum at this moment in time (I suck don't judge me)

oh god I suck at this sorry for cancer ;-;

I believe Cham or Sona are the scum thoughts?

rip snb

poor snb getting silenced for lulz

requesting vote count

So we get a town modkill a dead scum and a dead towny, i guess we're pretty good atm, imma check CBot's interactions later coz i'm in a hurry.
Unvote
for the time being.

CalignoBot wrote:

CTs gets a town pass for now. Not all that convinced on it for too long as it is currently.
Gumica is pretty much dead null.
Sonatora gets a free null read until day 2 because I can't get any kind of read from anything he's saying at all.

Not liking this quote, if i take a guess i'd guess his scum partner is one of those 3, Gumica's out of the picture so my guess is CTs or Sonatora.

Apparently my predecessor targeted Sonatora N1, did anyone else target Sonatora?

Btw before we proceed with any sort of lynch we need to make a targetting circle, this is usually done in the order of the playerlist (target everyone below you, the last person targets the player at the top) for all night actions what do you guys think?

This would make it like this
Drezi > beeboy > CTs > Navizel > Sakura > Sonatora > Drezi

We could also do the reverse, either works.

wow 10/10 plan will follow

Changed my mind with the potential for 3 possible accidental deaths I don't like this

Yeah I know, that thing usually needs to happen N1
6 people alive with 1 scum that means currently we have 5 vs 1

Suppose mislynching and 3 deaths on town that'd be 1 v1 so not a good idea.

anyway
FoS: CTs
not voting yet until i hear if anyone else targeted Sonatora.

CBot breaks off by a vote on CTs at RVS.
Doesn't like the Sonatora Wagon.
Votes Drezi for -reasons-
Gives a town pass to CTs without mentioning him at all?!

bandwagon cts gogo

Vote: CTs

this is not an omgus vote

Chamelo_Th wrote:

Mind sharing your target last night, everyone?

seriously, who asks that

and if everyone answered of course he will know who is the nurse and the naive doctor.

This is pretty much like Dethy Mafia but with more people.
We don't know our sanity, and the target from last night might help us cut out some choices.

Sure, scum will make up their target or at least we can arrange the lynchee correctly.

lol giving zero fucks about me

I just heard a breeze

I am not going to vote anyone due to fear of mislynch

Navizel wrote:

lol giving zero fucks about me

I think my previous post explained why I want everyone to share their target.

No targets as I couldn't read the mafia and didn't want to kill myself or others

@mod: Let's say Frostings was nurse, will he show as "Frostings, Nurse, modkilled" or "Frostings, Town Doctor, modkilled"?

Also @mod - "Doctors who protect only stop a single nightkill from happening." and then
"'Protection': Each night phase, you may use a "protection" action on a player in the game. You're not exactly sure what you will do, though."

I'm confused. I'm slow to these kinds of things

Possible actions last night

Doctor protected another doctor or the other scum
Weak Doctor didn't do anything or targeted another doctor
CPR Doctor didn't do anything
Paranoid Doctor targeted someone who isn't the Quack Doctor meaning it can be the other scum
Quack Doctor killed a scum
Naive did nothing duh

We don't know what Frostings' role was but it doesn't really matter because if he's the nurse, nothing will change and if he's some doctor, the nurse will just replace him.

*CPR Doctor didn't do anything or he targeted CB who isn't protected

meaning CPR Doctor and Quack targeted CB is a possibility

Here I go again, not gathering my thoughts in a single post.

Ah, right. Townies can lie too, @Cth. Not only scums. We will not gain anything if all did that. Besides, it really is a stupid idea.

let's say
This guy didn't do anything - possibilities: naive, cpr, weak.
That guy targeted someone - possibilities: normal doctor, weak, cpr, paranoid, quack

Scum can just let the first one do whatever he wants since they're not going to be a bother for some time
People on the second one seems dangerous so scum is more likely to target them.

God, that is such a huge advantage for scum.

Cth is scum.

I really need to know who targeted who btw.

Before i can make some analysis. Imma check if some ppl already mentioned something tho...for now

Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora

Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > ???
CTh > ???
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > ???

Obviously one of the ???s must have targeted CBot, if you did you're conf town so better say so now.

Town can lie yes, but why?

Since the first Doctor was modkilled in the Day time, I reckon nurse will get the ability to protect, right?
I protected Navizel last night.

I targeted some guy last night

Cth, how much do you trust me? Like you're so sure I'm a townie so you protected me last night even though you voted me last day? I know it's a RVS but that's just suspicious for me

Nurse becomes the role of the first Doctor to die.

And since 2 roles kill, one prevents scum from making a nightkill, I wouldn't call it "protect", and should be better used on scumreads, unless we come up with a pattern that everyone agrees to.

I'm still thinking about it - going with a circle targeting method would mean that there's 2x 1/5 chance of killing the scum at night, so 36% chance to win the game right away, but 64% chance to kill two townies and since we're going in a circle noone is protected from doctor kills. That is if both killing Doctors are still alive, 4/6 chance (one death out of the 4 nonkilling docs, since nurse replaced the first death). 2/6 of the cases (one killing doc dead) we'd have 20% chance to win the game, 80% chance of killing a townie.

I don't think town is in a position that we need to take these chances of letting two towies die in exchange for a chance to win possibly faster, when we can make a plenty of lynches and pick proper night targets that are not blind guesses like this method.


One other thing I thought of - we'd unofficially vote one person (NL today), and he'd get targeted by everyone. Self target isn't possible probably, but that's not a problem, since if the jailkeeper is on the target he's safe anyway, if jail's dead or is the target than [norm cpr quack] any 2 of these being used means he's safe. So regardless of which doc we're missing (and possibly targeting) target is sure to stay alive, but we'll confirm him as scum or town, since no NK happens if the jailkeeper is still alive and he's scum, and even if it's the jailkeeper that we're missing, we'll still know if he's scum, since the weak doctor dies in addition to the NK. A scumcheck for free (target won't die if he's town) and scum can't deny the conf town because of the protections (unless Jailkeep is dead, or is the target). The only downside is that IF the jailkeeper is dead (1/6 chance) AND the weak doctor is the NK target (1/5 chance), than it'll look like the target is town even if he's scum. There's a 3,33% chance of this happening.

Well maybe I forgot to take something into account and this is completely useless, let me know what you think anyway.

Actually scum can't kill the target under any circumstances, since there's still the +1 protection of the weak doc to cover it.

Bah, scum could just choose not to NK anyone, to make it look like scum was jailed. But there's still the weak doctor dieing, unless he's the one we're missing (1/6 chance).

Navizel wrote:

Cth, how much do you trust me? Like you're so sure I'm a townie so you protected me last night even though you voted me last day? I know it's a RVS but that's just suspicious for me

I could be a Quack Doctor.
Yes, my target is completely random.

And you're not dead, so I'm not a Quack Doctor or the other Doctor protected you from me.

Yeah and we have no way to know if the weak doc died because we targeted scum and he chose not to Nk anyone (if jail dead), or it was a simple NK, so it's not gonna work, just ignore the second half of my post there.

I agree with drezi (unless I misunderstood) that doing a protecting everyone in a circle is a bad idea and the scum could also manipulate something.

For example: Drezi refuses to participate so scum kills the person drezi wanted to kill. Or scum does nothing and quack doctor (or whatever kills people) is the one the gets accused for being scum

Strategically protecting is probably the best option

What I mean is protect who we believe is being targeted, I am aware going in a circle is a strategy.

Why would you suggest that we protect whoever we think is town? If we lynch today and it's a mislynch the NK target is still only 1 of the remaining 5 people, and even if you get the target right, there's only a 4/6 chance of the protection working (weak, cpr, normal, jail doc)

If you target the scumread 1/6 that the NK is jailed, 2/6 that you kill him, those are better odds, than trying to guess the Nk target right, and hoping that you don't kill your townread.

Because many people would decide that not using there action is the best option thus lowering the chance of a townie dying for nothing.

Sakura wrote:

Sakura (SNB) > Sonatora
Drezi > beeboy
Navizel > ???
CTh > Navizel
Sonatora > ???
beeboy > ???

No the circle targeting isn't to try to kill the scum, is to find scum via action resolution.

But it doesn't declare how people died so the mafia can do nothing and just watch us kill ourselves

It depends really, when i finish getting all targets i'll show you why, but it's pretty much the same reason how you easily catch scum in Dethy.

And why haven't you said who you targeted yet.

To whom was the second part directed at?

beeboy123 wrote:

To whom was the second part directed at?

To you (unless I missed it somewhere)

Ya you did, too lazy to find it so I will type it out again.

I didn't want to commit suicide along with my inability to read who the scum would target so I did not target anyone.

@mod did nurse have sonas doctor powerz?

Why did you think predicting who scum would target was a priority during the night phase?
Why did you think it would be akin to commiting suicide?

frostyling whoever got mod killed

and I forgot bold

@mod Did nurse have powers last night?

Le facepalm.

Sakura wrote:

Why did you think predicting who scum would target was a priority during the night phase?

As a town doctor I could protect them or not die as the weak doctor.

Sakura wrote:

Why did you think it would be akin to commiting suicide?

Quack doctor fell under the category of commuting suicide as it is an accidental town death (bad word choice)

Weak doctor kills themselves.

A long with some other bad things that I didn't think about until now.

beeboy123 wrote:

and I forgot bold

@mod Did nurse have powers last night?

A doctor died (even if it was a modkill), so the nurse inherired a power.

So unless there are other overly paranoid doctors we should all have targets

by paranoid I mean careful

So no one else?...

I like pringles

my vote still remains

Cth>Sontatora>Sakura>beeboy>Drezi

Now I'm getting suspicious of Navizel, there's no reason to hold out their target...

It's bad to not vote my scumread? what

I've been asking who you targeted last night, that's all (Question also goes to Sonatora but he/she hasn't even been around so much he/she got prodded)

drezi

what good would that bring anyway

Lots of good believe it or not, now i'm just waiting for Sonotora.

While you're around any particular reason why you went for Drezi?

Now updated!

I don't get beeboy and Sonatora. they probably won't be killed by scums due to their playstyle
I feel CTh and CB are scum
Gumica SNB null

I'm back from the dead


anyways, the current flow of the discussion led me to a bad hypothesis


Vote: Cth

You feel that I'm scum.
Okay, so your vote is based on your feeling, right.

And dat Sonatora sheep...

It feels like you're the scum. Asking suspicious questions at the first minutes of day 1. Why wouldn't I suspect you?


But remember, It's just my intuition. Dont take it seriously. I need information

On other news, I heard that there's another playstyle that involves mafia blending with twon and negating all thoughts


My intuition is saying something

*town

Chamelo_Th wrote:

You feel that I'm scum.
Okay, so your vote is based on your feeling, right.

I thought it was obvious but whatever. They are my thoughts last night, not today.

Did you mean: Day 2?

And gut feeling, yeah, gut feeling.


Who did you protected last night?

And my previous post meant for Sonatora.

Here's my list


Cth : Intuition-san is teing me that you're the scum.
Sakura :Still leeching me for info
Navizel : Town, for now
beeboy : Aggressive town, but there's no lead that this guys a mafia. Null town

Sonatora wrote:

Sakura :Still leeching me for info

As is CTs, and I'd like you to answer too, since we're only missing your target, I see no reason not to cooperate with Sakura at this point.

Oh, my target last night? It was Navizel. Anything else?

Now that's a hard resolving pattern. :v

Ok so we have

That means Gumica was CPR/Quack doctor and it was him who killed CBot since noone targeted him, and Gumica was killed by scum (not the other kill capable doc or being weak doc), since noone targeted Gumica and CBot wouldn't have died if he was weak doc.

So what people CAN'T be are:
Sakura: CPR/Quack (since noone else targeted Sonatora who could have saved him)
Drezi: none, but since there's only one killing role left it's not probable that I have it and Navi is the Jailer at the same time.
Navi: none, being a killing role is a bit more probable, since two people could have jailed him.
CTh: none, being protective or killing is a lot more probable, since Navi was targeted by two people so either 2 nonkilling or 1 killing 1 protective among them.
Sonatora: same as CTh.

So what we can figure of this for sure is that we should have Sakura protect a townread, that she feels would get NK-d.